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Fifth Circuit Holds That People Who Use Marijuana Don't Lose Second Amendment Rights (At Least When Sober)
Title 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(3) bans gun possession by anyone "who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance," including marijuana; the ban applies not just while a person is intoxicated, but also while the person is sober. Today's decision in U.S. v. Daniels, written by Judge Jerry Smith and joined by Judges Stephen Higginson and Don Willett, holds that this violates the Second Amendment:
Just as there was no historical justification for disarming a citizen of sound mind, there is no tradition that supports disarming a sober citizen who is not currently under an impairing influence. Indeed, it is helpful to compare the tradition surrounding the insane and the tradition surrounding the intoxicated side-by-side. The Founders purportedly institutionalized the insane and stripped them of their guns; but they allowed alcoholics to possess firearms while sober. We must ask, in Bruen-style analogical reasoning, which is Daniels more like: a categorically "insane" person? Or a repeat alcohol user? Given his periodic marihuana usage, Daniels is firmly in the latter camp. If and when Daniels uses marihuana, he may be comparable to a mentally ill individual whom the Founders would have disarmed. But while sober, he is like the repeat alcohol user in between periods of drunkenness….
[T]here is a considerable difference between someone who is actively intoxicated and someone who is an "unlawful user" under § 922(g)(3). The statutory term "unlawful user" captures regular users of marihuana, but its temporal nexus is vague—it does not specify how recently an individual must "use" drugs to qualify for the prohibition. Daniels himself admitted to smoking marihuana fourteen days a month, but we do not know how much he used at those times, and the government presented no evidence that Daniels was intoxicated at the time he was found with a gun. Indeed, under the government's reasoning, Congress could ban gun possession by anyone who has multiple alcoholic drinks a week from possessing guns based on the postbellum intoxicated carry laws. The analogical reasoning Bruen prescribed cannot stretch that far….
The government suggests that, in the spirit of the drafts of the Second Amendment and the Militia Act, marihuana users threaten the public "peace." But at the time of the Founding, that notion referred specifically to violence or rebellion, not generalized public harm. And § 922(g)(3) is not limited to those with a history of violent behavior—not all members of the set of "drug users" are violent. As applied in this case, the government has not shown how Daniels's marihuana use predisposes him to armed conflict or that he has a history of drug-related violence.
Furthermore, even as the Founders were disarming Catholics and politically disaffected citizens, they left ordinary drunkards unregulated. The government has no meaningful response to the fact that neither Congress nor the states disarmed alcoholics, the group most closely analogous to marihuana users in the 18th and 19th centuries. As with the government's analogy to mental illness, we must ask: Which are marihuana users more like: British Loyalists during the Revolution? Or repeat alcohol users? The answer is surely the latter.
The government asks us to set aside the particulars of the historical record and defer to Congress's modern-day judgment that Daniels is presumptively dangerous because he smokes marihuana multiple times a month. But that is the kind of toothless rational basis review that Bruen proscribes. Absent a comparable regulatory tradition in either the 18th or 19th century, § 922(g)(3) fails constitutional muster under the Second Amendment….
We conclude only by emphasizing the narrowness of that holding. We do not invalidate the statute in all its applications, but, importantly, only as applied to Daniels. Nor do we suggest that a robust Second Amendment is incompatible with other reasonable gun regulations. Such statutes just need to be consonant with the limits the Founding generation understood to be permissible when they ratified the Second Amendment. The government has failed to demonstrate that here….
The Supreme Court's forthcoming decision in U.S. v. Rahimi, where the Fifth Circuit had struck down the federal ban on gun possession by people who are under certain kinds of domestic violence restraining orders, will likely affect the result in this case as well. Judge Higginson's concurrence so notes; an excerpt:
In granting certiorari in Rahimi, the Supreme Court likely will resolve some of [the questions raised by recent Second Amendment disputes -EV]. Of course, in the meantime, it is our job as an inferior court to apply the Supreme Court's mandates and aid the development of this field of law. But the uncertainty and upheaval resulting from best efforts to apply Bruen now extend far beyond our dockets. Myriad and obvious public safety laws, some over a century old, face inconsistent invalidation. The impact of these challenges, outside of the evident yet indescribable tragedies of victims of gun violence, will fall heavily on states, which exercise most police power and must assure public safety. See Teter v. Lopez, No. 20-15948, 2023 WL 5008203 (9th Cir. Aug. 7, 2023) (striking down Hawaii's ban on butterfly knives as unconstitutional under Bruen). Already, as courts work through the impact of Bruen, defendants guilty of a gun crime in one jurisdiction are presently innocent of it in another.
