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Reed v. Goertz, California v. Texas, and WWH v. Jackson
Justice Kavanaugh's six-page majority opinion does not withstand scrutiny against Justice Thomas's 20-page dissent.
Today the Supreme Court decided Reed v. Goertz. Reed was convicted of murder. Reed asked the prosecutor to conduct DNA testing of certain evidence. The prosecutor granted testing of some, but not all evidence. In state court post-conviction proceedings, Reed requested DNA testing of the remaining evidence. The state trial court denied Reed's motion. The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals affirmed that ruling, and later denied rehearing. Reed petitioned the Supreme Court for certiorari, which was denied. Then Reed repackaged his cert petition as a Section 1983 motion in federal district court. The District Court found that the claim was barred by the two-year statute of limitations. Specifically, the trial court started the clock from when the state trial court denied relief, not when the Court of Criminal Appeals denied rehearing. A panel of the Fifth Circuit affirmed. Reed then petitioned for certiorari from the Supreme Court.
A six-member majority reversed the Fifth Circuit. Justice Kavanaugh wrote the majority opinion. Justice Thomas wrote a solo dissent. Justice Alito wrote another dissent, which was joined by Justice Gorsuch.
The bulk of the Kavanaugh majority opinion, and the Alito dissent, disagreed about when to start the statute of limitation. Here, I want to focus on Justice Thomas's dissent, which focuses on subject matter jurisdiction.
The posture of this case is very unusual. How could Reed "appeal" the Court of Criminal Appeal's decision to a federal district court? Generally, the only route of appeal from a state court of last resort is to the United States Supreme Court through certiorari. And here, the Supreme Court denied cert. Federal district courts do not have "appellate" jurisdiction. They only have "original" jurisdiction. Why did the federal district even have subject matter jurisdiction here?
Justice Kavanaugh's analysis on jurisdiction spans only a page. Indeed, the entire decision is six-pages long.
First, what exactly is the injury in fact?
First, Texas argues that Reed lacks standing. We disagree. Reed sufficiently alleged an injury in fact: denial of access to the requested evidence. The state prosecutor, who is the named defendant, denied access to the evidence and thereby caused Reed's injury. And if a federal court concludes that Texas's post-conviction DNA testing procedures violate due process, that court order would eliminate the state prosecutor's justification for denying DNA testing.
There is some sleight of hand here by Justice Kavanaugh. What exactly is the claimed injury? Is the injury the prosecutor's denial of DNA testing? Or is the injury the Court of Criminal Appeal's denial of rehearing. If the injury is the former, then the clock started ticking even before the trial court ruled. But can the injury even be the latter? In other words, can the actions of a state court judge inflict an Article III injury, that can be redressed in federal court? Any order by the Supreme Court would, in effect, run against the prosecutor indirectly due to a change of law. But we usually don't think of the Supreme Court vacating a lower court opinion as a means to redress an Article III injury. Rather, what redresses the injury is an order that runs directly against an executive-branch official. This is a very unusual conception of redressability.
How does Justice Kavanaugh get around this theory? More sleight of hand:
It is "substantially likely" that the state prosecutor would abide by such a court order. Utah v. Evans, 536 U. S. 452, 464 (2002) (internal quotation marks omitted). In other words, in "terms of our 'standing' precedent, the courts would have ordered a change in a legal status," and "the practical consequence of that change would amount to a significant increase in the likelihood" that the state prosecutor would grant access to the requested evidence and that Reed therefore "would obtain relief that directly redresses the injury suffered." Ibid.
Justice Thomas explains why this approach cannot work:
The majority also misses the mark when it asserts that it is "substantially likely that the [district attorney] would abide by [Reed's requested] court order." Ante, at 3 (internal quotation marks omitted). Again, the only "court order"Reed seeks is a declaration disapproving the legal underpinnings of the CCA's judgment. Such an "order" would have no bearing on the district attorney's future conduct; in a literal sense, there would be nothing for him to "abide by."
Moreover, Whole Woman's Health v. Jackson suggests that this theory of redressability does not work. The upshot of that rocket docket case is that you can only sue executive-branch officials who enforce laws, and inflict injuries. You cannot sue state court judges, and their clerks who simply apply the law. Here, the district attorney is the nominal defendant, but the alleged injury really lies against the state court.
