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Third Circuit Holds That at Least Some Felons Retain Second Amendment Rights
Today's en banc decision in Range v. Attorney General so concludes, in a majority opinion by Judge Hardiman, which got the votes of nine of the fifteen judges. The challenger in this case pleaded guilty in 1995 to making a false statement to obtain food stamps; because this was in theory punishable by up to five years in prison under Pennsylvania law, that made him a felon for federal gun law purposes (even though his actual sentence was just three years' probation plus "$2,458 in restitution, $288.29 in costs, and a $100 fine"). But the logic of the majority opinion suggests that this might apply to many felons, perhaps even including people convicted of violent felonies, at least as I read the court's rationale.
Judge Ambro, joined by Judges Greenaway and Montgomery-Reeves concurred, but would have excluded felons whose crimes suggest that they "would, if armed, pose a threat to the orderly functioning of society," such as "murderers, thieves, sex offenders, domestic abusers, and the like." Judge Greenaway also joined the majority, but the other two did not. (Judge Porter also wrote a separate concurrence focusing on federal power.)
Judges Shwartz, Restrepo, Krause, and Roth dissented, generally arguing that felon disarmament laws are categorically constitutional. Judge Krause's separate dissent is particularly detailed. I don't have the time to excerpt the opinions, which are 107 pages long, and contain much detailed historical argument; you can read them here.
It seems to me nearly certain that the Supreme Court will agree to hear the case, perhaps in conjunction with the Fifth Circuit domestic civil restraining order automatic disarmament case, U.S. v. Rahimi. As a practical matter, this is a much more important case than Rahimi (which itself is quite important); the federal government is nearly certain to seek review by the Supreme Court; the decision invalidates a federal statute; there is a circuit split; the broad reasoning of the decision is in tension with the Court's statements that felon disarmament laws are presumptively constitutional. All of these are factors cutting in favor of Supreme Court review, and put together they make such review extremely likely.
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Is there a common definition of what constitutes a felony in all 50 states and under federal law?
Believe it is a crime that is punishable by >1 year in prison, but IANAL so don't listen to me.
I think it is up to the relevant jurisdiction. The federal rule is:
922(g) convicted of a crime punishable by more than 1 year imprisonment
BUT
921(a) says that doesn't include crimes that a state calls a misdemeanor and punishable by 2 years or less
It's pretty clear to me that the dissent is acting in bad faith, and simply doesn't believe guns should be allowed for anyone.
What is your sense of the judges who seem to be signaling that violent felons must be permitted to possess firearms?
My sense is that it is a figment of your imagination. They made clear their decision applied to this litigant only, who was convicted of a minor, non-violent offense.
The Right Good Reverend knows this. Bad-faith arguments and strawmen are his MO.
What is your sense of the little boys you groom signaling to you that it hurts?
The guy isn't even a felon. That should be the end of it.
It's not that simple, but your comment highlights the problem with the federal statute.
From the opinion:
The federal law is geared to the theoretical maximum punishment under state law -- 1 year for felonies, and 2 for misdemeanors. For whatever reasons, Pennsylvania has a maximum punishment of 5 years for that offense. Maybe that would make sense if some guy ripped off millions from the state. This guy, however, took far less, and only got probation and pay back about $ 2500,plus another $ 400 in fines and costs. The notion that he is a serious criminal is absurd, but federal law defines it by the theoretical maximum under the statute, not the actual sentence.
And, of course his crime, such as it is, is not violent.
The federal statute needs a serious overhaul.
"Maybe that would make sense if some guy ripped off millions from the state."
I don't see why, its the same non-violent crime.
These are great facts for a good decision at the Supreme Court though.
I meant for the PA punishment. If some guy ripped of the state for millions, 5 years is not a crazy punishment.
Whether he should lose his 2d Amendment rights when he gets out is another question.
In this hypo, we have a man who makes false statements resulting in his family receiving around $2500 in food assistance versus someone who makes false statements and steals millions from the food stamp program. It’s a figurative “man steals a loaf of bread to feed his family” vs. a white collar criminal and Bob cannot understand why someone thinks the two might or even should be treated differently. They’re the same crime after all.
Brilliantly stupid. No notes.
What's stupid is your misreading of his comment, which was directed at whether the man should lose his 2d Amendment rights, not the punishment he should get for the underlying crime. I understood that right away, which is why I clarified my statement.
Try reading the comments twice before you comment on them.
From my perspective, it doesn't even matter, constitutionally, whether he is or isn't. In the earlier days of the United States, only actual serious crimes were "felonies." We didn't have the regulatory state we have today, and thus, there was no "historical tradition" of permanently removing gun rights from people for what were then minor infractions (or not even crimes at all).
Weren't all "felonies" at the time crimes you could potentially be executed for, so that rights deprivation was permissible as a "lesser" penalty?
Yeah, most of today's felonies would have been misdemeanors at the time, if they were even crimes at all.
Another good point. Thanks.
Okay, I'll bite.
Why not?
Congratulations on the three citations*, Prof. Volokh.
*Or is it only two? I am not certain how these sorts of things are tallied. Also, do citations receive different levels of professional credit based on which opinion they're in?
The more guns the better, right, Professor?
One problem with the federal statute is it recharacterizes the state characterization of crimes. Pennsylvania had declared this crime a misdemeanor.
Another, more basic one is that simple possession or use of something that merely previously traveled in interstate commerce is too disconnected from interstate commerce to be subject to the federal power by any legitimate standard. There is a big difference between regulating commerce in something and using commerce as a legal fiction to assert a general police power.
This is a general police power, not a regulation of commerce even by the standards of Wickard v. Filburn. Filburn was after all a commercial farmer. Raitch v. Ashcroft was wrong to have stretched the decision to include activities in private homes by people not engaged in commerce of any kind.
The fewer guns the better, right, MoreCurious? So any excuse we can dream up to deprive people of gun rights is perfectly fine--in fact, laudable
Your insightful response is making me consider rethinking my position. It just occurred to me that if every civilian who carries a firearm shoots every other civilian who carries a firearm, then the chances of an unarmed innocent adult or child being shot will be greatly reduced.
This case looks like an appropriate vehicle for SCOTUS to elaborate on its ruling in Bruen. Justice Alito, concurring in Bruen, opined that ¨Our holding decides nothing about who may lawfully possess a firearm . . . Nor have we disturbed anything that we said in Heller or McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 742 (2010), about restrictions that may be imposed on the possession or carrying of guns.¨
Justice Kavanaugh´s concurrence in Bruen reiterated the language from Heller that ¨Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons[.]¨
One of the dissenting judges in Range observed that ¨the majority creates a circuit split with the Eighth Circuit’s recent opinion in United States v. Jackson, which rejected the notion of ´felony-by-felony litigation´ and recognized that ´Congress acted within the historical tradition when it enacted § 922(g)(1) and the prohibition on possession of firearms by felons.´”
It would appear that this is a good case to grant certiorari.
Here is the Eighth Circuit opinion in Jackson: http://media.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/23/06/222870P.pdf