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Justice Janet Protasiewicz, Say Hello To Caperton v. Massey
The candidate, who spoke about her "values" on abortion and gerrymandering, received substantial financial support from donors who lobby for those two key issues.
On Monday, I spoke at the University of Wisconsin at Madison--my first time in the Badger State. As I drove from Milwaukee to the state capital, I scanned local radio stations. Virtually every commercial concerned the upcoming race for the state supreme court. Janet Protasiewicz (pronounced pro-tuh-SAY-witz), the "liberal" candidate, was facing off against Daniel Kelly, the "conservative" candidate. I use scare-quotes because the state does not provide party affiliation for judicial races, but everyone knew where the candidates stood. Indeed, the election had largely become a referendum on two primary issues: abortion and gerrymandering. The current Supreme Court, which has a 4-3 conservative majority, had upheld the maps drawn by the Republican-controlled legislature. And that same Court has not recognized a right to abortion under the state Constitution. The victor of the election would cast the deciding vote on these two issues, and many more. Unsurprisingly, money flooded into the state--more than $45 million. Protasiewicz, in particular, received about $9 million from the state Democratic party.
Moreover, the candidates themselves jumped into the fray. Kelly routinely attacked Protasiewicz as someone who would ignore the Constitution and rule of law. I heard him give a live interview on a conservative call-in program as I was driving back to the airport. It sounded like a speech any politician would give. Protasiewicz, on the other hand, seemed to strongly signal how she would vote on the abortion and gerrymandering. Don't take my word for it. Here is the New York Times:
Judge Protasiewicz, 60, shattered long-held notions of how judicial candidates should conduct themselves by making her political priorities central to her campaign. She made explicit her support for abortion rights and called the maps, which gave Republicans near-supermajority control of the Legislature, "rigged" and "unfair." . . .
Judge Protasiewicz made a calculation from the start of the race that Wisconsin voters would reward her for making clear her positions on abortion rights and the state's maps — issues most likely to animate and energize the base of the Democratic Party.
In an interview at her home on Tuesday before the results were known, Judge Protasiewicz (pronounced pro-tuh-SAY-witz) attributed her success on the campaign trail to the decision to inform voters of what she called "my values," as opposed to Justice Kelly, who used fewer specifics about his positions.
"Rather than reading between the lines and having to do your sleuthing around like I think people have to do with him, I think I would rather just let people know what my values are," she said. "We'll see tonight if the electorate appreciates that candor or not."
Protasiewicz used the word "values" to avoid opining on the legal issues. But her statements, at a minimum, raise serious questions about her impartiality.
I flew home on Monday evening, and the election was held on Tuesday. Protasiewicz won by a comfortable margin. And those who supported her campaign, including Wisconsin Democrats, will soon reap the benefits:
Once Judge Protasiewicz assumes her place on the court on Aug. 1, the first priority for Wisconsin Democrats will be to bring a case to challenge the current legislative maps, which have given Republicans all but unbreakable control of the state government in Madison.
Jeffrey A. Mandell, the president of Law Forward, a progressive law firm that has represented Mr. Evers, said he would file a legal request for the Supreme Court to hear a redistricting case the day after Judge Protasiewicz is seated.
"Pretty much everything problematic in Wisconsin flows from the gerrymandering," Mr. Mandell said in an interview on Tuesday. "Trying to address the gerrymander and reverse the extreme partisan gerrymandering we have is the highest priority."
Remember how bad it was when the North Carolina Supreme Court revisited its earlier position on legislative maps? Well, now it will be good that the Wisconsin Supreme Court does the same thing. Everyone, switch sides!
I think it likely that Protasiewicz will face recusal motions on cases concerning abortion and gerrymandering. As I understand the protocol, if Protasiewicz denies the recusal motion, the matter would eventually be appealed to the full state supreme Court. And it seems likely that the bench would divide 3-3, thus leaving Protasiewicz on the case.
But there is another option for recusal in federal court. Caperton v. A. T. Massey Coal Co. (2009) held that in some "extreme" cases, the failure of a judge to recuse may violate the Due Process Cause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Justice Kennedy wrote the majority opinion in Caperton. Chief Justice Roberts wrote the principal dissent, which was joined by Justices Scalia, Thomas and Alito.
