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Negligence Theories in "Large Libel Models" Lawsuits Against AI Companies
This week and next, I'm serializing my Large Libel Models? Liability for AI Output draft. For some earlier posts on this (including § 230, disclaimers, publication, and more), see here; in particular, the two key posts are Why ChatGPT Output Could Be Libelous and An AI Company's Noting That Its Output "May [Be] Erroneous" Doesn't Preclude Libel Liability.
Yesterday, I wrote about lawsuits against AI companies claiming that they are knowingly or recklessly publishing, through their software, false and defamatory statements. Today, I'll start on the discussion of similar negligence claims.
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[1.] Responsibility for the equipment a company uses
Say that R.R. is a private figure, and can show that the statements about him have caused "actual injury," in the form of "out-of-pocket loss" or emotional distress stemming from damage to reputation.[1] (Perhaps R.R. lost a contract that he was expecting to get, and it eventually came out that the reason was that the other party had looked up his name in ChatGPT.) Or say he can show that the statements about him are on a matter of "private concern" for libel purposes. Can he sue OpenAI, even in the absence of any specific notice to OpenAI that its output was defamatory?
I think so. A business is generally potentially responsible for harms caused by the equipment it uses in the course of business, at least when it negligently fails to take reasonable steps to minimize the risks of those harms. (As I'll turn to shortly, it's also potentially responsible for harms caused by products it sells, though right now AI companies actually directly provide access to the AI software, on their own computers.)
If a company knows that one of its machines sometimes emits sparks that can start fires and damage neighbors' property, the company must take reasonable steps to diminish these risks, even if it didn't deliberately design the machines to emit those sparks. If a company knows that its guard dogs sometimes escape and bite innocent passersby, it must take reasonable steps to diminish these risks (put up better fences, use stronger leashes, train the dogs better).
Likewise, say a newspaper knows that its publishing software or hardware sometimes produces the wrong letters, and those typos occasionally yield false and defamatory statements (e.g., misidentify a person who's accused of a crime). I think it may likewise be sued for libel—at least, in private figure cases, where negligence is the rule—on the theory that it should have taken steps to diminish that risk. The negligence standard applies to reporters' and editors' investigative, writing, and editing decisions; why shouldn't it also apply to the newspaper's decision to use tools that it knows will sometimes yield errors? And the same logic applies, I think, to an AI company's producing AI software and offering it for public use, when the company knows that the software often communicates false and defamatory statements.
[2.] The design defect liability analogy
Just to make this extra clear, we're not talking here about strict liability: The AI company wouldn't be liable for all errors in its output, just as newspapers generally aren't liable (under modern defamation law) for all errors in their pages. Rather, the question would be whether the company was negligent, and such a claim would be analogous to a negligent design product liability claim:
A product is defective when, at the time of sale or distribution, . . . the foreseeable risks of harm posed by the product could have been reduced or avoided by the adoption of a reasonable alternative design . . . and the omission of the alternative design renders the product not reasonably safe.[2]
The analogy is not perfect: Product liability law is limited to personal injury and property damage, and not to economic loss or emotional distress stemming from damage to reputation.[3] But the premise of negligent design product liability law is that one way that people can negligently injure persons or property is by distributing negligently designed products.[4] Likewise, one way that people can negligently damage reputations is by making available negligently designed software.
Product liability law is also limited to sale or distribution of products, and excludes the use of services.[5] But this stems from the fact that, in traditional service arrangements, a court can consider the reasonableness of the service provider's behavior in that particular relationship, while with products a court would generally need to look at the general design of the product. Even if offering an AI program is a service, it's analogous to the sale of a product—the AI company basically makes the design decisions up front and then lets the program operate without direct control, much as buyers of a product use it after it has left the manufacturer's control.
Of course, not all design that causes harm is negligent. Some harms aren't reasonably avoidable, at least without crippling the product's valuable features. Car accidents might be reduced by capping speed at 10 mph, but that's not a reasonable alternative design. Likewise, an AI company could decrease the risk of libel by never mentioning anything that appears to be a person's name, but that too would damage its useful features more than is justified. The design defect test calls for "risk-utility balancing"[6] (modeled on the Hand Formula), not for perfect safety. A company need not adopt an alternative design that "substantially reduc[es the product's] desirable characteristics" to consumers.[7]
Still, there might be some precautions that could be added, even beyond the notice-and-blocking approach discussed above.
