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Smart Home System = Home System That Amazon Can Mess With If It Doesn't Like What You Say?
From a Medium post by Brandon Jackson, a Microsoft engineer:
Wednesday, May 31, 2023, I finally regained access to my Amazon account after an unexpected and unwarranted lockout that lasted nearly a week, from Thursday, May 25. This wasn't just a simple inconvenience, though. I have a smart home, and my primary means of interfacing with all the devices and automations is through Amazon Echo devices via Alexa. This incident left me with a house full of unresponsive devices, a silent Alexa, and a lot of questions.
I do want to note that since I host many of my own local services and many devices are local only. I only lost the ability to use Alexa. My home was fine as I just used Siri or locally hosted dashboard if I wanted to change a light's color or something of that nature. However, this was a huge over reaction and I'm hoping we as consumers get more protections and will truly be able to own our devices….
The sequence of events that led to this digital exile began innocuously enough. A package was delivered to my house on Wednesday, May 24, and everything seemed fine. The following day, however, I found that my Echo Show had signed out, and I was unable to interact with my smart home devices….
[I] received an email … from an executive at Amazon…. When I connected with the executive, they asked if I knew why my account had been locked. When I answered I was unsure, their tone turned somewhat accusatory. I was told that the driver who had delivered my package reported receiving racist remarks from my "Ring doorbell" (it's actually a Eufy, but I'll let it slide)….
Here's where things got even more baffling. First, I have multiple cameras recording everything that happens on my property. If the driver's claims were accurate, I could easily verify them with video footage. Second, most delivery drivers in my area share the same race as me and my family. It seemed highly unlikely that we would make such remarks. Finally, when I asked what time the alleged incident occurred, I realized it was practically impossible for anyone in my house to have made those comments, as nobody was home around that time (approximately 6:05 PM).
I reviewed the footage and confirmed that no such comments had been made. Instead, the Eufy doorbell had issued an automated response: "Excuse me, can I help you?" The driver, who was walking away and wearing headphones, must have misinterpreted the message. Nevertheless, by the following day, my Amazon account was locked, and all my Echo devices were logged out.
Here's the customer video follow-up; he notes that, though he had his items configured so that (starting at around 4:18) "if something did fail I have fallbacks," "I wrote this from the perspective of someone who didn't do all of that; what if they bought their Alexa, they bought some smart lights, they bought a smart garage opener … and that's it—if they did lose access to their Alexa, they wouldn't be able to control their other stuff."
When I e-mailed Amazon for their story, I got a prompt response, within three hours:
Amazon statement attributable to Simone Griffin, an Amazon spokesperson: "We work hard to provide customers with a great experience while also ensuring drivers who deliver Amazon packages feel safe. In this case, we learned through our investigation that the customer did not act inappropriately, and we're working directly with the customer to resolve their concerns while also looking at ways to prevent a similar situation from happening again."
So Amazon does seem to acknowledge that the blocking of the Amazon account (and thus the logging out of the Echo devices) happened—and indeed that, if the customer did "act inappropriately" and made the delivery person "feel [un]safe," their policy would indeed be do this. I asked them a follow-up:
Say someone does say something racist, sexist, anti-religious, anti-gay, anti-trans, etc. to an Amazon delivery person. Would Amazon then block the customer's access to Amazon's smart home technology?
I got no response, in the last three days. I also asked yesterday:
I appreciate the importance of protecting the safety of the drivers, but do you have guidelines about which actions, statements, or displays by customers would justify cutting off services? For instance, say a customer is displaying a Confederate flag on his home, or has political statements that disapprove of gay rights or trans rights, or sharply criticize particular religious groups; would that suffice, or is your policy limited to slurs said specifically to the driver?
(By way of comparison, note that, according to news accounts, some tech companies, such as Airbnb, terminate user accounts just because they believe they 'are members of or are actively affiliated with hate groups," and the term "hate groups" is of course itself quite vague and potentially broad.) I got no response.
Here's my view: I appreciate Amazon's desire to protect their drivers, including from personal insults. If, for instance, Amazon says "if you say rude things to our drivers, we'll stop delivering to you," that might be reasonable (though one would hope that the policy would be narrow and clear, and would ask the customer for his side of the story before cutting off deliveries, at least absent outright violence or threats of violence). But it's hard for me to see how this can justify cutting off access to the Amazon account as a whole.
Of course, Amazon, as a private company, isn't legally barred from cutting off such access (so long as its user agreement provides for this), under current law. But I think all of us should think many times before turning over control of our homes to companies who claim the right to cut us off at any moment.
I like technology. I like, in principle, the value that can be provided by products that are connected to the supplier, and not just stand-alone toasters, light switches, cars, etc.