I won't even bother explaining the reasoning in Justice Kennedy's majority opinion because there isn't any. For Justice Kennedy, any problem could be cured by the Fourteenth Amendment. Thankfully he is retired. Alas, his precedents remain binding on the lower courts until expressly overruled. Justice Scalia's Talmudic dissent was, as always, right on point:
A Talmudic maxim instructs with respect to the Scripture: "Turn it over, and turn it over, for all is therein." The Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Aboth, Ch. V, Mishnah 22 (I. Epstein ed. 1935). Divinely inspired text may contain the answers to all earthly questions, but the Due Process Clause most assuredly does not. The Court today continues its quixotic quest to right all wrongs and repair all imperfections through the Constitution.
But I do want to flag the Chief's dissent. He listed four questions--err, sorry in the Passover spirit--forty questions that the majority failed to answer. Question #9 is especially relevant:
9. What if the case involves a social or ideological issue rather than a financial one? Must a judge recuse from cases involving, say, abortion rights if he has received "disproportionate" support from individuals who feel strongly about either side of that issue? If the supporter wants to help elect judges who are "tough on crime," must the judge recuse in all criminal cases?
Justice Janet Protasiewicz, get ready for the Caperton claims.
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You know, even though Supreme Court Justices are not elected, they get lots of financial support in their confirmation process from various groups.
Can we demand that they recuse from relevant cases because of that?
Regardless, could we trash this fantasy about how judges aren't supposed to have preconceived ideas about issues? Save it for 7th grade civics.
This is why judges should not be elected; it removes even the fig leaf from the claim that they're not politicians.
This is why judges should be elected. It removes the dumb pretense that appointment and life tenure somehow makes them unpolitical.
Getting rid of that pretense would be highly desirable.
Why should we have a system where judicial candidates/nominees are routinely required and known to lie in order to attain office?
How does that create confidence in the judiciary?
Given the power of our blacked robed masters, they all should be elected. Its the only way to let people have any say in the juristocracy's governance.
Appeals and supremes yes. Trial courts meh. Elections of trial court judges has led to some not great trial judges being on the bench. Though then again, I’ve also seen some incredibly terrible appointments.
I've lived and practiced in both kinds of jurisdictions -- in which judges are appointed and in which judges are elected. The problem with electing them is that the race to the bottom that characterizes the other two branches impacts the judiciary as well. You've got candidates who appeal to the worst instincts of the masses, who raise the specter of the sky falling if the other guy is elected, who hurl mud at their opponents, and oh, by the way, these campaigns are mostly financed by lawyers who will then appear before the judges whose campaigns they financed. Plus, we need judges who are willing to make unpopular decisions because sometimes the right decision is mighty unpopular.
You also get a better class of judge if they've been vetted by the executive branch. Elected judges tend disproportionately to be failed solo practitioners, sometimes with little actual trial experience. Here in Florida, our bench has a significant number of people who never would have made it through any real vetting process. I once had the experience of sitting in a courtroom and listening to one of our elected judges get bested by a sovereign citizen and it wasn't pretty.
There aren't that many things that I can think of that would make the process of picking Supreme Court justices worse. Electing them is one thing that would.
Lots of words to say "I hate democracy".
The "masses" don't like you either.
My arguments were all addressed to what is good public policy. I notice you didn't even bother to try to refute them.
And since you claim to love democracy, I'm sure you will join me in calling to abolish the electoral college and two senators per state.
Electors and senators are elected.
So was the old Soviet politburo. I trust even you understand the difference between the electoral college and real democracy.
The Constitution didn’t establish a democracy,. (Senators were of course NOT elected.)
The benefits that you imagine accrue to appointment are debunked by experience.
Either way, we’ve got a President elected in a state of dementia and a Justice who imagines you can’t define “woman” without a degree in biology. This is not good.
While I have argued on other threads that we would be better off without the electoral college, that was not the point of my comment here. (And I do think that whether we would be better off without it is a far more important question than what the framers intended, which I candidly don’t care about,)
Here, I was just pointing out that Bob’s professed love for democracy is a bit odd given his support for the anti democratic electoral college. I guess he loves democracy except when he doesn’t.
