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Justice Alito Shouldn't Have To Do The Media's Job
In a series of stories, ProPublica has charged Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito with two types of misconduct. First, the reports contend that the justices failed to disclose certain travel they received. Second, ProPublica alleges that the justices failed to recuse themselves from cases that indirectly involved the people who provided that travel. There are very straightforward responses to each of these accusations. Until fairly recently, the ethics rules were reasonably understood to not require disclosing such "personal hospitality." Moreover, the Justices were unaware of alleged potential conflicts because the Supreme Court briefs did not indicate any connection between the parties in the cases and those who provided the travel. ProPublica is no doubt aware of these two facts. Yet, the outlet still persists in a globetrotting quest to tar the judicial branch with the brush of corruption.
Now, Justice Alito has taken matters into his own hands. On Friday, ProPublica asked Alito to provide comments about a planned story concerning Alito's 2008 fishing trip to Alaska. On Tuesday evening, he provided such a response--in the Wall Street Journal. Why did Justice Alito take this unorthodox step to preempt the scoop? Because ProPublica has proven itself unreliable. The outlet could not be trusted to accurately provide Alito's rejoinder in context. And Alito's concerns proved prudent.
Consider two examples. ProPublica wrote that "Alito appears to have violated a federal law that requires justices to disclose most gifts, according to ethics law experts." But ProPublica does not even acknowledge the 2023 rule revision. Indeed, the fact that the rule was changed reflects the prior uncertainty. ProPublica could fully inform readers about the relevant rule change. But it chose not to.
Second, ProPublica charged that Alito should have recused from Republic of Argentina v. NML Capital (2014). ProPublica reported that NML Capital was affiliated with billionaire Paul Singer, on whose private jet Alito flew to Alaska. ProPublica included a single explanatory sentence from Alito's Wall Street Journal op-ed to explain his failure to recuse: "It was and is my judgment that these facts would not cause a reasonable and unbiased person to doubt my ability to decide the matters in question impartially." But that generic line barely scratches the surface of what Alito wrote. Alito explained that "Singer was not listed as a party" in the briefs, and his name did not "appear in any of the corporate disclosure statements." Alito observed that it "would be utterly impossible . . . to search filings with the SEC or other government bodies to find the names of all individuals with a financial interest in every such entity."
Alito is correct on both fronts. On a plain reading of the old ethical rule, he complied with the standards as they were understood at the time. To prove the point, Judge A. Raymond Randolph of the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals received permission from the ethics office to take a similar trip to Alaska in 2005. Moreover, there is no expectation that Justices unravel intricate business arrangements or comb through press stories to stumble upon phantom conflicts of interest.
ProPublica styles itself as "an independent, nonprofit newsroom that produces investigative journalism with moral force." But consistently, their reporting targets only conservatives, with the same cookie-cutter series of allegations that crumble under the slightest scrutiny. Regrettably, this pervasively-progressive "moral force" undermines any pretenses of "investigative journalism." Justice Alito shouldn't have to do the media's job. Fortunately for the Supreme Court, he did so.
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Josh Blackman holds the Centennial Chair of Constitutional Law at the South Texas College of Law Houston.
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Anyone else notice the poor narcissist added this to his post?
“Josh Blackman holds the Centennial Chair of Constitutional Law at the South Texas College of Law Houston.”
Lol.
Heh.
That poor chair.
It’s cute, leave him alone.
It is perhaps worth noting that recusal is generally the optimal outcome for a respondent in a Supreme Court case.
On a cert petition, recusal is practically meaningless unless the recused justice would be voting for cert. If not voting for cert, the recusal is the same result as not voting for cert.
The justices supposedly relying on disclosure in briefing of the conflict is rather the point, isn't it? If they had disclosed receiving millions in "personal hospitality", then the free press would have turned up the conflict that the parties failed to disclose.
Can you break down the calculation as to how the flight to Alaska was worth “millions”?
What would the owner of this jet charge a random person in the market for a seat on it?
Zero
Because a "random person" would not be invited on the plane.
Exactly. Which is the problem.
For free private jet rides, sam and paul are besties. For cases before the court, sam barely knew paul.
My question wasn't rhetorical. I can't imagine any way that a ride on a private jet from DC (?) to Alaska would be worth millions of dollars, but if I'm missing something I'd certainly welcome the opportunity to learn!
Well it's a question of what we are comparing and why one is the appropriate comparison.
Is it compared to how much to fly commercial?
Is it compared to how much to charter a seat on a private jet of any type?
Is it compared to how much for a seat on a jet of this exact type?
Is it compared to how much to get on this particular jet with this particular person?
Okay? Which of those things do you think is worth millions of dollars?
It's not, and you are not missing anything.
caveat: wrt getting a seat on a charter costing millions 🙂
The original comment doesn't narrow it down to just flights. You apparently missed that. Also refers to "justices," plural, rather than just the one that took an expensive private flight to Alaska. You missed that too.
No, it would be Singer who needed to involve his connection to the party for Alito to be aware of it.
I love these dispatches from a nearby alternate reality. On this one, the disclosures have been a very useful corrective and might actually lead to something approaching actual ethical rules for these pigs at the trough.
And hopefully more attention for Leo^2, who seems to spend a lot of time playing match maker between Scotus judges and right-wing billionaires.
