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Justices Gorsuch and Alito have diametrically opposite perspectives on Indian Tribes
Earlier this month, I overheard a conversation during a trip to Florida. A woman on vacation from Ohio was complaining that the Cleveland baseball team changed its name from the Indians to the Guardians. She stated, without any sense of irony, that "natives did not want to change the name." Of course she was referring to baseball fans in Cleveland, who did favored the Indians name--that is, the "native" people in Ohio. I do not think she realized that the people who favored the name change were, quite literally, natives! That is, Native Americans who objected to the Indian name and logo. And, to be precise, there were natives in present-day Ohio before there were white settlers. Still, the people who had the closest connection with the baseball team objected to intermeddling by tribes who cared little for the team's history, but instead, were promoting non-baseball goals that were important to the tribes.
This conversation neatly sums up the dispute between Justice Gorsuch and Justice Alito in Brackeen. (I swear, this conversation actually happened--I couldn't make it up if I tried.)
Let's start with Justice Alito, who is, after all, a big baseball fan. (I do not know if Justice Gorsuch is celebrating the Nuggets' victory.) His dissent states, clearly, that ICWA "subordinat[es] what family-court judges—and often biological parents—determine to be in the best interest of a child to what Congress believed is in the best interest of a tribe." Alito discusses in heart-string-tugging detail the cases of the poor children who were plucked from their loving adoptive families by the meddling tribes. Indeed, one of the children was placed with a maternal grandmother, "who had lost her foster license due to a criminal conviction." Alito is clearly on the side of the adopted parents, and not the tribes. And, for good measure, Justice Alito jabs the tribes in Footnote 1:
The state of affairs on many Indian reservations, however, does not speak well of the way in which these duties have been discharged by this putative trustee. See, e.g., U. S. Commission on Civil Rights, Broken Promises: Continuing Federal Funding Shortfall for Native Americans102–107, 135–138, 156–157, 165–166 (Dec. 2018) (discussing poor performance of students in tribal schools, substandard housing and physical infrastructure on reservations, and high rates of unemployment amongIndians living on reservations).
Why mention these statistics? Alito suggests that these vulnerable children will be placed on reservations where they will be subject to poor living conditions. In other words, the Tribes have not lived up to their ends of the bargain. The implication: better for the kids to stay with non-Indian parents who can serve the best interest of the child.
I suspect Justices Thomas and Alito would contend that the tribes intervening in ICWA cases are not doing so to preserve the best interest of the children--many of whom have no actual connections to Tribes--but instead to promote broader notions of tribal autonomy, in the abstract. To use a phrase from the opinion, the children are mere commodities.
Also on Thursday, the Supreme Court decided Lac du Flambeau Band of Lake Superior Chippewa Indians v. Coughlin. The question presented concerned abrogation of tribal sovereign immunity. But the facts do not paint the Band in particularly favorable light. Coughlin, the plaintiff, took a payday loan from Lendgreen, which is ostensibly operated by the Indian tribe. Coughlin declared bankruptcy, which should have triggered an automatic stay against further collection efforts. But Lendgreen did not stop. Justice Jackson explained, "Coughlin alleges that Lendgreen was so aggressive in its efforts to contact him and collect the money that he suffered substantial emotional distress, and at one point, even attempted to take his own life."
Justice Thomas's dissent suggests that tribal immunity has led to tribal impunity:
Finally, this Court's tribal immunity doctrine continues to artificially exempt tribes from generally applicable laws.I warned nearly a decade ago that tribal immunity "will continue to invite problems, including de facto deregulation of highly regulated activities; unfairness to tort victims; and increasingly fractious relations with States and individuals alike." Id., at 825. This is a case in point. In order to avoid state payday loan regulation, "payday lenders . . . often arrange to share fees or profits with tribes so they can use tribal immunity as a shield for conduct of questionable legality." Ibid. Petitioners here rely on tribal immunity to avoid not only state but also federal payday loan regulation.They further seek to leverage this immunity to pursue respondent on his debt while other creditors' collection efforts are stayed. Tribal immunity thus creates a pathway to circumvent vast swaths of both state and federal laws.