Queenie: “…the Framers used the word republic and democracy interchangeably”
That doesn’t matter in the slightest, even if true. I will rephrase so as to clarify this for you: “The Constitution didn’t establish a “real”democracy as Krychek used it in his second and third comments in this thread.
@Krychek: Bob’s observation that your comment was basically “I hate democracy” was spot on. You want judges who will do “unpopular but right” things because you trust what you imagine to be a better class of people to be better at discerning what is right than the people as a whole. This anti-democratic class bias has nothing to do with the extra protection given regional interests intended by the electoral college. The latter, unlike the former, has nothing to do with who is better suited to decide issues.
Gandy, I love democracy when we're talking about the political branches. I also recognize there needs to be an unelected branch to keep the political branches from violating individual rights, even when violating individual rights is popular. I hope that clears it up for you.
I rarely agree with Krychek on anything but on this point I agree completely.
I also have lived in jurisdictions that elect judges and jurisdictions that appoint them. Both approaches have their warts and weaknesses. Overall, my experience is that appointed judges are the lesser evil.
In my ideal world, I think I would have trial judges and intermediate judges be appointed, but supreme court justices still elected. At the highest levels, the large majority of a court's work is deciding policy through the narrow lens of a single case. Those people need to be answerable to the electorate.
I like the hybrid approach favored by some States (eg California?): the governor nominates a judge subject to some safeguards (weeding out the demagogues and hacks favored in direct election), but the voters get to vote the judge up or down after 6 or 12 years. II a judge is voted out, the Governor names his replacement subject to the same safeguards.
What "safeguards"?
"Can we demand that they recuse from relevant cases because of that?"
You're free to demand whatever your heart desires.
Fishing for a new way to get your name into headlines, are we, Josh?
You and Blackman don't constitute a "we" in anyone's imagination except your own.
I also doubt if HE is imagining this article will produce any headlines.
You need to get back on your meds.
I hadn’t noticed the author when I started reading and I still knew within a paragraph that it must be Blackman.
Was it the fourth time you encountered the word "I" that gave it away?
I find it curious that Professor Blackman omits any discussion of Republican Party of Minnesota v. White, 536 U.S. 765 (2002), where a canon of judicial conduct that prohibited a candidate for a judicial office from announcing his or her views on disputed legal or political issues was held to violate the First Amendment.
Hey, they can totally do that. But then they can't *also* hear the cases they've pre-judged.
they can’t *also* hear the cases they’ve pre-judged.
Oh really?
You mean the conservative Justices shouldn't have sat on Dobbs?
Give me a fucking break.
Is it your claim that the conservatives in Dobbs prejudged the case but the liberal ones did not?
It’s that everyone prejudges everything.
"You mean the conservative Justices shouldn’t have sat on Dobbs?"
As if Davy had said that the Progs were free of obvious bias.
Give me a fucking break.
1. There is zero chance you would post this if Kelley won even though he’s done the same things.
2. Why don’t you raise these same issues about current sitting Justice Rebecca Bradley who openly campaigned for Kelley and implied that 55% of voters were not good people because they did not support “an honorable Christian man?”
If Bradley doesn’t recuse then no need for Protasiewicz to.
Also you did zero posts on Pat DeWine flagrantly violating Ohio’s judicial ethics code by staying on a case where his dad was a fact witness. So I consider your sudden concern for state Supreme Court judicial integrity incredibly convenient.
Josh sees what Republicans are plotting in Wisconsin and is suggesting a "zag" where they're "zigging." He wants to help conservatives in Wisconsin thwart the outcome of this election, but he doesn't get the credit if he just jumps in with where the hive-mind is going.
That's his whole bag. His entire career. Mercenary work for the right, to own the libz and build his CV.
If he can get a gig on Fox News, he'd make a lot more than college professor ever could. And... he'd get invited to all the great parties!
The same things? Kelly wasn't running TV ads about abortion. Protasiewicz ran on practically nothing else.
I don't see how Bradley's campaigning is the same thing at all.
