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Calling 10-Year-Old "Fucking Little Snitch" Isn't Punishable as "Obscene," "Threatening," or "Fighting Words"
From Commonwealth v. Hanner, decided last week by the Pennsylvania intermediate appellate court, in an opinion by Judge John Bender, joined by Judges Mary Jane Bowes and Megan Sullivan:
The facts, as taken in the light most favorable to the Commonwealth as the verdict winner, are straightforward. Sometime during 2021, Appellant's two children were in the foster care system while Appellant was dealing with an incident of domestic abuse in which she was the victim. Her two children stayed with N.M., who is the mother of the victim in this case, S.M. On September 11, 2021, N.M. permitted S.M., who was then ten years old, to ride his bike home from his grandmother's home. Shortly thereafter, S.M. returned to the house, crying and scared.
S.M. testified that he encountered Appellant while bicycling home. He saw a vehicle stopped in the road near a gas station. The driver asked S.M. "do you remember me? I'm [her children's] mom." S.M. recognized the driver as Appellant. Appellant then pulled into the station's parking lot and loudly and aggressively berated S.M., twice calling S.M. a "fucking little snitch." S.M. was scared, started crying, and biked back to his grandmother's home.
Appellant was charged with one count of harassment pursuant to 18 Pa.C.S. § 2709(a)(4), which states that a person commits harassment "when, with intent to harass, annoy or alarm another, the person … communicates to or about such other person any lewd, lascivious, threatening or obscene words, language, drawings or caricatures[.]" …
[Pennsylvania] decisions have accepted that a harassment conviction is valid only if the speech falls within a First Amendment exception…. In this case, the Commonwealth deferred to the trial court's decision to instruct the jury that any conviction must satisfy the Miller standard, i.e., a recognized exception to the First Amendment's prohibition against criminalizing speech. {We apply [the Miller standard for "obscenity"] as the Commonwealth pursued a theory equating "obscene language" with the Miller standard, and the jury was instructed accordingly.}
Therefore, given the Commonwealth's acquiescence on this point, we will assume for the limited purposes of this appeal that "obscene language" must appeal to the prurient interest in accordance with Miller. There is no doubt that uttering the phrase "fucking little snitch" does not appeal to a prurient interest in sex as the comment has nothing to do with sex. This is obvious on its face, and readily demonstrated by the disorderly conduct precedents discharging "obscene language" convictions for failing to meet the Miller standard. See Commonwealth v. Pennix (Pa. Super. 2017) (discharging conviction where the appellant, while detained at courthouse metal detector, shouted "Fuck you police" and similar variants); Commonwealth v. McCoy (Pa. Super. 2013) (discharging conviction where McCoy repeatedly shouted, "Fuck the police," while observing a funeral procession honoring an officer killed in the line of duty); Commonwealth v. Kelly (Pa. Super. 2000) (discharging conviction where appellant said, "Fuck you, asshole," and displayed middle finger to borough employee). See also Commonwealth v. Hock (Pa. 1999) (holding that police officer did not have probable cause to arrest for disorderly conduct under separate subsection concerning "fighting or threatening … behavior" where Hock, during encounter with police, stated, "Fuck you, asshole," to officer). The Commonwealth therefore failed to satisfy one of the elements of harassment as it understood the elements of the crime.
Next, we acknowledge that the jury was instructed that Appellant was guilty if her words were "threatening," which is likewise criminalized by subsection (a)(4) of the harassment statute. The trial judge informed the jury that the definition of "threatening" was self-evident. We respectfully disagree with the trial court's characterization. Again, accepting for purposes of our disposition that, as in Collins, an exception to the First Amendment must apply, the only plausible bases are "fighting words" or "true threats."
Concerning the former, the Commonwealth failed to establish sufficient evidence that Appellant used "fighting words." The basic formulation of that doctrine was stated in Cohen. "[T]he States are free to ban the simple use, without a demonstration of additional justifying circumstances, of so-called 'fighting words,' those personally abusive epithets which, when addressed to the ordinary citizen, are, as a matter of common knowledge, inherently likely to provoke violent reaction." … [U]nder the factual circumstances, a rational fact-finder could not conclude that Appellant intended to goad S.M. into a violent encounter. Appellant's language was abusive and uncouth, especially when directed at a ten-year-old child, but her words were not likely to provoke a violent reaction.
We now address whether the speech qualified as a "true threat." "Speech which communicates a serious expression of intent to commit an act of unlawful violence against a particular individual or group of individuals — more commonly referred to as a 'true threat' — is another certain class of speech that … is beyond the protective ambit of the First Amendment." The hallmark of a "true threat" is that it "threatens unlawful violence." Appellant's statements were insulting but nothing in her diatribe, either as an individual statement or in the aggregate, threatened harm to S.M. We therefore conclude that a rational fact-finder could not conclude, even when granting all reasonable inferences to the Commonwealth as the verdict winner, that Appellant issued a "true threat." We therefore reverse Appellant's judgment of sentence and order her discharged.
Seems sound to me.
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Sounds mostly right to me too but, given the context, it might be worth a conversation under the "threatening" option.
Or "Assault" -- an adult confronting a child in that manner strikes me as illegal due to the action, not the language. I'd also suggest that child protective needed to be a tad more involved here.
I trust that there is no problem with language being used to describe intent.
What action?
"Obscenity" never had a good definition in US law ... much like "fair use", "reasonable person", and various other terms that are, consequently, enforced subjectively.
Would that more justices learned the basics of formal logic.
