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Montana Town Forbids All Protests (Except at City Hall), Because of Planned Protests of "Drag Story Hour"
From a Livingston (Montana) Police Department order, posted by the Livingston Enterprise (Sean Batura):
Whereas, a local business is presenting a "drag story hour" hosted by the Livingston Pride Coalition;
Whereas, individuals in drag reading stories to children is a sensitive issue in today's political climate and has garnered national attention;
Whereas, The Livingston Police Department has received credible information of individuals planning to protest the "drag story hour" including groups who are planning to be armed with firearms;
Whereas, the primary function of the Livingston Police Department is to ensure the safety of the citizens of the community, preserve the peace, and mitigate traffic issues;
Whereas, lndividuals have the constitutionally protected right to peacefully assemble and protest;
Whereas, extraordinary measures are required to protect the public health, safety and welfare of the City's citizens;
Whereas, United States Supreme Court Case - United States v. Grace, 461 US 171 (1983) has established the authority of government to enforce reasonable time, place, and manner of protests;
Now, therefore; by direct order of the City Manager, all protests occurring on May 20, 2023, between the hours of 0800 and 1700 hours shall be conducted in the parking lot of City Hall located at 220 E. Park Street, Livingston Montana. This Livingston Police Department General Order is approved and issued on this 18th day of May, 2023. All those found in violation of this order shall be subject to prosecution by the City of Livingston.
But this is unconstitutional. The right to speak includes the right to speak outside an establishment that one is protesting, whether it's an employer that's being picketed, a fur store, an abortion clinic, or anything else. Indeed, the case that the Police Department cites, U.S. v. Grace, upheld the right to protest on a city sidewalk outside the Supreme Court. The government generally can't require protesters to protest elsewhere (for instance, 2½ blocks away, which seems to be the distance between the City Hall parking lot and the bookstore).
In extremely unusual circumstances, for instance when massive protests are expected on occasion of a political convention, the government may be able to exclude protests from a narrow zone outside the convention, see, e.g., Marcavage v. City of N.Y. (2d Cir. 2012):
As many as 50,000 people were expected to attend the four-day Convention. The NYPD anticipated that there would be a volume of protest activity not seen in New York City in decades, including potentially hundreds of thousands of protesters throughout the city.
The [Madison Square] Garden [where the convention was held] sits atop Pennsylvania Station ("Penn Station"), one of the transportation hubs of New York City. Approximately 1,300 trains and 600,000 riders pass through Penn Station each day. The vicinity is ordinarily congested by vehicular and pedestrian traffic; a major event at the Garden can bring thousands of additional pedestrians.
But this situation (which in any event involved a "small no-demonstration zone on a two-block strip of Seventh Avenue," not a categorical ban on all protesting in a town with one narrow permitted protest space) is far removed from what seems likely to be a small protest targeting a small event. And while the Livingston Police Department doubtless has fewer officers than the NYPD, their job is to protect both the event attendees and the protesters—again, just as if it were a labor protest outside a factory, or any other similar protest.
Of course, protests do carry with them some potential for violence and vandalism; again, that is true of labor protests, anti-abortion protests, anti-police protests, protests against drag story hours, protests against speakers who criticize various transgender rights proposals, and more. One could imagine a legal rule that generally forbids all such protests, to prevent such a risk, or allows them to be shut down whenever the police get any indication of any risk of violence. But that is certainly not the rule that has developed in the U.S. under the First Amendment. Rather, under American law, such protests have to be allowed and protected so long as they remain peaceful, and can only be stopped when violence does erupt.
Finally, I also appreciate that there are arguments for restricting armed protests—as, for instance, is the law in North Carolina. I also appreciate that there are counterarguments, both based on the First and Second Amendments (and of course under state constitutional provisions, such as Montana's express right to keep and bear arms in self-defense), and based on at least some police departments' occasional apparent unwillingness to protect protesters against criminal attack (see, e.g., here and here). But again that issue isn't raised here, since the Livingston Police Department order forbids all protests (except ones outside City Hall), not all armed protests.