The Texas Solicitor General expressly invoked Jackson in his brief.
In other words, Reed does not dispute that courts, rather than district attorneys, adjudicate the merits of Chapter 64 claims and order or withhold DNA testing accordingly. "[N]o case or controversy" exists, however, "between a judge who adjudicates claims under a statute and a litigant who attacks the constitutionality of the statute." Whole Women's Health v. Jackson, 142 S. Ct. 522, 532 (2021) (citation omitted). Reed cannot avoid that problem by suing a different state official who does not enforce Chapter 64.
Justice Thomas explains that the injury, if one exists, was not by the district attorney, but by the court itself.
Fundamentally, Reed's complaint—like his certiorari petition before it—contests how "the Texas courts" "interpreted, construed[,] and applied" Chapter 64"to deny his motion for DNA testing," App. 14, ¶3, which is why the only relief he requests is an abstract "declaration that the CCA's interpretation and application of [Chapter] 64 . . . is unconstitutional." Id., at 49. The idea that his claim "does not challenge the adverse state-court decisions," ante, at 4 (internal quotation marks omitted), cannot survive even a cursory examination of his complaint. See supra, at 9–10. Nor would the other possibility make any sense. Reed cannot be seeking relief from the district attorney's enforcement of Chapter 64, because the district attorney has not enforced that law against Reed at all.
Now Justice Kavanaugh did not cite Jackson. Nor did Justice Thomas. Perhaps that wound is too fresh. The failure to engage with Jackson suggests that precedent will not have much vitality.
But there is another, even more relevant precedent, also from the Fifth Circuit: California v. Texas. Yes, who can forget the ill-fated Obamacare case. The Supreme Court made emphatically clear that a statute, standing by itself, cannot inflict an Article III injury. Rather, the enforcement of the statute creates the injury. And, as we all learned, a penalty-less mandate is not enforced. Or so we were told. Yet, Justice Kavanaugh walks right into California v. Texas!
Under the so-called Rooker-Feldman doctrine, federal district courts do not have appellate jurisdiction over state-court judgments. But Kavanaugh writes that Rooker-Feldman does not apply here. Why? Because Reed is targeting the statute! Huh?
That doctrine prohibits federal courts from adjudicating cases brought by state-court losing parties challenging state-court judgments. But as this Court explained in Skinner v. Switzer, even though a "state-courtdecision is not reviewable by lower federal courts," a "statute or rule governing the decision may be challenged in a federal action." 562 U. S. 521, 532 (2011). Here, as in Skinner, Reed does "not challenge the adverse" state-court decisions themselves, but rather "targets as unconstitutional the Texas statute they authoritatively construed." Ibid.
No, this argument does not work. Justice Thomas, who joined the California majority, invokes California in his dissent:
The majority accepts Reed's representation that he "does 'not challenge the adverse' state-court decisions themselves," but only "'targets as unconstitutional the Texas statute [Chapter 64] they authoritatively construed.'" Ante, at 4 (quoting Skinner v. Switzer, 562 U. S. 521, 532 (2011)). But this workaround to Rooker-Feldman raises a glaring Article III problem: As this Court has repeatedly explained, a federal court may not entertain a free-floating challenge to a statute unmoored from a concrete case or controversy. See, e.g., California v. Texas, 593 U. S. ___, ___–___ (2021) (slip op., at 7–9);
Thomas explains that Reed cannot seek an advisory opinion:
Unless Reed merely seeks an advisory opinion, his due process challenge to Chapter 64 must seek relief from some concrete enforcement or application of that law that affects him.More specifically, Reed must be challenging either (1) some conduct of the district attorney constituting enforcement of Chapter 64 against him or (2) the CCA's application ofChapter 64 as a rule of decision in his case.
The mere enactment of a statute does not provide a basis for standing:
By itself, a State's legislative enactment of an unconstitutional law does not give rise to a justiciable case or controversy. See California, 593 U. S., at ___–___ (slip op., at 7–9);
I know it is fashionable to attack Justice Thomas as a partisan hack. But on standing, he is completely consistent. He found no jurisdiction in the Obamacare case. And no jurisdiction in the murder case. The other eight justices cannot make such a claim to consistency. Everyone else switched sides.
