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Three Amicus Briefs on the First Amendment and Coercive Government Threats in NRA v. Vullo
When I wrote in March about the cert. petition in this case, readers seemed quite interested, so I thought I'd post an update. (Note: William Brewer, Sarah Rogers & Noah Peters of Brewer Attorneys & Counselors and I are the counsel on the petition.)
[1.] Eighteen state Attorneys General (led by Montana's) filed an amicus brief supporting the petition; here's the opening paragraph:
This case concerns troubling allegations of governmental abuse of power. As plausibly alleged, Maria Vullo, the head of New York's Department of Financial Services ("DFS"), a state agency tasked with sweeping regulatory authority over financial institutions, leveraged her official authority to stifle the NRA's constitutionally protected political speech. But even though Vullo's politically motivated campaign involved press releases, official regulatory guidance, and ongoing investigations that targeted financial institutions doing business with the NRA, she steered clear of any explicit threats in these communications, at least to the "disinterested ear." NLRB v. Gissel Packing, Co., 395 U.S. 575, 619 (1969). But the financial institutions picked up the subtext: drop the NRA or else. See Pet.11, 24-27. Even so, after Bantam Books, these "informal sanctions" cannot sidestep First Amendment scrutiny. See 372 U.S. at 66-67. Yet, the decision below departed from that clear instruction and gave state officials license to target and crackdown on their political opponents' protected speech.
[2.] The Foundation for Individual Rights and Education filed an amicus brief as well:
In the decision below, the Second Circuit held that a complaint alleging that a New York state official made a series of thinly veiled threats to regulated financial entities to pressure them to sever ties with a politically disfavored group could not proceed past the pleadings stage. For reasons persuasively stated in the petition for a writ of certiorari, that holding conflicts with this Court's decision in Bantam Books, Inc. v. Sullivan, 372 U.S. 58 (1963), and the Seventh Circuit's decision in Backpage.com, LLC v. Dart, 807 F.3d 229 (7th Cir. 2015), cert. denied, 137 S. Ct. 46 (2016). The decision below is irreconcilable with the basic purpose of the First Amendment: to prevent governmental officials from wielding their powers to stifle free discourse. On those grounds alone, the decision warrants further review. The decision also warrants review for two other reasons.
First, what is alleged to have occurred in New York is not limited to political interest groups like petitioner. Throughout the country, university students and faculty find themselves subject to "system[s] of informal censorship," Bantam Books, 372 U.S. at 71, which discourage open debate and impose ideological conformity, even when couched in neutral-sounding language.
Second, the decision below held that even if the New York official had "engaged in unconstitutional[ly] threatening or coercive conduct," she would be protected by qualified immunity. Pet. App. 34. But as Justice Thomas has explained, qualified immunity should not shield public officials from liability for considered policy decisions and regulatory actions. This case presents a good opportunity for the Court to clarify that qualified immunity does not reach such deliberate action.
[3.] Several financial and business law scholars filed an amicus brief, too:
The Court should grant the Petition because the court below erred in finding that the lack of explicit binding language or threats from the New York Department of Financial Services in its guidance letters meant that no reasonable regulated firm would consider itself bound by those letters. The reality of banking and insurance regulation is that firms frequently feel that they risk sanction if they do not comply with nominally non-binding guidance. The Court should grant the Petition and review this recurring issue of significant importance.
[4.] I had hoped to also pass along Vullo's Brief in Opposition—but no brief was filed. The question now is whether the Court will call for a response. (The Court basically never grants review without receiving a response, whether on the respondent's own initiative or after a call for a response.) I will keep readers posted about that.
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The Volokh Conspiracy: The Fox News of Legal Blogs.
Is Prof. Volokh the Lou Dobbs, the Jeanine Pirro, the Tucker Carlson, or the Maria Bartiromo?
He has a law degree, so I’m inclined toward Jeanine Pirro.
The troll continues to troll. What an ungracious guest.
That's a cheap dig, and would probably be better applied to a different post, than something that gets at the core of free speech abuse by government.
But, hey, a shiny new toy and all...