I wonder who the occupant of the Merrick Garland seat's billionaire-besty is? What about Barrett?
"I want to believe (but only if it fits my priors)!"
- white shitlibs
...white?
Who do you think you're fooling? It's only white childless urbanites who are livid that someone in FL can't have a 9 month abortion, which is what this is all about.
You all sound retarded
Unfortunately, I had to see your stupidity for myself once.
Fortunately, I can choose to never again have to subject myself to it.
Adios clown.
Hope he sees this, bro.
“To prove the point, Judge A. Raymond Randolph of the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals received permission from the ethics office to take a similar trip to Alaska in 2005.”
This….proves the opposite point? Randolph disclosed an upcoming trip and was given permission. Alito did not disclose – that’s the whole issue.
There was no requirement to disclose at the time. That's the real issue. And a Supreme Court Justice does not have to seek anyone's permission to accept an invitation.
No, the 'real' issue is that certain SCOTUS justices don't understand what is, or is not appropriate.
That's not a failure of anyone other than themselves.
I'm unaware of anyone claiming this porkers are breaking some law.
You seem willfully unaware of the fact that everyone else's complaint is that this is not illegal. Sleazy influence peddling usually isn't. Of course that's when the gaslighting starts - "I wuz just hitchikin' to Alaska to go fishin', and this fella had an empty seat..."
What nobody peddling that kind of nonsense seems to want to talk about is why none of this should effect confidence in the court. And the judges just pretend total deference is simply their due, and start hissing and spitting in offense at the mere thought of being questioned.
I am starting to agree with Leo^2 that these judges each need a special friend. But I'm thinking more justices would be much merrier than rich fishing buddies.
This isn't exactly accurate. The rule was recently *clarified* to note that flights must be disclosed but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have also been disclosed prior.
Once again, if the big local real estate developer invited a local trial judge he only met a few times to take an all expenses paid vacation we would immediately see the problem. We would immediately see the issue if he didn't report it. We would immediately see the issue if he stayed on cases in which the developer had an interest. We would not accept the excuse of "its' too hard to do a conflicts check." And neither would the disciplinary authorities.
Seriously imagine writing this blogpost as answer on a Professional Responsibility Exam. You'd fail.
I swear Blackman and the others must have gotten Cs in Professional Responsibility/failed the MPRE multiple times. It's incredible that they don't understand the problem here.
It’s not that they don’t understand ethics and professional responsibility - it’s that they hold those notions in contempt. They claim that corruption is protected by the first amendment, and have come to actually believe it. People like Harlan Crow and Paul Singer should be able to buy off judges and politicians, ethics be damned. It’s their right!
Maybe Alito. But I think Josh genuinely does not understand professional responsibility.
Is josh a lawyer? I thought he was just an academic
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.”
— Upton Sinclair
“Never argue with a man whose job depends on not being convinced.”
— H.L. Menckin
1. Did someone else pay for the vacation (as opposed to the flight)? It doesn't appear to me that ProPublica is making that claim, although I might have missed it.
2. Local judges absolutely hang out with influential community members all the time, including riding in their vehicles and eating dinner at their houses. It's not typically thought to be a big deal.
1. Did someone else pay for the vacation (as opposed to the flight)?
From ProPublica
"The justice’s stay was provided free of charge by another major donor to the conservative legal movement: Robin Arkley II, the owner of a mortgage company then based in California. Arkley had recently acquired the fishing lodge, which catered to affluent tourists seeking a luxury experience in the Alaskan wilderness. A planning document prepared by lodge staff describes Alito as a guest of Arkley. Another guest on the trip told ProPublica the trip was a gift from Arkley, and two lodge employees said they were told that Alito wasn’t paying."
"including riding in their vehicles and eating dinner at their houses."
Is that the same as paying for a luxury vacation for someone you barely know? Because that's what happened here and is the example I gave for the trial judge. Not dinner at the house or a lift.
"It’s not typically thought to be a big deal."
To the extent its true...it is because of two things:
1) corruption and influence peddling is seen as baked into the local political scene.
2) a terminal case of elite lawyer-brain where this kind of thing seems normal and fine even though it is obviously bad. See also McDonnell v. United States.
Also this "I can't do conflict checks because I review too many petitions" is dumb. Let's say that's true. Shouldn't you want to prevent that issue in the future? Shouldn't you be offering proposed fixes instead of whining about scrutiny? The Court has a huge budget and they could probably hire staff counsel for ethics/conflicts issues.
The fact that Alito et al aren't offering fixes is extremely telling.
it's insanely dumb, given that rank and file attorneys run conflict checks all the time. judges have no excuse at all
Rank and file attorneys run conflicts checks based on our own info. We do not go out and do independent research on potential clients to see if they may be somehow affiliated in some way with someone with whom there might be a conflict.
We can all agree that no one in the legal profession, from judges down to lawyers, deserves any respect.
Remember when you guys thought you would be cute and pretended like you couldn't find the First Clause of the First Amendment for two years?
Yeah, the American legal system is not remotely legitimate
Disaffected misfits and worthless malcontents are among my favorite culture war casualties.
There seems to be a misconception here about how conflicts checking works with judges. Local rules put the onus on parties to disclose information about themselves and, under some circumstances, their affiliates and owners. Courts do not go digging beyond this information.