When I first saw Kavanaugh's 6-page decision, I was shocked. It is rare that a Supreme Court decision is so short--especially where there are two lengthy dissents. Writing such a short opinion conveys the issues are open-and-shut. But Kavanaugh completely fails to engage with Justice Thomas's dissent. More misdirection. Nothing to see here.
I think this is a case where some conservatives thought it was unfair to rule against a criminal defendant who pursued his appeal through the state court system, and was then kicked out of federal court on statute of limitation grounds. Plus, this is a case where the conservatives can rule in favor of a criminal defendant convicted of a vicious murder and rape, who has no plausible defense of actual innocence. The virtues signal themselves!
Ultimately, none of these arguments will matter. Reed will not escape the execution chamber, as Justice Thomas explains:
If there is a mitigating factor to today's decision, it is that the §1983 action that the Court misguidedly allows to proceed is no barrier to the prompt execution of Reed's lawful sentence. See Hill v. McDonough, 547 U. S. 573, 583–584 (2006). Indeed, Reed conceded at oral argument "that you do not get a stay of execution just because you brought [aChapter] 64 proceeding or just because you're in [§]1983proceedings . . . challenging the adequacy of the procedures available to you from the state." Tr. of Oral Arg. 68. Texas is free to take him at his word. But, because the majority undermines vital principles of federal jurisdiction and destabilizes the orderly working of our judicial system, I respectfully dissent.
Finally, I'm disappointed Justice Barrett joined Justice Kavanaugh's majority opinion. During oral arguments in California, Justice Barrett repeatedly asked about redressability, and made clear that standing cannot be grounded on a challenge to a statute, standing by itself. I've seen Barrett as something of a jurisdiction wonk on the Court. The Kavanaugh majority should not have been a join.
Update: I see now that celebrities like Beyonce, Rihanna, and Kim Kardashian came out in support of Reed. I am now more confident in my virtue signaling analysis. I'm sure these important people will suddenly change their view of the Supreme Court, and the author of the majority opinion.
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"What exactly is the claimed injury?"
Well Reed is sitting on Death Row. What more does he need?
A miserable excuse for punishment is not an "injury".
That he's still alive after committing multiple rapes and a murder and being convicted of the last crime and sentenced to death more than two decades ago is what an injury inflicted by the courts looks like.
Look, let's be damn sure he is guilty before we kill him.
There is no reasonable doubt that he is guilty as hell. The dead woman didn't consent to his injecting his jism in her vag and ass. I keep pointing that out since so many here are so intent on glossing over the ACTUAL evidence in favor of fantasies.
What a strange idea that innocent people should not be executed.
Just amazing the useful idiots ready to believe anything.
Wrap your head around the facts:
"Medical examiners determined that Stites had been strangled to death with her own belt, which was found in two pieces—one near the
truck, the other near Stites’ body. There was semen in
Stites’ vagina and rectum and saliva on her breasts."
"Then, about six months after Stites’ death, Reed was arrested for kidnaping and attempting to rape and murder another young woman near the route Stites typically took to work and around the same
time of night when Stites had gone missing. Reed lived near the high school and was often seen walking the surrounding area at night. Intrigued, the police checked Reed’s DNA profile, which Texas had on file from an earlier sexual-assault case against him. A series of tests established a conclusive, one-in-the-world-population match between Reed and the fluids recovered from Stites’ corpse.
When first questioned, Reed insisted that he did not know Stites at all, unaware that the police had DNA evidence disproving that claim. By the time of his trial, he had changed his story: He and Stites were having a consensual affair, and someone else—perhaps her jealous fiancé—had
committed the murder. "
"Four other women— and one underage girl—also testified that Reed had brutally beaten and raped them in the past."
Great comment, your empathy and concern just oozes out of every word:
"What a strange idea that innocent people should not be executed."
