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If "Any Government Again Resorts to Racial or Ethnic Classifications to Ration Medical Treatment,"
"there would be a very strong case for prompt review by this Court."
So writes Justice Alito, joined by Justice Thomas, in a statement today respecting the denial of certiorari in Roberts v. McDonald:
The circumstances underlying the dispute below have long since come and gone, and I therefore agree with the Court's decision to deny review. But I write to note that this case involves an issue of ongoing importance: whether the Equal Protection Clause permits governments to use race or ethnicity as a proxy for health risk and therefore "prioritize the treatment of patients" on that basis. Roberts v. Bassett (2d Cir. 2022) (Cabranes, J., concurring) (noting the "portentous legal issues" implicated by such policies).
When "several new COVID–19 treatments for high-risk patients" were approved in late 2021, the treatments were "briefly in short supply" relative to need. New York State "instruct[ed] providers to follow" its guidance on "higher priority risk group[s]" so long as the "supply shortage persisted." Echoing similar guidance from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the State's guidance specified that "'[n]onwhite race or Hispanic/Latino ethnicity should be considered a risk factor'" when prioritizing patients. The State justified the use of race and ethnicity as proxies for health risk by appealing to "'longstanding systemic health and social inequities.'"
As we have stated many times and have recently reaffirmed, the Equal Protection Clause places a "daunting" obstacle in the way of any government seeking to allocate benefits or burdens based on race or ethnicity, typically giving way only when the measure in question is "'narrowly tailored'"—that is, "'necessary'"—to "remediat[e] specific, identified instances of past discrimination that violated the Constitution or a statute." Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President and Fellows of Harvard College (2023). Therefore, government actors may not provide or withhold services based on race or ethnicity as a response to generalized discrimination or as a convenient or rough proxy for another trait that the government believes to be "'characteristic'" of a racial or ethnic group.
Under that precedent, New York's general reference to "longstanding systemic health and social inequities" would not have sufficed to allow the State to deny a person medical treatment simply because that person is viewed by the State as being a member of the wrong racial or ethnic group. The shortage at issue in this case appears, thankfully, to have concluded. But in the event that any government again resorts to racial or ethnic classifications to ration medical treatment, there would be a very strong case for prompt review by this Court.
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Not " [n]onwhite race or Hispanic/Latino ethnicity"????? No Paxlovid for You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Still don't follow the logic of being able to identify as a different sex and getting all of the "benefits" (Atrophic Vaginitis!! Yay!!) but not getting the same opportunity with Race...
Frank "Thinking of turning Japanese (the song, not changing race) "
Progressives are consumed with racism and the perpetuation of racism.
Let’s not misstate the case: progressives are obsessed with racism and the
perpetuationcorrection of our history of racism. Sometimes so enthusiastically that they make stupid errors.No, they are consumed with the lust for power, don't give a shit about consequences or even acknowledge that consequences exist.
Anything which riles up votes is good enough.
When you're talking about the other side collectively like they're a cartoon, you've gone way too far.
When you assume I'm talking only about "the other side", it's obvious you think only one side does it, and feel guilty that it's yours.
Own goal FTW!
Awesome pop-psychology.
Yes, my issue is that I’m guilty at how much progressives are consumed by a lust for power, and lying about it.
Your anti-progressive credentials are so impressive. Truly, an unthinking knee-jerk prejudice that all who respect to pure partisanship should aspire to.
Again, “anti-one side” does not mean “pro-some other side”, it only shows your own blind ideology.
Notice you brought "Progressive" into the discussion, not me.
OK, maybe you bothsides AND have a cartoonish view of progressives.
You're still fucked up.
Notice you brought “Progressive” into the discussion, not me.
This, I forgive. It's Friday. But here is how progressive came in:
Intelligent Mr Toad: "progressives are obsessed with racism..."
You: "they are consumed with the lust for power, don’t give a shit about consequences or even acknowledge that consequences exist."
My dude, you were talking about progressives *the whole time*
Your assumption that I have been talking about Progressives *the whole time* is just a continuation of your ideological obsession with "the other side".
You can take off the size 60 shoes and the red nose any time you want.
Your they is not ambiguous. What game are you playing?
If they were worried about the correction of racism, you'd expect to see them taking actions to reduce it. Instead, we see incitement and perpetuation of the racist attitudes that heros like Martin Luther King fought against.
You don’t know shit about MLK.
