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May Universities Revoke Degrees Based on Findings of Ex-Student's "Academic Misconduct in Pursuit of That Degree"?
Yes, says the Texas Supreme Court, applying Texas law.
The case is today's Hartzell v. S.O. (majority opinion by Justice Lehrmann); the court concludes the power is implicit in the statutory scheme authorizing the Texas public university systems, though it also holds that the university must provide due process before revoking a degree. There's also a short concurrence by Justice Boyd, and a long dissent by Judge Blaylock. An excerpt from the dissent:
The only resource in Texas legal history bearing on the question presented is a 1969 Attorney General Opinion, with which I largely agree. The Attorney General Opinion concludes that a state university wishing to rescind a graduate's degree must do what any other regretful grantor of property must do to rescind the grant. It must ask a court to require the property's return. That is correct. A party seeking rescission of someone else's property is quite obviously not managing its own internal affairs. It is seeking to manage the affairs of the party resisting its claims, and for this it typically needs the judicial power of a court. Nor is it exercising a power that flows naturally from the power to confer the property in the first place. The power to bestow something of value on another normally does not entail the power to unilaterally take it back. This kind of "self-help" remedy is rarely found in the law. It is so rare that I would expect it to be stated clearly in the governing statutes if the Legislature indeed gave it to universities.
An excerpt from the majority's response:
Further, the Attorney General's conclusion that a "[c]ourt of competent jurisdiction" is the only appropriate forum for revocation of a degree is inconsistent with our recognition that "[j]udicial interposition in the disciplinary decisions of state supported schools raises problems requiring care and restraint." The need for such restraint is particularly acute when those disciplinary decisions involve the exercise of academic judgment…. "[C]ourts are ill equipped to evaluate the academic judgment of professors and universities" … The Attorney General opinion also ignores the fact that conferring a degree amounts to a continuing certification regarding the recipient's fulfillment of the university's requirements. That characteristic distinguishes revocation of a degree from rescission of other transactions requiring court intervention, like a sale of property.
And an important note about the limited question the court was resolving:
[T]he University officials rely solely on events that transpired while K.E. and S.O. were students in pursuit of their respective degrees as the basis for revoking those degrees. The University officials do not claim, and for good reason, that they may take such action against K.E., S.O., or any other former student based on conduct occurring after a degree is conferred. Instead, they argue that they may rescind a degree upon determining that it was not earned—and thus should not have been awarded—in the first place. We thus consider only whether the University officials may revoke the degrees of former students who are found to have engaged in academic misconduct while enrolled at the Universities.
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Generally speaking, I'm sure what significance it has if a university purports to revoke a degree. I suppose most employers would accept the university's position in a knee-jerk fashion, but there's no reason that they have to.
I think most employers won't check. Some will. I knew somebody whose employer required her to prove that she graduated from an accredited school. She had the diploma from a top ten school. She had to also provide the name of the organization that said it was a real school. This was before the for-profit college bubble.
Those employers who check do so when hiring new employees. My father did check when he was hiring sales staff for a particular job. He said he was surprised how many people lied.
I'm sure it would never have occurred to him to check annually to see if someone's diploma was revoked.
Well, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts never checked to see if Annie Dookham had the required MS in Chemistry -- although she did check the correct racial box.
She was half of the Mass Drug Lab Scandal -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Dookhan
You'd be amazed at the number of "lawyers" working in higher education who aren't members of the bar. Some post their law school diploma and people *believe* they are lawyers....
Was your father selecting for or against liars? If he was hiring sales reps it could go either way.
" required her to prove that she graduated from an accredited school."
Accredited program I can see, but accredited institution? That's bizarre as anyone who knows what accreditation even is would also know that all colleges are because (a) without accreditation, their students can't get Federal Financial Aid and (b) that's the end of the college.
Wikipedia has an extensive list of colleges that are not accredited:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unaccredited_institutions_of_higher_education
Many are not in the U.S. but a surprising number are.
I don't know the exact words of the employer's request. She took it to mean the school. The employer may have meant the underwater basket weaving program in particular without making the meaning clear.
If degrees are property then why can't I find them on eBay?
Maybe not ebay, but they are available online from other sources - - - - - - - -
The piece of card stock on the dissenting Justice’s wall is his property. But I shouldn’t think that the notations in a university’s records about who got its degrees are the property of the people identified there.
This is a quagmire because it is a contrast between academic freedom and intellectual property rights. What is the tuition paid for?
No, you are purchasing an education and the notations in the university’s records are documentation of the sale. I think the court would have ruled the other way if this had been a non-academic reason for revoking the diploma. And that's coming -- look at what happened to Kavanaugh -- and I can see "20 years ago, he raped me at a frat party" being pursued post graduation.