That reading of "fighting words" seems too contingent on facts that don't relate to any reasonable understanding of harassment. Calling someone a fucking little snitch could well provoke a violent reaction if the two parties are on equal footing -- but this is much less likely when one is an adult driver and the other a ten-year-old pedestrian, or when one is a large, muscular man and the other is small and slight. It seems to me that the legal rules for harassment and intent to annoy should be equal or lower for someone who can physically intimidate their target, but this decision makes these legal rules higher.
If someone called either my nine- or eleven-year-old son "fucking little snitch" in my earshot, especially as part of "loudly and aggressively berat[ing]" him, I would be sorely tempted to violence -- and I think my reaction would be typical. It's cruelly unjust to let this woman off the hook just because she was picking on a little kid who couldn't fight back.
I don't know whether it would be legal for you to protect a child with violence from this kind of abuse, but almost certainly not if the abuse had ended. And it seems ironic (if I'm reading this correctly) that if you respond solely with angry words, they might not be protected because the child-abuser is capable of a violent response to you. Is this right?
That's not the legal standard. In either case.
In the first case, there are separate rules for whether violent retaliation is justified. Note that I said I would sorely tempted, not that I necessarily would fight back physically. The fighting words doctrine is about whether speech falls outside the First Amendment's protection: whether it would "produce a clear and present danger of a serious intolerable evil that rises above mere inconvenience or annoyance" (Terminiello v. Chicago (1949)), or that "when uttered inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace" (Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire (1942)). Where the fighting words doctrine applies, the government can legally punish the speech.
In the second case, there is an objective standard element to the test also. The test does not depend on the most easily aggrieved member of a community.
I tend to agree. The test is "Personally abusive epithets which, when addressed to the ordinary citizen, are, as a matter of common knowledge, inherently likely to provoke violent reaction."
A 10 year old is not an "ordinary citizen". The test should be whether an ordinary citizen would be provoked; the fact that this particular target is weaker than an ordinary citizen, and so can't be provoked, shouldn't matter.
(not a lawyer)
Given this ruling, is it at all possible to protect kids (under law) from abuse like this? And would such abuse be equally protected when directed to any adult incapable of fighting back? (I can imagine plenty of horrible examples.)
Perhaps the next case will not draw a three-clinger panel.
To anyone wondering about the precedential status of the decision, the case is actually a memorandum decision. Pennsylvania decisions are precedential only if designated as an opinion. Judges Bowes and Sullivan concurred in the result only.
Where's our resident Stand-Your-Grounders and gunners who think it would be appropriate for the 10-year old to pull out a gun a blast the jerk away?!?
The same place your gray matter is.
Choosing not to comment on this case because none of that stuff applies here?
I think Vinni had it right: the people apedad described don't really exist.
Is the kid a snitch?
An insult that's non-threatening to an adult can very easily be threatening and downright terrifying to a 10-year-old. The court got this one flat-out wrong.
I wouldn't expect the antisocial, awkward, autistic audience to recognize that.
I'm not inclined to agree that criminal punishment should be handed down based on what a 10-year old finds scary.
That wasn't a test that was proposed, or even the description that tuphat used. So congratulations on beating up a straw man?
Courts have held that the target of verbal abuse is relevant when determining what qualifies as fighting words. See, for example, https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/post/1266/ohio-appeals-court-finds-n-word-equals-fighting-words
tuphat did, in fact, base his argument on what a 10-year old found scary, and then declared as his conclusion that the court declaring that the adult did not commit a crime was "wrong". If that doesn't mean he thinks that criminal punishment (avoided if the court is not wrong) is appropriate given that the insult "can very easily be threatening and downright terrifying to a 10-year-old" then his post is, well, completely written backwards and he probably should have used entirely different words and grammar for every part of it.
Similarly, if you somehow read his post declaring that the fact that the insult could be terrifying to a 10-year old, and concluded that my disagreement that a 10-year old's fears should be the determining factor in whether or not someone is criminally punished was a "strawman" (a deliberate distortion or misrepresentation of tuphat's post), then I would really like to see what you think tuphat's post was supposed to mean.
Also, "fighting words" is not the best standard to base your argument on, since it's just about the most subjective argument that is currently being beaten out of the legal system.
But people do use children to magnify their hate.
Do you have any children?
Please allow another go --
"True threat" is exception to 1A.
As adult, if you called me a "effing snitch," I'd probably concede that's not a true threat, unless maybe you're making a fist, brandishing, etc.
A child, on the other hand, small in stature relative to the adult, essentially defenseless against anything the adult may do, etc., could easily construe the speech as a true threat, and court should have concluded thusly IMHO.
Also: the "little" part in the speech almost certainly was intended and perceived as referencing the disparity in physical size btwn the adult and child, further underscoring the "true threat" nature of the speech.
What?
I'm not a lawyer, not anything even resembling one, but even I know better than that.
A "true threat" must threaten some sort of criminal violence.
Shouting does not make something a true treat.
Being insulting does not make something a true threat. Not if the child understands, nor if even it doesn't.
Exactly what part of the described behavior do you think was a "true threat"? Being physically bigger? Then are all adults criminals automatically? And how much bigger? Is Shaq automatically threatening normal-size adults?
What if the person that frightened the child was screaming about how awesome the local football team is? I've seen drunken football fans that scared me as an adult; are those "true threats" to a child?
Isn't there a "reasonable person" standard that should be applied in this case? Would a reasonable 10-year-old in a like situation perceive the speech as a threat? Probably so.