Again, I suspect that Justices Thomas and Alito are skeptical of claims to tribal sovereignty in light of how they exercise that autonomy: business interests that rely on exemptions from generally-applicable state and federal laws, such as gambling, payday lending, and sale of alcohol and tobacco, to say nothing about violent Indian criminal defendants who will not actually be prosecuted by Indian tribes post-McGirt.
Framing matters at the Supreme Court. If you read Justice Gorsuch's concurrence in Brackeen, you would think that ICWA is an essential law to preserve Native American culture and the future of the tribes. Part I of his dissent warns about the "existential threat to the continued vitality of Tribes." But if you read Justice Alito's dissent, you would think that ICWA forces states to surrender vulnerable non-Indian children to poorly-run tribes. On the Supreme Court, and all courts, framing is very important.
One final note. Many media accounts have focused on the fact that Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Barrett have adopted children, which may help explain their vote. But lost in this narrative, as usual, is Justice Thomas. He was de facto adopted by his grandfather and grandmother. Thomas moved from his birthplace of Pin Point, Georgia, which was steeped in Gullah culture, to a much larger city, Savannah, where he was able to obtain a formal education, and start his path to the Supreme Court. (You may have read about that home in Savannah.) Later, Justice Thomas de facto adopted his grandnephew to give him a better life. I would think Justice Thomas's life experiences may have some relevance here. But as usual, he is ignored.
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“A woman on vacation from Ohio was complaining that the Cleveland baseball team changed its name from the Indians to the Guardians. She stated, without any sense of irony, that “natives did not want to change the name.” Of course she was referring to baseball fans in Cleveland, who did favored the Indians name–that is, the “native” people in Ohio.”
Um, no. “A 2016 Washington Post poll showed that 9 out of 10 Native Americans had no problem with the Washington Redskins as a team name. The NFL franchise has since dropped Redskins from its name, of course, and is currently the Washington Football Team.
A 2019 poll, also from the Post, found that Native Americans picked the word “proud” first regarding the Redskins team name. Overall, across the country, just 29 percent favored changing the Redskins name.”https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/564657-cleveland-indians-name-change-to-guardians-profoundly-stupid-unnecessary/
Blackman is the guy who, when given to opportunity to get exposure in the ABA Journal, was happy to come out in support of DEI if only the Wokeists would reserve the top places in their oppressive bureaucracy for tenured professors. Neither getting rid of DEI nor conceiving that Indian opinion might not be well represented by their grievance mongers are both cases where his personal Overton Window does not extend beyond the worldview of his Lefty confreres. Keep this in mind about him and rely on his soundness accordingly, i.e., not at all.
Edit window closed. Make that: “Neither getting rid of DEI nor conceiving that Indian opinion might not be well represented by their grievance mongers are
bothcases where his personal Overton Windowdoes notextends beyond the worldview of his Lefty confreres."The distinction that needs to be made is between the individual Indians and their designated leadership. While various thirds of the American population has been saying "not *my* President" for the past 30 years, the presumption is that the President is both democratically selected and can be removed if he drifts too far away from those whom he represents. I do not believe this is true of tribal leadership.
I don't think we are being fair to individual Indians.
It's time to set individual Indians free, then.
Thanks for the details. I remembered the article, barely, but not enough for google, and would have had to guess the stats.
There are also a couple of part-Indians near me who have said the same thing. They are tired of being told what they should think and approve of.
Well, I found it via duckduckgo, but I’d remembered seeing the point made that actual Indians weren’t all that excited about renaming teams whose names honored them and Blackman’s claim about the Ohio woman’s meaning struck me as quite bizarre..
But my main point was about Blackman. Do not get in a foxhole with this guy. You’ll just get shot in the back.
Eh, I don't think so. Blackman is a fantasy SCOTUS player and observer. He'd be far too busy fetishizing over the various players to do any harm. More likely to bore me to death.