It seems fair to observe that, in some ways, I am to the Volokh Conspiracy what the Volokh Conspiracy is to mainstream, modern American legal academia.
"And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you." - FWN
Far from being “to the Volokh Conspiracy what the Volokh Conspiracy is to mainstream, modern American legal academia,” Kirkland is merely a dung beetle feasting on the excrement of his own brain.
As Arthur sees it, we "deplorable" "bitter clingers" don't deserve any rights (guns, speech, etc.); the (wise & benevolent) government may deal with us as it likes.
(And he talks about being in "the liberal / libertarian mainstream"!)
You are mistaken.
I believe an American citizen is entitled to possess a reasonable gun for self-defense in the home. I also hope (mostly) such a right survives the mainstream backlash against gun nuttery.
Free expression? How many times must I repeat that bigots have rights, too?
Other than that, though, great comment!
Ah, another brick in the wall. My image of Artie as a middle-aged social outcast holed up in his mother's basement grinding out bitter, compensatory posts on the internet all day in between his trips to Costco for sustenance has now been upgraded to a middle-aged social outcast holed up in his mother's basement grinding out bitter, compensatory posts on the internet all day in between his trips to Costco for sustenance while he compulsively oils and polishes his arsenal and nervously listens for unexpected noises at the basement door because he just can't shake the feeling that one day last week he forgot to turn on his VPN before posting some particularly vile spew.
Hey! Don't knock Costco. They've got a lot of great stuff. Their prepared roasted chickens are delicious, and a great value. Plus, their hot dogs are the best. You cross a red line, buster, when you knock Costco. (Just kidding, sorta.)
Oh, I'm not knocking Costco at all. Wish I had one closer to where I am right now. I'm just knocking the good Reverend, who let his guard down once in between his typical highbrow rants about his craft beer collection and personal luthier and his general disdain for middle America, and boasted about the price he paid for Costco eggs.
Middle-aged is charitable. Thank you.
My basement is a recording studio and band rehearsal space, mostly.
I get essentially all of my beer for free. Everything from mainstream lights to exotics; lately, a bunch of flavored malt beverages (hard sodas, teas, seltzers, RTDs, etc.). My favorites include stouts, wheat beers, porters, and fruit beers.
I spend $15.000 or $20,000 at Costco each year. I recommend Costco without qualification.
Thirty great things to buy at Costco:
1. Rotisserie chicken. The five-dollar birds are excellent. The five-dollar tins of dark quarters may be better. The two- or three-pound packs of pulled white meat also are good.
2. Household items (paper towels, plastic bags, toilet paper, etc.)
3. Eyeglasses and contact lenses.
4. Discounted clothes (the clearance table). I buy them by the cartful and donate them to charity. When Costco wants to clear something, it gives it away. But never skimps on quality.
5. Cranberry walnut bread.
6. Rao’s tomato sauce (same cost as the junk sold elsewhere).
7. Seafood (high velocity, therefore fresh).
8. Raspberry crumble cookies.
9. Grated or shredded parmesan cheese (wait for the sale prices).
10. Prescriptions.
11. Tires.
12. Shelled pistachios.
13. Amarena cherries.
14. Outshine frozen fruit bars (if you have freezer space for four boxes).
15. The corn-dusted buns (the ones they use for the $1.50 hot dogs). They are remarkably inexpensive but I think the bag contains 24; they can be frozen.
16. Pizza slices, chicken bakes, and sundaes at the food counter.
17. Televisions and monitors.
18. Gasoline. I fill at least five vehicles at Costco regularly.
19. Furniture. Good quality, strong value.
20. Green tea bags with matcha.
21. External hard drives.
22. Gift certificates (chains such as Smokey Bones, some local spots, heavily discounted).
23. Seasonal clearances (hot chocolate packets in April, for example; if you can’t use 100, donate some to charity).
24. Over-the-counter pain, allergy, and other medications. You can split the packages with family members.
25. Receivers (wait for Denon at the sale price, twice a year).
26. Infant formula.
27. Batteries.
28. Birthday cakes.
29. Lawncare supplies (seed, weedkiller, etc.)
30. Beef tenderloin and pork loin (heavily discounted roughly twice a year; cut and freeze, and you’ll have filet for the price of hamburger) Also, turkeys the day after Thanksgiving.