Thanks to Matt Monforton for the pointer.
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I would also question whether the city manager has legal authority to issue the order. Telling residents what to do on private property may require legislative rather than executive action.
I'd challenge even that -- unless the are willing to pay for a "taking", ummm.....
Not all land use regulations require compensation. A legal statement, not a moral judgment.
Being a reality TV host provides the best experience to be president! So that means RuPaul is the most qualified individual to be our next president!! Sashay, shante!
Sounds good to me. If liberals can heckler's veto conservative events, conservatives should be able to do the reverse.
Anxiously awaiting help from the ACLU on this matter.
I'd protest out of principal. If arrested then sue for constitutional violations.
Half-educated, bigoted, right-wing hayseeds have rights, too!
"Half-educated"
So what makes the drag queens *fully* educated? Do they have degrees in electrical engineering?
How well educated should we expect anyone from Montana -- a state with no first-rate educational institution, no level one trauma center, and plenty of hayseeds -- to be.
The smart, ambitious, high-character young people in Montana depart at high school graduation, seeking education, modernity, and opportunity elsewhere, rarely -- if ever -- to return, not even to visit.
The depleted human residue that remains is Montana's population, a concentrating pool of ignorance, guns, disaffectedness, bigotry, resentment, backwardness, superstition, economic inadequacy, and more bigotry.
Stupid Kirkland machine guns himself.
Are we take these several assertions on your say-so??
But you never say anything useful .
Yet you applaud big government all the time, and big government owns 30% of Montana. How little you know
How much does little government own?
You are the Pope of the Stupid sect.
I tell students: The jerk whose whole contribution to discussion is negative, who defends nothing, attacks everything -- that is a useless person.
Just look at the terms “female genital mutilation” when done for disfavored religious purposes and “gender confirmation surgery” when done for favored ideological purposes.
One of those two different surgeries actually involves consent and desire by the person being operated upon.
What a stupid analogy.
Consent (and desire) of parents is generally consent (and desire) of the minor for legal and constitutional purposes.
And one of the two surgeries is less invasive than the other.
I would think forcing minors to undergo either procedure would be child abuse. But, are there example of parents forcing sex-change/gender-affirming surgery? I think your analogy dies there.
"...is generally.."
Have you checked whether that is the case with "gender confirmation surgery" as you are implying?
I don't think you have.
“And one of the two surgeries is less invasive than the other.”
At least in a few countries symbolic cutting is the most common, while skin grafts to create a phallus are pretty damn invasive.
"consent and desire by the person being operated upon."
Extremely delusional people can't give valid "consent".
FGM carries more support from women and girls who go through it than you realize, apparently. It's a set of practices almost entirely perpetuated and expected by women according to bad conceptions of femininity. The fact that many of these women and girls consent to the practice does not make it okay.
It is against U.S. law to perform FGM/C on a girl under the age of 18, or to send or attempt to send her outside the United States so FGM/C can be performed. Violation of the law is punishable by up to 5 years in prison, fines, or both.
Unless that female's mother says the female identifies as a male then they can mutilate whatever genitals they want!
And sodomy is punishable by ten years imprisonment. The question is whether laws based solely on animosity to a religious practice can be constitutionally enforced. The word “mutilation” is something of a giveaway. The surgery involved is significantly less invasive, amd hence objectively less “mutilating,” than “gender confirmation surgery” The fact that hate-based language is used only for religious motivation, but not for other kinds of motivation, is also something of a giveaway. Even if one doesn’t accept Police v. Newark, and I don’t in general, this is like Likumi Bablo Aye. Just as slaughtering an animal for religious purposes but no other purposes suddenly became “animal cruelty,” here cuts into genitals for religious purposes suddenly becomes “mutilation” by people who think cuts imto genitals for purposes of secular “gender confirmation” rituals is just fine.