This seems a very handy case . . . for use as diversionary chaff on the day Paul Clement gets stomped in the Fox News defamation case.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Wake me up when you have an original thought. Should be a long nap.
How's this: At some point, mainstream America seems likely to deny accreditation to nonsense-teaching, bigoted right-wing schools (because they teach nonsense). Will that bother you?
You already say that three times in every comment section.
Something new, please.
Actually, Betsy DeVos had an answer to that -- more accrediting agencies. And the real issue is the religious schools refusing to teach nonsense.
Reverend Jerry Sandusky Ladies & Gentlemen, always looking for a "Handsy" case,
and Seriously Folks, Paul Clement has more Legal Acumen in his former Foreskin (while doing Circumcisions in Med School we used to joke about saving them to make a Wallet, and of course with the 99.99% Afro-Amurican Babies we "Circumscribed" (Ebonics for "Circumcised") would have only taken a few (Large, ("Redundant" is the medical term) foreskins, the "Myth" is true (Dammit)
than Jerry Sandusky has in his Visceral Adipose Tissue (In Jerry's D-Fence (Get it? Defensive Coordinator Jerry Sandusky's "Defence))
they don't really eat the best diet at
https://www.cor.pa.gov/Facilities/StatePrisons/Pages/Greene.aspx
Frank
This came up with Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. in the late 90s. Seems a (Black) biographer was reviewing the King papers and found that he had plagiarized a good chunk of his dissertation.
BU's solution was that since both King and every member of his committee were dead, there was no one left to defend the dissertation and hence they were going to ignore the matter. Which really is kinda what you have to do.
In a moment of left wing lunacy, UMass Amherst gave Robert Magabe (Rhodesia) an honorary doctorate and it got to the point where he was killing people and elephants with such vigor that they wound up recinding it.
Courts are courts but in terms of Academic Affairs, I don't see how an undergrad degree can be recinded once the student "clears" everything -- it is a case of "speak now or forever hold your peace."
Plagiarism?? Dr. Martin Lucifer?? Good thing he didn't survive to run for President, Plagiarism would be "Disqualifying"!!!!!!
Good for U-Mass (rhymes with "You Ass") of course it was only the Elephants they were upset about.
and you said it about the Undergrad Degree, I wasn't sure until I had it in my hot little hands (Not at graduation of course, you got it a few years later when they verified you didn't owe any money)
Frank
Yes, "few years", I had some big li-berry fines
BU’s solution was that since both King and every member of his committee were dead, there was no one left to defend the dissertation and hence they were going to ignore the matter.
Ed always bringing the bullshit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King_Jr._authorship_issues
Boston University decided not to revoke his doctorate, saying that although King acted improperly, his dissertation still "makes an intelligent contribution to scholarship." The committee also dismissed allegations that King plagiarized writings which he used to develop his organization and chapter headings.
However, a letter is now attached to King's dissertation in the university library, noting that numerous passages were included without the appropriate quotations and citations of sources.
Nothing is going to cancel MLK Day unless of course he's caught on tape misgendering a trans person, in which case his holiday would be promptly abolished and replaced by Ibram Kendi Day.
King was incredibly homophobic and much of this is documented. He also didn’t treat women that well, and I mean more than just cheating on his wife (which ministers aren’t supposed to do).
Much has been said about J Edgar Hoover harassing him with secretly recorded tapes — what’s not said is that they were of trysts with women not his wife.
I’m really surprised (seriously surprised) that none of this has become an issue. Although none of Bill Cosby's antics became an issue until he started speaking like a Conservative.
"King was incredibly homophobic and much of this is documented. "
Documentation would be useful to provide, since his closest advisors have long pointed out that his attitudes were merely close to those prevailing at the time. At least one of those advisors, Bayard Rustin, was himself gay, and pointed out that King was not at all judgmental about this, and in the Black community homosexuality was considerably more stigmatized -- King was liberal on homosexuality by comparison. Try
https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/01/16/martin-luther-king-jr-lgbtq-rights/ for a view from the LGBTQ world.
his attitudes were merely close to those prevailing at the time
Wow - is this now an accepted defense ? There are hundreds of statues ready to demand reinstatement on their original plinth if this is gonna fly.
Words versus deeds, Lee. Plus a lot of treason.
But what's the answer to my question ? Is it now an accepted defense to say on behalf of some historical figure who may have been pro slavery, or racist, or sexist, or homophobic, that his opinions were within the Overton window of the day ?
Or is this a special rule for MLK ?
PS it seems a little precious for a citizen of this particular Republic to whine about treason.