I cannot help but fear that, absent some reconciliation of the Second Amendment's several values, any further reductionism of Bruen will mean systematic, albeit inconsistent, judicial dismantling of the laws that have served to protect our country for generations. Furthermore, such decisions will constrain the ability of our state and federal political branches to address gun violence across the country, which every day cuts short the lives of our citizens. This state of affairs will be nothing less than a Second Amendment caricature, a right turned inside out, against freedom and security in our State.
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Hey, here's a gun statute I think is totally unconstitutional. Seriously.
I think you could have a narrower statute on possessing a gun while intoxicated (and certainly one on using while intoxicated). But this statute as written violates at least two amendments- the Second, because it infringes the RKBA, and the Eighth, because it punishes a status of being an addict.
Go Fifth Circuit!
I agree with the 5th Cir as well; there’s not much of a case for flat-out firearms prohibition for occasional cannabis users under current 2d Amd jurisprudence. “Dope fiends are always lib-y-ruls” is so Nixon/Hoover….
But I’m curious how pro-gun, ostensibly “law-n-order” folks will react when the same argument is applied to someone who is an occasional user of mushrooms, or LSD, or cocaine, or heroin/fentanyl, or methamphetamine, etc.
OK, what about someone who is a *prescribed* user of methamphetamine? Or at least amphetamines, which are commonly prescribed for ADHD (Adderall) and for narcolepsy and a few other things?
NB: I've actually seen suggestions to prescribe methamphetamine in the literature which strikes me as rather dangerous as there are some serious chemical differences between the two.
Methamphetamine is legal by prescription and ADHD is an on label medicine. There is an age limit, it isn't for children less than age 6. Listed in Federal Schedule II, brand name Desoxyn among others.
https://www.goodrx.com/methamphetamine/what-is
Disagree.
The question isn't one of addiction or marijuana use. The question is one of whether an individual is a law-abiding individual.
Those individuals who consciously, continuously, decide to break the law, may lose certain rights. Marijuana use is illegal. Perhaps these individuals who break the law simply don't care about the law. If they don't care about the law in one respect, perhaps they won't care about the law in other respects.
We should in differentiate between those individuals who may have broken the law in the past, and express remorse for doing so. But for those individuals who break the law currently, and continue to intend breaking the law? I fail to see why they should be considered "law abiding" individuals.
Sounds like you're describing Hunter Biden. When do you think he will violate the conditions of his release?
What are the conditions of Hunter Biden's release? He is charged by criminal information with misdemeanor tax offenses, as to which he has not been taken into custody. He has not been charged with a firearms offense, and the court has not yet approved a proposed conditional diversion agreement. What "conditions of his release" presently apply?
HUNTER IS REQUIRED TO:
1) NOT possess a firearm
2) NOT use or possess any controlled substances (including marijuana) unless prescribed
3) Submit to full federal supervision
4) NO use of alcohol AT ALL
5) Seek active employment
6) Submit to testing for prohibited substances
7) Participate in substance abuse therapy
PENALTIES FOR VIOLATING COULD INCLUDE:
1) Immediate issuance of an arrest warrant
2) Revocation of release
3) Forfeiture of bond
4) Prosecution for contempt of court
This was taken from the linked article which also shows the form.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/judge-sets-conditions-release-hunter-biden-orders-him/
By this reasoning, people could be deprived of the right to bear arms for littering, speeding, or watching DVDs under Linux.
"Three Felonies a Day" is somewhat exaggerated, but it's not so exaggerated that everyone hasn't already become a lawbreaker.