Let's get at that juvenille logic error, shall we
It makes no sense to say based solely on religious practice for 2 reasons that any person who has investigated relligious practice sees immediately
1) Many people hold views on abortion PRIOR to any religous commitment and it is the rationality of the view of the Church that leads to their conversion. THis is the fallacy of ignoring common cause
2) But how dumb to think that reason wasn't first anyway. When Moses said killing, stealing, adultery etc were wrong, people like you think the crowd said "Wow, what a surprise" But the mainstream of Judaism, Christianity and Perennial Philosphy says that Natural Law is the basis and not the result of religion
Can't speak for any other religion, but that certainly is not the case with (mainstream?) Judaism. I was taught that Jews follow the laws for the sole reason that God commanded us to. We would ask our Rabbi about the reasons the laws of Kashrut developed, and he would always reply that it "developed" because God commanded it.
Just wear a BLM t-shirt and burn the building down, then the protest will be OK'd by all concerned.
Sadly, yes...
Remember, BLM stood up to the heavily armed and funded law endforcement branch of the state. Conservatives stand up to story-times for kids.
NIGE, you sound like a first-class dueling banjos hayseed.
So, do you think everybody gets your silly implication, that all the law enforcement must have been conservative. AN ABSURD THING TO ARGUE
Not all. Just the ones that beat up protestors, maybe. After all, those were the ones conservatives supported most of all.
Until cops believe they will GO TO JAIL for crap like this, it will never end....
Mr Ed, excuse me but that fact allergy should not go untreated.
" { in the riots ] between May 24 and August 22. Of these, some 570 involved violence. Of those, most have involved Black Lives Matter activists. Preliminary insurance estimates show that the damage will surpass the $1.2 billion"
Willllbur
"Whereas, lndividuals have the constitutionally protected right to peacefully assemble and protest;"
We do hereby deny those rights except where we say?
But this is unconstitutional. The right to speak includes the right to speak outside an establishment that one is protesting, whether it’s an employer that’s being picketed, a fur store, an abortion clinic, or anything else.
Good point. But it does nothing to ease concern about an armed confrontation, with a potential for deadly violence. However, the 1A decrees, “peaceable,” assembly, and folks who bring guns to an anticipated political controversy will create armed intimidation, which is not peaceable. So set up a perimeter and and let the would-be demonstrators check their guns with the police.
We need to be clear, money may be speech, but guns are not speech. And there will be no shortage of law enforcement officers to keep the protesters safe.
Nope. Bringing guns to a protest is perfectly legitimate, as long as there is no actual, explicit and direct threat. You don't get to infer a threat the way little boys should infer a threat when the Rev. Kirkland whips it out at the playground.
Happy,… The law is against you on 3 points 1) A gun at a protest is NOT a right protected under the Constitution, your triple qualification PROVES that !!!! 2) The threat is the possession as your opponent says it is. 3) What grammar school graduate can’t see that your triple qualification disqualifies you right away ??? Actual, explicit, and direct. Just for kicks define that so that a person who is killed at a protest can know whether it was legal or not ????
“Your honor, I admit it was explicit but as my lawyer will explain , it was not direct”
WTF are you blabbering about?
Hoppy, you sound like a 2-year old defending "no actual, explicit and direct threat" Bye, Mom, I'm going to a demonstration'
Mom: But that can be very dangerous.
No, MOm, it has been certified that there is no actual, explicit and direct threat.
Mom, well in that case , have a good time.
This in MT, and not NJ. Outside the big cities, ownership of guns is near universal. You will rarely be anywhere where you won’t have at least someone armed around you. Mostly concealed, of course. But some openly carried.
Hayden, if you want to enjoy MT standards for gun policy, tell the SCOTUS to stop trying to impose those standards on NJ.
Montana . . . lousy education, poor healthcare, no culture, a shambling economy that leeches from better states . . . but lots of guns and plenty of Republican hayseeds!
Better than Chicago.
"let the would-be demonstrators check their guns with the police"
Ok Wyatt.