Or a lot of things, if you believe all the left is doing on racism is incitement and perpetuation of the racist attitudes.
Do you read the comments on here? Do you see where the actual for-real proud and hateful bigots are?
Why are you so obsessed with defending Progressives from charges of racism while labeling everyone else as racist? Methinks the lad doth protest too much.
Some progressives are racist. I never said otherwise. I also never said everyone else was racist.
You okay today?
If you're gonna invoke MLK, you might try learning something about his actual life first. He spent the last six years of his life actively promoting affirmative action - both class/income-based and explicitly race-based affirmative action, in college admissions and in hiring.
The line about "my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character" was part of a "dream" for "one day" in the far future, not a program he would have supported at the time. And when he wrote "judged by" he didn't mean only in a court of law. He meant "judged" by other people, generally. You know, judged by society.
Progressives are anxious to rewrite history to make the Republican emancipators into villains and the Democrat segregationists into heroes. While they are at it, they are also anxious to make government more powerful than individuals, expecting to prosper from government largesse via handout, graft, or employment. Progressives ally with the worst cults of sexism. racism, and hatred (e.g., Islam) to gain power. Other than that, they are really nice people.
make the Republican emancipators into villains and the Democrat segregationists into heroes
Actually, the lost cause assholes are on the right side of the aisle.
make government more powerful than individuals
This has always been true.
ally with the worst cults of sexism. racism, and hatred (e.g., Islam)
So you're a bigot? Whoa, never woulda guessed.
Democrats are right wingers? When did they switch, was it during slavery days, Jim Crow, when?
Somewhere from LBJ to Nixon. You can look it up.
Never happened, as anyone with even a smattering of political knowledge knows.
Georgia was completely controlled by Democrats until 2003.
South Carolina was Democrat controlled until 1995, swapped back and forth, until Republicans took control in 2003.
Kentucky is still controlled by the Democrats today.
For Christ's sake, Alabama was controlled by Democrats until 2011!
Did it occur to you that not everyone in the South is a right-winger?
Do you have a coherent argument?
Your attempt to appeal to the "party switch" and "Southern Strategy" myths fails because it is trivially false.
Do you want to try again? So far, you're just proving Yogis_dad's point.
You are aware that we're living in 2023 not 1880, right? What Republican emancipators and Democratic segregators did 150 years ago doesn't tell us about the state of the parties today.
Alternatively, there were Northern emancipators and Southern segregationists so to this day the North is the domain of freedom and the South, the domain of oppression and racism...
Same argument but I suspect less acceptable to you.
Correctly racism by literally being racist up to and beyond denying medical care based on race.
Bullshit
You don't "correct a history of racism" by being enthusiastically racist for centuries more, any more than you "correct the harms of rape" by raping the sister, or daughter, of the rapist.
Progressives are racists who just have a new target. Still evil, still scum
False, especially as manifested in their efforts to legislate for the rest of the world, but equally in their use of hypocritically essentialist conceptions of 'race' and 'whiteness' (which serves as duplicitous tools to grab power).
Should we have to screen immigrants from China both of whose parents were ethnic Chinese, for sickle-cell disease? Or, African Americans all eight of whose great-grandparents were black-skinned immigrants born in the Chadian basin, for cystic fibrosis? Do we have to? Or does the decision not bear on this question? Because such screening would (of course) be a dreadful waste of resources.
(In the long-term, of course, it’s moot, because everyone will have their entire genomes sequenced, and the entire sequence will be in your electronic record….)
The decision does not bear on that question because those scenarios would be "narrowly tailored" exactly as the Court requires.
Yeah, Alito states that the government can’t apportion resources based on the use of race as a proxy for some other trait that members of that race are perceived to possess. That says nothing about cases where race itself is the risk factor.
You mean like data showing that a specific minority is suffering more severe cases of a pandemic virus (leading to higher rates of hospitalization and death) compared to the general population?
The biggest factor in a population’s Covid death rate in America was % below poverty level…poverty is unfortunately a proxy for public health issues in America.
However can we achieve healthcare equity of we can't withhold healthcare from White people and prioritize BIPOC??
Sincerely,
Sarcastr0
Thank Allah for West Virginia—all the evidence we need that racism isn’t the biggest factor in many of the inequities of America.
There are more poor White people in the US than there *are* Black people. That's a fact...
Legal metastasis. Quick and deadly.
As Prof. Reynolds likes to say, the demand for racism in this country far exceeds the supply.
