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Calling Male Neighbor a "Redheaded Bitch" Wasn't Constitutionally Unprotected Fighting Words
From State v. Gibson, decided last Thursday by the Ohio Court of Appeals (Judge Mark Miller, joined by Judges Juergen Waldick and William Zimmerman):
In this appeal we are asked to decide whether calling one's neighbor a "redheaded bitch" as part of a festering feud over driveway access constitutes "fighting words" sufficient to result in a conviction for disorderly conduct ….
"Punishment for disorderly conduct based on spoken words is prohibited unless those words amount to 'fighting words.'" "[N]o matter how rude, abusive, offensive, derisive, vulgar, insulting, crude, profane or opprobrious spoken words may seem to be, their utterance may not be made a crime unless they are fighting words * * *." "Fighting words" are those that "by their very utterance inflict injury or are likely to provoke the average person to an immediate retaliatory breach of the peace." To distinguish "fighting words" from expression fully protected under the First Amendment, "'one must look at the circumstances surrounding such utterance.'" …
The "fighting-words" analysis is intensely fact specific and outcomes will vary from case to case, but decisional law offers several helpful guideposts. First, as a general matter, "'something more than mere profanity is required to constitute fighting words.'" "In determining whether profane utterances constitute fighting words, courts have considered whether the conduct accompanying these statements is hostile or threatening." Moreover, "to constitute 'fighting words,' the words chosen must be 'used to describe a person or be directed at a person.'"Finally, although "a person need not actually be provoked to a violent response" for words to be "fighting words," the failure of the targeted party to respond might evidence that the words were not "fighting words." …
Under circumstances like those present in this case, we do not find the simple act of calling someone a "redheaded bitch" would have provoked immediate retaliation. Thus, we conclude that no trier of fact could find that Gibson leveled "fighting words" against Foley as necessary to sustain a conviction for disorderly conduct.
To begin, considering contemporary standards, Gibson's epithet was of a milder variety compared to other cases where more-egregious expletives were not found to be "fighting words." SeeIndeed, courts have found terms far more loathsome than used by Gibson in this case not to be "fighting words." See, e.g., State v. Dotson (Ohio. App. 1999) (under the circumstances, it was not "fighting words" to call various police officers "motherfuckers"); City of Chillicothe v. Lowery (Ohio App. 1998) (saying "fuck you" to police officers and repeatedly calling them "motherfuckers" did not constitute "fighting words"); see also State v. Baccala (Conn. 2017) (calling a store manager a "fat ugly bitch," and worse, and saying, "fuck you, you're not a manager," were not "fighting words" under facts of the case); People in the Interest of R.C. (Colo. App. 2016) (rejecting an argument that the term "cocksucker," "by its mere utterance qualifies as fighting words").
To be sure, we cannot rule out that the insult used by Gibson might be sufficient in another instance involving a simmering feud between neighbors to move the offended party to immediate violence. Depending on the particular circumstances, such an insult might be the proverbial "straw that breaks the camel's back," causing relations to devolve into physical conflict. But here, even with the existing discord between Gibson and Foley, the other circumstances surrounding Gibson's disparaging remark provide ample reason to reject the notion that a reasonable person would have reacted with instant aggression.
Although Foley testified that he remembered Gibson yelling at him, he did not specify how loudly or persistently Gibson was yelling, whether Gibson repeatedly called him a "redheaded bitch," or whether Gibson lobbed any other slights at him. Thus, from the evidence, it appears that Gibson's indiscretion was limited to a single use of the phrase. In addition, there was no evidence that Gibson paired his invective with express or implied threats of present or future violence, that Gibson directed any intimidating or disrespectful gestures toward Foley, or that Gibson behaved in a manner challenging Foley to fight.
