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What The Trump Indictment Left Out
Special Counsel Smith avoided charges of insurrection, seditious conspiracy, and incitement.
I have now had a chance to read the entire 45-page indictment in United States v. Donald J. Trump. Much of this information has been published in drips and drabs over the past two years. But reading through the entire chronology, from start to finish, was a very different experience.
Here, I would like to highlight what Special Counsel Jack Smith left out.
The most significant omission was that Trump was not indicted for insurrection, 18 U.S.C. § 2383. This decision was not particularly surprising, since none of the January 6 defendants have been charged with insurrection. Stuart Rhodes and the Proud Boys were convicted of seditious conspiracy. Federal prosecutions for insurrection are extremely rare, and there were many open questions about how to obtain a conviction.
The decision not to seek an indictment for insurrection has several immediate consequences. First, the punishment for violating Section 2383 includes being "incapable of holding any office under the United States." Seth Barrett Tillman and I wrote in early 2020 that even if Trump were convicted of violating this statute, he could not be disqualified from serving a second term as President. Now that Smith has not indicted Trump for violating this statute, we will not need to decide the scope of Section 2383.
Second, if Smith had indicted Trump for violating Section 2383, he would have had to lay out in a systematic fashion why Trump's conduct amounted to insurrection. Regardless of whether Trump was convicted of violating that statute, state election boards could have relied on that indictment as the predicate to disqualify Trump. In other words, there would have been a common nucleus of operating facts for a Section 3 claim against Trump. Smith's indictment could have been copied-and-pasted nationwide. But we do not have those facts. Indeed, based on my quick read, the word "insurrection" appears nowhere in the statute.
Third, what lessons should we draw from the fact that Smith did not indict Trump for insurrection? In some legal circles, advocates contend that it is so obvious that Trump committed insurrection. Yet, the special counsel, after studying the issue for months, opted not to bring that charge. Why? Perhaps Smith determined that he could not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump engaged in insurrection. Or maybe Smith determined there were considerable legal questions about how to obtain such a conviction--most critically, was there an actual insurrection? (Yes, for the Supreme Court to knock Trump off the ballot, you need five votes to say that there was an insurrection as a matter of law--good luck with that!) Perhaps Smith engaged in a political calculus, and determined that he didn't need to wade into murky insurrection waters. There were so many other ways to obtain a conviction. Indeed, I speculated that Smith's decision to avoid "distracting fights" would counsel against bringing a Section 2383 charge. Ultimately, we don't know why Smith brought the charges he did. Everyone who is gung-ho on disqualifying Trump for insurrection should hesitate. But they won't, of course. They'll say that a criminal prosecution, with the full panoply of due process, requires a much higher burden of proof than a civil disqualification proceeding. Section 3 is the new Emoluments Clause.
Now, let's flash back to January 13, 2021. The House of Representatives adopted one article of impeachment:"incitement of insurrection." The precise contours were left deliberately vague, but it embraced both claims of insurrection and incitement. Once again, the fact that Smith chose not to indict Trump for insurrection casts at least some doubt on the decision to impeach Trump for insurrection. Of course, the counter argument is that the burden of proof with an impeachment is lower, there are no due process protections, and impeachment can be a political process. We hashed out all those arguments in 2021. But would about incitement? Why didn't Smith charge Trump with inciting violence?
If you read through the indictment, there are many allegations that seem perfectly suited for an incitement charge. Here is a sampling:
When that failed, the Defendant attempted to use a crowd of supporters that he had gathered in Washington, D.C., to pressure the Vice President to fraudulently alter the election results.
On December 19, 2020, after cultivating widespread anger and resentment for weeks with his knowingly false claims of election fraud, the Defendant urged his supporters to travel to Washington on the day of the certification proceeding, tweeting, "Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!" Throughout late December, he repeatedly urged his supporters to come to Washington for January 6.
Within hours of the conversation [on January 1], the Defendant reminded his supporters to meet in Washington before the certification proceeding, tweeting, "The BIG Protest Rally in Washington, D.C., will take place at 11.00 A.M. on January 6th. Locational details to follow. StopTheSteal!"