Among other problems, a system in which courts or individual judges do their own online research creates a risk that decisions are made based on information not in the record. (Also, some online information isn't even reliable!) It isn't realistic to expect each of the Supreme Court Justices or their staffs to take to Google to scour the backgrounds of the parties to hundreds of cert petitions. Given the extremely low likelihood of one Justice on a nine-member court being able to meaningfully impact the outcome of a case to pay back a favor to a litigant, even if he or she wanted to, this system has worked rather well. And, until Dobbs came along, it wasn't particularly controversial.
Law firm conflicts checks work differently. The firm checks its database to determine any past professional relationship with any of the parties, then assesses whether any such relationship precludes taking the case or requires disclosures/consents. It is not necessary to, for example, determine whether any of the firm's employees was ever on a hunting trip with any of the parties' beneficial owners.
So faulting Alito for not "offering fixes" to a system that is uniform across US courts, and works just fine, seems a bit much.
"It isn’t realistic to expect each of the Supreme Court Justices or their staffs to take to Google to scour the backgrounds of the parties to hundreds of cert petitions."
This is why you curate a conflicts list. Hardly impossible.
"Given the extremely low likelihood of one Justice on a nine-member court being able to meaningfully impact the outcome of a case to pay back a favor to a litigant, even if he or she wanted to, this system has worked rather well"
This is not how CoI works - it's not based on the likelihood of impact. Also, one Justice, if influenced, sure a heck does have an impact.
And of course we're also talking about conflicts in a cert granted case, which you keep leaving off.
And even if cert wasn't granted. That can be a big deal. I mean they have a conference on it. If a justice wanted to protect a judgment below by denying cert he can deny a fourth vote. And can persuade colleagues in conference.
Recusing has the same effect as denying a fourth vote.
But the group dynamics among 8 are different than the dynamics among 9. We have no idea how his presence or absence would affect the others.
I've worked for a state trial court and externed for a federal judge and the judges in both cases would alert parties when they saw a potential conflict.
"Given the extremely low likelihood of one Justice on a nine-member court being able to meaningfully impact the outcome of a case to pay back a favor to a litigant, even if he or she wanted to."
Yeah. When has one vote ever made a difference on the Supreme Court. That'd be impossible. And there would be no way a massive hedge fund manager deadling in massive amounts of sovereign debt could ever have a US Supreme Court case. That'd be crazy.
"this system has worked rather well. And, until Dobbs came along, it wasn’t particularly controversial."
Uh no it didn't. That's just what the justices want you to think. I looked at my old PR book which way predates Dobbs and it was highlighting the issue with SCOTUS not having ethics standards or binding recusal standards and showing academic criticism.
I agree with your argument about the infeasibility of the pie in the sky proposals for conflicts checks that people here want, but this is a terrible argument. It is not actually an extremely low likelihood that one member of a nine member court can meaningfully impact the outcome of a case. That's crazy talk.
Nor, of course, is that the standard.
Why is it infeasible? It's SCOTUS. They could hire a whole staff of ethics and conflicts counsel to go through these things. They could be walled off from the justices until they find a potential conflict.
Much of the information isn't available at all — how are you going to find all the members of an LLC, for instance, let alone all of the entities in which they have financial interests? — and there are closing in on 10,000 cert petitions a year.
(Yes, I realize that many of them are prisoner habeas petitions that don't really require the same level of due diligence. But there are still thousands of petitions to investigate. Many have multiple parties.)
My point, not very well articulated, was that the Court's current system of sniffing out conflicts is sufficient given how unlikely it is for a Justice to ever be in a position to deliver on a quid pro quo arrangement. A legislator who takes money from a lobbyist is in a direct position to vote the lobbyist's way on pending litigation. A trial court judge might be in a direct position to help a benefactor, who can choose where to file his or her case or knows that he is most likely to be sued in jurisdiction X. But a member of the court of last resort is only going to hear a case involving the benefactor if a whole bunch of things break the benefactor's way. And even if they do, there's always the chance that the outcome of the case is a slam dunk (as the case Pro Publica raised apparently was) or that the Justice is already pre-disposed to decide the case in the benefactor's favor due to his or her view of the law.
So if Mr. Singer gives Justice Alito a free trip to Alaska and back, he is damned unlikely to ever be in a position to derive an advantage from that gift. I realize this isn't the standard for whether or not to recuse in the event of a known potential conflict. But I'm saying it is relevant to deciding how much time and resources should be devoted to uncovering the kind of highly attenuated conflicts alleged here. In my opinion, creation of a new department of online sleuths working for the Court or individual justices is unwarranted not only because it would be a waste of money but because its absence is vanishingly unlikely to result in any successful gaming of the current system.
Rule 29(6) of the SCOTUS Rules:
The Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure have a very similar provision. FRAP 26.1 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frap/rule_26.1) as does Rule 7.1 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.
As you say, the onus in federal courts is on the parties to make disclosures, not for the judge to research who owns the parties. Anyone here who says otherwise is full of it or a partisan hack.
Why does it have to be that way? I mean it is an affirmative ethical duty of judges to avoid conflicts and the appearance of impropriety.
This was very helpful to understand the crux of the issue = the onus in federal courts is on the parties to make disclosures, not for the judge to research who owns the parties.
LOL wut?