What law lets the police do this?
Bob, at least you have destroyed the former person who agreed with you , provided --- don't laugh -- it is " no actual, explicit and direct threat."
So you agree that he is off on this.
Now for you. If you are not sure of the law, how can you say there is no law. Oh my
You haven't read Bruen, have you? The burden of proof is on the government in this kind of case.
My father used to say of arguments like yours
"His tombstone will say "He was in the right" "
Michael P, what has Bruen got to do with a freedom of assembly case?
Pay attention to the specific thread, Stephen.
Maybe guns aren’t speech, but this is MT, where most every guy is going to be armed anyway. Ok, not some of the profs from nearby Bozeman, and surely not any commuting in from Missoula, but everyone else. I think that I saw the other day that the residents were the most armed in the country.
Real story. Couple years ago, the guy building my garage popped a derringer from his pocket. I showed proper appreciation then showed him the Ruger LCR II that I was carrying in mine. He then showed me his truck gun, and I reciprocated. Trust was thus established, and he is the go-to guy who knows where our key is hidden, in the winter, when we aren’t there. I go through this at least once a year with some guy. Just the way it is, in rural MT.
One of the interesting aspects to where we live is that the Justice of the Peace (who arraigns felonies and tries misdemeanors) teaches various firearms classes. One of the ramifications is that almost everyone in the courthouse has a concealed carry permit - and the prohibitions against going in there armed don’t apply to the employees there. Safest place in the county. Actually, that may be in his courtroom.
Why is it this way? Because outside the big cities, the state is very sparsely populated. Our county is 110 miles long, 30-40 wide, and averages maybe 1-2 people per square mile. There is a major highway through the middle. Graveyard shift, during the week, sometimes the only law enforcement on duty is a lone State Trooper. Even when there is a deputy working, it can take him better than an hour to respond. So most everyone is armed to some extent, and can be called out by the Sheriff’s dispatcher if needed. Plus, we have all of the big predators- brown and black bears, wolves, coyotes, cougars, etc. And their prey: from bison and moose on down. It’s called self help.
Self-help is something Democrat constituencies don't understand.
First-class education and health care are societal amenities Republican constituencies can only dream about.
But they get to dream about adequate health care and education while fondling guns and passing bigoted laws!
You sound like somebody Unabomber wouldn’t even like
How clueless do you sound saying that whoever disagrees with you is bigoted ????
You can even see motivation. Aren't you special 🙂
Protests are supposed to make you uncomfortable.
Why would there be violence at a protest against a drag show?
Livingston Montana has a population of 8040, I think they just don't want an anti-drag protest in their town.
As for fear of guns, Montana is a Constitutional carry state, people go armed to the market and nobody knows who's carrying and who isn't.
Why should there be a protest over a drag show? Oh yeah, pure bigotry.
Well I can certainly see protesting groomers, but what I said is:
"Why would there be violence at a protest against a drag show?"
I know you said it, I dropped the 'violent' part to make my point, didn't you see?
If you're going to turn up heavily armed to protest a children's story time, you need a sensational pretext, even if no-one actually believes it.
Let’s just say that the word “reasonable” in “REASONABLE time, place, and manner restrictions” is being really really really really really really really really stretched here.
Way beyond reason, I’d say.
But Reader, that is illogical. If your point is that positive law forbids any restrictions, why not say that.
Legally, that simply states what any lawyer would see , that there are 1) legal restrictions and 2) they cant be Unreasonable -- which is your point!!!
You can't be saying that any thing that can be called a 'protest ' [ by who , BTW] automatically makes gun ownership okay. So that if there are any public restrictions at all , the only need would be to say 'no protests allowed' and not 'no guns allowed" you see, you are getting like our "bottom 10 of his law class" President
You act as if there's no case law about what kind of time, place and manner restrictions are tolerated. You should read Ward v. Rock against Racism (1989) again.
PSA: Remember the Uber-driver-shoots-AK-armed-dude from a few days ago?