This recitation of the facts still doesn’t conclusively link Reed to murder weapon. Also the accusations against him regarding rape to exclude other suspects are less compelling when the other main suspect also committed a rape.
https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/stacey-stites-fiance-released-from-prison-after-serving-10-year-sentence/
The semen in her vag and ass didn't match that of the "other main suspect", who the story you refer to merely claims to be "an original person of interest, which is not the same thing. And that story omits every detail that Kazinski points out in pursuit of its bogus narrative.
Rank emotionalism in service of ignoring any actual examination of what process is due.
None of that is relevant to the legal inquiry, and you're playing dirty pool going after the character of someone concerned about actual innocence.
There is nothing in "myself"'s post or yours that demonstrates any concern for actual innocence or guilt or process that was due.
What's way, way overdue is an execution.
Alternately, the police linked a black man suspected of other rapes to the victim. At that point the police and prosecutors assumed he was guilty and suppressed evidence to the contrary to secure a conviction.
It may in fact be true he is guilty. But before you execute someone you need to be really sure that you're correct, and suppressing bits of evidence does not satisfy that requirement.
You are full of shit. There is no evidence of his innocence that has been suppressed.
Humor the perp -- test the other stuff and then say "see there, we now know that you absolutely are guilty" and then kill him.
Otherwise there will always be people claiming he was innocent.
"Otherwise there will always be people claiming he was innocent."
The DA DID test some of the items he wanted tested, and that had no impact on the people claiming he is innocent at all. Nor would any conceivable number of tests have any impact on them. The scumbag is guilty as hell and it's long past time to stop humoring the obstructionists.
Well refusing to test the belt certainly counts as suppressing to me. As well, officers withholding the fact that they believed the husband to be abusive is definite suppression.
And the the innocence project has documented quite a few witnesses who implicate the husband.
Whether or not he's a rapist in those other cases the evidence of Mr Reed's guilt in this case is quite questionable.
Your brain is broken and no one gives a damn about what "seems like suppression" to you. It's been explained to you up and down this thread that the only DNA evidence on the belt that would have probative value is Reed's, and it would just be further proof that he is guilty. Which isn't necessary, as that is not in doubt.
How do you know that when the prosecution is actively blocking the testing that might indicate his innocence? If he's guilty, let him do the damn test and settle it.
If your concern is justice delayed, the prosecution has delayed things far longer by fighting the test than if they'd just allowed it at the first request.
Bullshit. The tests were demanded as a way of delaying the execution date. And apparently they could have gone ahead and executed him even after he'd filed an 1803 appeal. And should have.
I donate regularly to the IP. Monthly auto draw. They are representing Reed. Normally I’m comfortable that the people they represent and exonerate are truly innocent.
In this case, I disagree with them. I think Reed did it. It seems pretty clear to me that Reed did it. The IP’s alternative suspect seems almost certainly uninvolved to me. And I got curious enough about this one to actually go read the trial transcript. All of it. And the major appeal. The evidence is very compelling and I don’t see any holes in it.
That said, test the DNA anyway.
I'm OK with testing for DNA if it doesn't delay the execution. At the expense of Reed's obstructionist pals.
What the fuck?
Who cares about any of this legalistic BS?
Just test the goddamn DNA. Why is that hard? Our system is insane.
Which additional items of evidence do you think should be tested? And what result of that test could affect anyone’s assessment of the defendant’s guilt?
What an odd second question. Inconclusive profiles or profiles excluding him as the source of DNA on the alleged murder weapon would clearly affect the assessment of guilt. As would an inclusive profile of one of the individuals Reed claims actually committed the murder. There have also been some developments in DNA testing in the last few years including the development of probabilistic genotyping software that account for sample degradation.
How's that?
The fact her fiance might have touched her belt in the past makes him the clear suspect?
And clears the guy who's DNA was all over her corpse, and was undeniably guilty of at least 5 other kidnappings and rapes?
If Reeds DNA isn’t on the belt that’s a problem for establishing his guilt for this crime.
And also no one, not even Thomas (whose opinion you just accept uncritically) has established that Reed is “undeniably guilty” of other rapes. He was never tried for those. Other women testified at the penalty phase that it happened. But that doesn’t establish “undeniable guilt.”
No, his DNA not being on the belt would NOT be a problem for establishing his guilt for this crime (which has already been established). The crime was in 1986 and the two belt segments apparently were not preserved in such a fashion so that one would expect the murderer's DNA to be on it.