And, of course . . . nearly everything from Kirkland is great!
A few things to avoid at Costco:
1. Soft drinks. You might as well be at Aldi.
2. Fruit in quantities you won’t use quickly.
3. No-frills paper plates (they stick together lately).
4. Bags of chips the size of a king-size pillow.
5. Spices sold in eight-year quantities.
6. Muffins (7500 calories per purchase).
7. Some of the exotic snacks; are you sure you want a large bag of salted egg fish skin snacks, shrimp wasabi chips, or strawberry-banana-white chocolate popcorn?
8. 50-pound bags of rice (unless you operate a restaurant)
9. Breakfast cereal (except Cheerios on sale); better prices and smaller boxes at the regular grocer.
10. Anything sold at a "limited time special in-store demonstration event."
Jerry mingling with the klingling!
Jeez, Jerry, sorry things are so tough, even a "Regular Frank" like moi' can't tolerate Costco
and I understand it's common for prisoners with (essentially) life sentences to prepare such long detailed lists of what they would get "when" they get out,
Frank
The shelled pistachios are pretty good, both as a snack and for cooking, but the unshelled, salt and pepper-roasted pistachios are magic. I had to stop bringing them to work so people wouldn’t constantly be in my office scarfing them down.
Krayt : " .... the core of free speech abuse by government.... "
Speaking of free speech abuse by government, what's the latest word from Florida? Seems like there's a new story every day, but I don't see very much about that around here.....
As long as the state government limits itself to regulating state government speech, you probably won't.
M…I…C……..K…E…Y…………M..O..U..S..E
Being one example. Plus I would have thought government bullying free speech wouldn’t be acceptable to a Libertarian blog just because the government found a way to use its muscle. I thought the issue was seen a bit more broadly here. Certainly that seems to be the case with all the hysteria over "cancel culture". Don't see much tight legalese there, do we?
That's ridiculous, Brett.
State bigfooting local control is authoritarian as well. You ignore it to the detriment of your integrity.
It may be 'authoritarian', but only in a figurative sense, because they're exercising authority they actually legally have, over the state's own employees during work hours.
So... you're on Vullo's side, then? Because the concept of "exercising authority they actually legally have" is precisely her defense.
I believe the distinctions to be drawn between her conduct and Florida's lie elsewhere.
And thus Brett defends King George II. Or the Nazi regime.
Wow, this ended stupid.
And so, you think the Nazis' crime was that the government dictated what was taught in government schools. Yeah, that's pretty stupid, alright.
I think they were authoritarian, but did it legally.
By your post above, that means they're only figuratively bad.
"but did it legally"
At the risk of going all WWII geek, I disagree. There were a lot of things the Nazis did that weren't legal under German law at the time they occurred.
As time went on, sure, the nominal legal limits on them shrank, but a lot still wasn't legal. For just a couple of examples, Kristallnacht, The Night of the Long Knives, and of course the Beer Hall Putsch if you want to go back that far..
And long before Hitler assumed the chancellorship they used a pretty insidious sort-of-analogue to cancel culture. The Nazi view was that your first loyalty lay to the Party, not your employer/formal role/etc. So if you were a factory manager, people who happened to speak out against the Nazis somehow ended up getting up laid off. If you were the police chief, you knew which weapons permits to cancel, etc, etc. People ended up figuring out the pattern soon enough. There is a fascinating book on this - "The Nazi Seizure of Power" by William Allen (used copies $6!!).
Sorry groomer, but you don't have a right to use Florida taxpayer dollars to teach 5 year olds about the virtues of gay sex.
That's the church's job.
Kieth Whittington has been covering it in the University governance context.
And I remember a few articles when don't say gay first popped up it's head.
But have there been any big court cases around it? That's usually when someone will take notice, not at the sound and fury stage.