That same day [January 5], the Defendant encouraged supporters to travel to Washington on January 6, and he set the false expectation that the Vice President had the authority to and might use his ceremonial role at the certification proceeding to reverse the election outcome in the Defendant's favor, including issuing the following Tweet . . . .
On January 6, starting in the early morning hours, the Defendant again turned to knowingly false statements aimed at pressuring the Vice President to fraudulently alter the election outcome, and raised publicly the false expectation that the President might do so . . . .
[On January 6 at 11:56 a.m.] The Defendant repeated false claims of election fraud, gave false hope that the Vice President might change the election outcome, and directed the crowd in front of him to go to the Capitol as a means to obstruct the certification and pressure the Vice President to obstruct the certification.
Finally, after exhorting that "we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore," the Defendant directed the people in front of him to head to the Capitol, suggested he was going with them, and told them to give Members of Congress "the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country."
During and after the Defendant's remarks, thousand of people marched toward the Capitol.
Judge Mehta, in a detailed opinion, refused to dismiss the civil incitement lawsuits against Trump. Mehta also dealt with all of the First Amendment concerns that I (and others) raised during Trump's impeachment trial. Right or wrong, Smith could have relied on Mehta's First Amendment analysis to indict Trump for criminal incitement. But Smith didn't? Why? Maybe he thought the First Amendment analysis would not hold up on appeal to the Supreme Court. Maybe he thought that he may not be able to obtain a criminal conviction with proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Or Smith worried that criminalizing what was, to some at least, a political rally, was too risky. I'll pose a question I raised earlier: if the special counsel declined to bring an incitement charge, was this the right charge to bring in a court of impeachment? Same caveats as earlier.
Finally, six facts in particular were left out: the names of six un-indicted co-conspirators. The Washington Post speculates that Rudy Giuliani was #1, John Eastman was #2, Sidney Powell was #3, Jeff Clark was #4, Kenneth Chesebro was #5, and #6 remains unknown. Each of these five (six) individuals faces considerable legal exposure, and may still be indicted. We will see if they testify against Trump to avoid prosecution. There are also a number of lawyers mentioned throughout the report that worked in the Department of Justice and in Trump's orbit that have exposure. Smith is not done here.
I'll have much more to say about the prosecution in due course. These are only my preliminary thoughts.
Update: In the New York Times, Ryan Goodman and Andrew Weissmann opine on Smith not bringing an insurrection charge:
Although the Jan. 6 select committee referred Mr. Trump for investigation for inciting an insurrection, Mr. Smith wisely demurred. The Justice Department has not charged that offense in any other case involving the attack on the Capitol, and insurrection has not been charged since the 19th century. Of course, no president has engaged in it since then — but since no one else has been charged with that crime relating to Jan. 6, it likely would have been an issue. And since the penalty for the insurrection offense is that the defendant would not be eligible to hold federal office, it would have fueled a claim of weaponizing the Justice Department to defeat a political rival.
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You know you’re allowed to actually reflect on these things before you post about them right? You can even bother to learn about the topic too, if you really want to go nuts.
Turley's take:
"Smith railed against the January 6th riot and made it sound like he was indicting Trump on incitement. He didn't. The disconnect was glaring and concerning."
https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1686503762121105408?s=20
Personally I don't see how the facts as alleged aren't first amendment protected speech, of course I haven't read the whole indictment, maybe there is more.
Yes, you should actually read the goddamn facts before opining that you think everything's covered by the First Amendment.
Are you Blackman's child?
What is not protected by the First Amendment are specified exceptions.
Uh, speech or writing used as an integral part of conduct in violation of a valid criminal statute is a specified exception to First Amendment protection. Giboney v. Empire Storage & Ice Co., 336 U.S. 490, 498 (1949).
But speech alone isn't criminal conduct.
So when someone is debating in public even a fringe theory like Eastman's 12th amendment gambit (which was floated in the Hayes-Tillman election in 1876), and the equally suspect Kennedy-Trump alternate electors scheme, where is the criminal conduct?
I only see possible criminal conduct if Trump conspired with Ray Epps to breech the Capitol.