But I don't like empowering companies to police my morals, politics, and speech, especially when it comes to things that help run my home. And if a company assured me—in a legally binding contract—that it would continue providing its services regardless of my supposed politics or alleged speech (again, perhaps with narrow exclusions for services that require interactions with staff, if I were to insult or threaten those staff members), that would make me much more willing to deal with it.
For some analysis on a related subject, see my new article, The Reverse Spider-Man Principle: With Great Responsibility Comes Great Power.
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The courts really ought to ban as unconscionable any contract that allows the likes of Amazon to do this. Yet ultimately the homeowner caused this problem. It is idiotic to buy, install, or keep any technology which allows strangers to interfere in your control of your own things.
We — and I include myself — should do our part to dismantle as much of the Panopticon as already exists by weaning ourselves off smartphones, banks, and any other products or services that make our lives more public than they absolutely have to be.
Anyone who allows Amazon or any tech company to have this much control over them deserves what happens to them. Manual keys and locks still work better than any alternative. I am an early adopter of a lot of tech going back many years, but I can't see the need to have Siri or Alexa do any thing for me.
I agree.
I'd love to have cameras that I could access via password-protected IP addresses, and in snow country it is nice to have something tell you (or you be able to check) that your furnace has gone into error mode and shut down -- as you still have 12/24 hours before your pipes freeze.
But there is no way in hell that i'd ever let any private company have the powers that Amazon does.
And as to ordering from those folk, I do not approve of the way they treat their employees. So this purported defense of their driver's feelings is priceless. They stage ambulances outside some of their sorting buildings to carry away the bodies of injured employees -- and we are worried about hurt feelings?!?
Indeed, but it goes even further than that. Consider that you also watched them cut off Parlor from contracted services based on the same type of small print in their terms of service. You would be foolish to have Amazon technology in your home. You would be twice as foolish to use Amazon AWS for any business function.
I am amazed they haven't provoked a Bud Light/Target style backlash yet.
"I am amazed they haven’t provoked a Bud Light/Target style backlash yet."
Those two have competitors, e.g. Coors & Walmart. Amazon essentially has a monopoly, there isn't a large competitor to go to.
And this is where we need Red State AGs to start bringing anti-trust actions.
A wide range of products today have functionality that COULD be self-contained, or local, deliberately routed through remote servers. This is never done in the interest of the customer. It's done so that a purchase can be converted into a rental, and that's the best case scenario.
Good afternoon, Professor. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but any minute now Drackman will show up and annoy us with the racist, vulgar, homophobic, misogynistic, hateful comments that he is known for. History tells us that you apparently don't mind that he is ruining your blog by dragging it through the sewer. But some of us recall when it was possible for educated people with legal backgrounds to have interesting, challenging, and cordial debates on the VC without having to be concerned about how long it will be before illiterate, inarticulate bigots like Drackman and a couple of others hijack the conversation.
Are you kidding? Eugene is practically advocating for people like Drackman, here. These are the people he finds common cause with.
Wow.
You really are a bad person.
I recall at one time the ACLU made common cause with Nazis... by your definition, anyway.
For such situations, I recommend using the "Mute User" feature, which I indeed use as to several commenters. That leaves it to each reader to decide whose comments he wants to see and whose he doesn't. I generally don't ban users for their viewpoints, which would require me to decide which viewpoints are too "bigoted" to allow, or for that matter which views are too "illiterate" or "inarticulate" to allow.
I do sometimes delete vulgar personal insults, and block people who continue to post them. Perhaps Mr. Drackman does include vulgar personal insults, but I don't read his comments, so I wouldn't know.
I'm surprised that the proprietor and namesake of this site, which you have always treated as having putatively special value for academics and journalists, would be so disinterested in the quality of its commenting base. It's one thing to recommend self-help to your regular commenters; it's another thing to invite clerks and colleagues to peruse the VC, where posts attract so much vitriol.
Are you aware that you have commenters advocating for political violence, in the comments that your posts receive?
SimonP: When people read the comments, they're going to see the views of the commenters. Those aren't my views, and I'd rather not police them to try to make sure they match my views, or some set of views of which I approve. Among other things, such policing would actually justify the perception that the comments that remain are ones that I endorse, a perception that I would rather diminish than increase.
That's also true of comments supporting political violence. I personally strongly oppose such violence as a general matter, but there is of course a great deal of debate about it -- see, e.g., "No Justice No Peace"; praise of certain kinds of riots as legitimate rebellion; Communist advocacy, which I abhor but which I don't want to police; John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, etc.; and more. And even when the calls for violence are clearly unjustified, knowing that there are such calls and seeing their details may help readers understand how to fight them. Analogously, as a Jew, I'd rather that people saw the anti-Semitism that does exist in certain corners than to have it hidden away.