Nor was Foley insulted under physically imposing circumstances. Gibson was, by Foley's estimate, some 40-50 yards away on his own property at the time, and he never made any attempt to approach Foley. Furthermore, although Foley testified to feeling "a little" alarmed or bothered by Gibson's insult, he did not indicate that he felt threatened or that he feared violence. And while not dispositive by itself, the fact that Foley exhibited restraint and did not respond to Gibson is some evidence undercutting the assertion that Gibson's remark was likely to induce immediate violence. Therefore, in light of the single specific insult used by Gibson and all the attendant circumstances, we conclude that Gibson's statement did not constitute "fighting words." See State v. Miller (Ohio. App. 1996) (where defendant, separated by a fence and a distance of at least 30 feet, told her neighbor, "I think you are a sick son-of-a-bitch," evidence was insufficient to support disorderly-conduct conviction because the defendant "merely expressed an opinion, without any threat of present or future violence," which was not "fighting words").
To be clear, we do not commend Gibson for his behavior. Gibson had the right to voice his displeasure with Foley's decision to block the driveway, and for this purpose, he had the entire English language at his disposal. But in place of eloquence, Gibson resorted to vulgarity and petty insults.
However, as inappropriate as it was for Gibson not to take the high ground, the law does not proscribe mere incivility. Although use of repugnant words may show the character of the speaker, speakers are free to choose from the full array of lawful means for expressing their dissatisfaction and cannot be penalized simply for straying from nobler standards of decency. Only when speech crosses the line dividing offensive criticism from provocation to immediate violent retaliation—that is, the wall between objectionable, but permissible, speech and "fighting words"—may the law intervene.
Here, even viewing the evidence in a light most favorable to the State, Gibson's remark did not breach that wall. In view of all the circumstances, Gibson's insult, while foul, was not "fighting words" subject to criminal punishment….
For a case where the Ohio Court of Appeals (though a different district) found that a statement (there, calling a black man "nigger"), see City of Columbus v. Fabich (2020).
Kyle Phillips represents Gibson.
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I hope I live long enough to see a case about "fighting words" over a delusional man who dresses as a woman getting called a man.
Don’t worry, your overwhelming desire to attack a tiny minority of the population with wildly disproportionate hatred and political power is assured.
What if he called his neighbor a "racketeer"?
I think that for the fighting words doctrine to have any use, it needs to be based on what would provoke a relatively volatile person, not on what would provoke an ordinary, reasonable person. It’s not the ordinary, reasonabke people that society has to worry about causing a breach of the peace.
This means that judges are in a particularly poor position to understand what terms are appropriate to include in this category. Judges’ own experience provides little guidance. As a class, judges tend to be selected for temperateness. But this category should be approached from the point of view of an intemperate person.
I disagree. The fighting words doctrine is only defensible when its use is so tightly constrained that almost any person would react with violence. Otherwise, it creates an incentive for excessively volatile reactions - a scenario that society is explicitly trying to inhibit.
Your incentives would lead to everyone scared to death of upsetting everybody, and everybody poised to react as violently as possible to reinforce their volatility.
You want the reverse, the reasonable man, so snowflakes have to grow a thicker skin and the volatile have to learn to control their emotions.
May I suggest you review the stalking case from a few weeks ago?
“Them’s fightin’ words” is a defense for someone who popped someone else in the nose. Trying to prohibit the speech beforehand is speculative and right in line with censorious politicians’ need to grow their power.
Decline the offer and leave it as a defense.
"But everyone will use it?" So? You still need to evaluate if it was sufficient in any particular case.
"But without rules on what counts..." You can make the rules, you just can't apply them to see if it counts until after the fact of violence.
Was the guy actually redheaded? Inquiring minds want to know.
And was he presenting or even identifying as a female?
Another day at the Volokh Conspiracy, another publication of a vile racial slur by the proprietor -- with plausible deniability, of course.
(I was finding it difficult to understand what precipitated the Volokh Conspiracy's mention of this seemingly mundane Ohio case . . . until I reached the final sentence of the quoted portion of the decision . . .)
