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Justice Sotomayor Defends Racial and Ethnic Classifications Relied Upon by Harvard and UNC
She doesn't do a very good job of it.
Justice Sotomayor, in the Students for Fair Admissions affirmative action cases:
The Court also holds that Harvard's and UNC's race conscious programs are unconstitutional because they rely on racial categories that are "imprecise," "opaque," and "arbitrary."
We're off to a bad start. The issue is not simply that Harvard and UNC use these categories in a "race conscious" way, it's that Harvard and UNC classified their students by these categories, and then gave them an admissions bonus if they checked the box showing they were members of certain classifications.
To start, the racial categories that the Court finds troubling resemble those used across the Federal Government for data collection, compliance reporting, and program administration purposes, including, for example, by the U. S. Census Bureau. See, e.g., 62 Fed. Reg. 58786–58790 (1997). Surely, not all "'federal grant-in-aid benefits, drafting of legislation, urban and regional planning, business planning, and academic and social studies'" that flow from census data collection, Department of Commerce v. New York, 588 U. S. ___, ___ (2019) (slip op., at 2), are constitutionally suspect.
A lot of the things Sotomayor mentions are indeed problematic from a public policy point of view, because the classifications are so imprecise and arbitrary. Someone should write a book about it! But from a constitutional perspective, taking data based on these classifications into account for whatever reason is a different matter than classifying individuals and rewarding or penalizing them because they checked a particular box on a form.
The majority presumes that it knows better and appoints itself as an expert on data collection methods, calling for a higher level of granularity to fix a supposed problem of overinclusiveness and underinclusiveness.
As I discuss in some detail in my book, it was not "experts" who came up with these classifications, but, as Justice Gorsuch notes, "bureaucrats." Experts at the Census Bureau were livid when the Bureau decided to adopt these classifications for the 1980 Census. They found the "Hispanic" classification to be especially nonsensical, and product of politics rather than sound data policy.
But if we do want to defer to the pseudo-experts in the government who came up with them, we should recall that when they were initially published in the Federal Register in 1978, they came with these caveats: The "classifications should not be interpreted as being scientific or anthropological in nature" and should not be "viewed as determinants of eligibility for participation in any Federal program," assumedly alluding to affirmative action. As for various public and private planning uses of the data, the argument is circular; academics and planners use the data because the Census Bureau collects the data, which makes the relevant data cheap and readily available. If the Census Bureau used different classifications, researchers would generally use those instead.
Yet it does not identify a single instance where respondents' methodology has prevented any student from reporting their race with the level of detail they preferred. The record shows that it is up to students to choose whether to identify as one, multiple, or none of these categories. See Harvard I, 397 F. Supp. 3d, at 137; UNC, 567 F. Supp. 3d, at 596. To the extent students need to convey additional information, students can select subcategories or provide more detail in their personal statements or essays. See Harvard I, 397 F. Supp. 3d, at 137. Students often do so. See, e.g., 2 App. in No. 20–1199, at 906–907 (student respondent discussing her Latina identity on her application); id., at 949 (student respondent testifying he "wrote about [his] Vietnamese identity on [his] application"). Notwithstanding this Court's confusion about racial self-identification, neither students nor universities are confused. There is no evidence that the racial categories that respondents use are unworkable.
I can attest with some confidence that people are very confused about the relevant classifications, but for now I will just point out that some of the Justices themselves are confused, including Sotomayor. She consistently alludes to a Latino racial classification in this and other opinions, but no such classification exists. Rather, there is a Hispanic/Latino ethnic classification, delineated separately from race. This classification is based on ancestry and cultural ties to Spain, so unlike "Latino" it includes Spaniards but excludes Brazilians. At oral argument, Justice Alito referred to a student of Afghani descent wondering why he should be put in the same classification as a Chinese American. In fact, while this is far from clear from the Common App, the underlying classification scheme considers people from Afghanistan to be white. As for providing more detail in one's personal statement or essay, the evidence showed that Harvard and UNC only classified their students by the main classifications; if a student had an interesting story related to, e.g., his Vietnamese background, that might make for a compelling essay, but Harvard and UNC would still "count" that student only as an "Asian American" for statistical purposes.
[In a footnote, Sotomayor adds:] The Court suggests that the term "Asian American" was developed by respondents because they are "uninterested" in whether Asian American students "are adequately represented." Ante, at 25; see also ante, at 5 (GORSUCH, J., concurring) (suggesting that "[b]ureaucrats" devised a system that grouped all Asian Americans into a single racial category).
That's just a weird distortion of what Roberts wrote for the majority: "Some of them are plainly overbroad: by grouping together all Asian students, for instance, respondents are apparently uninterested in whether South Asian or East Asian students are adequately represented, so long as there is enough of one to compensate for a lack of the other."