Thanks for your reply/question. My simple summary of MLK's views, based on comments of his friends and advisors, was a response to the claim by "Dr. Ed 2" that King was "incredibly homophobic," and the focus should be on the qualifier "incredibly." If his views were merely similar to prevailing views at the time -- and remember that King was assassinated before Stonewall -- they were "credible" views, not incredible, that is, understandable in the historical context in which he lived.
Whether this is a "defense" or not, your question does remind me of the fallacy often pointed to by historians of judging ideas of the past by reference to today's standards, AKA 'presentism.' Liberals wring their hands over Thomas Jefferson owning slaves while conservatives point to the historical context: we don't understand Jefferson by imposing 20th century standards on him, and by the same token we don't understand MLK by imposing 2023 views of homosexuality on him.
The statue issue is a good one, and is perhaps more complex than you allow here. I would never argue that a statue of a historic figure should be torn down because that person owned slaves, particularly if the statue does not celebrate the value of slavery.
I agree. I don’t think much of presentism either, but abhorrence of presentism is rare in the cancelling community.
"There's also a short concurrence by Justice Boyd, and a long dissent by Judge Blaylock."
SCOTX has Justices, not Judges.
And it has a Justice named Blacklock, not Blaylock
🙂
The conclusion of the court seems reasonable: a degree that was not legitimately earned in the first place can be revoked. (But a university can't punish students for things they did subsequently by revoking a degree.) And it can be revoked by the school, which does not constitute seeking a return of property.
They all agreed it could be revoked - the majority said by an administrative process in the university itself, the dissent said in a judicial proceeding.
It looks like the dissent's reasoning was that the degree was property that required outside action to essentially repossess it. That seems fairly ridiculous, to me. The value of a degree is in the fact that the institution will back that person's claims to have earned recognition for their academic achievements. There is no property aspect to its value. And the institution must be able to change its mind on whether to back such claims in the future (such as by providing official transcripts). As for due process before revoking it, that sounds like a necessity for public schools. For private colleges or universities, it sounds more like a matter of contract or other agreement.
Why should that apply to official transcripts? The official transcript is documentation that a specific event happened at a specific time. It makes no sense that the university can change the claim that a particular event happened in the past. If the university no longer stands by the decision to grant the degree they can release the official transcript with an addendum saying "the degree was revoked as of XXXX".
That begs the question. Absolutely, the institution has no right to withhold transcripts. And it can IMHO add non-libelous reservations about grades etc. But whether it can “revoke” anything is a different issue, unresolved except in TX.
I don't believe the latter has been litigated -- yet.
And it can be revoked by the school, which does not constitute seeking a return of property.
I'd be surprised if there's no precedent on this.
Guilds operated in Europe for hundreds of years - and were the foundation of the non rural parts of the economy. Membership of a guild is pretty much the same as a degree - you serve your time as an apprentice and then you get accreditation by the guild - which is usually licensed by the government.
It seems unlikely that in several hundred years, no court ever had to consider whether guild membership was property, or whether and on what terms a guild could remove accreditation.
I don't see how it's a property right. It's not transferable. You can't grant somebody else permission to use it.
I also don't see how the college could, say, stop the person from saying "I earned a degree at X school" or try to force the person to add "but they revoked it". The school can tell people "we revoked person's degree" and the person can say "I earned a degree from the school". Employers can make of it what they will.
Declare FERPA confidentiality and there is NOTHING the school can say about you.
I think it is a crime to lie about having a college degree to get a job in Massachusetts. That may have been a bill that didn't pass.
I think the decision is fine, but don't confuse property rights with property. A person can hold property rights in all sorts of intangible or non-transferable things. For example, many public employees hold property rights to continued employment.
Whether a degree is property most frequently comes up during the division of marital assets (a separate question from whether a contributing spouse is entitled to reimbursement, or whether the future earnings due the degree are marital property). For a while the leading case was In re Marriage of Graham, 194 Colo. 429, 574 P.2d 75 (1978) where the Colorado Supreme Court said "no", and this language was widely quoted
This view was adopted by Texas in Frausto v. Frausto, 611 S.W.2d 656 (Tex. App. 1980) but rejected by other states e.g. Michigan (Woodworth v. Woodworth, 337 N.W.2d 332 (Mich. Ct. App. 1983)).
"It may not be acquired by the mere expenditure of money."
Well, sure, you also have to know the right people.
This strikes me as rather poor reasoning.
Suppose copyright law was such that the original creator had the legal right to prevent the copying of his work, except by permission, which might be granted for a fee, and might sue for damages in the case of infringement. And suppose copyright was not legally transferrable, remaining with the original creator until death, at which point it expired.