Also, the wonderful thing about being the highest court in the land is that if the justices publicly disclosed things more, there are more then enough people willing and able to find the conflicts. The only thing stopping them is SCOTUS saying "you people don't deserve to know who's paying my bills".
It isn’t realistic to expect each of the Supreme Court Justices or their staffs to take to Google to scour the backgrounds of the parties to hundreds of cert petitions.
One problem with that argument.
If you go to Wikipedia, and look for NML Capital you will be redirected to Paul Singer. IOW, all the stuff about how hard it is to identify all the investors, etc., is nonsense, and Alito's excuse is utterly dishonest.
"And are you seriously claiming that reading that one sentence is all the research a Justice needs to do to determine if there is a conflict?"
That is all the research that ALL federal judges do, and the only research that is required by the federal rules at all three levels of federal courts. (Perhaps also bankruptcy courts, I have not checked that.)
As for Wikipedia, you are looking at that today, in 2023. What was there in 2013, when NML filed its first papers at SCOTUS (the opposition to the petition for cert.) Nor are SCOTUS justices required to look up every litigant in every cert. petition on Wikipedia.
That is all the research that ALL federal judges do, and the only research that is required by the federal rules at all three levels of federal courts. (Perhaps also bankruptcy courts, I have not checked that.)
Then I suggest the rule is absurd. If I start a company, and own 90% of the shares, and that company, not me, ends up a litigant in front of the Supreme Court, the Justices need never know that I am the owner.
If a partnership holds a greater than 10% stake, then no disclosure needed.
All SES level federal employees are required to keep a conflicts list, and update it yearly. It includes institutions, and principle/key employees of that institution.
And in my agency, in addition to self-conflicting out, the IG’s office spot checks and follows up on any reports.
SES-2 or above is required to put a conflicts disclaimer on the paperwork behind everything they sign out that it’s has been checked and has no conflicts.
If the Justices are going to claim self-policing is enough, pleading impracticability for isn’t going to cut it.
For a "legal" and "academic" blog, the Volokh Conspiracy attracts a remarkable concentration of uniformed and ignorant (but quite confident) commenters.
Catering to disaffected right-wingers seems to be the cause.
That certainly explains your superficial, mindless comments, AIDS. You never address the merits of any serious issue, because you can't. You've also spent years of your life trolling here, because you're a waste of human life.
Carry on, AIDS, till your American betters Breivik your loved ones.
Better Americans will impose adult supervision on the current Supreme Court. It's just another point along the familiar trajectory of the modern American culture war. The clingers dig in, attempting to defend the objectionable and stale, but it doesn't work, so they find another bigoted, corrupt, obsolete hill to die on.
Realistically, what needs to be fixed, Arthur?
SCOTUS makes their own rules, as they are an independent branch of government. It is hard for me to believe that all these billionaires are lining up to give justices freebies to obtain favorable verdicts. My view is that billionaires give trips (or other freebies) to Justices in more along the lines of a 'status symbol' to their peers.
Is this entire issue just a version of 'lawyer brain'? (see LTG definition upthread)
I expect Congress and the President to impose sensible, enforceable ethical standards on Supreme Court justices.
I do not expect most Volokh Conspiracy fans to understand.
Yes, explain to us unanointed ones how the Executive and the Legislative branches have the authority to tell the Supreme Court how to and not to act.
Wait… so you’re Steve Lubet?
And you think that's going to stop your Justices from being complete liars who make up results all the time to advance your politics of the moment, as Lubet's daughter regularly advocates?
You think those ethical standards are going to trick the American people into thinking that your highest court is any less of a tool for oligarchy -- even if that oligarchy has a liberal-progressive totalitarian global agenda?
For Blackman-Watchers, it’s been fascinating to see his ethical qualms over these stories numb and then disappear. It took Blackman over a week (maybe two) to roll out a Thomas defense after the initial disclosures – and it was tepid at best.
Subsequently his reaction time accelerated, from the story about Crow buying Thomas’ mother’s house (with the old lady still inside!), to Crow paying for the education of the the Justice’s ward. With the latter story, Blackman rushed a shrill defense out just hours after it appeared in print.
Now Blackman’s defense actually preceded the story itself (though he had help from Alito there). By this progression, I expect our favorite South Texas College professor will soon be defending right-wing ethical transgressions in the far distant future, aided by Ouija Boards or crystal balls.
but it's so valuable to hear this voice right? I'm so glad Volokh et al thought to themselves "selves, what if we gave space to a total narcissist garbage human that exemplifies everything wrong with populist conservatism?"
I believe you misjudge Prof. Volokh. I sense he knew precisely what he wanted and would get when he selected Josh Blackman (likely knowing Blackman would incline some of the better Conspirators to diminish or end their contributions to this blog).
Too bad you can't impeach Surpreme Court Judges
But you can. Its been done once before - see https://guides.loc.gov/federal-impeachment/samuel-chase#:~:text=In%201804%20Associate%20Justice%20Chase,accounts%20on%20March%201%2C%201805.
He wasn't convicted and removed, though.
I know that, trying to more gentler/kinder point out there's a mechanism for dealing with Judges committing crimes
Prof. Blackman's approach is probably correct, at least from a legal standpoint.
But judges are advised to avoid even the appearance of impropriety. And this "hospitality" is extremely valuable. Not many folks outside the top 1% are treated to private jet travel, and all-expense-paid trips to private hunting lodges.