The modern Left has been completely captured by this neo-Marxist racial determinism that is incredibly even more idiotic than Marxism's economic determinism. These morons endlessly attack the "systemic" biases if a "system" in which they control every lever of power, from education to the media to government to, increasingly, corporations, or, "the means of production", to coin a phrase.
Hey, this post is a microaggression, you racist SOB.
You might as well have just bombed my church.
"neo-Marxist"
Whoa.
Sarcastro, don't forget that one of the charges lobbed against Martin Luther King by southern segregationists was that the civil rights movement was marxist. Some things never change.
RACE MIXING IS COMMUNISM
https://www.loc.gov/item/2021792152/
What in the world does what I said have to do with calling anything Marxist?
I was comparing racism complaints from the Jim Crow era to those if today. You comprehend that, right?
No one was replying to you.
Presumably based on the fallacy of “communists preach racial equality, therefore anyone who preaches racial equality is a communist.”
I think more ‘all things I don’t like are communist’
Who was talking about people preaching racial equality?
The FBI killed MLK two weeks before his Poor Peoples March on Washington.
The power elites can't have unity among the underclasses.
Always fun to see people who believe that the crime and poverty problems in DC are due to systemic racism when the government there has been almost completely Democratic for half a century.
Ah yes, the well-funded and completely independent Democratic government of DC.
But there are other cities with racial issues and Democratic government, so your example may suck but your point needs a bit more engagement.
Here it is: systemic change is hard, and not all Dems are up to the challenge. But just about the entire GOP is into ignoring the issue.
The GOP also have credible grounds to deny it, just as the Old Left do. Concerning the latter, scholars like Adolph Reed will tell you that, not only are those systemic concerns really class-driven, and NOT race-based, but also that race is a New Left+Neoliberal tool used to distract people from the real drivers of America’s woes (ie, a market economy, a plutocratic-oligarchical one at that). On that view, MOST Dems aren’t up to the challenge, especially as that would undermine their global/international ambitions and America’s power.
Of course the right-wing SCOTUS majority thinks it has power to dictate which practical statistical proxies doctors use to facilitate medical care while it is administered. Of course it does.
If you have limited resources, the correct answer is to triage to maximize the number of lives saved. Race doesn't enter into it. If everything else is equal, sure, distribute proportionally.
But this sounds like benighted folk deciding some shall die in excess of that, because they want electrical impulses flowing through certain of their neurons, these neurons over here, where they feel good about themselves, instead of those other neurons 3 millimeters thataway, where they feel bad.
"Sorry, you two have to die instead of that one person, because that skull over there enjoys feel good neurons firing instead of feel bad ones."
"But why doesn't killing two instead of one make them feel like shit?"
"They have a disease called power hunger. There is a cure, it's called freedom. Freedom...from them."
"Why don't they realize it?"
"Even though they increase deaths, again, neural pathways inform them they are good people."
"That makes no sense."
"Disease, remember?"
Now the state of New York is a "doctor"? Doctors are not constrained by the Fourteenth Amendment; governments are.
Regardless, you don't seem to understand the functions of a court. Of course, it should strictly scrutinize a government policy that racially discriminates on its face, which is all the statement said. Why anyone would object to that, short of an instinctive urge to lash out at authors they don't like without bothering to read what was actually written, is beyond me.
Actually, I wouldn't say that doctors *aren't* constrained by the 14th Amendment, or at least laws written under its authority.
The enforcement power may be loss of medical license, but I suspect that a "White Only" medical practice would be shut down rather quickly.
Doctors?
It was New York State that was overruling doctors on their medical judgment. SCOTUS can very well tell NY to knock it off. (Neither NY's legislature nor governor are any better situated to make medical decisions than SCOTUS).
What of doctors employed by government?
No, it has the power to interpret and applied a provision of the Constitution that restricts state actors. Even if state actors choose to provide medical care.
I read Volokh and a few other sites because I want to see reasoned, intellectually honest, arguments for conservative opinions. Anybody here know where I can find any?
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=conscience+of+a+conservative+barry+goldwater&crid=1CHLLSRX030T0&sprefix=conscience+of+a+%2Caps%2C137&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_1_16&tag=reasonmagazinea-20
What would Barry Goldwater have said about the Trump administration?
In general the Volokh pages aren't too bad - only when there's a major race case do the weirdos come out.