That's not what was at issue in this case, anyway.
Its the key issue in the case because Reed argued that Texas's chain of custody requirements to test items violate the due process clause.
Technology changed. That the belt wasn't preserved in a fashion which would preserve any DNA did not violate due process. The guy was anyway proved guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and should have been executed over 20 years ago.
Due process doesn't require that TX invent a time machine.
Under Reed’s theory, he had recent physical contact with the victim unrelated to the murder. Under his theory, the alternate perpetrator also had recent physical contact with the victim unrelated to the murder. And most of the evidence had been contaminated prior to his request for testing. How would finding Reed’s DNA, the alternate perpetrator’s DNA, or someone else’s DNA shed any light on what had happened? For that matter, how would an inconclusive result show anything about anything?
And there are cases where that is very helpful! This just doesn’t seem like one of them.
Not finding Reed’s DNA on the belt would be evidence he didn’t kill her? How is this so difficult for you!? As would an inconclusive profile. If there isn’t a match on the belt he can argue that it’s just as likely the rapist fiancé did it. That’s all very significant.
“This just doesn’t seem like one of them.”
Well the Innocence Project which is much more selective in taking good cases and is much much more experienced in these matters disagrees. And I think their opinion is much more informed than yours, wouldn’t you agree?
Because it’s obviously not true, for anyone with a cursory familiarity with forensic DNA analysis? It is extremely common to not obtain a DNA profile from a piece of evidence even when there is no question that someone touched that object.
Again, how would an inconclusive profile be evidence of anything?
Under his theory, he and the alternate perpetrator both had innocent, recent physical contact with the victim shortly before the murder. In light of that, the presence of either of their DNA on her belt doesn’t seem especially probative.
No, I would not agree that the Innocence Project collectively or individual attorneys working for it are more informed than I am in this area.
It is extremely common to not obtain a DNA profile from a piece of evidence even when there is no question that someone touched that object.
On that premise, DNA evidence becomes a one-way ratchet which proves guilt, without power to assist with exoneration. Seems like a piss-poor way to think legally about whatever physical reality you think you are describing. It almost makes giving a DNA sample forced self-incrimination. If what you say is true, that might need reconsideration.
The presence of a person's DNA profile is circumstantial evidence that the person touched the item. The absence of a person's DNA on an item is not generally evidence that the person didn't touch the item, nor is the presence of a DNA profile for someone else. And of course, the presence of DNA profile on its own doesn't typically offer any indication of the circumstances under which the contact occurred.
At risk of belaboring the obvious, the extent to which this circumstantial evidence supports one side or the other depends on the specifics of the case.
For instance, imagine a case where the victim describes being sexually assaulted by a single person. If the defendant denies knowing the victim and argues mistaken identity, the presence of the defendant's DNA on the victim would be highly incriminating, and the defendant's exclusion from the DNA profile would (potentially) be powerfully exculpatory.
On the other hand, if the defendant admits having sexual contact with the victim but argues that it was consensual, then DNA isn't going to be particularly probative of anything.
The circumstances of this case are far more analogous to the latter circumstances than the former.
"Because it’s obviously not true, for anyone with a cursory familiarity with forensic DNA analysis?"
Do you have any? Because I do. And lack of a suspect profile on the murder weapon obviously makes it harder for the state to prove its case. I've worked on cases where they didn't have profile on a key piece of evidence. The state kept wanting to do testing to get one. Not having a profile creates reasonable doubt.
"Again, how would an inconclusive profile be evidence of anything?"
If the jury heard it was inconclusive that the suspect's DNA was on the murder weapon, well that is a problem for proving guilt.
"No, I would not agree that the Innocence Project collectively or individual attorneys working for it are more informed than I am in this area."
"In light of that, the presence of either of their DNA on her belt doesn’t seem especially probative."
The lack of presence of his does. It obviously would.
Why? What extensive training do you have?
The state already proved its case, though. And did so without needing to show the defendant's DNA on the murder weapon. You're arguing an entirely different fact pattern.
In this case, it did not.
” If there isn’t a match on the belt he can argue that it’s just as likely the rapist fiancé did it.”