"But speech alone isn’t criminal conduct."
??? It certainly can be, particularly in the fraud context.
Trump is not charged with speech alone. An agreement to defraud need not be written or spoken.
Obviously not, he's barely half my age.
But lets put it this way, Brandenburg has always seemed to me to be too deferential to the first amendment, but there it is the law of the land.
So based on Brandenburg, I think the first amendment protects Trumps public statements, after all there was a robust public debate going on at the time. A debate I might add Trump was losing, losing a public debate isn't criminal even if you are wrong.
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"It rarely has been suggested that the constitutional freedom for speech and press extends its immunity to speech or writing used as an integral part of conduct in violation of a valid criminal statute. We reject the contention now." Giboney v. Empire Storage & Ice Co., 336 U.S. 490, 498 (1949).
From today's Bulwark. A reminder. They are coming for you and your Clairemont buddies, Blackman:
Before we go to the indictment, I want to remind you of an extraordinary moment during the House January 6th Committee hearings when former White House lawyer Eric Herschmann recounted an exchange he had with John Eastman on January 7, 2021:
“[Eastman] started to ask me about something dealing with Georgia and preserving something potentially for appeal, and I said to him ‘are you out of your f–king mind?’” Herschmann told the panel.
“I said ‘I only want to hear two words coming out of your mouth from now on: ‘orderly transition.’ I said ‘I don’t want to hear any other fucking words coming out of your mouth no matter what, other than ‘orderly transition,’” he continued.
“Eventually he said ‘orderly transition.’ I said ‘Good John. Now I’m going to give you the best free legal advice you’re ever getting in your life: get a great fucking criminal defense lawyer, you’re going to need it.’ And then I hung up on him.”"
Less comprehensible than usual!
He was perfectly comprehensible.
The very previous sentence: "But would about incitement? Why didn't Smith charge Trump with inciting violence?"
I mean, were you really confused?
Yes, I really had (and have) no clue what Prof. Blackman was trying to say. Congrats if you’ve figured it out though!
Huh? Looks like a typo. Indictment should be incitement.
Typo or autocorrect goof.
But yes, pretty obvious in context.
Yeah, amazing how straightforward it was to sort out unclouded by bad-faith goggles.
No, it was wandering and discursive. It says nothing of particular note, except about Blackman’s need to post and sadness his papse is useless.
Takes one to know one. You've just described yourself.
I wonder if Fed Soc or someone else, maybe a PAC, pays Blackman to post stuff like this.
He needs some time to figure out what's unbelievably outrageous about the charges.
Even if everything in the quoted section of the indictment is true, it is still not a crime. That is what he gets wrong.
The indictment helpfully cites the laws broken.
It cites what he is charged with, and what the alleged facts are.
The alleged facts, taken as true, are not crimes; they are constitutionally protected speech and petition.
TRUMP 2024!
Mr. Bumble: "FOUR LEGS GOOD! TWO LEGS BAD!"
More like: LET'S HAVE ANOTHER GO AT OVERTHROWING AN ELECTION
Prof. Blackman,
What is the statute that you have in mind when you refer to “criminal incitement”?
Forget it. He's rolling.
Remember when leftists screamed election fraud with Bush and everybody respectfully gave them a forum to do so instead of deeming it a crime? Remember how Dems incite BLM and other rioters on a constant basis and are called stunning and brave instead of imprisoned? Pepperidge farms remembers.
In that case, don't trust the memory of Pepperidge farms.
But their cookies are delicious!
Yeah if you are a prog carrying out naked and obvious lawfare you wouldn't want to remember.
The left has challenged every Republican presidential victory since 1972 except one ( that being the 49 state landslide of 1984). They have even used some of the same accusations that Trump made ( remember when they claimed that the Diebold voting machines switched votes?). They took their challenges to court, demanded recounts, held congressional hearings, held protests ( some of which turned into riots) , tried to get electors disqualified and tried to get other electors to switch their votes. In 2016 their reasoning was based on the phony Steele Dossier which many knew to be a lie. To this date there have been zero arrests of Democrats for challenging elections.