But the main Reason pages are infested with white grievance right-wingers, some of whom laughably identify as libertarians, though I think "libertaryan" is a more accurate term, and there will scarcely be a hint of reasoned and honest argument there. At best you get arguments from consequences. Basically, if you post, "I like politician A and btw 2 + 2 = 4", anyone who doesn't like A will jeer you for posting such obviously false arithmetic.
I'm glad to see renewed attention to what some call the Second Founding Amendments (what others call the Vichy Amendments). Regardless of the original legitimacy of these three amendments, ratified by bodies appointed by occupiers, each does mean what it says.
Justice Alito's comment echoes a recent statement penned by Justice Roberts: "The universities’ main response to these criticisms is, essentially, 'trust us.' None of the questions recited above need answering, they say, because universities are 'owed deference' when using race to benefit some applicants but not others. It is true that our cases have recognized a 'tradition of giving a degree of deference to a university’s academic decisions'. But we have been unmistakably clear that any deference must exist 'within constitutionally prescribed limits' and that 'deference does not imply abandonment or abdication of judicial review'."
The deference given to institutions -- be they medical or academic -- has limits imposed by common sense, financial reality, and Constitutional text: the "trust us, 'cuz we know best" assertion typically made by institutions has rightfully lost its luster.
Irony alert: NY State discriminated against obese dark-skinned folk by prioritizing their access to the experimental clot-shots, because they weren't white. That's funny! I don't care who you are.
When “several new COVID–19 treatments for high-risk patients” were approved in late 2021, the treatments were “briefly in short supply” relative to need. New York State “instruct[ed] providers to follow” its guidance on “higher priority risk group[s]” so long as the “supply shortage persisted.” Echoing similar guidance from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the State’s guidance specified that “‘[n]onwhite race or Hispanic/Latino ethnicity should be considered a risk factor'” when prioritizing patients. The State justified the use of race and ethnicity as proxies for health risk by appealing to “‘longstanding systemic health and social inequities.'”
Note the mendacious double-speak. Certain racial categories are labelled “risk factors.” Why? Because there is some statistical evidence that these races are more susceptible to Covid? No, it is “longstanding systemic health and social inequities.” Which has nothing to do with risk factors.
Even if it were shown (which is hasn’t) that certain racial categories are more prone to a certain disease, that does not mean that race is a causative factor. As everyone who has studied statistics knows, correlation is not the same as causation. Certain physical factors — high blood pressure, obesity, age — were known to be closely correlated with greater susceptibility. It is likely that there is a greater incidence of these in certain populations.
If these were used as “risk factors,” and it turned out that certain racial minorities disproportionately benefitted, then fine (IMO). That is a race-neutral criteria.
No, BL - there were actual worse outcomes for nonwhites. IOW, race *was* a risk factor, though the specific causality remains hard to untangle.
It wasn't made up to kill whitey.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/coronavirus-infection-by-race/faq-20488802#
If these were used as “risk factors,” and it turned out that certain racial minorities disproportionately benefitted, then fine (IMO).
Or if white people benefited, eh?
That is an unpopular opinion.
If COVID was created by the Chinese military -- as is generally presumed -- I would not at all be surprised to see that it was intentionally racially specific. The Chinese allegedly were working on that stuff for warfare purposes.
As a moral proposition, when is it ever justified to withhold treatment from a suffering patient on the basis of 'longstanding systemic health and social inequities' when the tx is available?
I am just not seeing the moral argument that supports the policy.
The moral argument is based on social triage. Isolate by hospitalization the cases most likely to spread contagion.
If indicators of contagion risk are to be found in, "longstanding systemic health and social inequities," that is no business of a court during a deadly pandemic.
It was, and it doesn't need to.
In a triage situation with limited resources, correlation is sufficient. It's the same reason why the elderly and compromised got vaccines before the young and healthy.
Constitutionally, that can't be right, though. This is race discrimination and subject to strict scrutiny. So it's literally unconstitutional unless the scientists can prove there's absolutely no race neutral means of distributing the vaccines to the neediest populations.
And there's no way they can show that.
I don't think any of us want to touch life-or-death exigency and strict scrutiny.
Whoever wins, we lose.
The EPC doesn't generally allow states to use race as a proxy for risk. States can't discriminate against blacks because it thinks they are more likely to commit crimes, or deny black people education because it finds that they are less likely to graduate than white people.
I don't see why medical care would be different.
The EPC is a stranger to contagion. During a deadly pandemic, need to prevent contagion gets a higher priority than the EPC.