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Expert Witness Redux in California
State tries to bar Stanford researchers from testifying against it
An interesting new expert witness controversy has broken out; this time in California. You will recall the Florida fiasco recounted here and here and here.
A group of parents are suing the state over the learning losses that that the state's pandemic response imposed on children. Plaintiff attorneys recruited expert witnesses from Stanford University to support their case. The California education department claims that the researchers signed an agreement to not testify against the state as a condition of accessing the state's data on k-12 schools during the pandemic. The prohibition, the state argues, extends to any testimony against the state, even when that testimony does not rely on the state's own data.
From the state's letter to one of the researchers:
This letter is to remind you of your obligations as the CDE's authorized representative performing research for and on behalf of the CDE. As CDE's authorized representative, in both paragraph 16 of the Agreement and paragraph 6 of the confidentiality provisions in Exhibit D, you agreed that you would not "testify, advise or consult" for any party other than the CDE or the State Board of Education. This prohibits any work for Plaintiffs in Cayla J.
The ACLU is now involved, arguing that any such provision in the data access agreement would amount to an unconstitutional condition.
From the ACLU letter to the California Department of Education:
The contract condition at issue is viewpoint discriminatory. LPI's contract with CDE specifies that, for the duration of the agreement, "LPI's employees, executives, and other representatives shall not voluntarily testify for, consult with, or advise a party in conjunction with any mediation, arbitration, litigation, or other similar proceeding" where the LPI-associated individual "knows that the party is adverse to CDE, the State Superintendent of Public Instruction or the State Board of Education." There is no similar restriction on an LPI-associated individual's ability to testify, advise, or consult in a proceeding on behalf of CDE. Indeed, the contract clearly permits testifying as an expert for the CDE or other state agencies. CDE may only terminate the contract and impose penalties if a contractor testifies for or advises parties who hold interests adverse to it or other listed state educational entities.
Therefore, the provisions keep out of court, mediation, arbitration, or other similar proceedings viewpoints and opinions that might harm CDE's and other state government entities' interests in litigation, while allowing viewpoints and opinions that would serve the government's interests and positions. Moreover, by preventing individuals associated with LPI from even advising or consulting with a party adverse to the government in the listed circumstances, these provisions hamper the ability of the adverse party to assess information, data, or research on its own. Therefore, the provisions do what the Court in R.A.V. expressly prohibited by "proscribing only [speech] critical of the government." R.A.V., supra, 505 U.S. at 384.1
If the government were to try to institute this restriction on its own, outside of the context of a contract, it would be clear unconstitutional viewpoint discrimination. It may not achieve the same result by conditioning a benefit on a provision that has the effect of preventing experts from testifying against the state. See Perry, 408 U.S. at 597.
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There's nothing that liberals hate more than the truth.
I am surprised that the ACLU is on the right side here.
"A group of parents are suing the state over the learning losses that that the state's pandemic response imposed on children. Plaintiff attorneys recruited expert witnesses from Stanford University to support their case. "
Wonder if David N remembers his claim that the lockdowns / school closures/remote learning did not impair childrens learning during covid
I am the only David N that I am aware of around here, and I do not fact remember making any such claim. Please provide pointer to that statement; if you find an instance of me actually saying that, I will admit that I was wrong.
David N you made the statement multiple times that there was little or nor negative impact from the school shut downs or remote learning.
You also made the statement multiple times that the vaccines effectiveness did not wane after 6 months when I pointed out the studies from israel showed significant declines from the studies that emerged in august of 2021.
Data that was fairly well established when I made posted the decline in vax effectiveness and the detriment to learning in the zoom/ remote learning environment.
Please give us dates and specific comments. I’m more than willing to believe that David N said foolish misguided things, but not without evidence.
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David N's denied and/or disputed the waning of the Vax effectiveness multiple times in the august 2021-Oct 2021 time frame when the Israeli study came out. Most informed individuals were well aware of the short time period for the effectiveness of the vax by the fall of 2021.
The harm done to children in especially in learning , and other developmental skills was well known by the fall of 2020. Yet David N disputed what was well known most every time I mentioned the issue starting as the spring of 2021.
compare:
https://reason.com/volokh/2023/07/18/first-amendment-claim-of-professor-fired-over-article-claiming-race-based-genetic-iq-differences/
I am having trouble seeing the issue for academic freedom. Expert testimony and consulting is not part of the academic work, it is side jobs. The provision does not bar research or limit conclusions from the research, and, I think, does not limit publication.
The core constitutional problems are summed up in the last paragraph of the quoted material.
I think the brief illustrates why attempting to fit academic freedom into standard general First Amendment categories results in a Procrustean bed.
It seems to me that consulting contracts of any kind are always non-viewpoint neutral. If you sign a contract to obtain a report on (say) dam safety, the First Anendment doesn’t entitle you to choose to provide a report about your pet dog instead. The person paying you the money is entitled not just to obtain but to limit your speech in exchange for it. So it seems to me that an argument that consulting contracts have to be viewpoint-neutral in general is necessarily a dead letter.