That was new MAGA hero RFK Jr.
But "Pencil Neck" Adam Schitt had Photos of "Naked Trump"!!!!!!!!!!!!
Screaming election fraud is fine. Even if you lie about it. If Trump just wanted to tweet lies all day, that's his right.
When you start lying to the government, that's when it becomes a crime.
Like making a false police report, a la swatting. Can I call the cops and tell them my neighbor has taken a hostage, when I know that isn't true?
what lie did he tell the government? When the Dems tried to overturn the elections they lost did they avoid involving any part of the government in it, and just told their plans to Joe Bob in a shack?
In 2016 the Democrats objected to the electors and demanded an investigation based on the Steele Dossier. To me that says they lied to the government.
Or making false statements
(I think actual lawyers have a term for that) on a Federal Form 4473, like a certain Crack-Smoking-Non-Child-Support-Paying-Fucking-the-Wife-of-his-Dead-Brother(he gets a pass on that one, she's hot) Son-of-our-Senile-President....
and how did our current POTUS become a billionaire on his Senate/VPOTUS/POTUS salary??? (Oh, I know what he says his "Income" is, I think the IRS has a term for that also)
Frank "Follow the Money!!!!!!!!"
He was also fucking his sister-in-law’s sister and maybe his cousin. What a guy.
Hunter is a disgusting pig. I hope he dies of cancer too.
Frank, Biden is a millionaire, not a billionaire. He only really started to rake money in as Obama's VP, prior to that he was actually pretty poor by Senate standards.
I kind of suspect that's what lay behind Hunter cutting so many corners, seeing all the other Senators' sons raking it in, and wanting a piece of that, without the subtlety to pull it off deniably the way they usually do.
What a great point... so why DIDN'T Trump round up all those Dems "inciting BLM" and jail them?
RE: "Perhaps Smith engaged in a political calculus,..."
Joe Biden's dentist's assisstant engages in political calculus.
“Joe Biden’s dentist’s assistant engages in political calculus.”
Decalculus, I believe you mean.
I don't want to waste my time checking his c.v., but I'll make a wild guess that Prof. Blackman has never prosecuted a case and, in fact, perhaps has never been in a courtroom except as an observer. The reasons for Jack Smith's choices are so obvious that it's almost embarrassing to point out that (1) of course he opt to not charge insurrection and (2) of course he didn't clutter the indictment with additional defendants. As it stands, the indictment will likely result in a fairly quick and straightforward trial. The insurrection charge and charges against the co-conspirators would drag the trial out to about 2025. And that's not even taking into account the appeals. I don't doubt for second that Smith knows exactly what he's doing.
How did you know???
"the indictment will likely result in a fairly quick and straightforward trial"
I disagree. Too many witnesses testifying about too many conversations. Too many documents to be authenticated. Potential witnesses are scattered around the country.
I think the Department of Justice has ample resources to get its witnesses to D.C. to testify and identify documents. The government has estimated that the Florida trial -- which is much more document intensive than the D.C. case -- will take 21 days for the parties to try. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.3.0_12.pdf p. 45. I doubt that the D.C. trial will take much longer than that.
Really? I would have guessed the D.C. trial would stretch on simply to accommodate the amount of cross-examination that will be needed for the conspiracy witnesses. But you seem to have experience here, so I'm asking.
Those who are referred to in the indictment as being co-conspirators will likely not testify unless they reach a cooperation/plea agreement. (Even if they are uncharged as of the time of trial, they are likely to invoke the Fifth Amendment privilege. It would be unethical for the prosecution to call a witness whom the prosecutor knows will invoke the Fifth.)
If any co-conspirator does testify, the direct examination will likely last longer than the cross. These are folks who have much damaging information about Trump. The defense must tread carefully with them.
I expect that the bulk of the co-conspirators' statements will be elicited from other witnesses and will be admissible against Trump pursuant to Fed.R.Evid. 801(d)(2)(E).
I note that Mark Meadows is not alleged to be a co-conspirator. I suspect he has reached an agreement to testify for the government.
You don't feel that the other, non-conspiring witnesses will take a lot of cross-examination? Maybe you're right.