Many years ago, I worked for a corporate client that asked whether it was legal to give a customer's chief purchasing officer tickets to the Super Bowl as hospitality. I was about to tell the client "sure" and my manager heard and quickly put the kibosh on my advice.
Sure, taking a client to a Lions-Jet game where tickets are $75 each is okay. But, $7500 tickets to the Super Bowl? The optics are entirely different. Such a large gift between 'friends' that is paid for by a for-profit company reeks of a kickback.
The justices and Prof Blackman are being exceptionally myopic on this issue.
Why is that a surprise? This rag does everything to protect the wealthy and connected and convince you that you're wrong to expect them to not be corrupt as hell.
How much do you people get paid to carry water for unethical SOBs?
JFC- this shouldn't even be at this point. Almost all of them are appearing to be corrupt and they still don't think they should have any ethics rules applied to them.
Toss all 9 and get new ones in with a maximum term of 6 years. SCOTUS is morally bankrupt already.
SWL
Bullshit.
"Singer was not listed as a party" in the briefs, and his name did not "appear in any of the corporate disclosure statements." Alito observed that it "would be utterly impossible . . . to search filings with the SEC or other government bodies to find the names of all individuals with a financial interest in every such entity."
Simple question. Was Elliott Management listed in the corporate disclosures? Paul Singer is not some random small investor here. He is the head of the whole thing, and a very well-known financial executive.
If his name didn't pop up it was because no one looked.
until fairly recently the ethics rules were reasonably understood to not require disclosing such "personal hospitality."
They did not exempt transportation from reporting requirements. Plus, it seems to me that a Justice trying to comply would not look for "reasonable" interpretations that let him sneak around the rules.
Yes, this was the most egregious part of Alito's defense. Straight up dissembling about how you do CoI.
This is absolutely correct. No one could plausibly say, "I didn't know my friend Mark Zuckerberg had anything to do with Facebook," or "I didn't know Warren Buffett had anything to do with Berkshire Hathaway." Suggesting that Justice Alito just didn't happen to know that Paul Singer was the principal of Elliott is nonsense: you personally might not know it, but anyone who was aware of the Argentina case — probably the most highly reported securities case of the last quarter century — certainly knew it. If not, what in the world did Justice Alito think that his new friend Mr. Singer did for a living?
This is sheer gobbledygook. It was not common knowledge that either Singer OR his company were involved in the Argentina case. It might have been known among the securities bar, but Alito is not part of that bar. The corporate disclosure stated that NML had no corporate parents that owned more than 10%, the standard in every federal court in the country.
Your analogy to Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg is specious, because there was no indication that the company was involved. "Everyone must have known" is after-the-fact BS.
I knew it.
Of course, I read real newspapers and tend to avoid the voices of the clingerverse.
The huckleberries at Zeke's Feed Store or Lower IQ Baptist Church might not have known, but I have a feeling Federalist Society insiders -- say, the headliners at major Federalist Society fundraisers -- were aware.
Justice Alito's efforts to feign ignorance and surprise in this context are pathetic. He would not fare well if held to the standards he eagerly imposes on others who might have engaged in misconduct.
The important point, however, is to focus on continuing the important work of sending most of Justice Alito's decisions and preferences to modern America's political and cultural landfill.
‘Of course, I read real newspapers and tend to avoid the voices of the clingerverse’.
So you don’t read American papers, AIDS? Good for you. Increasingly, well-educated, intelligent critically-minded, civilized people outside the USA are ignoring your propaganda rags too.
You lying, mindless twit. You have literally spent YEARS consciously seeking out such voices by, in the least, viewing and commenting upon this blog on an essentially daily basis. No one compels you to do so. You choose to do it. (It demonstrates to the world what a complete loser and moron you are.)
BoredLawyer: "This is sheer gobbledygook. It was not common knowledge that either Singer OR his company were involved in the Argentina case. It might have been known among the securities bar, but Alito is not part of that bar. "
1) Really? I suggest you run "nml Argentina lawsuit" through Google news and see what you find. Singer is mentioned by name in the first or second paragraph of virtually every article (and to be clear I am referring to the contemporaneous coverage of the case, not recent articles addressing this issue). NYT, WSJ, etc., etc.
2) Separately, it is hard to imagine that a Justice would accept such an invitation from a fantastically rich person without having any clue as to what that person does, if only to avoid obvious embarrassment. ("I must say, Mr. Corleone, you have a lovely home. The olive oil import business has served you well.")
3) The notion that Justices of the Supreme Court have a remote relationship with the securities bar is also puzzling. The Supreme Court takes a number of securities cases every year. Justice Frankfurter wrote the federal securities laws. Within living memory an SEC chair was on the bench (Justice Douglas). One could go on. It's a very significant part of the Court's work.
It was not common knowledge that either Singer OR his company were involved in the Argentina case.
Look up NML Capital on Wikipedia and you will be redirected to Paul Singer. IOW, a minimal five-second, effort to find out some details on NML would tell you it was a Singer operation.
The corporate disclosure stated that NML had no corporate parents that owned more than 10%,
First, where did you find it? I can't.
Second, this is hopelessly incomplete. What about partnerships, individuals, etc?