Please remember to be consistent with what you said then. If the AK guy was being unnecessarily provocative running around with a rifle at a protest, then so is anyone showing up with a rifle in this case.
Or the converse - it's perfectly fine for the people to come openly armed to this protest, and it was fine for Mr. AK to do the same.
(FWIW, when I see someone advocating position X while carrying a rifle, my thought tends to be 'if they have such poor judgement they think it's smart to bring a rifle here, X is probably a dumb idea')
Shrugs. Can't say I have a problem with weapons at protests. AK guy or Montana Drag protesters seem equivalent. On the other hand, if you are breaking traffic laws and your friends are assaulting people, when you end up dying in a gunfight don't expect me to take your friends word that it was murder and not self defense. You might want to be wearing a body cam.
Amusingly this goes double for Republicans. You can't count on some friendly district attorney twisting things for you and in fact, they are often going to be bending the truth against you. An actual camera documenting what is going on is always going to be in your best interest. Who knows, you might even get some valuable embarrassing footage of embedded FBI agents 🙂
Oh, absolutely. I would always recommend that conservative protesters extensively record everything going on. Otherwise any scuffles will only have been recorded by hostile parties.
Attacking somebody with accomplices in place to be "witnesses", and then recording only their response is an old, old tactic, and really the only defense is to have a complete, in context recording.
They definitely should, show themselves turning up to protest at reading times for kids while heavily armed in paramilitary gear, and be sure to get the Nazis who often turn up to join in the protest in the frame, too. Put it up there with vids of some guy destroying a load of beer cans. Conservative values.
The AK guy didn't have his rifle slung over his shoulder, he pointed it at the Uber driver in a threatening manner.
Kazinski, can you explain WTF you think you are trying to do? This happens again and again when people try to talk about controversial shooting incidents. All the pro-gun guys try to preempt controversy by making up an alternative reality, which they rally around and cite as fact forever after. Doing that is stupid and tiresome.
The reality in that incident at least has to include the fact that the shooter told a cop the gun was never pointed at the shooter, and that a jury found the shooter guilty.
"All the pro-gun guys try to preempt controversy by making up an alternative reality,"
You mean, like the alternative reality where Zimmerman attacked Martin? Or where Brown was shot with his hands up, saying "Don't shoot"?
No, he meant like a reality where Jacob Blake did not pull a knife on police officers, or where George Floyd was not in respiratory distress from a drug overdose before police subdued him.
The point is that alternate realities are hardly confined to one end of the political spectrum.
Here is how to take care of that Bellmore. When anyone, right or left, comes up with some bizarre claim to an alternative reality, let everybody condemn that together. Then each side will get reprimanded in exact proportion to how often they do it. The big advantage of doing it that way is you won't have to worry about running out of subject changes. Even better, no more boring everyone by using the same subject changes over and over, no matter what the original subject was.
We all together condemn you for making things up.
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/local/2023/03/29/daniel-perry-trial-shooting-death-austin-protester-garrett-foster-witnesses-say-didnt-raise-rifle/70060062007/ says that unreliable witnesses, two of whom admit they didn't see the immediate lead-in to the shooting (and the third who isn't quoted saying that the AK-47 was never raised), are the source of the "Garrett Foster did not raise rifle" claim.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/04/08/texas-jury-found-army-sgt-daniel-perry-guilty-murder-gov-wants-pardon-him/11629077002/ says that Perry told police what he testified at trial: "Foster threatened him by raising the barrel of his rifle at him."
Leave your fanciful alternate reality and join the real one!
Here is the Austin Newspaper's account of the testimony at the trial:
""The protesters were all around me, banging on the side of the car, hitting me with spray paint cans. One guy (Foster) wanted to talk to me," he said in the interview.
Perry said he rolled down his window to see what Foster wanted and that Foster mumbled something at him and then raised his weapon.
"That's when I got my weapon and pulled the trigger as fast as I could, and then drove away and called 911," Perry said."