That argument offends the history of that term. "The term 'Asian American' was coined in the late 1960s by Asian American activists—mostly college students—to unify Asian ethnic groups that shared common experiences of race-based violence and discrimination and to advocate for civil rights and visibility." Brief for Asian American Legal Defense and Education Fund et al. as Amici Curiae 9 (AALDEF Brief ).
Well, to be more precise the term "Asian American" was coined by Japanese and Chinese American students, who wanted a common term for the reasons Sotomayor suggests. Whether Filipinos, then the largest Asian American group, qualified was an open question, and those activists would have been surprised, maybe shocked, to learn that South Asians were later folded into the classification. Beyond that, Gorsuch never claimed that bureaucrats invented the term "Asian American." Rather, he wrote, "Where do these boxes come from? Bureaucrats. A federal
interagency commission devised this scheme of classifications in the 1970s to facilitate data collection." That is accurate. And it bears noting that the majority of so-called "Asian Americans" don't accept that moniker, even as a secondary identity.
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“Surely, not all “‘federal grant-in-aid benefits, drafting of legislation, urban and regional planning, business planning, and academic and social studies'” that flow from census data collection, Department of Commerce v. New York, 588 U. S. ___, ___ (2019) (slip op., at 2), are constitutionally suspect.”
Sure they are! Absolutely.
Perhaps the feds shouldn’t be doing all that “planning”.
The constitutional basis for the census is to apportion congress. All the census needs to know is "how many people here?". Nothing about 'what kind of people'.
The petition was not acted upon. (Big surprise!)
Just do like I do when asked,
answer "Human" (some would dispute that)
Frank "Sex? not lately"
My wife always answered "Homo Neanderthalensis" to race.
Schuette v. Coalition to Defend Affirmative Action
Sotomayor dissent - basically argued that it is unconstitutional to require compliance with the 14th amendment to the US Constitution
Ricci - Sotomayor's actions was more than sufficient to show she lack the judicial objectivity to be a judge on any court, much less the SC
Rather than being a "wise Latina" she shows herself to be a "wise ass Latina".
Bumble - you are being vastly more charitable than she deserves
I think you misspelled 'political hack'.
Precisely. Her vaunted "empathy" was just a code-word for this.
more like "Wide" Latina
The coalition, aka BAMN, is going to start riots this fall.
Sotomayer is likely going to cheer them on -- and THAT is legitimate grounds for impeachment. Let's make things interesting -- replace her with Ann Coulter....
Prof. Bernstein seems intensely opposed to classifications and classification . . . except when he isn't.
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Care to elaborate?
you must be new hear. The Rev is just a witless hack who only attacks others and never backs his claims
Quelle Surprise! Scratch a "Progressive" find a Racist.
Apparently the Racist Roots of the Democrat party weren't interred with Robert Byrd and are still viable.
The way to discriminate on the basis of race is to keep
discriminating on the basis of race.
Racial discrimination now, racial discrimination tomorrow, racial discrimination forever!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace%27s_1963_Inaugural_Address
and 19 years later Wallace got 99% of the Afro-Amurican Vote (he was still a DemoKKKrat) in the 82' Gubernatorial Erection.
Because the Chinese and Japanese have such mutual love and respect for each other. It's not just the Rape of Nanking but stuff they did to each other thousands of years ago.
Racial classifications are in the context of discrimination against them in the US. Sloppy definitions don't make much difference, though lumping in Indians and surrounding nations with Chinese, Japanese, and surrounding nations seems wrong, as they would suffer different discrimination in the US.
I know this is really crazy, but how about judging peoples on the content of their character?? Seems I remember some guy saying that once.
Frank "I have a Scheme!"
As I write in my book, the classifications made a certain amount of sense (absent the South Asian in the same category as East Asian thing) when they were created, because they were created primarily to monitor discrimination and the like. They don’t make any sense for “compensatory justice” because they include lots of people whose families’ presence in the US is rather recent and exclude others who faced significant discrimination, and also include a lot of people who except when they are filling out forms perceive themselves and are perceived by others as generically white. They don’t make sense for “diversity” purposes because they lump together vast arrays of people with very different backgrounds into crude classifications. It may make sense to put Filipinos and Vietnamese in the same classification if you are monitoring anti-Asian discrimination, but not if you are trying to achieve actual “diversity.”
Relatedly, I've yet to meet anyone willing to defend the proposition that an immigrant from Bombay, Shanghai, Mexico City, or Buenos Aires who naturalizes should get a government contracting preference over a native-born white guy from Appalachia, but that's exactly what we currently do, and have for almsot 50 years.