And why not the slightest effort make an independent inquiry? I mean, somebody owns it, somebody runs it, somebody (Paul Singer) founded it.
Here is an NYT oped on the case:
The companies involved included some of the best-known vulture funds, including NML Capital, a subsidiary of Elliott Management, a hedge fund co-led by Paul Singer,
Elliott Management is not Facebook nor Berkshire Hathaway.
Those are two of the most famous corporations in the world. Elliott Management is a name similar to hundreds, if not thousands, of obscure companies. What exactly does a "Management" company do?
Its like knowing who Joe Biden is but not some random Delaware legislator.
So Alito just happened to be on the plane of some billionaire and he didn’t even know what he did? How plausible is that? Unless he’s getting so on many planes from so many billionaires he can’t keep track.
Clingers are big on plausible deniability, whether it's a law professor slinging vile racial slurs or a Supreme Court justice accepting gifts worth more than many Americans' annual income, then deciding cases involving the benefactors and trying to conceal all of it.
Carry on, clingers. Until your betters draw the line you will toe.
Or about your presidential candidate keeping classified government data on her private servers.
Or about her and her party funding the Steele dossier.
Or about Russiagate.
Or about the Bidens' corruption in the Ukraine and China.
OR about the 2020 election shenanigans (implementing policies NO civilized Western democracy would do).
Carry on AIDS, till hundreds of thousands to millions of American Anders Breiviks hunt your family and everyone you love.
"he didn’t even know what he did"
No doubt Sam knew what Singer did. That is not the same as knowing the name of his company.
Do you know the name of every employer of your acquaintances?
No.
Thank you. Here is the link to the Respondent's opposition to the petition for cert in the Argentina v. NML Capital case:
http://sblog.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Brief-in-Opposition.pdf
All you have to do is scroll down to page 2, where you will see this:
So, Bernard, you are wrong. Try doing some actual research next time, before you make assertions.
So they clearly need to update the corporate disclosure rule because that is an astonishingly unhelpful statement given the circumstances.
Wikipedia is not infallible, not nearly, but this indicates the clingers' handwaving is disingenuous or uninformed bullshit:
No, B.L. I'm not wrong.
As I said,
"If his name didn’t pop up it was because no one looked."
Nobody looked. Not even for ten seconds.
Try doing some actual research next time, before you make assertions.
I did enough fucking research to learn that anyone looking for information about NML anywhere but in that one sentence "disclosure" would find Singer in a matter of seconds. That's way more than Alito or his staff did.
And are you seriously claiming that reading that one sentence is all the research a Justice needs to do to determine if there is a conflict? Really. My lawyer puts in more effort than that when an issue arises.
Liberals attacking legitimacy of Supreme Court = bad
Conservatives attacking legitimacy of the Department of Justice = good
What neither Prof. Blackman nor Justice Alito seems to get is how bad this all makes SCOTUS look.
And it was a completely unforced error.
"Justice Alito, I have a spot on my private jet for you."
"No thanks, I will fly commercial. I don't want to be seen as taking a very valuable gift from you."
That simple.
You flown commercial lately? it's like that scene from "Borat" even First Class doesn't get you away from the Hoi Polloi. And why aren't there Surpreme Court Jets like those that flit Lurch Kerry and Pete Booty-Judge around willy nilly?
Frank
I flew commercial two days ago. It was fine.
Did you fly to Alaska? I have flown there on commercial flights, and they were far from fine.
Earlier in the year I flew to Taipei commercial. It was fine too. The flight out changed at Hong Kong, which means the first leg was 15 hours. Once again, it was fine.
Coach?
Or if he couldn't resist or it was a genuine friendship thing he could be like: hey this billionaire gave me a free vacation, we need to make sure we recuse from cases his company is involved in in the future. Please flag all cases involving Elliot Management.
Try reading. There were no such cases where "Elliot Management" was disclosed as having anything to do with it.
But if a billionaire you barely knew gave a judge a free vacation and other perks wouldn't it be a good idea to make sure that you were not involved in his cases? And have your staff or outside counsel or someone make sure you aren't dealing with cases he has a direct financial interest in?
No. Given the volume of cases SCOTUS gets, that would require hiring numerous clerks to do such research. And even then, they might not find out. Alito references SEC filings in his WSJ article, but even those only cover public entities, not private ones.
And he did not give him a free vacation, he gave him a ride on his jet to a vacation sponsored by someone else.
And he did not give him a free vacation, he gave him a ride on his jet to a vacation sponsored by someone else.
From the pro publica article:
"Leonard Leo, the longtime leader of the conservative Federalist Society, attended and helped organize the Alaska fishing vacation. Leo invited Singer to join, according to a person familiar with the trip, and asked Singer if he and Alito could fly on the billionaire’s jet. Leo had recently played an important role in the justice’s confirmation to the court. Singer and the lodge owner were both major donors to Leo’s political groups."
I couldn't tell who paid for the room, Singer, Leo, or the lodge owner (who was also a conservative donor). But it basically looks like a bunch of conservative activists conspiring together to give a SCOTUS a free luxury vacation.
Hardly exculpatory.
It seems to be entirely exculpatory from the perspective of disaffected, bigoted right-wingers butthurt by the course of the modern American culture war.
So... your side in the American culture war are rapists?
Is that OK when the right/better/correct people do it?