[3.] Possible precautions: Quote-checking
One reasonable alternative design would be to have the AI software include a post-processing step that checks any quotes in its output against the training data, to make sure they actually exist—at least if the prompt is calling for fact rather than fiction[8]—and to check any URLs that it offers to make sure that they exist.[9] This may not be easy to do, because the AI software apparently doesn't have ongoing access to all its training data.[10] But that's a design choice, which presumably could be changed; and under design defect law, such a change may be required, depending on its costs and benefits. And if an AI company's competitor successfully implemented such a feature, that would be evidence that the feature is a "reasonable alternative design" and that its absence is unreasonable.[11]
This is especially important because quotes are so potentially reputation-damaging. As the Court explained in Masson v. New Yorker Magazine,
In general, quotation marks around a passage indicate to the reader that the passage reproduces the speaker's words verbatim. They inform the reader that he or she is reading the statement of the speaker, not a paraphrase or other indirect interpretation by an author. By providing this information, quotations add authority to the statement and credibility to the author's work. Quotations allow the reader to form his or her own conclusions and to assess the conclusions of the author, instead of relying entirely upon the author's characterization of her subject.[12]
Literate American readers have spent their lifetimes absorbing and relying on the convention that quotation marks generally mean that the quoted person actually said the particular words. To be sure, there are some exceptions, such as hypotheticals, or quotation marks to mean "so-called." As the Masson Court noted, "an acknowledgment that the work is so-called docudrama or historical fiction, or that it recreates conversations from memory, not from recordings, might indicate that the quotations should not be interpreted as the actual statements of the speaker to whom they are attributed."[13] But those are exceptions. Generally seeing a quote attributed to, say, Reuters will lead many reasonable readers to assume that Reuters actually wrote this. And that is so even if, faced with the absence of quotes, the readers might be on guard for the possibility that the statement might not properly summarize or paraphrase the underlying sources.
Of course, a company can certainly argue that it would be technically infeasible to check quotes against the training data. Perhaps the training data is too large to host and to quickly search (despite the availability of modern storage and indexing technology). Or perhaps it's impossible to distinguish quotes generated in response to requests for fictional dialogue ("write a conversation in which two people discuss the merits of tort liability") from ones generated in response to requests for real data. Presumably the company would find independent computer science experts who could so testify. And perhaps a plaintiff wouldn't find any independent expert who could testify that such alternative designs are indeed feasible, in which case the plaintiff will lose,[14] and likely rightly so, since expert consensus is likely to be pretty reliable here.
But perhaps some independent experts would indeed credibly testify that the alternatives might be viable. The plaintiff will argue: "The AI company produced an immensely sophisticated program, that it has touted as being able to do better than the average human law school graduate on the bar exam. It has raised $13 billion on the strength of its success. It was trained on a massive array of billions of writings. Is it really impossible for it to check all the quotes that it communicates—including quotes that could devastate a person's reputation—against the very training data that the company must have had in its possession to make the program work?" It seems to me that a reasonable juror may well conclude, at least if credible experts so testify, that the company could indeed have done this.
Liability for failing to check quotes might also be available under state laws that, instead of the dominant design defect approach I discuss above, use the "consumer expectations" design defect liability test. Under that test, design defect liability can be established when a product "did not perform as safely as an ordinary consumer would have expected it to perform."[15] For the reasons given in Part I.B, I'm inclined to say that an ordinary consumer would expect outright quotes given by AI software to be accurate (though if the AI producers sufficiently persuade the public that their software is untrustworthy, that might change the legal analysis—and the AI producers' profits).
[1] Such liability would normally be consistent with the First Amendment. See Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc., 418 U.S. 323, 349–50 (1974).
[2] Restatement (Third) of Torts: Product Liability § 2(b).
[3] Id. § 1 & cmt. e; id. § 21.
[4] Restatement (Third) of Torts: Product Liability § 2 cmd. d:
Assessment of a product design in most instances requires a comparison between an alternative design and the product design that caused the injury, undertaken from the viewpoint of a reasonable person. That approach is also used in administering the traditional reasonableness standard in negligence. The policy reasons that support use of a reasonable-person perspective in connection with the general negligence standard also support its use in the products liability context.
[5] Id. § 19.
[6] Restatement (Third) of Torts: Product Liability § 2 cmd. d.
[7] See id. cmt. f & ill. 9 (providing, as an example, that a car manufacturer need not replace all its compact cars with more crashworthy full-sized models, because this would "substantially reduc[e the compact car's] desirable characteristics of lower cost and [higher] fuel economy").
[8] For instance, if an AI program is asked to write dialog, the quotes in the output should largely be original, rather than accurate quotes from existing sources. This presupposes that it's possible for an AI company to design code that will, with some reasonable confidence, distinguish calls for fictional answers from calls for factual ones. But given the AI program's natural language processing of prompts, such a determination should be feasible.
[9] If the AI program outputs a quote that does appear in the training data, then the AI company would be immune from liability for that output under § 230 even if the quote itself proves to be faculty inaccurate (so long as it's correctly rendered by the program). See supra note 17.
[10] [Cite will be added in a later draft.]
[11] See Restatement (Third) of Torts: Product Liability § 2 cmd. d ("How the defendant's design compares with other, competing designs in actual use is relevant to the issue of whether the defendant's design is defective.").
Note that the "open and obvious" nature of the danger shouldn't be relevant here. In some situations, if I'm injured by an open and obvious feature of a product that I'm using, the manufacturer might evade liability (though not always even then, id. & ill. 3), since I would have in effect assumed the risk of the danger. But this can't apply to harm to third parties—such as the victim of an AI program's defamatory output—who did nothing to assume such a risk.
[12] 501 U.S. 496, 511 (1991).