When I see you objecting to its uses everywhere (popular music/culture), then I'll be concerned at you getting the vapors. It shows your lack of intellect (beyond trolling) that you can't imagine how a lawyer concerned about free speech in general (not just "the law") might be concerned with provocative language enough to comment on its usage.
Authoritarians tend to want to control what other people are allowed to say. That was the alleged objection to Florida's so-called "don't say gay" law, right?
The one that Volokh defended, yes.
The pattern is clear. Prof. Volokh focuses with intense precision on cases that enable him to publish vile racial slurs with plausible deniability.
His bigoted fans love this. UCLA and the American mainstream, not so much.
Carry on, clingers . . . until you reach the line established by your betters.
Will none of Prof. Volokh's fans defend his record with respect to habitual use of vile racial slurs?
You clingers need to stick together on this -- nobody else wants you around.
Apparently "nigger" is a "fighting word" because it's racial, but "red headed" is not racial?
Is that a "fighting word"?
The "fighting words" exception has become increasingly narrow with each SCOUTS ruling, so I'd be surprised if that word in and of itself would qualify as an exception.
Would be curious to hear a cite.
If you want to see the use of a vile racial slur, spending a week at the Volokh Conspiracy should suffice.
Carry on, clingers. So far as your right-wing bigotry could carry anyone in modern America, that is.
Apparently threatening blacks with bicycle chains, opposing Intergration, having black children massage your blonde leg hair, and supporting mass incarceration worked pretty well for Senescent Joe
The only people I call niggers are white people like you.
Oops. Misses the cite at the end of the post...
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=13406420766522636629
Watch out for the Red Headed Nigg, oops, kinder/gentler/kinder/gentler
"the Red Headed "People of Color" (Blake Griffin??)
and did you know Red Heads of any color require more anesthesia than other hair colors?? Something to do with the Amgydla Oblongata or Pyramidal Tracts
Frank
Fighting words is like the Lemon test or the second exception to Teague. It's fallen into disuse and should be overruled (Beauharnais should be as well).
If they cause a fight, they are fighting words.
That rewards the snowflakes.
Fighting words is an abomination.
(And I *think* you were joking, or not serious, or .... something, but my ... something meter is malfunctioning.)
The conservatives using vile racial slurs in this discussion are advised that the official count of racial slurs published by the Volokh Conspiracy will not increase regardless of how many of you bigoted faux libertarians accept Prof. Volokh's invitation to launch racial slurs at his blog today.
The rule is that each distinct exchange -- posts and all related comments -- is counted once, regardless of how many racial slurs Prof. Volokh and his conservative fans use in the context of that discussion.
This is the nineteenth occasion on which this white, male blog has published vile racial slurs during 2023 (so far . . . still six months of opportunities for conservative bigotry left!), and the count will remain at nineteen even if Volokh Conspiracy fans add another hundred racial slurs to this particular exchange.
Carry on, clingers, knowing that Prof. Volokh thanks you for each and every racial slur, regardless of whether it increases the official tally.
You have to wonder why someone would build an academic career around fostering and encouraging profanity and incivility, both on the web and in the classroom. Seems like a strange hill to plant your flag. Is there some internal voyeuristic psychological pleasure derived from listening to racist and misogynists act out like five year olds with their potty mouths? A freudian field day for sure.
No, you don’t, but maybe you do. As I commented above, I guess since you don’t understand how corrosive the impulse to control what people say is, you wouldn’t understand someone’s concern about it. It’s unfair to portray Volokh’s career as encouraging profanity and incivility. I see it as just the opposite. Or do you agree with Tipper Gore’s campaign to put warning labels to restrict the sale of popular music back in the day? She was also against profanity and all that. How far we’ve come with Lin Manuel proudly commenting that the kids will sing all his Hamilton lyrics unsanitized no matter what.
Paraphrasing the current chief justice, the way not to restrict freedom of speech is not deride this who insist on protecting freedom of speech. Which isn’t just speech you agree with.
That's the right-wing bigots' perspective.
This is why you are getting your asses kicked in the culture war by your betters, clingers.