Yes we have no way of knowing which way this guy would rule on abortion and there’s no way he would ever signal that to anyone:
https://justicedanielkelly.com/endorsements/
No one in that state or the country generally is stupid enough to believe that he would rule anything other than against abortion rights. Playing “I’m not touching you” isn’t fooling anyone.
As for Bradley: take a look at her Twitter feed. You don’t have to guess what her position is. It’s so freaking obvious she has prejudged the outcome.
I mean why in earth would she be concerned that Kelly’s opponent “slandered a good Christian man” if she didn’t think that mattered to how he would rule? And what the implications of that were?
This is just more bad faith intentional stupidity from people who also claim federalist society isn’t some conservative advocacy organization because it doesn’t file amicus briefs (you don’t need to file briefs when you can just pick the judges).
Ironically, Abortion is the only thing keeping Wisconsin a 1/2 way "Toss Up" State
You have that bass-ackwards. Wisconsinland was a toss-up state before Dobbs.
Kelly got thumped because it's post-Dobbs ... and he's a reactionary christofascist boor who was all-in to subvert what clear majorities of the state population want with respect to bodily autonomy and gerrymandering. It wasn't even close because us Wisconsinites know he is, and we resoundingly rejected that person and judicial philosophy.
"But her statements, at a minimum, raise serious questions about her impartiality."
There is no question at all about her impartiality. None at all.
No doubt there will be a case to redistrict WI again...and this time the seats will go to the Dems.
We will end up with ad-hoc law. Dems will love it. Rep leadership will secretly love it. Most of the public will be apathetic. It will drive ethical and professional lawyers crazy. How can you advise clients when the judges are making it up as they go along?
The solution to that is a non-partisan (equally split between the two parties) redistricting commission required by law to draw compact districts. Not holding my breath.
Oh, an Electoral College for judges.
No, compact districts for legislators.
Let districts be drawn by our new AI overlords.
They would probably be more fairly drawn then a lot of the ones we have now.
What’s the limiting principle here? Should the moribund GOP in CA get half the votes?
"Bi-partisan" and "non-partisan" are not, btw, the same thing.
Proportional representation.
I'm often of the opinion that states with bicameral legislatures should have one body that uses proportional representation (prob what is called the "House" in most states), while the other remains geographic (the "Senate"). Analogous to the Federal model, imperfect as it is.
Having a wildly gerrymandered Leg here in WI (~50% of votes translating into a 2/3 supermajority in the Senate) would be much less consequential if the WI House even reasonably reflected the WI population. There would probably be a (D) House and a (R) Senate, and they'd have to (gasp!) actually compromise. It would be good for the state, IMHO.
Gandy, I am one of those apparently rare individuals who hates gerrymandering even when my side does it. So yes, I would give California’s Republican Party half the votes on a redistricting commission to keep the Democrats honest. I would give Democrats half the votes in Idaho for the same reason. Gerrymandering bad, no exceptions. I really do believe a legislature should be as accurate a reflection of the voters as possible.
I'll trade you commission-based maps for getting rid of every single consideration except compactness and equal size in a heartbeat. Racial gerrymandering is far worse than political gerrymandering.
Just wondering.
How much money, on each side, came from out of state?
Just another example of Democrats abandoning the norms and traditions of civilization and rule of law.
It there any doubt she will be an activist and vote for her values despite the way the laws are written?
Wisconsin voters are going to miss democracy now that it’s gone.
"Wisconsin voters are going to miss democracy now that it’s gone."
Well this is a fundamental misunderstanding of both Wisconsin politics and "democracy."
Wisconsin is so gerrymandered that the republican party has a super-majority of the legislature despite never getting near that in statewide support and in some years not even having majority support. They used that supermajority to continually frustrate democrats handily elected statewide by stripping powers in lame duck sessions and refusing to confirm appointees.
Scott Walker appointees actually refused to leave office even thought their terms expired so that the current Governor could not make appointments.
The republicans justify this result by claiming that Madison and Milwaukee basically don't really count as Wisconsinites.
Three of the conservative justices on the State Supreme Court accepted Trump's false claims and were hinting at remedies that would throw out votes and invalidate the result.
With this backdrop in mind, the voters overwhelmingly voted for a liberal 55-45, to maybe rein in the excessive gerrymandering of the legislative maps and bring some sanity to a court that has Justices willing to invalidate elections.