"He said he was more focused on Foster's AK-47. He said Foster was holding his weapon parallel to the ground but then lifted it up, with his finger on the trigger, before Perry shot him."
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/local/2023/04/03/daniel-perry-trial-austin-protester-garrett-foster-said-he-shot-5-times-hoped-victim-ok/70074537007/
This is the testimony from the trial, so who's making stuff up?
Testimony from the suspect who was found guilty because his story wasn't credible when viewed in light of his prior statements of hostility towards the protesters and an admission that he was probably going to kill someone.
Could you people, for once, not be fucking retarded?
You are the one making it up. There are all sorts of things people don't say when they are saying something else. Then they get around to saying the other things, and if you don't like those, you leave them out. Did you really not know the shooter had told a cop the gun was never pointed at the shooter? Do you think anyone believes you just quoted all the testimony from the trial? Do you think a jury convicted the guy beyond a reasonable doubt on the basis of the abbreviated version you presented?
Between Kazinski and you, he's the one bringing specific quotes and links to support his argument. You should try that sometime.
Michael P, Kazinski is lying. So are you. How do I know? I followed your link, and found this: "Perry didn't testify during the trial."
In fairness, it may be harsh to say someone who clearly did not read the link he posted is actually lying for not knowing what was in it. On the other hand, a tendency to say links you don't read say things they don't say, and it all supports your story, is a lot like lying.
That's the lying bigot version.
Keep babbling, Kazinski. Until your replacement.
Yet you don't have any other version.
Typical
Running around with a rifle at low ready pointed at the door of the guy's car. Car door ain't stopping those rounds.
I would say the protesters should be allowed to carry concealed, but not openly. Openly carrying a gun would make an implied threat to shoot counterprotesters - any reasonable person looking at a row of armed protest could make that inference.
Once again, you demonstrate that you're neither intelligent nor acquainted with reasonable people.
When did what you describe happen? There have been a number of protests where people went armed, and I can't think of any where someone was shot for counterprotesting. The closest was the time that openly armed BLM protesters / gang members shot eight-year-old Secoreia Turner to death for being a passenger in a car.
There was also that ironic case of negligent discharge at a protest by the "Not Fucking Around Coalition" where one attendee unintentionally shot three other attendees, but that's even less like "shoot[ing] counterprotesters". Fortunately none of those injuries were life-threatening.
Michael P — ANTIFA protestors show up armed and angry, to protest at your town hall. They bring AR-style rifles. Are you content to be an unarmed anti-protestor?
Or does that seem intimidating—so you feel you need to be armed too? If your only answer is, yes, you want to bring arms, then the right of peaceable assembly is gone. If your decision is to stay home, because you can't go armed, or you don't have a gun, then once again, an extreme interpretation of the 2A has intolerably burdened the right of peaceable assembly.
Guns cannot be speech. The 2A has other work to do. It cannot be counted among the nation's expressive freedoms.
As a general habit, I don't attend protests or counterprotests, so I'm not sure how I would behave in that situation.
The major difference between your hypothetical and the protest here is that Antifa has an extensive and recent history of assaulting counterprotesters and even bystanders. "Punch a Nazi" is part of their platform, and they define almost anyone who disagrees with them as a Nazi. I suspect that if you find any violence at an anti-drag protest, it would be instigated by counterprotesters.
True threats are already unprotected expression, and most places have laws against brandishing weapons and similar behavior. We don't need to neuter the Second Amendment to deal with such malevolence.
The problem with your analysis here, is that you're tacitly assuming that Antifa cares if they're told they can't be armed at a protest. You know, just like they care that they can't legally smash windows, loot stores, or set occupied buildings on fire?
Not infrequently, folks without counter-arguments try to fight a hypothetical. But in this instance, Michael P and Bellmore both try something even weaker, to evade the hypothetical.
I know why that happened. This hypothetical cannot be addressed without considering the interests and point of view of someone threatened by gun prevalence. These two cannot ever afford to do anything but ignore every possibility that any such interest exists, let alone credit it for the sake of thinking a problem through. Evasion is the only choice their unreflective pro-gun arguments leave them.