Eh, it's the whole "defending the indefensible" thing.
That said, I agree that Volokh has gone beyond defending people's legal rights to be uncivil, and actively encourages people to exercise said rights.
Him choosing to move the Conspiracy to Reason, for example.
Citation needed.
But you’re arguing over something inherently subjective. Which is why government cannot possibly be the arbiter of misinformation, for example, because nobody agrees on what is true. And that extends beyond just government, in a small “L” liberal society.
Again, it’s easy to tolerate speech you agree with. Expanding beyond that used to be one of the fundamental principles of the ACLU, before it was captured by a progressive agenda that want to countenance what you’re talking about: ostracizing people with unpopular views or say unpopular things. I’m not saying you personally need to buddy up to speakers you disagree with. Don’t go where you’re likely to hear things you find offensive.
But it’s presumptuous for you to condemn others who choose differently. If it’s really a problem for you, I suggest you don’t frequent this blog. Boom! Problem solved! Which is why I have no sympathy for people who post here just to complain they don’t like what the proprietor likes to post about. There’s the door…
No I'm not.
I threw out an old saying as short-and-succinct rebuttal to the idea that it's improper to defend the legal rights of bad people. Seeing as I considered a one-liner sufficient rebuttal, you can fairly assume I'm not interested in actually arguing the point: that is, if you're unsatisfied with decades of discussion of "defending the indefensible", why would I think I can do better?
To the remainder, that was what we call an ad hominem attack on Volokh's character. And as we all know, ad hominem attacks aren't really arguments. So while I agree with his more principled positions regarding free speech†, I find him personally distasteful. Which is to say, I was stating an opinion. If you want to argue it, too bad.
And one final note:
I have no interest in staying in a bubble. Putting up with bores like Volokh is a price I pay for having a realistic world-view.
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†Other opinions, such as his stance on book banning in libraries being A-OK, I have very strong divergences with.
How often does the reporting system publish a judicial decision using a vile racial slur that the Volokh Conspiracy doesn't spotlight?
... I know I've often repeated that I'm not a lawyer, but I have to give you points for novelty.
This is the first time I've had to say I'm not a librarian either.
Why wonder? I think most people understand it quite well.
As a jew who grew up in Texas in the mid sixties I was subjected to enough kike, spick and nigger talk to never want to hear it again. It make me sick to my stomach. Just because you can and are free to do it doesn't mean you should. If you are unlucky enough to not be behind your keyboard when you act out with your potty mouths you might also just get your ass kicked by somebody not quite so intellectually enlightened. I guess your vulgarity stimulates some weird psycho sexual arousal mechanism for others, perhaps even the learned academics. So have at it. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S002438412200170X#:~:text=Swear%20words%20produce%20increased%20autonomic,threshold%2C%20while%20reducing%20pain%20perception.
I mean, a few weeks ago the SCOTUS said that stalking was constitutionally protected speech, so we should expect the bar for unprotected speech to be increasingly hard to reach.
That's not what the Court ruled. I guess I know what you're all about now, if you're going to mischaracterize a threshold decision.
In the last few weeks I have...
Repeatedly called the SCOTUS a pack of cowards
Repeatedly said that they're only bound by rules and doctrine when it suits them
Repeatedly criticized them for relying on constitution-free doctrine because the actual Constitution and laws don't support their outcomes
Called them outcome-motivated numerous times
Repeatedly pointed out that if you think their decisions will be neutrally-applied you're an idiot
Pointed out that if judges are so worried about being doxed that they should change the made-up standard on what a "true threat" is
Idly wondered about whether or not posting directions on how to make a pipe-bomb become un-protected if your coincidentally next post is a set of nine addresses.
Repeatedly criticized SCOTUS's habit for avoiding real questions by kicking the can down the road
And a bunch more besides.
If this criticism is what clued you into what I'm "about", rather then, you know, all of that, then you're an idiot, and probably coming up with the wrong conclusion.