"I’ll make a wild guess that Prof. Blackman has never prosecuted a case and, in fact, perhaps has never been in a courtroom except as an observer. "
Dear me, I believe you've just described 98% or more of the LS professorate.
"Yet, the special counsel, after studying the issue for months, opted not to bring that charge. Why? Perhaps Smith determined that he could not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump engaged in insurrection."
Everybody knows that a D.C. jury will convict Trump of anything he is accused of, so I doubt that was Smith's reason.
Yeah, you know those black people.
Everybody does, it's why smart people avoid them whenever possible. (see Simpson, Nicole)
Yes. While most whites will grovel and say "I have black friends," I am proud to say that I have no black friends, don't want black friends, and don't want anything to do with these people."
You know, Jesus was... oh nevermind. You don't want anything to do with those people.
I'm an atheist, so I couldn't care less about what Jesus was or thought.
"you know those black people."
Interesting that this is the first thing that comes to mind.
While D.C. is approximately 45% black, you know what else Washington D.C. is, David?
NINETY-THREE percent Biden voters.
I'd say that a jury panel almost certain to have 11-12 Biden voters and 0 to (at most) 1 Trump voter is a lot more of a sure conviction than a jury panel that's generally half black and half white.
D.C. is ~45% black while 90+% of all D.C. residents voted for Biden in the 2020 election. It’s extremely telling that your intuition was I was referring to the prospective jurors’ race rather than their political preferences.
A conviction of insurrection would almost certainly be appealed to the SCOTUS and quickly be overturned thus ending the matter.What they are hoping for here is an election year conviction that would wind it's way through the various levels of appeal and thus be a burden on candidate Trump and the Republican party.
Any conviction of any offense is certain to be appealed. The appeal would go first to the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.
A crucial question is whether Trump would be granted bail pending appeal pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 3143(b).
Why is that a crucial question?
With a single defendant and a nucleus of facts common to the four counts of the indictment, the D.C. trial may well conclude during the presidential primary election season. Confinement pending appeal is the norm in federal criminal prosecutions. Release after sentencing requires judicial findings:
18 U.S.C. § 3143(b).
While electoral politics should not figure into the trial judge's analysis of the above factors, her decision could have quite an impact on Trump's political fortunes. If I were a Republican primary voter, I would want to consider before voting whether the prospective nominee will be locked up during the general election campaign. Similarly, if I were a delegate to the Republican National Convention, I would want to know that before the roll call.
"If I were a Republican primary voter, I would [...]"
8 years since Trunp emerged on the national political scene and you still can't understand what a protest candidate is. Maybe after Nov 2024 it will click.
Trump urged the people to go to the Capitol, viz:
"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
The fact that you have totally ignored and withheld this quote from your analysis proves that you are despicably biased in this matter, that your opinion is garbage, and that you should sit this one out.
w.
Leaving aside the law for a second, why didn't Trump get on Twitter and tell them to stop? The guy had no problem tweeting every other day of his life.
Meanwhile, people are running through the Capitol waiving MAGA flags and chanting "Hang Mike Pence" and it took him 4 hours to say anything.
Why?
Is that the new legal standard for incitement? Somebody decides to do something and you don't yell, "Stop! Stop, I say!"?
I have no doubt that, after several years of left-wing rioting on a huge scale, including in DC, to the point where Trump had to shelter in the White House bunker on occasion, and after Congress had turned down his offer of National Guard help with security, he found the riot rather entertaining. At least until it dawned on him that he was watching his election challenge be rendered radioactive.
But finding it entertaining when the other guy gets a taste of it is not a crime.
This is the defence of somone who voted for the guy.
In the sense that, yeah, like about half the electorate, I voted for the guy.
And this is the best defence you can muster.
Less than half, Brett. Less than half.
Did Obongo make a public plea for his "brothers" to stop rioting in the "mostly peaceful" protests in the summer of 2020?
“why didn’t Trump get on Twitter and tell them to stop?”
You can’t be serious . . . he did just that.