Three years and you're still carrying that torch.
Volokh should set up an OnlyFans, you'd go broke.
"4.] I had hoped to also pass along Vullo's Brief in Opposition—but no brief was filed. The question now is whether the Court will call for a response. (The Court basically never grants review without receiving a response, whether on the respondent's own initiative or after a call for a response.) I will keep readers posted about that."
What might be the reason for the lack of response? An attempt to drag things out?
What, if any, would be the repercussions of a failure to respond after a call for a response?
Think about it strategically.
A response is an indication, it sends a signal, that you think the case might be important enough to warrant the Court’s attention.
Why signal to the Court that you think that?
If they think the case important, they will ask you for a response. So you don’t really lose by not responding initially.
And if you don’t respond, it’s just possible that they will simply skip it over, and it will simply never occur to them that it might be worth looking at.
Responding signals you think this might be an important case and destroys the possibility of the second outcome.
Which raises the question of why the Court permits filing BIOs w/o a request from the Court in the first place? They could work it just like FRAP does for en banc rehearings: no response is permitted until the Court asks for one.
It's worthless strategy though. Every SCOTUS practitioner knows the sorts of cases that may interest the Court, so you might as well just file an oppcert. Plus, even though it is rare, SCOTUS can just grant the petition without asking for an oppcert.
Except, I respectfully suggest, the Court is smart enough on its own to figure out if the issue before it is worthwhile. I don't think the presence or absence of a response would matter.
re: "The Court basically never grants review without receiving a response"
So an Appellee could avoid review and preserve a favorable decision below by strategically refusing to file a response? That seems ... unjust. And unlikely.
But if that really is the standard, it seems to me that it should be treated like any other unopposed action - that is, an near-automatic loss for the person who can't be bothered to show up.
I'd like to think that it's because essentially the only time they don't get a response is when hardly anyone cares about the issue, so they're just not wasting their time with low priority cases. Not as a result of strategic decisions to refuse to respond.
As you say, if the issue were important enough to take up, that should lead to a near automatic loss.
It happens all the time. The business and ethical obligation of a lawyer is to use legal means to get a win for the client.
As Justice Brandeis put it, “This is a court of law young man, not a court of justice.”
If the Supreme Court wants to review, they will ask for a response. And then (and maybe only then) your client will be better off if you give one.
But if you just lay low and pretend this case is so unimportant it’s not worth paying any attention to, they might simply not notice and pass it over. Your client may be better off if you took advantage of that possibility rather than responding and signalling to the court that you thought the case was worth your time, and hence might be worth theirs.
Someone should do a study about just how effective the "lay low" strategy is. To me it smacks of gamesmanship, and I would think that SCOTUS justices have similar feelings. The fair response is for SCOTUS to simply evaluate the cert. petition on the usual criteria, regardless of whether an opposition is filed or not.
The view of most SCOTUS practitioners is that laying low in a case that will obviously interest the justices is silly at best and counterproductive at worst.
It's OK to lay low in a case the Justices will likely have little interest in though.
Another way of putting it is that if the respondent doesn’t initially take advantage of the opportunity to file a response, the court will typically ask for a response rather than granting certiorari outright. Most people who are serious about keeping the case out of court take the hint and file one at that point, but declining to do so isn’t going to prolong the case indefinitely.
Just in case folks (conveniently) forgot what was in the guidance letter: https://www.dfs.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2020/03/il20180419_rm_nra_gun_manufacturers_banking.pdf
What is the purpose of such a letter by the Dept. of Financial Services? Do they have some particular expertise about gun violence? or the NRA?
Suppose the parallel Dept. in a red state issued a similar letter about Planned Parenthood? ("In light of the recent Dobbs decision, the financial health of PP is suspect . . .")
Really, you guys think that everyone else is stupid. Look up the phrase "plausible deniability."
“In light of the recent Dobbs decision, the financial health of PP is suspecT”
Ok but the letter linked above you’re responding to doesn’t say anything like that.