It seems to me that unless academic freedom is explicitly recognized as its own thing, academics can be subjected to the sorts of constraints on their speech that any other employee or contractor is subjected to by an employer or contractee. For everybody else, if you take The Man’s money, you work for The Man, and you’d better toe The Man’s line.
And as noted in a comment on a previous post, a potential obstacle to recognizing academic freedom as its own First Amendment category is a refusal by the courts in recent decades to recognize other special institutions as entitled to special protections, including marriage (Eisenstadt v. Baird) and journalists.
If it is solely the individual, whether connected to an institution or not, in whom all freedom solely lies, as Eisenstadt proudly proclaimed, then institutionally-connected freedom claims have a tough row to hoe. Like journalists, academics could also lose big as a result of this rethinking.
Other that the heading, "academic freedom" on the post, I'm not seeing any reference to this as an academic freedom issue.
It sounds like a generic first amendment issue. I don't see why any government contractors could be prevented from testifying against the state as a condition of getting a contract.
Not surprising. Government contracts and agreements are rife with unconditional conditions.
My question about unconstitutional conditions has always been... what to do about them on when used on a smaller scale?
Large cities, state departments, universities, etc. often have the resources, publicity, and knowledge to fight these types of clauses. From my experience; however, it is the small towns and local agencies that most often have and weaponize them.
My personal experience: Animal shelters in my state love to put "no bad PR/don't say bad things about us" clauses in things like their adoption contracts and rescue group agreements. Then, when a rescue or adopter goes on social media and talks about the bad condition of the shelter/animals, potential abuse and/or neglect, or bad sanitation/quarantine practices, etc. it is not uncommon for a C&D letter from the city or county attorney to get sent out.
Since most folks are completely ignorant of the laws, they get away with it. It is very wide spread. The only time you ever see it challenged is when a large city shelter tries to slip it in; the power players often get it shot it down right quick.
When I worked in social services, they were wide spread and pervasive in all manner of small town/rural county contracts too
Most of the time, even when the people do know better, they just grin and bear it. Being in it for the children, the animals, the poor, etc., they don't want to risk the ire of an agency or bureaucrat which could become an obstacle to their mission.
Florida professor should be able to testify claiming masks work
However, the studies showing the masks work have nearly all been discredited. Its not going to help his professional reputation testifying based on discredited studies.
See the cochran review
See Mask mandates and COVID-19: A Re-analysis of the Boston school mask study
Tracy Beth Høeg, MD, PhD1,2† Ambarish Chandra, PhD3† Ram Duriseti, MD, PhD4 Shamez
Ladhani, MRCPH, PhD5,6 and Vinay Prasad, MD, MPH1
It's not a left-right thing. It's a bureucratic CYA thing.
The notion that a public body should restrict access to its data by barring those who have access from testifying against it is obnoxious to any standards of public accountability.
I gave you citations - As compelling the myth of the effectiveness of masking, you should not let your ideology forbid you from making an honest evaluation of the factual evidence.
The factual evidence is extensively documented - assuming you are willing to honestly evaluate the evidence
Yes, but bureaucracies are disproportionately liberal, as liberals are stupid and incapable of doing anything useful.
Maybe you should strive to be more of a polymath.
I gave you two - learn arithmetic - most kids learn it the 1st grade
I am. So what?
Why what? Why do you think my argument in the CRT threads applies to the contract provisions here? (Which are much broader than you're claiming, btw.)
Again, why would my argument in the CRT threads apply here?
What do analogies have to do with do with anything?
And it's you who struggles with analogies.
And if you have an argument that my position in the CRT threads contradicts my position in this thread, feel free to make it instead of wasting time with these ticky-tack comments.
Sigh. Pointing out that I take one position on one issue and a different position on a different issue isn't an argument. (Or an analogy.)
As I said, if you have an argument that my position in the CRT threads conflicts my position here, please make it.
I mean, do you think I go thought the trouble to spell out my argument in the CRT threads for no reason?
Huh? I've supported the argument of the ACLU in this thread (that the provisions in the contracts against testifying are unconstitutional conditions). I've made arguments in the CRT threads applicable to the topics being discussed there.
You have no argument that anything I've said in those threads is inconsistent with what I've said here, so I'm not sure what argument you're expecting me to make.
"The most pathetic thing in your comment is one issue is different than another!"
You find facts pathetic? Typical leftist.
Queenie is not saying something. Queenie is saying that *you're* saying something, and Queenie isn't saying what that is.
So I think Queenie is just saying, "I'm just saying."
(Don't waste your time, TIP. Nothing here.)
City/town and county shelters.
Private shelters can pretty much do what they like.
Queen -
"It would be accurate to say that the review examined whether interventions to promote mask wearing help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses, and that the results were inconclusive."
that is pretty much an admission that the masks didnt work at the individual level. Had Masks worked at the individual level, then there would have been positive results at the general population level.