Perhaps you did not finish reading Zach's post, but he pretty clearly meant “in a timely fashion.” Instead of waiting about 2.5 hours,* and in the meantime sending out a tweet to egg on the rioters about how Pence had supposedly failed him.
*Well, more like 1.5 hours if you count Trump’s tweet urging the rioters to “remain peaceful” while at the Capitol, while conspicuously *not* directing them to stop trespassing and leave the Capitol. But that’s not exactly “telling them to stop.”
I am using this site: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56004916 to measure the time lag. I'm not sure where Zach is getting his measurement from.
"Leaving aside the law for a second, why didn’t Trump get on Twitter and tell them to stop?"
He did. Now, my turn to ask a question: why did Jack Smith exclude Trump telling the January 6th crowd to "peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard" from the indictment? It is missing from pages 38-39, if you want to check for yourself. What inference should a reasonable person draw from this omission?
That Smith understands the purpose of an indictment, and you do not?
I was unaware the purpose of an indictment was to lie by omission. That doesn't seem helpful. Then again, it is clearer every day that we live in a society with a two-tier justice system. Nancy Pelosi can leave Congress $100M+ richer and no investigation is even considered.
Stop confusing the issue with inconvenient truths.
Every one knows that Trump's very existence is a crime.
TRUMP 2024!
It sounds to me as though he's attempting to try Trump for insurrection, only indirectly, so as to avoid having to prove that there WAS an insurrection. While indirectly trying Trump for incitement without having to prove the components of actual illegal incitement.
He's trying to make up for the failure of the Jan. 6 committee to prove anything.
You mean, by proving those things? Yes, that's the difference between an investigation and a prosecution.
There is no "proof" of anything, only an indictment.
Right, and the next step is the trial where he proves those things.
If he had proof of "those things", he would have charged "those things".
He did.
"If [Smith] had proof of 'those things', he would have charged 'those things'."
Not necessarily. In our system, so long as the prosecutor has probable cause to believe that the accused committed an offense defined by statute, the decision whether or not to prosecute, and what charge to file or bring before a grand jury, generally rests entirely in his discretion. Bordenkircher v. Hayes, 434 U.S. 357, 364 (1978). Donald Trump is 77 years old, and the charges he is facing in D.C. alone carry a potential aggregate 55 year sentence. Trying him for additional charges would be akin to carrying coals to Newcastle.
The prosecution here has identified a nucleus of facts and has charged multiple statutes that apply to those facts. Trial lawyers have a saying that the mind can't absorb what the butt can't endure. There is no reason to put every charge that theoretically may apply before a jury, when other, more straightforward charges can easily be proven.
I suspect that Jack Smith has learned that and governs his conduct accordingly.
Is this a bit like claiming the Mueller Report was a big nothingburger because it didn’t specifically prove that Trump has “colluded” with Russia? You focus on the one allegation left unproven, in order to dismiss everything else that is shown?
There was an insurrection, no doubt. Whether Donald Trump is vicariously liable for the siege of the Capitol is a more difficult proposition to prove. The conspiracies and the attempt to obstruct an official proceeding alleged in the indictment are much more straightforward.
I surmise that charging the more easily proven offenses and not charging insurrection is a strategic choice. The prosecution does not want the clowns of SCOTUS to have any opportunity to opine that Trump's encouragement of the mob was First Amendment protected speech under Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969).
No one defending Trump here seems to have read the indictment.
Or even prof. Somin's blog post.
What about their defenses do you imagine would be different if any had?
They also left out lying on his form 4473, maybe he can get a "Plea Deal" like Hunter
Some prominent conservative law professors don’t have as much to say about John Eastman as they once did.
#cowards
#un-American
#clingers
Late to the party “Reverend/Coach”?? you really need to get S-S-S-enator S-S-S-S-Stuttering John Fetterman going on your commutation.
Some customarily outspoken Republican law professors do not seem interested in talking about fellow Federalist Societeer Jeffrey Clark these days, either.
Trump got their tongues?
Crawl on, clingers.
Looks like you have "premature comment-ulation" there "Coach" might want to see a doctor for that.