If you ignore his semen in her vag and ass and his previous history of violent rapes, to start.
Did investigations of previous rapes make this defendant's semen available to investigators of this murder case?
A lot of comments in favor of execution seems predicated on a notion that this guy was already so guilty of other crimes that there ought to be no problem executing him for those, no matter what the evidence in this case might show. It is a notable weakness in DNA evidence cases that prosecutors might join others in thinking that way.
If prosecutors of that sort have access to DNA from the suspect, then outlandish DNA statistics pointing to conviction shrink down to less imposing statistics to show the probability of prosecutorial misconduct. It is a shame that such skepticism about prosecutors needs consideration, but that consideration is especially well warranted in cases of repeat previous offenders who have aroused public ire.
I'm not totally sure I understand your question, but they obtained the defendant's known DNA sample when he was subsequently arrested for abducting a second women in the same area under similar circumstances. They obtained his sperm (not semen, which doesn't contain genetic material) from the victim's body.
"A lot of comments in favor of execution seems predicated on a notion that this guy was already so guilty of other crimes that there ought to be no problem executing him for those, no matter what the evidence in this case might show."
Bullshit. Exactly no one has said anything like that. Reed should be executed for the Stacey Stites murder because there is no reasonable doubt that he committed THAT MURDER.
Except the Innocence Project has dug up multiple eye witnesses claiming the husband, a cop, was abusive, and had made statements threatening to kill his wife, and even claimed to have killed his wife.
None of which was presented at trial.
Is it so hard to believe that the police focused on the black suspected rapist while ignoring the possible guilt of one of their own?
If nothing else there's a lot of reasonable doubt.
Who's on first?
An I the only one who is lost?
And if you're gonna execute the guy, test the DNA!
For once, I'm with Dr. Ed.
Why is that hard?
Because:
1. The government already tested the most probative DNA evidence, which matched the defendant (incidentally, they only got the defendant’s DNA in the first place because he was arrested for attempting to rape and murder a second victim under similar circumstances);
2. The government agreed to test additional items following the filing of this lawsuit (just not all of the dozens of items the defendant requested);
3. The defendant’s trial strategy was to blame the victim’s fiancé, whose DNA could reasonably be expected to be present on her clothes, property, and body, so it’s hard to see how the results of the requested testing would be significant.
Given how cheap a DNA test is in comparison to a series of hearings, it is rational to test the DNA. And this is true even if one is worried about other inmates trying the same thing.
I think you’re both seriously underestimating the costs of testing and overestimating the costs of hearings—particularly when you take into account the increase in requests if the answer is always yes.
If his DNA isn’t on the murder weapon that’s significant. They’re resisting testing the main piece of evidence. It would also be significant if his DNA wasn’t on the belt.
Unless I’m misunderstanding you, the belt was the murder weapon. And neither the absence of his DNA nor the presence of someone else’s seems especially probative. (For that matter, the presence of his DNA doesn’t seem like it would be especially probative the other way.)
Sorry. should have been more clear: the presence or absence of reed’s DNA on the belt is highly significant. It would also be highly significant if his wasn’t on the belt and Fennell’s was.
Two utterly ridiculous statement's in a row.
Again, the absence of Reed's DNA on the belt would not be unexpected even though he murdered her.
Again the presence of the boyfriend's DNA on her belt would indicate nothing relevant.
The presence of Reed's semen in the victims vag and ass and the testimony about his other violent rapes... damn right, THAT was significant.
Again, the absence of Reed’s DNA on the belt would not be unexpected even though he murdered her.
She was strangled with a belt. If his DNA isn't on that....that's a huge problem!
You keep saying that stupid shit even when it’s explained to you why it’s no problem whatsoever if no trace of Reed's DNA is found on the belt. Luckily no one has to “convince” YOU that 1+1=2, because if you didn’t like the implications of that you’d deny it, since you have no shame whatsoever.
With Stephen Reinhardt deceased, no court in the country would overturn a decades-old conviction based on the fact that the convicted killer's DNA was not found on a belt that had not even been preserved properly for those decades.