Of course you'd disagree.
You don't care that the current Schedule I classification is a blatant lie perpetuated for decades, and it clearly doesn't mean anything to you that the majority of those you consider to be law-breakers are abiding by State law.
People who broke the law existed at the time of the Founding. Despite that, the wording of the Second Amendment was pretty absolute. To the examples above, being drunk in public was also illegal and represented a decision to break the law. Yet weapons were not unilaterally prohibited from those lawbreakers.
Likewise, people who speed are regularly breaking the law yet even under the most extreme gun law interpretations, no one thinks denying them gun rights would be constitutional.
Constitutional protections apply to the non-law abiding too. The rationale for disarming certain felons is that they are dangerous. The RKBA is not limited to the "law abiding" outside of potential danger, unless you're willing to also declare that people with non-violent felonies lose their right to freely practice their religion, their right to free speech, and their right to sodomize their "husbands."
The question is whether Congress and the Supreme Court are law-abiding.
MJ is interstate commerce merely by a 5-4 vote.
And there's a multilateral drug treaty against MJ (and other drugs), which I suppose Congress can enforce per Missouri v. Holland, making dope smokers into offenders against the majesty of the United Nations.
Biden could pull out of that treaty at will, and propose to re-ratify it *minus* the MJ, just as Bolivia pulled out and then re-ratified minus the coca-leaf chewing.
But without state aid in enforcing that treaty, we open ourselves to scolding from our moral superiors at the UN.
"Those individuals who consciously, continuously, decide to break the law, may lose certain rights."
The way that happens is by those individuals being prosecuted and convicted of crimes. That's not the way the drug user prohibition in current federal gun control laws works. If that was how it worked there would have been no need to add drug users as a separate prohibited class.
This is at least the 3rd time this 4473 question has been shot down in fed court, the other two I'm aware of were both out of the 10th circuit. About 1 yr ago in UT (U.S. v. Morales-Lopez) district court, and about 6 mo ago, out of OK (U.S. v. Harrison). I am not aware if either case was appealed.
Also curious how broadly “possession” will be interpreted if/when Daniels or another person sparks up a joint on the back porch on a Friday night, with a firearm safely locked away in a basement gun safe.
There’s huge amounts of precedent that he would be in constructive possession even if the gun isn’t on his person (it’s in the residence, knows how to access and control, etc.). But we wouldn’t arrest an alcohol user if their gun is locked away in a safe while they swill a Bud Light. Do we also have to rejigger the bounds of “possession” to comport with the 2d Amd?
Bud Light is a tasteless “alcohol delivery system” (to use ATF terms) used by people who hate the taste of beer and merely wish to get a cheap alcohol buzz going.
How I rue the passing of Pete’s Wicked Ale. I drove across a state line to get my last Pete's Wicked Ale.
Does textualism or originalism argue for the spelling of 'marihuana'? Is that the wording of the statute? I think that when I was in the middle school health and sex class, ca. 1964, it was spelled with an H, but all the lingo, such as 'joint' or 'mary jane' have long used the J.
The word is Spanish, and in Spanish the “j” sounds more like a “h” in English. There are claims the word was popularized over “cannabis” by Harry J. Anslinger in the 1930s, during his campaigns against the drug, to make it sound “foreign” and therefore dangerous. But a quick goog indicates the “j” and “h” variants were both in use prior to that.
'Cannabis' is scary enough. It makes me think of cannibalism. But this is originally just hemp, isn't it? But we give it Latin names or Mexican names to make it suspicious.
The proper Spanish spelling is with an "h." The first U.S. references from before 1920 also spelled it "maraguana," "mariguana," "marahuana." The first "j" spelling I'm aware of occurred in the LA Times in November, 1923.
"j" as in German "ja" (yes)
Probably won't surprise any of the "Conspirators" that I'm a daily partaker of the "Wacky Tobacky" (HT Junior High PE Coach)
AKA "Marriage-a-Juan-a" (HT High School PE Coach)
OK, yes, I originally just enjoyed getting Stoned to the Be-Jesus Belt (HT C. Spackler) but eventually got the Glaucoma, so now I get stoned legally, (for the most part) and even with the Chinese Eyes, got the 20/20 vision
Frank "Dave's not here (man)"
We’ve got a pool and a pond… pond would be good for you
Good.