The January 6 tourism incident is included in the indictment, just not as a standalone count. Adding a separate charge would cause a lot of fighting over a difficult charge that doesn't matter to the criminal punishment. It's not Smith's job to keep Trump out of office.
Smith did pile on charges in the classified documents case because they were not especially hard to prove. At sentencing all the different ways Trump tried to obstruct justice will be merged together.
AP reports this morning that Trump did not get lucky with the choice of judge in D.C.. He drew a judge who is angry over January 6 and takes it out on defendants.
The January 6 tourism incident
Good luck with that.
I believe he's being sarcastic.
The Intra-Capitol rally.
No, the judge is not angry over January 6. She hates whites in general, being your typical uppity black.
Every single black person who lives, has lived, and will live is superior to you in every single way. The worst black person you can imagine is a better person than you. You’re garbage.
My IQ was tested at over 150. I have a beautiful wife and 3 children. I have a JD/MBA from a top school, and have a successful career.
The average black is a worthless pavement ape. The "exceptional" ones are few and far between, and they tend to have the same tribal mentality as the average.
I won a Nobel Prize, two Olympic gold medals, and I'm married to Scarlett Johansson.
In what order?
Your IQ doesn’t even reach the bottom of the scale. You’re a sad, stupid loser. And you know it. It’s in every word you write.
Is this Donald Trump's alt account?
I recall way back during the Clinton administration, there was something of a scandal about all Clinton related cases in DC being diverted to clique of judges Clinton himself had nominated. ("The Magnificent Seven", they called themselves.)
So I wonder if that we really just bad luck.
Never change, Brett. (Not that there was much risk you would.)
That's why all his criminal cases are going to Democrat-appointed judges. Hint: they aren't.
https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/4130919-weve-let-felonies-lock-millions-of-citizens-out-of-their-voting-rights/
This is what passes for liberal logic. Why should violent “black and brown men” who can’t follow the rules of society get to vote themselves leniency and the money of their betters?
"Fastball inside, fouled off! Hoppy stays alive and the count is 0-2."
While guilty verdicts in the charges files would not preclude the former President from running again, they are strong. The columnist Jill Lawrence has suggested that a plea deal might be reached to avoid jail but forgoing any further runs for office. This type of a deal is unlikely but might still have a better chance that a direct indictment for insurrection.
I doubt that Trump would accept such a plea deal. He could however keep his money and still whine the system cheated him.
If politics are really involved Democrats would not want to see their weakest rival out of the race, while it would be a gift for Republicans.
I honestly do not think the Democrats are doing this to take him out of the race. If they wanted that, they WOULD have charged him with an offense that carried disqualification.
Not that they'd mind if it caused him to lose the election, of course.
They've been going after him for so long, and cutting so many corners in the process, that he's become their great orange whale. They HAVE to nail him, they just have to. It's an obsession at this point.
Group telepathy now.
If anything, the prosecutors here to have been very slow and maybe too cautious. Where do you see corners cut?
They hate him because ordinary whites who have been left behind by the modern leftist system like him. It's as simple as that.
Just like their anti-2A obsession. They hate guns because THEY like them.
They love transgenders because they know THEY dislike them.
The Manhattan DA’s case is a bit flimsy, but what reason do you have to believe they’ve “cut corners” on any of the other cases? Charges weren’t sought on the documents case until after months of trying to get the documents back via ordinary means. The January 6th investigation has been percolating for months, after a couple of years of foot-dragging and a record was developed by Congress. The Georgia investigation has similarly proceeded carefully. And then the actual federal charges brought so far indicate a focus on just the crimes that can be proven on available evidence, rather than designed to match the media narrative.
No corners are being cut, Brett. That’s just a lie you’ve thrown into your invective to make everything you say nastier and more tedious to rebut.
In an ordinary case, that would seem a reasonable condition. If George Santos is convicted, for instance, then him resigning and agreeing not to run again makes sense.
But reaching such a deal with Trump would just "prove" to MAGAworld that this prosecution was really about getting rid of Trump as a candidate rather than about putting a criminal in jail for his crimes.
That’s the right of it. Although I wouldn’t concede this as a reasonable condition in any similar contexts. Public corruption must be prosecuted and those responsible must serve the maximum sentences allowed.