That's democracy in action right now. It's not gone. It finally arrived for once.
That’s a long-winded way to defend election cheating, phony ballot schemes, and 4 justices on the court acting as a politburo.
No. it's a long-winded way to defend democracy.
Literally no allegations of that in this election, and yet, Kelley still gets trounced. You're just pissy because the majority actually doesn't support Wisconsin republicans anymore. That's democracy in action.
Phony ballots don’t make a majority.
What phony ballots? Show your work.
It'll be the Democrats claiming phony Ballots when "45" wins next year.
Seriously, the person who lost and his supporters were clearly willing to engage in election denial for Trump, and yet they didn’t even bother coming up with lies or excuses for the loss. And yet here you are saying there are “phony ballots.”
If Kelley and Bradley won’t even say it why are you?!?
Lying about phony ballots doesn't prove election fraud.
Lying about the consequences of not checking sigs on a flood of absentee ballots doesn't prove election integrity.
And that’s a long-winded way to say “tldr.”
"Democracy" is when one side gets 2/3 of the power despite only getting half the votes.
I'm sure the people of Wisconsin will be absolutely devastated to lose such a wonderful system.
That is of course the natural consequnce of a first-past-the-post system.
Come back to me when you have a complaint about it benefitting you.
Benefitting me? How would that be possible? It benefits nobody when politicians entrench themselves from the reach of the voters.
If you're referring to instances where Dems do similar things, like in Illinois and Maryland, yes, that's bullshit too. It should be illegal across the board.
With that out of the way, would you like to try to actually defend the merits of this system?
If you want to address my challenge you'll need to link to where you complained about Illinois and Maryland when it wasn't just to attempt to gain credibility for a whine about the GOP benefitting from the system.
So no, you can’t defend the system. Got it.
So, no, you can't actually produce any example of your complaining when the system amplified your preferences.
It's almost like you think voters never change their minds.
"Recusal"? Fat freakin' chance! She has to deliver on her promises or face the wrath of her tolerant "Progressive" supporters.
In case you hadn't noticed, Lefty (almost) never recuses from a case that offers a chance to please the Wokies.
That way the big Bi-Coastal donor class can brag about "their" achievements at the next Private Club get together. All while the number of dead minority babies continues to go up.
I don't understand the reasoning, therefore there is no reasoning.
This is definitely a quality that people are looking for in a law professor.
Its Tony K., it was all feelings with him.
Chag Pesach Semeach, Professor Blackman (and fellow Tribe Members)!
Thanks, and a chag sameach to you! For your amusement, when I was sending that message on my phone, it suggested that I meant "sandwich". 🙂
A Hillel sandwich. ????
Yochluhu!
I am amused at the thought of Scalia reading Pirké Avot.
About the gerrymandering....
The Wisconsin Supreme Court actually approved Governor Evers' legislative map proposal, originally. (And he's a Democrat, for those who didn't know.) The US Supreme Court struck the maps down because they were racially motivated. The Wisconsin Supreme Court then approved the maps sent by the Republican-majority legislature, instead. The swing-vote justice, who voted for Evers' plan first and the legislature's plan later, said the maps from the legislature "are the only legally compliant maps we received."
The Wisconsin Supreme Court actually approved Governor Evers’ legislative map proposal, originally. (And he’s a Democrat, for those who didn’t know.)
The Court had first established a requirement of minimum change from the 2010 map, which was already an extreme Republican gerrymander. Evers’ map had to adhere to that very arbitrary requirement to be considered at all. It was hardly a map he would have proposed if starting from scratch.
Not arbitrary, it was well established in Wisconsin case law.
Furthermore, people keep saying "gerrymander" for maps they don't like. You know that none of these maps look remotely like the thin, long, oddly-angled, weirdly curved, that gerrymander came from, right?
Are you under the misimpression that people oppose partisan "gerrymandering" because it sometimes results in aesthetically displeasing maps?
It's so weird how since 2020, Democrats seem to win these key important elections with down ballot votes that are completely incongruent with the national/important ones.
In WI, down ballot was a Republican landslide, on issues and on candidates but they voted for a hardcore socialist justice?