Opinion seems correct. No notes.
"The Founders purportedly institutionalized the insane and stripped them of their guns; "
Purportedly? Is this disputed?
purportedly "as appears or is stated to be true, though not necessarily so; allegedly"
Maybe the stater is not sure about the actual founding era law.
"any further reductionism of Bruen will mean systematic, albeit inconsistent, judicial dismantling of the laws that have served to protect our country for generations."
Hogwash.
This statement betrays Higginson's true motive here: Follow Bruen so closely to the letter (adding this sort of pejorative commentary along the way) that the outcome will be perceived as absurd by "normal people," resulting in its overturning, sooner rather than later.
Gun control makes nobody safer. Anyone willing to use a gun to murder someone does not care in the least whether they are breaking one law, or two, or a dozen.
It seems to me that judges such as Stephen Higginson and District Judge Carlton Reeves of Mississippi are applying the maxim, “You break it; you own it” to N.Y. State Rifle & Pistol Ass’n v. Bruen, 597 U.S. ___, 142 S.Ct. 2111 (2022).
The reasoning of Bruen is unvarnished, result oriented drivel. It is unlikely that SCOTUS granted cert in United States v. Rahimi, 61 F.4th 443 (5th Cir. 2023), just to affirm the Fifth Circuit. Let’s hope we get some clarification of the trainwreck that is Bruen.
In case you missed it, I answered your question about the terms of Hunter's release above.
Except Bruen didn't "break" anything. Bruen RESTORED the Second Amendment back to what the Constitution demands of ALL it's enumerated rights.
It had been the decades of activist "justices" that had broken the Second Amendment, as Thomas often said, relegating it to some sort of second class b****** step-child status. Bruen FINALLY fixed THAT.
"Gun control makes nobody safer."
Out right prohibition of alcohol made us safer from alcohol violence.
The Marihuana Tax Act saved us from the violence of Reefer Madness.
The Comic Book Codes imposed in the 1950s ended the Seduction of the Innocents into juvenile delinquency and homosexuality.
How can you deny the success of Malum Prohibitum laws aimed at things in stopping acts that are Malum Se committed by people?
(Where did I leave my [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] tags?)
re: the concurrence's "the [gun] laws that have served to protect our country for generations"
Are we allowed to say to the judge "Objection, assumes facts not in evidence"?
Like.
From an originalist standpoint, the real problem with depriving pot users of their 2nd amendment rights is the very existence of federal drug laws in the first place. There's simply no constitutional basis for them, and that was clearly understood well into the early 20th century.
For instance, the Harrison Narcotics Act of 1914 was enacted as a TAX law. All the regulations on the drugs were justified on the pretext that they were simply necessary and proper to collect the tax. (Yes, this was the inspiration for the National Firearms Act that followed.) Why did they do this?
Because Congress had no free standing authority to ban stuff, that's why. They knew that, and admitted it, and worked around it by enacting punitive taxes, instead.
....
But, yes, in regards to state drug laws, you'd be hard put to justify deprivation of 2nd amendment rights for drug use under the Bruen test. However, given the intersection of "But, Drugs!" and "But, Guns!", I expect the Court to try to square that circle anyway.
Under current law, if you possess a gun and use marihuana you are barred for life from owning a gun (unless you can get a Presidential pardon and luck with that ha.)
Under Foundaton Era law, if you were intoxicated you were barred from carry or use a gun until you sobered up.
They are not equivalent.
Reuters is reporting, paywalled, that a judge has ruled Hawaii cannot prohibit carry at the beach. https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/hawaii-firearms-beaches-states-latest-gun-control-law-101757973 has some background.
https://thereload.com/federal-judge-blocks-enforcement-of-hawaii-gun-free-zones/
So where did the reading of "user" as "habitual user" or "has used" come from, rather than the straightforward "is currently using"?