Trump's four years as President were marked by chaos and another four would likely be worse. If the goal is to ensure he does not hold the Presidency again then the plea deal might be the best solution. The consensus is that this run for the Presidency is to thwart the legal consequences of his action. The American people give him that in return for being done with him. Trump will lose in 2024 and we will have the same arguments that he was cheated again. This country needs to move on.
Josh, you hand-wave so much that perhaps we should take to calling you “jazz hands.”
The indictment outlines a conspiracy to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power through a series of deceptions and exploitation of legal loopholes, in order to seize and retain power. These people were talking about putting down protests against their seizure of power with military force, Josh. Given this, there is really only one acceptable response from any respectable law professor – which is to condemn what Trump and his co-conspirators are alleged to have done. It should be absolutely clear to every one of the Conspirators that what is claimed to have happened should not have happened.
The reason that this is necessary is that Trump supporters – see the other comments for examples – are doubling down on their denial of reality, to avoid the fact that they support this attempted coup. As the facts have come into clearer resolution, they no longer are trying to cite ambiguities or blaming imperfect messengers; they have moved on to simple denials and lies. Law professors should not give them comfort or justification.
But here, Josh – what do you choose to do? You try to make this insipid argument that Smith’s charging decisions essentially exonerate Trump for his second impeachment. The argument is beyond ridiculous. One has to suspect that you’d have made the exact same choices Eastman did. You’d co-conspire with Trump to try to tear down one of our nation’s greatest accomplishments – the peaceful transfer of power after free and fair elections. In a world now rife with authoritarian creep and military coups, you choose to side with violence. I can only hope that one day, your vapid and cynical ambition leads you to the same place it has led (and may one day lead) Eastman: professional disrepute and a prison cell.
They also neglected to mention the real reason for the bogus indictments against Trump — their deliberate strategic timing as distractions from the real crime story.
"Jdgalt is crowding the plate a bit. Here's the 1-and-2 pitch. Breaking inside; he... JUST got around on it and it's a foul tip to the backstop. These batters are deflecting everything today!"
Sure beats talking about what *is* in the indictment, prof! Good job!
Looks like Smith is angling for the death penalty for Trump by pinning Ashli Babbitt’s murder on Trump:
“if two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same.”
“If death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.”
Finally Justice for Ashli.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241
The retarded ape who shot her is the one who should be sentenced to death.
This prosecution is meant to trigger a real insurrection. And it probably will. 80 million well armed Americans supported Trump. It’s a dangerous powered keg the current president is smoking on top of. I really wish someone would end this game of chicken before it’s too late. But it might be too late.
'Look what violent fantasies you're making us have!'
I doubt that the keyboard warriors clamoring for a second civil war would be of much use as an insurrectionary force against the United States Armed Forces.
Why do you leftists think the military, which is still largely composed of white, male conservatives, is going to do the dirty work of the non-whites, communists, and sexual deviants?
I don't care about your pejorative characterization of the chain of command, but I have faith in the professionalism and abilities of our military forces.
All-talk conservative pantywaists, like ThomasReeves, are among my favorite culture war casualties.
Carry on, clingers, so far as your stale, ugly right-wing thinking could carry a bunch of poorly educated, richly bigoted, disaffected, happy losers in today’s America.
Well, I'll be a dodgamned indictable ham sandwich.
Oh don't worry. I expect the seditious conspiracy charge to come out the day after the next piece of bad news for the Biden Crime Family.... Exactly like the last three indictments have.
The bad news being that the guy that was supposed to testify that Joe Biden was invloved in Hunter Biden's busness testified that Joe Biden was NOT involved in Hunter Biden's business? Why would they want to distract from that?
It's backwards. If you think somebody caused a riot, establish the riot, establish causation, and then ask if it's protected speech. Beginning (and ending) the inquiry inside this fellow's head is precisely the wrong thing to do. Establish objective events and the things that they caused.
And if politicians can be convicted of making a false statement when there's a colorable claim of truth, it would be the single biggest change in the judiciary's role since Marbury.
Mr. D.