His enthusiasm for tenured DEI administrators doesn't fit within that characterization at all. What it really looks like is a willingness to sell out cheap. If the price of his getting published in the ABA Journal as their domesticated "conservative" (think Jennifer Rubin) is abandonment of any principle then it looks to me like he'll do it.
“A 2016 Washington Post poll showed that 9 out of 10 Native Americans had no problem with the Washington Redskins as a team name. The NFL franchise has since dropped Redskins from its name, of course, and is currently the Washington Football Team.
And this has what to do with the Cleveland Indians, who were the subject of the conversation?
Yeah, right. Indian attitudes towards the “Redskins” name tells you nothing about their probable attitude towards “Indians” as a name.
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Bizarrobernardo world.Yeah, that kind of stonkered me, too; That poll result was pretty widely disseminated, it should be no secret to Blackman. I'm not privy to exactly what this woman said, but it's quite possible that she was aware of it, too, and WAS referring to indians when she said "natives".
“Why mention these statistics? Alito suggests that these vulnerable children will be placed on reservations where they will be subject to poor living conditions. In other words, the Tribes have not lived up to their ends of the bargain. The implication: better for the kids to stay with non-Indian parents who can serve the best interest of the child.”
So much for textualism. It sure looks like arguing for their policy preferences.
You’re asserting that the test of child welfare statutes don’t accord any weight to the welfare of the children?
Here's the opinion:
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/21-376_7l48.pdf
Pray point oput where this abandonment of textualism occurs.
"...This conversation neatly sums up the dispute between Justice Gorsuch and Justice Alito in Brackeen. (I swear, this conversation actually happened–I couldn't make it up if I tried.)..."
Um, with all due respect, professor; don't sell yourself short. You absolutely could have made this up if you tried. You routinely seem to invent facts that always happen to fit nicely into your narrative. Any particular reason why we shouldn't assume you're doing the same thing here?
Your usage of facts is, um, idiosyncratic.
Your fact-free assertions are tedious and unpersuasive.
Finally, this Court's tribal immunity doctrine continues to artificially exempt tribes from generally applicable laws.I warned nearly a decade ago that tribal immunity "will continue to invite problems, including de facto deregulation of highly regulated activities; unfairness to tort victims; and increasingly fractious relations with States and individuals alike." Id., at 825. This is a case in point. In order to avoid state payday loan regulation, "payday lenders . . . often arrange to share fees or profits with tribes so they can use tribal immunity as a shield for conduct of questionable legality." Ibid. Petitioners here rely on tribal immunity to avoid not only state but also federal payday loan regulation.They further seek to leverage this immunity to pursue respondent on his debt while other creditors' collection efforts are stayed. Tribal immunity thus creates a pathway to circumvent vast swaths of both state and federal laws.
Interesting. Doesn't seem to bother Thomas when religious organizations use their protections "to circumvent vast swaths of both state and federal laws."
Religious organizations enjoy sovereign immunity?
Free exercise of religion is in the US Constitution.
If you don't like it there you can try to amend it out.
"Tribal immunity" is not.
"France immunity" isn't explicitly in the Constitution, either, but it somehow exists. It's the same principle, exactly.
But French nationals aren't American citizens -- they need a passport to come here. Hence under your/Gorsuch's definition of tribal sovereignty, Indians ought to have to have passports and entry visas to leave the reservation. And not be allowed to live anywhere else, which, initially, they weren't.
French people generally live in France and are not ordinarily (ignoring the extraterritoriality can of worms) subject to the jurisdiction of US law. Tribal Indians live in the US and ARE when there subject to the jurisdiction of US law. There is no "same principle" governing these two situations.
You are wrong on your facts, Prof Blackman. The "natives" who favored the "Indians" name for Cleveland's baseball team were the very large majority of Native Americans not just around the Cleveland area but across the country.
Long Live Chief Wahoo!
I've given up trying to explain the difference between "Native American" and "American Indian" to the unwashed asses, it's about like trying to explain how getting an Income Tax "Refund" is just getting the money you overpaid back, might as well try to explain the JFK Assassination.