All these weird data anomalies since 2020. Unnatural even.
There weren't any statewide downballot races in the recent (officially non-partisan) election in Wisconsin, so I'm not sure what you mean. The issues voted on statewide don't look particularly controversial or Republican; Protasiewicz and Kelly both endorsed the bail changes. The advisory referendum requiring able bodied childless adults to look for work in order to receive benefits already applies to many recipients of such aid; it was mostly there to try to drum up conservative turnout.
If you meant the last presidential election, it does appear there were plenty of voters who thought Trump was terrible but liked the Republicans (senators especially) who might keep Biden in check.
Due process rights belong to people. If the state Supreme Court rules that abortion is a sacrament in violation of rules governing recusal, what person's federal constitutional rights have been violated? The federal constitution does not currently grant rights to fetuses.
How weak such a potential Caperton claim would be. From the syllabus in that case: “The Due Process Clause incorporated the common-law rule requiring recusal when a judge has ‘a direct, personal, substantial, pecuniary interest’ in a case…."
Nope. No serious argument under Caperton to challenge Janet Protasiewicz’s election to the Wisconsin Supreme Court or her refusal to recuse in cases where she has no personal, financial interest.
Concur, Prof. Blackmun's speculative flailing is even worse than usual with this one.
Also, I'm not convinced WI S.Ct. Justice Hagedorn (conservative, but often less ideological and more, well, judicial than his con compatriots on the court) would be in favor of applying Caperton to Justice Protaseiwicz. It's exceedingly poor form to assume that every decision of the upcoming WI S.Ct. will be 4-3.
Professor Blackman noted, "Protasiewicz, in particular, received about $9 million from the state democratic party." Funny, I didn't see where he mentioned that R megadonor Richard Uihlein reached in his own very deep pockets and donated $6M to Kelly and lent him his private plane to fly around in.
None of that is true.
Which point(s) do you contend to be untrue?
1) Prof. Blackman made the described statement.
2) The state Democratic Party provided $9 million to one candidate?
3) Richard Uihlein (of the John Birch lineage) provided $6 million to the other candidate?
4) One candidate used Richard Uihlein's airplane?
Does Clarence Thomas' choice of cigar, yacht, resort accommodation, and private aircraft suppliers raise questions about his impartiality?
Do Handmaiden Barbie's* statements raise serious questions about her impartiality, particularly in the context of religious claims?
Do the income (disclosed, undisclosed), activities, and statements of Ginni Thomas raise questions about anyone's impartiality?
There are many more examples. Prof. Blackman's flailing is comical.
* Some people might object to the term Handmaiden Barbie. Those readers should substitute Dogma Barbie for Handmaiden Barbie.
The epicene nancy-boy Kirkland once again reveals his hatred for normal women. However, he neglects to mention the mentally challenged cretin who can't tell the difference between a man and a woman, and the half-witted unwise latina who should be cleaning toilets instead of speaking broken English.
Of course, the various statements of both of these half-wits don't mean that they should recuse themselves from specific cases. Instead, they reveal that both are more qualified to be middle-managers at the DMV than SC justices.
And, it's good to see that baby-killing is still an election winner. Congrats to the proponents of infanticide.
Bigots -- especially superstitious bigots, gullible enough to figure fairy tales are true -- are no longer normal in America, clinger.
They have become the outliers, the misfits, the roadkill.
You stick with Clarence Thomas (who will be remembered, if at all, primarily for his lack of ethics) and Amy Coney Barrett, loser. They suit you -- and all of the other culture war casualties. I hope you enjoy the taste of the soles of your betters' shoes.
I certainly don't want to taste anyone's soles, but they would taste better than your favorite dish of cock and asshole.
My goodness. Grow the hell up, Mr. Blackman.
I think he actually believes it. Which is sad on a number of levels.
The MAGAts aren't conservative, though they do love to call themselves that.
Yes, it's odd.
I remember being a confused law student, trying to make sense of procedural postures, questions presented, how to parse a divided opinion. But here, Josh cites the dissents favorably - which would have held that the Due Process Clause does not require disqualification of a judge due to "bias" or the "appearance of bias" - but also as support for an hypothetical Caperton claim. Essentially: "Here is an absurd result that means we shouldn't grant relief in this case; but having granted it, we now must embrace the absurd result."