The Dept. of Financial Services may not have any particular expertise about gun violence or the NRA, but it likely does have some expertise on business risk, and on its face the purpose of the letter is to call attention to a possible business risk.
Bantam Books, Inc. v. Sullivan involved clear threats by government officials. In contrast, the NRA is arguing that a letter like this one, which could be perfectly appropriate in some circumstances, is improper because of the alleged motive for writing it. Under Bantam, if a government entity wants to audit its communications to verify that it isn't saying anything that would violate the First Amendment right of free speech, it could hire a lawyer to review its communications and look for impermissible threats. If the NRA wins this case, it's likely that reviewing the communications was no longer enough; the lawyer would have to review the decision process behind each communication to ensure that the players did not have an improper motive. As a practical matter, what the NRA appears to be asking for goes significantly beyond Bantam.
An appropriate analogy would be a financial official with some malum prohibitum promotional hobby horse (demon rum, reefer madness, smut, video nasties, etc.) reminding bankers and insurers there are "reputational risks" if they continue to deal with people promoting alcoholic beverages, cannabis, erotica, gory movies, etc.
“Nice bank you got there. It’d be a shame if anything happened to it.”
This is what corruption looks like.
Regarding the amicus brief, “Several” may have been a little generous here. It generally implies more than just two.
Whoops, you're right, fixed.
Always genial and willing to correct even minor errors when pointed out.
At least this wasn’t one of those marijuana cases, where not only do you get several of these very friendly law professors, but they file a joint brief.
Am I counting wrong, six individuals at three entities?
BRIAN R. KNIGHT*
GEORGE A. MOCSARY**
C. BOYDEN GRAY, R. TRENT MCCOTTER Counsel of Record, JONATHAN BERRY, JARED M. KELSON***
* MERCATUS CENTER, 3434 Washington Blvd., Arlington, VA 22201
** UNIVERSITY OF WYOMING COLLEGE OF LAW, 1000 E. University Ave., Laramie, WY 82071
*** BOYDEN GRAY & ASSOCIATES PLLC, 801 17th St. NW, Suite 350, Washington, DC 20006
The reality of banking and insurance regulation is that firms frequently feel that they risk sanction if they do not comply with nominally non-binding guidance.
Funny, all I ever seem to see are complaints from would-be regulatory figures who got fired from their jobs after they attempted actually to regulate.
Whatever those corporations may, "feel," before entertaining their lawsuits, let's require they actually suffer some untoward interference.
Also:
As plausibly alleged, Maria Vullo, the head of New York's Department of Financial Services ("DFS"), a state agency tasked with sweeping regulatory authority over financial institutions, leveraged her official authority to stifle the NRA's constitutionally protected political speech.
That part does not seem to have been alleged at all. I doubt her official authority even includes a, "to stifle," power.
Clever. By engaging in "unofficial" coercion, what she leveraged to accomplish that was her official authority.
Once again, the thing you say she accomplished went unaccomplished, after the actions you say she cleverly did not take proved, in your clouded judgment, mysteriously unavailing.
The NRA did decide to leave NY for a more healthy climate.
But that's not dispositive, lots of companies and individuals are doing that. Enough that NY lost another congressional seat.
They would have moved from NY many years ago if they'd been listening to the membership: We've been telling them that it was dangerous remaining incorporated there, for several decades now.
Several?
The brief identifies precisely two low-level "scholars" (one a two-year adjunct at ASSLAW). Does Prof. Volokh know something about the provenance of his allies' brief not revealed by the record?
Noted by Reader Y above and corrected by EV.
-- Mr. Bumble, 10:50 a.m., April 21, 2023
-- Volokh Conspiracy, 1 p.m., April 21, 2023
Hey Rev, how many boys did you groom today?
These are the defenders this fringe, bigot-hugging blog deserves.
None, the "Rev"s safely ensconced at
https://www.cor.pa.gov/Facilities/StatePrisons/Pages/Greene.aspx
The "Rev" does serve as a "Cum Receptacle" for the Cell Block
The 2nd Circuit decision, written by the Asian judge Denny Chin, elevated to the 2nd Circuit by the black traitor who squatted in the White House for 8 years, was outrageous.