I was born in Atlanta GA, making me a "Native American" wherever I've been, Europe, Saudi Arabia, Israel, nobody has trouble recognizing me as an American (except when I speak German, then they think I'm a "Special" Kraut.
No evidence of American Indian background, unless there was some tribe in Eastern Germany, and most of the Injuns had been run out of Georgia by the time my Dads peoples got here from Ireland in the 1800's.
Frank
Proofreading FTW!
As I remarked in another of these “beat on Gorsuch” threads, you can explain basically all his Indian jurisprudence just by assuming he takes the sovereignty of Indian tribes seriously.
“The question presented concerned abrogation of tribal sovereign immunity. But the facts do not paint the Band in particularly favorable light.”
If the tribes actually ARE sovereign, do the facts even have to pain the Band in a favorable light?
As for the ICWA, let’s say that a Canadian family were visiting the US, and US child welfare agencies up and decided they were unfit parents. Would we place their child with an American family, effectively terminating the child’s Canadian nationality? I don’t know, I actually asking here, but I suspect the answer might be “no”.
But yes or no, it would be a federal matter, because it would be a matter of international relations, not domestic law. Wouldn't it?
Gorsuch takes Indian sovereignty seriously, that's all.
On the ICWA, it’s a statutory interpretation matter, and I think Gorsuch’s interpretation stretches “Congress has to explicitly say so” if it wants to abrogate tribal sovereign immunity to something close to “Congress has to use these special magic words.” He doesn’t merely take tribal sovereign immunity seriously. He’s especially solicitous of it.
But I think you’re generally right.
As Alito points out the ICWA is being applied to situations not remotely akin to "that [of] a Canadian family... visiting the US". As he puts it, "[The ICWA] requires States to invite tribal authorities with no existing relationship to a child [we are NOT talking about the parents!] to intervene in judicial custody proceedings".
Just wanted to endorse a visit to Pin Point, Georgia. My wife and I recently visited and very much enjoyed the small museum there celebrating the community that was very much a part of young Clarence Thomas's life. It is a very different view of Thomas to see him describing his childhood in that community.
Well he's still an "Uncle Tom"
or "Uncle Clarence"
Funny how the Seminoles suddenly were fine with the Florida State Seminoles after enough Wampum and Firewater.
"She stated, without any sense of irony, that "natives did not want to change the name." Of course she was referring to baseball fans in Cleveland"
Of course, you are making things up that you don't actually know. And are ignoring the quite obvious other possibility that occurred to basically everybody who has read what you wrote here.
Great white hero Alito championing civilization and true religion, saving innocent children from the clutches of the heathen savages.
From the tender mercies of an obsolete and corrupt cabal of self-enriching bureaucrats, you mean.
How do Thomas and Alito get away with claiming they are not legislating from the bench? In Janus, Alito opened with his litany of horribles committed by unions, completely irrelevant to whether the 1st A barred compulsory collection of dues. In Brackeen, he argues the ICWA rendered a bad result which should be avoided. Again, the issues are (1) did Congress have the power to enact the statute, and (2) does it override state law, whatever it might be? Not whether the Congress acted wisely, according to St. Samuel of Alito.
Why are you ignoring that both Thomas and Alito argue that Congress DOES NOT have the power to enact the statute? Thomas is particularly detailed in his argument on this point. As to "(2) does it override state law", that is not at issue. It certainly does and both Thomas and Alito argue that it should not.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
As I've noted before - more than once - whenever Thomas starts listing the horribles in his parade of horribles. it's a sure sign he lacks a decent underlying argument.
Tribal immunity sounds a lot like bigotry cloaked in religion.
We've gone from "[t]he child is not the mere creature of the State" to the child IS the mere creature of the Tribe.
Ironically, Gorsuch et al are treating native children with less dignity than non-native children in the name of protecting the dignity of native peoples.
"Justice Thomas's dissent suggests that tribal immunity has led to tribal impunity."
Except, of course, that he did not dissent in Coughlin. (Why would he? The Court held that the tribes' sovereign immunity had been stripped.) He concurred.