It wouldn't be a good idea to make sure the rich person giving you gifts isn't trying to influence you? Is that really what you're saying?
"No. Given the volume of cases SCOTUS gets, that would require hiring numerous clerks to do such research. And even then, they might not find "
Okay. This is just hilariously dumb considering the larger context of SCOTUS operations. So it is apparently just fine for 9 justices and 36 clerks to review thousands of petitions for cert a year for substantive issues. Some of which are highly complex cases with lengthy briefing and lower court opinions touching on a wide variety of issues that the clerks and justices might lack familiarity with. This is in addition to their duties regarding working on merits cases that involve complex legal questions or things like: establishing a definitive original public meaning based on massive historical records or dealing with complex scientific matters.
But it would be too hard to have a well-staffed ethics office to do brief reports on the parties coming to the court? I'm sorry but that's the dumbest shit ever.
No. Given the volume of cases SCOTUS gets, that would require hiring numerous clerks to do such research. And even then, they might not find out. Alito references SEC filings in his WSJ article, but even those only cover public entities, not private ones.
So with a public corporation it's part of the procedure to look at SEC filings. Good, because that will tell you more than the disclosure statement. But for a private entity it's OK to just shrug and make zero effort to learn more?
That doesn't much sense.
If you don't look you don't see.
Please flag all cases involving Harvard, so Justice Kagan will know to recuse.
That wouldn't be hard and I would have no problem with her recusing.
Yet she does not so recuse.
Its like justices don't subscribe to your holier than thou views on recusal.
They do not, nor should they = Its like justices don’t subscribe to your holier than thou views on recusal.
Yeah they don’t. That’s a problem.
What neither Prof. Blackman nor Justice Alito seems to get is how bad this all makes SCOTUS look.
Wrong.
They understand, they just don't care.
Either way, this debate over whether Alito's trip on private plane to a luxury resort violated the rules at the time (which he doesn't actually quote for obvious reasons) misses the point.
What's been the Conservative judicial freakout for the past few decades? That the moment a "reliably conservative" judge goes from auditioning for the SCOTUS to actually being on the SCOTUS they stop being reliably conservative.
So what's the fix? The moment they get confirmed have foundations and friendly billionaires start showering them with "hospitality" with the clear, but (probably) unspoken understanding that the hospitality is dependent on them continuing to be reliable conservative.
I mean three different Conservative justices have sold property to political activists or heads of law firms, a pretty trivial way to throw someone a few extra tens of thousands or more.
Sure, private real estate transactions happen, but three separate Conservative justices selling to questionable purchasers? That looks a lot like Conservative activists have a mechanism for throwing some good will to the justices.
It doesn't matter if these billionaires and foundations have cases before the court (though it looks like the fishing trip guy was trying to butter up Alito for that reason). The whole point is to make sure that the Justices realize that their luxurious life is predicated on them continuing to support the cause.
Well, not until their betters impose adult supervision.
With guns?
Just kidding, target practice.
In the meantime, another associate justice turns down a gift basket with lox and bagels in it from high school friends due to ethics concerns.
But of course since that is a “liberal” justice it doesn’t count, of it does count it doesn’t merit more attention than contempt. Because it is Alito that is “saving” the court’s reputation.
So Kagan is dumb.
Find any interesting typos in those downscale residential deeds you proofread for a living in can't-keep-up, Ohio?
Is that really why you went to law school?
Does calling someone else dumb ease your career disappointment and political sadness?
Does making fun of your fellow countrymen and your faith in their cultural inferiority help you to reaffirm your faith in the superiority of your multiculti egalitarianism? If you had any brains and any understanding of basic logic you'd see why it shows the falsity and hypocrisy of your core values.
How much better will the world be when your values are gone and your American betters Breivik family? (Don't worry, AIDS, your own answer to that question is just as worthless as you are.)
A basic problem with lawyers having too much influence over policy is a problem as old as Plato’s Socrates as depicted in the Gorgias.
Lawyers’ job is fundamentally rhetoric, picking the side they advocate for in advance and coming up with any possible argument favoring that side that they hope might convince. They aren’t paid to think about which side has the best argument. They are paid to advance the position of the side that pays them.
It’s one thing when that’s done in limited contexts, like trials, where it’s important to preserve the rights of the accused. It’s a problem when business is run that way. Convincing others is a lot in business, but it isn’t everything. Businesses ultimately lose and fail, like society generally, if they back something that just doesn’t work. It is, however, at least understandable that people in business do their jobs, including advocacy, to make money.
The problem is that the hired advocate has completely taken over society, become the norm not just for trials and businesses but for all of life, pushing over the traditional social institutions that had an ethical code, whether or not always observed, of considering the actual truth of matters, the public interest and welfare, etc.
Not only a society where people are so greedy they lie to each other whenever it temporarily advantages them is not a society that can expect to live lomg. But even a slightly less greedy ssociety, where people twist the truth to just a technical hair short of an outright lie, is still one that cannot expect to long endure.
You are, IMHO, correct. Which makes it a major problem that the majority of politicians, of legislators, are lawyers. It is not conducive to a search for truth and cooperation.
I agree with much of this.
Among other things, Josh is leaning hard on the passive voice to avoid giving attribution. This is because he is a liar who makes things up.
