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Comparing Comparison of Vaccine Mandate and Nuremberg to Swastikas Isn't Libelous
From Comic Strip Promotions, Inc. v. Envivo LLC, decided Tuesday by New York trial court judge Lisa Headley, in a controversy that apparently stemmed from this Instagram post:
From the opinion:
On or about January 9, 2022, Plaintiff … comedy club, published a social media post on Instagram, which contained hashtags related to the anti-vaccine mandate and Nuremberg. It has been alleged that Plaintiff's post offended a Jewish community member because it suggested an equivalency between the vaccine mandate and the persecution of Jews during the Holocaust. Thereafter, New York City Councilmember Julie Menin … wrote a letter to Plaintiff denouncing the post, and demanding the Plaintiff to make a public apology. On or about January 11, 2022, Defendant … Patch Media … published an article [apparently this one -EV]…, which discussed an investigation surrounding the Nazi Swastika symbols found on bills from an ATM. The Patch article discussed another occurrence of anti-Semitism in the area and the anti-vaccine social media post by the Plaintiff, which compared the city's vaccine mandate to Nazi Germany.
Plaintiff commenced this action against defendants for, inter alia, defamation, defamation per se, and tort of trade libel and/or injurious falsehoods. It should be noted that the action against, Councilmember Menin has been dismissed pursuant to the Court's Decision and Order dated October 31, 2022….
Plaintiff … argues that the Patch Defendants published a defamatory article which compared Plaintiff's hashtags to the swastika found on money, in an unrelated incident, implying Plaintiff is racist or antisemitic. Plaintiff contends Defendant Patch's statement were factual, however grossly inaccurate since persons reading the Patch article would associate Plaintiff with Nazi imagery. In addition, Plaintiff argues that this action cannot be dismissed because the Patch Defendants acted in a grossly irresponsible manner by publishing mixed opinions. Lastly, Plaintiff argues that the Patch Defendants amended affirmation should be rejected because it was filed without permission or leave of the court…
In determining whether a particular communication is actionable, a distinction is recognized between a statement of opinion that implies an undisclosed factual basis, and an opinion that is accompanied by the recitation of facts on which it is based. Here, this court finds that the Patch Defendants publication was an opinion that referenced Councilmember Menin's letter, and was based upon the social media post made by Plaintiff.
The court therefore concluded that the statement was the latter kind of opinion (because it disclosed the accurate factual assertions on which it was based), and therefore not actionable as defamation. Seems generally correct to me. (I don't personally view excessive comparisons to the Holocaust, Nuremberg Trials, the Nuremberg Code, the Nazis, etc. as anti-Semitic, though I think they are often unsound and sometimes in bad taste; but that too is just my opinion.)
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"Comparing Comparison ..."? That seems a clumsy headline. Typo? Or a meaning I'm just not getting?
I think that's the way to describe it -- the defendant was taking plaintiff's comparison and comparing it to someone else.
Yes, but it was very hard to parse. Maybe change it to "Analogizing comparison of anti-vaccine yada yada…"?
The comedy club condemned vaccine mandates and apparently referred to the Nuremberg Code, according to Wiki, "a set of ethical research principles for human experimentation created by the court in U.S. v Brandt, one of the Subsequent Nuremberg trials that were held after the Second World War."
The oulet "patch media" condemned this as anti-Semitism and equated it to another incident that week where someone found a dollar bill with a swastika on it. (Nobody knows who put it there, perhaps the same person who "discovered" it).
So the defendant compared the plaintiff's comparison to a swastika graffiti, but this comparison of the comparison was not libelous. It did however multiply any overwroughtness of the original comparison by a large factor, in my opinion.
The meaning of the headline is perfectly straightforward. It's your incomplete quotation of it that tends to make it seem hard to understand.
Parse as follows: "Comparing [Comparison of (Vaccine Mandate) and (Nuremberg)] to ([putting]Swastikas[on currency]) Isn't Libelous"
It seems like the defendants never heard of the Nuremberg Code.
It’s amazing the number of people who have never heard of it nor the trials there.
It seems the plaintiffs heard about it from Twitter and not from an actual history book.
You're ignorant, or spouting lying bullshit. Your apparent sense of your own superiority would go down better if you weren’t so patently wrong so often. A prohibition on forced submission to medical experiments without informed consent is ABSOLUTELY part of the in the Nuremberg Code restrictions as currently understood. Perhaps you don’t know what the “E” in “EUA” stands for either?
More specifically, the post said "#nurenberg". Berg I know: hill, mountain, place name suffix. Nuren does not appear to be a word in any European language. It is a transliteration of Mandarin 女人 "woman". City of women? Witch mountain?
Perhaps it is "Nurnen," a sea inside Mordor. However Nurnen is surrounded by plains which are in turn surrounded by mountains, so a single mountain would be difficult to identify.
"Nurnberg" is an old spelling- I know that if you look at the hardcopy federal reporters (West actually published the judgment of the International Military Tribunal), they spell it "Nurnberg".
That is just a dreadfully bad headline. Dreadful.
Edit: I forgive you. It more or less reflects the convolutions of the story.
Yes, that was why I was drawn to it.
Is there any evidence of absence of malice -- and if Patch were pro vaccine mandate, would that constitute malice?
I ask because I do not think it was ethical for them to report this in the context of what purportedly was an actual crime (defacing US Currency) along with (allegedly) somehow getting the defaced currency into a locked ATM.
Maybe not actionable, but it ought to be!
Nope. The “actual crime” bit is irrelevant. The comparison of printing swastikas on currency to referring to Nuremberg in a hashtag is ignorant and stupid but, no, no complaint about it should get into court.
And, no, the bills in ATM machines aren’t necessarily new ones, so there’s no mystery about how the swastika bills got in there. Presumably if the bank had noticed them they could have turned them back in for replacement along with torn ones and the like. But the bank didn’t notice them.
No. This has been yet another episode of Simple Answers to Stupid Questions.
As you've been told many times here, malice for defamation purposes means knowledge that a statement is false, or speaking with knowledge of its probable falsity. Nothing here was false.
The assertion that there was any comparison to be made between printing swastikas on $20 bulls and using a "nurenberg" hashtag was absolutely false even if it wasn't actionable.
Anent of this, perhaps:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/08/world/europe/benjamin-b-ferencz-dead.html
A·nent /əˈnent/ preposition
1. concerning; about: archaic Scottish
Yours is a more problematic usage than the headline which has gotten so much complaint.
All these case-specific defamation rulings are interesting, but I’d really like to see some of the authors here weigh in on big things like the Dominion case and Florida’s anti-LGBTQ agendas. Maybe I’ve just missed them. I do appreciate the posts addressing academic freedom problems, but the issues seem bigger to me than just academics. Florida in particular strikes me as authoritarian, and its many power plays of interest to the authors here.
Not that I'm opposed to being anti-LGBTQ, but anti-Woke-pushing-in-K-12 is not the same as being “anti-LGBTQ”.