The other thing is that a lot of it is now politics. E.g., first it was Asian, then we got AAPI, but then it turned out native Hawaiians didn’t want to be lumped in with Asians, so they were separated out.
If you believe in affirmative action, you would want a classification system that tells the activists to go pound sand. You want to just figure out which groups faced past discrimination and why and come up with as precise definitions as possible for those groups. Political solidarity or the fee-fees of activists should have zero weight.
Sotomayor's problem is that she doesn't want to tell the activists to pound sand. She LIKES them. They are HER FRIENDS. But you know, we give you life tenure for a reason-- she could make a better argument if she admitted "these classifications suck" or even turned it into a concurrence where she says affirmative action should still be legal but Harvard needs to come up with classifications that track historic discrimination and that aren't generated in response to activist pressure.
There is no discernable legal analysis here. "Bureaucrat" and "expert" are both rhetorical labels. Everyone knows the racial categories are simultaneously arbitrary and widely used. Whether the distinctions are too broad or too narrow depends on how they're being used.
But one still cannot make the argument that "the categories are imprecise" means "the categories are useless."
I'll give you a baseball example. Two batters have .330 averages. That doesn't mean you pitch them the same. One can hit a curve; the other can't. Both of them are gonna make your fantasy team (if playing different positions). The level of detail needed to pick a fantasy team isn't the level of detail needed to deliver when the count is 3-2.
Hey Wang! this Medical Schools restricted, so don't tell them you're Jewish!"
"Expert" is more than a mere rhetorical label. Within the context of law, that term has a defined meaning. And as Gorsuch points out (and Sotomayor avoids), the people who made the decisions above were not "expert" as that term is defined.
And, yes, one can make the argument in this case that "the categories are imprecise" is a big part of what makes them useless, especially for this particular task. Your baseball example actually supports that argument. Your .330 average is an imprecise metric. It is insufficient to decide where to put someone on the field and even (depending on the rules of your fantasy league) insufficient to decide to pick them for your team.
And even at that, I'll further argue that your baseball example is at least objectively measurable. How much worse would your decisions be if you were limited to self-assessments of "I'm a good batter".
There's way more than just Batting Average, lets see Bill Buckner, lifetime average .289, Dave Kingman, .236.
Except that Billy Buck had a shitty .408 Slugging Percentage, rarely walked, with an OPS of .729
Kingman also rarely walked, but raked for a .478 Slugging for an OPS of .780
and this was before steroids, and where you got the pleasure of facing Nolan Ryan or Bob Gibson for 9 innings (or more)
Frank
The legal analysis is that Roberts said that they are too arbitrary, incoherent, etc to be narrowly tailored to achieve "diversity." In fact, he goes on to say that they actually inhibit diversity by leading a school, for example, to prefer 15% Mexican Americans to 10% students for a wide range of Latino backgrounds. The latter group is obviously more "diverse", but the way UNC and Harvard tabulate it, the 15% adds more diversity because it's 15% "Hispanics" vs. 10% "Hispanics." Sotomayor's response that everyone uses these stats is what's not a legal analysis. The legal analsysis has to be "they are narrowly tailored to serve a compelling interst because...." which is something SS never gets to.
She gets to it by refuting the premise that the categories are even relevant.
To the extent students need to convey additional information, students can select subcategories or provide more detail in their personal statements or essays.
If categorical terminology is imprecise, doesn't correspond to reality, or otherwise problematic — maybe just get rid of the terms and use a simple visual chart: https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/044/241/skincover.jpg
Yeah. That's what she said -- the justices are confused. Not the students or universities.
What a douche! You're technically right that they only count the student as "Asian American" for statistical aka reporting purposes... because that's the law... but not for admissions purposes! For admissions purposes, the evidence shows that they use finer-grained categories.
You've repeated that over and over, even suggesting that I was either incompetent or lying for not agreeing. 6 Justices say you're wrong, and the other 3 don't really address the issue. You can read SS as agreeing, but then she goes on to talk about Latinos and blacks as singular classifications, at length.
I am very disappointed by the dissents in this case, it's true. It leads me to believe that you were right about one thing, which is that diversity has always been more of a subterfuge than the true goal. I find that frustrating because I actually do find value in diversity for its own sake, so I'm sad that it's being thrown out with the bathwater.
But anyway, it's not surprising to me at all that six justices, in order to concoct a justification for their preferred outcome, would willingly turn a blind eye to the district court's findings of fact (not to mention their own oral arguments) regarding the use of finer-grained categories for admissions.
I know of one public school district which tried to classify kids of Portuguese background (mother Portuguese, father US) as Hispanic. Apparently the district got extra money for Hispanic kids.