You could then write thus :
A copyright is simply not encompassed even by the broad views of the concept of ‘property.’ It does not have an exchange value or any objective transferable value on an open market. It is personal to the holder. It terminates on death of the holder and is not inheritable. It cannot be assigned, sold, transferred, conveyed, or pledged. A copyright is usually the cumulative product of many years of previous education, combined with diligence and hard work. It may not be acquired by the mere expenditure of money. It is simply an intellectual achievement that may potentially assist in the future acquisition of property. In our view, it has none of the attributes of property in the usual sense of that term.
But if you did, people would think you were half-witted.
The concept of "property" includes several attributes of ownership and reasonable people can differ on where the threshold lies before some asset has enough of them to be deemed property. If copyright were redefined so that it lost as many of those attributes as you suggest, I certainly wouldn't call anyone half-witted who thought it didn't deserve to be called "intellectual property" any longer.
Now do easements in gross.
Lee, I would be very interested in the reasoning that leads you to believe a gross easement holder is an "owner" rather than a "beneficiary". Maybe you can convince me.
He has a legal right - personal to him and not shared by any member of the public - to use a piece of land that he can insist upon in court. How about a license granted by a patent holder to use the patent for a particular period, personal to the licensee ? You don’t think that’s property ?
You could be describing a lease. Would you describe a lessee as an owner of property?
Here are some attributes I think are associated with ownership of property:
The right to exclude
The ability to devolve by sale, inheritance, or other conveyance
The right of use
The rights of improvement and disposition
Invalidation only through due process of law
Not all these property rights are necessarily commonly held in every situation but, as I say, above some threshold (a line we can argue about) a collection of property rights becomes something we are comfortable referring to as "property" (cf. Drewski's earlier comment).
Would you describe a lessee as an owner of property?
Certainly. There's entire bookshelves of Olde Englishe Law on different estates in land. A lessee will typically have -
The right to exclude - yes, though usually subject to the landlord's right of access for various specified purposes such as maintenance or periodic inspection
The ability to devolve by sale, inheritance, or other conveyance - depends on the type of lease. But there are certainly leases that can be sold, inherited etc without the landlord's permission
The right of use - yup, obviously that's the main point with a lease
The rights of improvement and disposition - depends on the type of lease
Invalidation only through due process of law - yup, though a lease will also have a term.
Even a lessee who simply has the right to occupy for a year at a set monthly rent has an item of property. If you have a ten year lease at a set monthly rent, it may become quite valuable if market rents rise. Even if you can't sell it, you may be able to negotiate a tidy sum from the landlord to quit early so he can rent it out at a higher rate.
And there's a few US states that still have leasehold interests in the English sense - ie where you lease for a century, and you can improve, or sell as you please.
By your definition, the owner of real estate that is entailed has no property right in it. That is probably not a desirable consequence.
Justice Blaylock sounds like a dumbass who disdains mainstream educational institutions.
Any chance partisanship -- rather than character, achievement, experience, temperament, judgment, and the like -- powered his path toward a spot on the Texas bench?
The majority opinion distinguishes the degree from other grants of property on the grounds that the degree "amounts to a continuing certification regarding the recipient's fulfillment of the university's requirements." But it is arguable instead that all the degree shows is that the university granted it, which it did. The record of universities in providing due process is not so impressive that I am convinced they ought to exercise this power without recourse to actual courts (which are bad enough).
Yes that “continuing certification” idea struck me as peculiar.
One thinks of continuing certification in contexts where there is an explicit requirement for continuing education, and the certification is given for a particular period. Or of periodic certifications for maintenance of buildings or equipment.
That’s quite different from a one off certification with no requirement for any further input or good standing from the person certified.
It looks to me like a traditional judicial dodge. The dissent says the degree has been awarded and that is a completed act. If the college wishes to revoke the degree that’s a new act and the question is whether the college gets to do that unilaterally or whether its decision can be challenged in the courts. The majority dodges by saying it’s really just a single permanently reviewable act. It isn’t.
Indeed even those annual maintenance certifications are not a single permanently reviewable act. They are a number of discrete acts which have a stated time expiry.
How would we feel if there were no alleged wickedness by the student, but the university decided 25 years after that on balance the student’s work for her PhD was not quite of the requisite quality ?
I would just point out this one of the increasingly rare situations in our society where courts recognize the existence of relationships and connections that are neither purely property in nature nor completely breakable at will.
How quaint.
Let me see if I have this straight. If the University I attended found out that I cheated my way through that BS Art Appreciation class that I had to take, they can take back my Degree. So that means that I no longer know anything that I learned there.
I'm surprised that this wasn't tried on Kavanaugh and Barrett.
I can see it now.
"Mr. Kavanaugh it has come to our attention that when you attended our institution, you participated in some acts that go against our standards, so we are notifying you that your degree has been revoked immediately. Since you are no longer a lawyer, you cannot be a Judge or Justice."
How long until something like this is actually attempted by the "any means necessary" crowd?