If the conviction had been based on the fact that his DNA was on the belt, then disproving that might well serve to sufficiently undermine the conviction. But this is just, "Hey, let's test everything on the planet in the desperate hope of creating FUD."
"(For that matter, the presence of his DNA doesn’t seem like it would be especially probative the other way.)"
On the contrary. Why would Reed's DNA be on her belt?
Because he had had sex with her?
At this point there’s no need for you to further prove that you are shameless and dumb as a box of rocks.
By “had sex” you mean “raped”, so the answer would be that Reed’s DNA would (still) be on her belt BECAUSE HE WAS GUILTY. Which as I pointed out contradicts the claim that “For that matter, the presence of his DNA doesn’t seem like it would be especially probative the other way.” It WOULD be probative. Of GUILT. But since the DNA in his semen in her vag an ass already better established what belt DNA would establish the additional proof would be pointless.
(incidentally, they only got the defendant’s DNA in the first place because he was arrested for attempting to rape and murder a second victim under similar circumstances)
Yikes! That seems to show the relevant statistic in this case is not the one with the giant DNA denominator, but the one with the much smaller prosecutorial misconduct denominator. Does repeat offender status increase probability of prosecutorial misconduct? If so, what ironclad evidence custody steps have been taken to keep fruits of previous investigations from being accessed by prosecutors of this case? From that comment, it seems like maybe none at all.
Are you seriously suggesting that the evidence collected from the other victim should have been suppressed?
"The prosecutors fabricated the DNA match" may have just taken pride of place over "the monkey selfie is a forgery" among your crackpot theories.
Blackman is always consistent in his support of the police state.
I'm not. But Reed is guilty as fuck and it's long past time to put him down.
No. Effin’. Way. Gandy is Blackman’s puppet account? Or one of them at least? Hilarious!
In your case "Village Idiot" isn't just an act.
Blah blah blah “[partisan rhetoric]” blah blah blah.
That’s twelve and one half pages to scroll past on mobile for one post.
Use the “read more” function you goddamn narcissist.
You lobbying for reparations for excessive scrolling?
You should get a lawyer, then he'll explain what "failure to state a claim" means.
It could be mere inattention, but the complaint is otherwise sound.
Sure it does. It has 6 votes on the S.Ct. And Josh doesn’t get a vote.
To quote Aliens … “Game over, man! Game over!”
I think Kav + 5 have a simple and correct argument: the SOL clock starts when the state court’s final decisión happens. That’s the only Q they decided.
And TX should just test shit at that point.
At the same time, if Thomas’s recitation of the facts is correct - including that Reed’s semen was found in the vagina and ass of the rape victim, and Reed initially denied even knowing her, but later claimed he was having an affair with her - then Reed has a huuuge uphill battle even if someone else’s DNA is present on the victim’s belt. I’m pretty sure TX can overcome that scenario.
Everyone take a deep breath. It’s gonna be OK.
Well if 6 votes is the standard for not criticizing a decision then we’re all good with Dobbs and Bruen now, right?
The TL,DR here is “Thomas writes typically idiosyncratic solo dissent; Josh bloviates”.
It’s 8-1 on the jurisdiction argument - he couldn’t even get Alito and Gorsuch to join him.
Yawn.
Solo dissents are always more coherent than a majority opinion that’s the product of discussion and compromise.
That of course ignores Thomas’ observation that the district court is not the correct court to review a TX court’s interpretation of TX law (cert previously requested and NOT granted) and that the prosecutor was the wrong party to sue.
And, no, getting 6 votes says nothing whatsoever about whether the majority decision is crap.
You have to understand, Texas *really* enjoys executing people.
Reed isn't "people". He's scum.
That might be right.
But that isn't. They first decided (necessarily) the standing/jurisdiction issue. And I think Thomas is right on that one.
Deciding the standing/jurisdiction issue wasn't "unnecessary". It was necessary but wrongly decided. It was the statute of limitations decision that was unnecessary.
We have to keep in mind the almost total unreliability of DNA evidence.
It can't even tell men from women anymore - - - - - - - - - - - -
Justice Thomas is basically arguing that Rooker-Feldman shouldn’t have been decimated. Back when Rooker-Feldman had teeth, it was straightforward that once the Texas courts decided the question, a federal court couldn’t rehash it, except for Supreme Court appelate review. But the Supreme Court decimated Rooker-Feldman.