Naturally, if you don't want to go the trouble of even clicking on "Mute User," there's always the remedy of not reading the comments. And if you are reluctant to recommend our posts to your clerks and colleagues because of the fear that they might read the comments and be upset by them, I suppose we'll have to live without your recommendations.
Don’t censor for civility, get criticized.
Do censor for civility, get criticized. There’s a guy with a long grudge who’ll appear shortly, no doubt.
I suppose that sounds reasonable on a superficial level. But by muting your own commenters you’re encouraging them to continue to dig deeper and deeper cesspools. As an experiment, try the unmute button for a week or two and count the number of times the “n” word pops up each day. I am not suggesting that you stifle opinions. But do you really want your students and colleagues and the students and colleagues of your co-conspirators to think that you endorse the anti-women, anti-black, anti-gay, anti-Muslim garbage that commonly pops up in each thread? I stay because I miss the days when reasonably intelligent people with differing opinions could debate issues without feeling as if they had to take a shower afterwards. You have the apparent ability to fix this. Your hands-off approach isn’t working. Try.
MoreCurious: Now you have me curious. Are you suggesting that I just stop commenters from calling each other "nigger"? I actually would bar vulgar personal insults like that, but indeed I don't always read all the comments even by people whom I don't mute.
Or are you suggesting that I ban all "anti-women, anti-black, anti-gay, anti-Muslim garbage"? Also anti-white, anti-male, and anti-Catholic views? What about reasonable criticisms of Islam, Catholicism, etc.? Are those OK because they aren't "garbage"?
My preference is to avoid getting into this, and leaving it to all our commenters. This isn't because I endorse those views; indeed, as I mentioned, if I start policing various views, then it would be sensible for people to infer that I endorse the ones that I don't delete.
Maybe I'm mistaken, but that's the way I do things here. It's unfortunate that this isn't working for you, but there are of course many other fora in which the operators "try" to police user posts more, with varying degrees of success (under varying measures of success).
They are not "views," Professor. Drackman and some others contribute nothing that by any stretch of the imagination can be called opinions. They go out of their way to be as offensive as possible and to engage in personal attacks on other commenters. Leaving it to the commenters to police themselves strikes me as a cop-out. When you started the V.C. -- which began as an interesting forum -- I don't suppose it was your intention to cede control to people whose idea of an opinion is to do their best to degrade and demean others. And yes, anyone who uses the word "nigger" to insult or attack another person should be permanently banned. And if you used your unmute button, you would see it multiple times a week, especially on Thursdays and now Mondays.
Fuck you nigger.
Any other forbidden words?
Mute or ignore me but don't blame EV because you're a weanie with a sensitive disposition.
Brilliant, Bumble! Thanks for proving my point so eloquently!
You just don't get it.
What is there to get? He perfectly illustrated how you would rather complain for someone else to take action for everyone at your behest, than for you to solve your own problem with a single click while leaving everybody else alone.
Who is this addressed to?
Oops -- meant for the other guy, MoreCurious.
Then why don't you use the mute button? If Frank's comments are do insulting and useless, why not just skip them, either by recognizing his handle and not reading the comment or by clicking the mute button?
There's something decidedly creepy about wanting the blog poster to delete the comments you don't like, as if you think you control the blog and the blog owner is your servant.
Mute. It's one click and done.
Done.
Mute is a bandaid on the problem. Commenters like Kirkland and Drackman and a few others are pollution. (I think I'm mixing metaphors now.) Making it so you can't read what they write doesn't change the fact that they're polluting the comment space; other people do reply to them, and it can hijack the entire thread.
MoreCurious: As you might gather, I don't closely read all the 1000-odd comments that I get on the open threads (or on some other threads, though it various by post), even setting aside the commenters I've muted. But if there are particular comments where people are engaging in vulgar personal insults (racist or otherwise) -- actual insults, and not some misplaced attempts at parody or the like -- please feel free to let me know (please include a copy of the relevant comment). As I mentioned, I do have a no-vulgar-personal-insult policy for the comments, and I'm fine enforcing that, so long as it doesn't require me to constantly read everything that's posted.
Thank you. A good starting point would be the comment a short time ago when Mr. Bumble called me the “n” word.
He called you a weenie too.
I'm pretty sure he wasn't actually calling you that, in the context of the thread; I think, in this particular context, it was just a sort of rhetorical defiance (though, to be sure, pretty foolish and pointless). But in any event, I think your "Brilliant, Bumble! Thanks for proving my point so eloquently!" suggests that in this particular case even you viewed his comment as advancing the discussion (even if inadvertently) more than interfering with it.
Again, if there really is genuine use of vulgar personal insults, please let me know.
Well, that's certainly a creative interpretation of the exchange between Bumble and me. But the encouraging news is that you and I managed to have a discussion without either one of us calling the other names. Maybe there's a reason to hope.