Query the poor law student: "So what is the law here?" If presented with an issue-spotter, what do you say about Protasiewicz, if you're Josh's student?
The meta-point here, which is in my view more interesting and vexing, is that a challenge to a Protasiewicz non-recusal relying on Caperton potentially reaches a Court now dominated by a conservative majority consisting of three of the four Caperton dissenters. A majority that recently held, in Dobbs, that the Due Process Clause needs to be read along the same lines as laid out by the Caperton dissents.
So, if the Court were principled, it would either overrule Caperton or narrow it to its facts, and turn away the challenge. But we know that it isn't principled, and so could easily grab the horns presented by Roberts in his Caperton dissent and gore Protasiewicz.
You actually believe 2020 was a model of election integrity, which is ridiculous not sad.
A reason to quote the dissent is precisely that the dissent may now have a majority, as you point out.
And, no, repeating previous error just because it once got a majority is not the definition of “principled”.
You imagine yourself winning arguments with cartoon characters.
So did Trump's attorney general.
And none of Trump's lawyers could come up with any evidence of any sort of any fraud.
David Nieporent doesn't put any stock in the cases made on election denial by TFG, Rudy Guiliani, Sidney Powell, Jenna Ellis, Kerry Lake, et al.? He accepts unquestioningly the rulings of 60 different courts about the 2020 results? He is now a believer in what Bill Barr has to say on the subject?
Or: "There is no evidence that any voting system was in any way compromised.’ Top U.S. government officials declared on Thursday that the 2020 presidential election was “the most secure” in history, saying there was no evidence that votes were compromised. The statement from high-ranking experts at the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency — part of the Department of Homeland Security — strongly rebukes Trump’s unsubstantiated claims that Biden won the election through widespread voter fraud. “There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised,” the statement said.
Yeah, Gandydancer, you are clearly the most persuasive voice here.
That a claque of jackasses all get together to assert that 2020 was a model of election integrity merely proves that they liked the result.
The “fortification” of that election was obvious, given the flood of unchecked absentee ballots. And while I don’t know if it changed the result of the presidential election I know what I saw happen in Detroit and the fact that there was a refusal to examine what went on is a scandal of the first magnitude.
As to Barr and “Kraken” and other such nonsense we can all agree that Trump is a moron who was completely incapable of selecting competent and loyal subordinates. But just just as nothing Cohen says will prove anything about Bragg’s charges his selection of Barr and Amy Comey Barrett and his Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency says absolutely nothing about the point I raised.
You don't know what you "saw" happen in Detroit. You just gullibly believed what people like Sidney Powell told you.
Did you know that in 2020, Trump did slightly better in Detroit than he had done in 2016?
And there was no "refusal to examine" anything. Suits were filed, courts rejected them because the Kraken people had no evidence. (And before you recite the next talking point: yes, the purported evidence was examined on the merits; the cases were not all dismissed on procedural grounds.)
You are full of shit. I got absolutely no information about what happened in Detroit from Sidney Powell. What I observed was that Trump was several hundred thousand votes ahead in Michigan when the results outside Detroit were finalized and then, after midnight and when all the poll observers had been sent home, a van-load or two of supposed absentee ballots were trucked into the basement of Cobo Hall and were counted as many times as necessary to reverse the result. The ballots were all allegedly "pre-verified" in the offices of the (Democratic) election official in charge of Detroit voting. This smells to high heaven and, no, you can't produce any case in which what went on was "examined on the merits" because it didn't happen.
I'm surprised you admit it. but now that Roe has been tossed out I guess there's less at stake for you then there was before.
Your comment is a very good example of how the way Josh has presented Caperton would be likely to confuse inexperienced law students. You're likely about as smart as his typical students, too.
Whereas you're likely about as smart as the typical legacy admit to a junior college.
Name one.
Actually, I went to a better law school than Josh did, and I earned my way in fair and square (no legacy or diversity boost).
On the internet any dog can be a Nobel Prize winner. And you can make any claim you want. But your obtunded and puerile intended snark speaks for itself about the quality of the mind behind it..