It seems to me Justice Thomas is fighting a hyper-technical rear-guard action to decimate the decimation of Rooker-Feldman by making federal review practically always untimely by the time the state courts are done. That makes no sense. Either keep Rooker-Feldman and say there’s no federal rehash, or get rid of Rooker-Feldman and, if you do that, make the federal rehash workable.
Booker Feldman says that federal courts below the Supreme Court must not become a court of appeals for state court decisions. This has nothing obvious to do with timeliness. Nor is it in any obvious way "hyper-technical".
Has Thomas previously acquiesced in the "decimation" of Booker Feldman? If not then you are accusing him of consistency. Horrors!
Professor Blackman fatuously questions whether there is an injury in fact here. The petitioner's asserted claim is that he has been deprived of procedural due process. That is itself an injury in fact, irrespective of whether the same substantive result would have been reached had due process been afforded. See, Carey v. Piphus, 435 U.S. 247 (1978).
It is fatuous to conflate whether an injury in fact is claimed with whether an injury in fact occurred, and whether an injury in fact is claimed and whether the defendant is the one who can be alleged to have committed it.
But conflation is what you do all the time. Why stop now?
I really hate these cases where a simple data point (when does the clock start), is up to interpretation.
Codify it and move on.
Just because some lawyer is claiming to be engaging in interpretation doesn't mean that what he's actually engaging in is not motivated obfuscation.
I have made several comments about troublesome concerns which entangle DNA evidence, and prosecutorial misconduct. I will generalize the point. The extreme statistical reliability claimed for DNA evidence has a flip side, which ought to make use of it difficult to defend.
The problem is simply stated. Statistically, an accurate DNA match to a prisoner, correctly collected, and honestly prosecuted, amounts to certainty of guilt. That risks making fraudulently presented DNA evidence an all-powerful tool which malicious prosecutors could reach for to frame innocent prisoners. There is no point pretending that malicious prosecution is not a realistic possibility in many cases. It cannot be reckoned a rare phenomenon among criminal cases generally.
DNA evidence is a tool so dangerous to the accused in court, that judicial caution ought to deny use of it, except in cases where access to the prisoner’s DNA by prosecutors can be totally ruled out. It is hard to see how that could even be done, and still make a DNA match testable. Most of the hardest-to-manage problems will occur during evidence collection at crime scenes. Yet it seems foolish in the extreme to suppose such a perfect means of conviction will not be abused with increasing frequency unless safeguards can be put in place.
Reflecting on that, I wonder if some naturally time-sensitive indicator associated with a DNA sample might be discoverable. For instance, it would be useful to be able to distinguish the DNA of a prisoner taken at the time of his arrest from all other samples of his DNA taken or found at other times. If some means could be found to sort DNA samples on ordered timelines, that would be better still.
I would just add that DNA alone should never be THE absolute determining factor of guilty or not guilty.
Example: semen is found on a gunshot murder victim and the semen's 'owner' is identified.
This does not mean the owner IS the murderer and maybe they had consensual sex and then she was murdered by someone else.
Other evidence, e.g., witnesses heard them arguing, the 'owner had gunshot residue on his hands, etc., absolutely has to be found.
No, the fact that Reed had sex with the victim does not establish that it was rape.
The fact that he had a pattern of violent rapes and she had no history of having vaginal and anal sex with random meth head derelicts on her way home from work affects the probabilities, however. “Guilt beyond a reasonable doubt” is not “mathematical certainty”.
"You can't use evidence because it's too reliable" is certainly a take. A moronic one, but a take.
It's the OJ defense isn't it? The DNA samples were either degraded, which means they were contaminated, or they were fresh, which means they were planted.
Neither applies in this case, so, no.
For convenient reference, here’s a Reed-sympathetic take on the case. (“They said Stites and Reed had consensual sex and that Fennell murdered his fiancee after discovering the affair, establishing motive for the murder.” “[E]stablishing”??? When it comes to shameless lying, Lefty can’t help himself.):https://heavy.com/news/rodney-reed-stacey-stites-convicted-murder/