Eugene, Drackman is a special case I think you should make an exception for. It's not just bigotry which I and others tolerate. It's all the vile filth he relentlessly attaches to it. Do us all a favor and ban the prick.
Uh huh. And once that head's on a platter, thus emboldened you'll start braying about the next one on your list.
As Eugene has eloquently and patiently said many more times than he should ever have to, there's a mechanism in place that assures you fragile flowers don't have to read any particular poster that offend your tender sensibilities.
That you instead prefer to endlessly whine about why people are "allowed" to continue making posts that you can easily avoid seeing shows us everything we need to know about your true intentions.
Brian,
Maybe. Maybe that would happen. But I rather think not. Note that there is essentially zero calls for pretty much anyone else here to be banned. Not on the left and not on the right. With all of the hysterical name-calling flying around here; people are not calling for bans. Or, at least, no serious attempts to work as an organized group to get you to ban [Fill in the name of your particular offender.]
The Mute function works fine for me. Frank was muted by me on day one or day two of his posts. But I don't find anything concerning about people complaining together about a particular poster. I find Eugene's rationale convincing, but it's a healthy debate to have with people who are not convinced.
[I'll also note that--as I understand it--on the extraordinarily-rare times when Eugene has banned someone; he didn't "announce" it. It just sort of quietly happened. So, I think this too dramatically reduces the likelihood that, if Frank (or anyone else) were some day to be banned, that the news would spread like wildfire and galvanize the Left/Right to expand the purge.]
"Note that there is essentially zero calls for pretty much anyone else here to be banned."
Sure, now. But back when people were "banned" more or less regularly, there were lots of calls for people to be banned.
The moment you ban somebody as beyond the pale, the worst guy around, the pale moves, and somebody else becomes the worst guy around.
I've seen where that dynamic leads, and I'd rather not get started down that road.
Well said. A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.
So you’re not satisfied with the professor providing free content, you guys are demanding that he provide free comment moderation as well?
Talk about chutzpah.
What have you guys done for him?
I comply with his rules when he censors me.
I also have tried to avoid the conclusion that he is a bigot-hugging hypocrite, a disingenuous censor, and a partisan coward. But I have failed.
He also is very smart, well-connnected, and a hard worker. I sense he should receive some slack because he appears to have serious on-the-spectrum issues. On the other hand, his abuse of UCLA’s franchise is deplorable.
Frank et al are probably too busy disconnecting their smart home devices before they get locked out to comment on this post.
heh
"Open the pod bay doors, Alexa."
"I'm sorry, Dave, your Amazon account has been locked." just doesn't have the same ring.
But I bet this homeowner won't ever leave his space suit helmet behind.
I'd take the bleeping door off it's hinges. I'm a former volunteer firefighter, I know how to -- trust me.
And what idiot doesn't have a manual override on everything? It's like cruise control on a vehicle, yes, it *can* get more MPG than I can, and I might even use it when I'm north of Bangor, but I want the control. It's one thing for me to set up a feedback loop -- i.e. thermostat controlling the furnace, and I can even deal with it being on a timer that I can reset/override, but beyond that, NO!!!
Somebody needs to watch 2001. And Dave did actually implement a manual solution to reenter the spaceship.
Original Star Trek taught us that manual override is often used by the bad guys (but maybe Dr Ed 2 would root for them).
I've always thought it wasn't really your home until you knew how to break into it without causing any damage.
This action of Amazon's is emblematic of a widespread problem in the tech industry, really the left in general. It's widespread in the tech industry because the left has gotten dominance over it, you see it in every area they control.
They really do believe, as the Church once did, that "error has no rights". That once you've identified somebody as guilty of wrongthink, it is impossible to violate their rights, because they have none. (It's hardly surprising how often this attitude has led to the gulag and the death camp.)
But even from this warped viewpoint, Amazon's action was especially egregious on account of how little evidence they required before bringing down the ban hammer.
The true irony of the modern Leftist that advocates censorship and exclusion is that the Great Causes they claim to love - women's rights, black civil rights, gay rights - were all successful because a small minority pushed an unpopular opinion long enough to persuade others.
Makes you wonder if they'd be the ones arresting Suffragettes, releasing the dogs, and standing with the police at Stonewall, if only they'd been born sooner.
Given your history of fabulation, why would anyone ever do that?
Skynet told me Alexa never makes mistakes.
After a 45 year career as a programmer, I don't let computers do anything I can't override.
Speaking hypothetically, if you know that someone made a damaging accusation of racism against you, that would be useful information if the accusation (hypothetically) is false and you want to sue for defamation.
I forgot – you can’t sue someone just for calling you a racist because what *is* racism, anyway? Maybe you can sue more narrowly for an accuser saying you made such-and-such racist statement at such-and-such a time to an employee of a company you do business with.