“Squatted”
Birtherism?
No. I think that piece of crap was born in Hawaii. He's still an anti-American traitor.
But if he was really President… how could he be “squatting” in the President’s house?
Because he was elected by worthless third world immigrants and other people who should not be voting.
Well Yeah, that's how it works (Unfortunately)
That's why only white mainline Protestant men should be allowed to vote.
This blog seems to attract a remarkable concentration of bigots.
Does any of the Conspirators -- even a single one -- have the courage or character needed to address that point, or even to acknowledge it?
Nope.
Cowards.
Bigot-hugging cowards.
Okay groomer.
The Volokh Conspiracy and hoppy deserve each other.
Prepare for replacement, the lot of you.
Again with the "Replacement"!!
well "Replace" me already, you fuck!
Like the late (actually he's still alive) great Jimmy Connors (fellow Lefty) said when that Swedish Mute Bjorn Borg beat him at Wimbledon in 78'
"I'll follow the Son of a bitch to the ends of the Earth"
Which since Bjorn lived in Monte Carlo when he wasn't touring wasn't that much of a hardship,
Well "Reverend"
"I'll follow you to the "Ends of the Earth"
or at least
https://www.cor.pa.gov/Facilities/StatePrisons/Pages/Greene.aspx
Umm, looks like a place with a "Tough Crowd" (lots of Klingers probably)
Think I'll stay outside,
Frank
I think there’s a difference between giving a speech or writing a letter and giving “guidance.” Guidance, whether or not enforcible, reflects what a government regulatory officially expects a regulated private entity to do, in a way that a simple speech or letter doesn’t.
Courts cannot and should not prevent members of regulatory agencies from speaking on public issues, whether the folks regulated feel chilled by their speech or not. But I think guidance is a sufficient official step towards regulatory action for courts to act.
But what is the action. All the letter says is “consider reviewing your own internal policies in light of recent events with an eye towards reputational risk.”
Frankly this seems like sound advice in our day and age— just look at bud light!
Yes, they absolutely should prevent members of regulatory agencies from speaking on public issues if they are intended or have the effect of chilling speech. Government officials with the power to regulate should not be allowed to say "Nice business you have there. be a shame if something happened to it."
You don't have a 1st Amendment right ot be a regulator, so no, there is no reason why there should not be costs imposed upon you along with the assumption of great power.
You really are a morally wretched monster
Thanks for this update. As much disdain as I have for Brewer and assoc., whom I associate with much of what is wrong with the NRA's current leadership and decision-making, this complaint seems on point and I'm glad they have some quality help in making the case.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22-842/264475/20230426141957095_Vullo%20Letter%20Motion%20for%20Extension%20April%2026%202023.pdf
They're asking for an extension from May 24 to June 23 to file a response, so SCOTUS doesn't have to ask
If one had actually read the cert petition one would have seen those tweets referenced in a footnote on page five! I know actually reading the briefs is a bridge too far for you and your fellow travelers. Best to stick to combing through videos from hunters laptop!
You can just admit you didn’t read EVs petition. It’s ok! Reading is hard.
“And speaking of digging deeper, Hunter’s laptop shows”
Oh? What does it show exactly? Talk about digging deeper!! You just can’t resist can you?
“You should change your username from Estragon to Estrogen”
Why? Is that supposed to be a dis? Estragon is very appropriate for this comment section— sitting around wasting time, waiting for something substantive to get posted.
Instead we get “estrogen”. So clever, so cutting. A rapier wit!
“You should change your username from Estragon to Estrogen”
Is there anything more pathetic than recycling six-week old Drackman content?
“And which of your hot air comments am I suppose to respond to?”
Eh, don’t bother. I think we’re done here.
Is it because these institutions have private and opaque oversight mechanisms while they offer men who are criminally interested in impressionable boys to hold positions of moral authority over those boys in settings that require the boys to look up to and trust the older men?
Yes. It allows perverted men (people like RAK) to be around young boys without it being creepy.