The argument you're making, to the extent you are making an argument, seems to be:
If carrying weapons at a protest is legal, then Antifa will carry weapons at protests.
You don't want Antifa carrying weapons at protests.
Therefore:
You must oppose carrying weapons at a protest being legal.
Nothing obligates us to ignore your unstated premise, that Antifa obeys laws. A premise which is regularly demonstrated to be untrue.
Antifa, if they want to be armed at a protest, will be armed regardless of whether it is legal for them to be armed. So, the only question is whether we want their victims to be unarmed.
And the answer to that is "no".
If you want a useful hypothetical, don't build it around a group that regularly breaks the law in ways that thwart your hypothetical.
Sure, Eugene. Meanwhile, a number of Pride events are being cancelled in response to these drag ban bills, which you have previously defended as only narrowly targeting constitutionally-unprotected "obscene" speech. Well, we see now what a fat lot of good that tailoring has done - these laws are having precisely their intended effect, which is to use criminal sanction and nebulous definitions to shut down constitutionally-protected speech.
But what gets you going? A small Montana town trying to protect kids and drag queens from armed neo-Nazis.
You might consider that what this actually demonstrates is that Pride march organizers are well aware that they're going to be engaged in constitutionally unprotected "obscene" speech, and don't see the point in holding the march if they have to refrain from it.
You might consider that what you consider insightful, most rational people consider to be stupidity.
... says the person making an ad hominem attack rather than an actual argument.
Perhaps you'd like to conjure up a conclusion out of thin air without a shred of evidence to support it, and then I can do you the same service.
Pre-emptively, whatever you have to say on the matter is likely also idiotic and irrational.
Yawn. Macbeth knows you: "It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."
You came through exactly as expected. Congratulations on your 1000th post in a row void of any intelligence, substance, or purpose!
(I left off a few zeroes so you'd be able to understand the accomplishment.)
If being openly gay or trans is going to be classed as 'obscene,' you may even be right.
Oh, sure, I can consider it - and dismiss it out of hand, because anyone who's attended a Pride event knows that they don't typically feature "obscene" content.
Drag - including sexually suggestive drag - is not "obscene." But the drag bans are intentionally drafted so as to subject the organizers and businesses hosting Pride events at legal risk. Someone shuts them down, arrests the organizers, denies permits, etc. - and it then all has to get sorted in court. It doesn't matter if they ultimately prove that they weren't doing anything "obscene"; in the interim, there are motions, injunctions, appeals, etc., making even the most pedestrian Pride event a potential source of legal costs that dwarf any economic benefit from hosting them in the first place.
And that's the whole point. Just like with SB8, the anti-trans bills, the anti-CRT nonsense. And I'm pretty sure you understand that.
If they don't contain obscene content, then they aren't at risk. Your parade of horribles certainly sounds fearsome, until you realize that it's the same "risk" every parade, march, or legal protest has - including, for example, anti-abortion or gun-rights marches.
It is, however, far easier to play victim than actually have your show go on, though. Especially with fellow-travelers and suckers on the internet ready to believe your every pitiful sob.
In Russia, the authorities clamp down on anti-government protests and protests against the Ukraine war. In the U.S., the authorities clamp down on protests against this.
The Russian authorities come off as authoritarian. The U.S. authorities come off as authoritarian and ... deranged.
How many convictions?
How many unarmed women shot?
The United States prosecuted a trained surgeon for doing the other a few years ago.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/detroit-emergency-room-doctor-arrested-and-charged-performing-female-genital-mutilation#:~:text=Jumana%20Nagarwala%2C%20M.D.%2C%20of%20Northville,have%20Nagarwala%20perform%20the%20procedure.
In Indonesia most FGM is done by medical professionals. Does that make it okay?
What is the minimum age before you’d be comfortable with a patient undergoing female genital mutilation?