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This allows for willful ignorance: "I did not recuse myself from Amazon v Doe because I did not know that Jeff Bezos was affiliated with Amazon and his name appears nowhere in the docket".
Amazon is a little better well known than the generic named Elliot Management.
Alito: It would be "utterly impossible" to determine whether a wealthy benefactor had business before the Court.
ProPublica: "Hold my beer."
Professor Blackman isn't a dumb man.
But his posts are consistently low quality. Criticizing the "media" is just lacking substance. There is right-wing media as well as left-wing media. Is Blackman criticizing Fox News for not digging up facts that would constitute a "defense" of Justice Alito?
It isn't clear. In general, the quality of Blackman's posts are low, because he is consistently unclear.
I believe that Blackman should lose his posting privileges to the Volokh Conspiracy until he commits to take the time to do more thoughtful work. I am getting tired of his consistently low quality work, which is often infected by a sort of insecure egomania, as it detracts from the quality of this very excellent blog that I have visited and commented on for more than 20 years now.
I think Prof. Blackman should post more at the Volokh Conspiracy.
I like this blog to be as shitty as possible.
Mostly because I don't like bigots.
Yes, we know all about your self-loathing, AIDS. That's why you spend so much time on this blog rather than ever accomplishing anything worthwhile.
While professor Blackmun is not dumb, he is easily the Volokh poster with the least intellectual heft. It isn't so much that he is "unclear" but rather that his posts are mostly superficial. I can't remember a single post of his (most of which are forgettable) that contain anything that might be said to contain an "insight." In short, while I can respect but disagree with other conspirators, with Blackmun, not so much. It may be that he doesn't do the work, but my suspicion is that he doesn't have the tools. His main talent seems to be self-promotion that gets him TV and radio gigs, and his posts are at about that "popular audience" level, instead of what one would expect from a "legal" blog.
If he had appeared on the blog recently, I'd suspect him of being a chatbot, set to uncritically spew the most recent conservative legal views. I can read the popular press for that.
Here's the part of Alito's argument that troubles me: he conflates the two issues raised (recusal, and disclosure) in disingenuous ways. His position (per the op/ed he published) is that he barely knows Singer and therefore didn't need to recuse. That might be true. But if that's true, then arguing that the flight was personal hospitality that did not need to be disclosed was bullshit even if transportation were considered a "facility," which itself sounds like bullshit.¹ In contrast, Thomas claimed that he and Crow were close personal friends, which is why the hospitality-related gifts did not need to be disclosed. Alito's interpretation — that a random stranger providing hospitality didn't need to be disclosed — is unreasonable.
¹Alito's argument was that the dictionary uses the phrase "transportation facilities." But the existence of that phrase absolutely does not mean that a means of transportation itself is a facility. It is absolutely false that "in ordinary … usage, the term [facilities] encompasses means of transportation." Nobody would call an airplane a "facility" in ordinary usage.
To be clear, at the end of the day I do not think that a single seat on a plane provided in 2008 requires recusal on a case in 2014. But disclosure is a different issue.
Honestly, this.
Recusal is it's own question. But if we don't get the disclosure, we don't even know when to ask it.
I sense we are going to learn more -- perhaps much more -- that justices such as Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas (and related persons, such as Ginni Thomas and Leonard Leo) concealed.
That's an obvious lie coming from one of the more retarded commentators who thought there were Russians under her bed for two years.
"I want to believe (so long as it fits my priors)!"
- white shitlibs
You know, you can just ask to be muted. You don't have to earn it.
Maybe the Russians did it?
(Get it? Because you're an idiot conspiracy theorist)
Only conclusion I can draw is that Blackman does not concern himself with the ethics of his profession. Presumably this is passed along to his students.
You can't tell the difference between a man and a woman. You're in no position to criticize anyone
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I'm sure all this liberal angst over ethics has no ulterior motive. Nope, they respect Alito and Thomas and don't want to force a resignation so Biden can replace them.
Nope, just pure concern.
You know that not everyone is as morally and ethically challenged as you, right?
Hilarious to hear a lawyer invoking "morals".
There is an ulterior motive, and it is patently obvious.
If you are talking about Leonard Leo, Paul Singer, Samuel Alito, Rob Arkley, Clarence Thomas, Harlan Crow, and players to be named later as the justices' attempts to conceal information continue to falter, that is a surprisingly strong comment.
Don't do partisan telepathy to find bad faith in the other side.
Down that road lies an ideological bubble, if not worse.
Plenty of non-liberals here not thrilled with what Alito is doing, and especially looking in askance at the op-ed, which includes some arguments about conflicts checking that Alito should know are not true.
If you choose to declare it all a plot and go to the mattresses, you can, but your refusal to engage is more about you than those making the argument.
So what? You're going to defend highly dodgy and unethical behaviour because your poliics demands it? Of course you are. You'll just say the other side does it too, the basic touchstone of moral bankruptcy being 'they did it first.'
Let's not forget that former justice Scalia was a trendsetter in this sordid context.
Does conservatism generate judges with sketchy ethics or merely attract them?
Your American 'liberal' and 'progressive' judges have spent the greater part of a century consistently lying so badly that their analogues in other countries now not only completely ignore them, but also define what they do in contradistinction to them. So, does being a 'liberal' or 'progressive' judge in the USA require being a complete sociopath, or is that just who gets appointed to the jobs?