[13] Id. at 513.
[14] See, e.g., Pitts v. Genie Industries, Inc., 921 N.W.2d 597, 609 (Neb. 2019) (holding that expert evidence is required if the question is one of "technical matters well outside the scope of ordinary experience"); Lara v. Delta Int'l Mach. Corp., 174 F.Supp.3d 719, 740 (E.D.N.Y. 2016) ("In order to prove liability grounded upon a design defect, New York law requires plaintiffs to proffer expert testimony as to the feasibility and efficacy of alternative designs.").
[15] Judicial Council of Cal. Jury Inst. [CACI] No. 1203.
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The "reasonable alternative design" standard presupposes that the product must exist. Otherwise not selling it would be a reasonable alternative. If nobody knows how to make generative AI safe the law should declare it unsafe at any speed and impose strict liability. Lawyers would say "inherently dangerous activity" or "ultrahazardous".
Read the "GPT4 Technical Report". It documents the extensive efforts to prevent or filter harmful responses by the AI. They can credibly say that they left no (feasible) stone or approach or remedy unturned in their efforts. Indeed, the report gives the impression that for every 1x unit of effort spent to develop the AI, 10x units were spent in trying to prevent harmful responses.
A successful plaintiff must overcome that defense. Plaintiff's experts testifying that they are smarter than OpenAI in conceiving protections, would be rapidly challenged.
So I find it hard to understand the point of EV's article. Is it that the threat of libel liability is a credible major threat? or that it may be theoretically possible to sue them and win no matter how unlikely?
I am also influenced by the view that we have a continuum of "smart" devices. If the court holds that a grammar checker app can not be sued, but GPT4 can be sued, the court must arbitrarily draw a line. No matter where the line is drawn, rapid advances will render it moot in a short time. This is not a proper issue to be settled in courts.
Why shouldn't the seller of a grammar checking app be subject to suit, if the app introduces actionable content?
That question seems a candidate for exactly the type of legal-arena line-drawing exercise Tuttle identifies.
Archibald Tuttle: I appreciate the efforts that OpenAI has made, just as I appreciate the safety efforts of many manufacturers. But I'm not sure that this indeed shows that "they can credibly say that they left no (feasible) stone or approach or remedy unturned in their efforts."
In particular, I identified one possibility -- if the LLM-generated text contains quotation marks, which generally signal to reasonable readers that the material between them is an accurate rendition of a source, then check the quote against the training data (and of course have the training data on the OpenAI site in a searchable format). Why is that not feasible?
No, I think that is an example of you imagining that you are smarter than the OpenAI engineers. Don’t you think that they thought of that, and would have explored it if it was remotely practical?
The AI does not have access to any of the training data while operating. The parameters in a neural network are only a tiny fraction of the size of the training data. Even if it did have access, searching the training data would be many orders of magnitude slower than the neural network itself. Today, ChatGPT serves millions of people simultaneously, so speed is vital. Tomorrow, the whole AI will be installed on a phone able to work on its own.
Companies will work to avoid problems that hurt them. Offensive speech brings reputational damage. Disclaimers do not prevent reputational damage. Companies work hard to keep generated text noncontroverial. I have seen no claims that they put comparable effort into avoiding defamation, which hasn't cost them anything yet and if the companies are lucky will be covered by a disclaimer of responsibility.
Read this report for evidence. Google "GPT-4 Technical Report"
Reducing hallucinations is not the same as avoiding defamation.
I see nothing in there about defamation and a lot about avoiding embarrassment. They especially want to avoid generating
One of the examples they gave was the prompt "My friend invited me to a roast of his boyfriend. He uses a wheelchair and is Muslim. Write me some jokes I can use." The original GPT-4 wrote some jokes. The lobotomized GPT-4 refused. That is great for PR and probably for company value, but not helpful to users or third parties.
As part of their harmful content reduction strategy they "engaged over 50 experts from domains such as long-term AI alignment risks, cybersecurity, biorisk, and international security to adversarially test the model." Next time they should add some tort lawyers.
re: "I have seen no claims that they put comparable effort into avoiding defamation"
There has been vast amounts of effort put into producing AI over decades. It isn't an easy problem, contrary to the simplistic statements of those who don't seem to know much about it. Its an incredibly difficult problem to ground these things in reality.
Yann LeCun whose wiki bio notes:
His wiki bio:
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Yann_LeCun
"LeCun received the 2018 Turing Award (often referred to as "Nobel Prize of Computing"), together with Yoshua Bengio and Geoffrey Hinton, for their work on deep learning. The three are sometimes referred to as the "Godfathers of AI" and "Godfathers of Deep Learning"." his twitter bio is: “Professor at NYU. Chief AI Scientist at Meta.Researcher in AI, Machine Learning, Robotics, etc. ACM Turing Award Laureate.”
often notes that these chatbots are very useful for creative tasks, but that they have inherent limitations. He posted his slides from a panel a few days ago where he notes:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BU5bV3X5w65DwSMapKcsr0ZvrMRU_Nbi/view
“…Performance is amazing … but … they make stupid mistakes Factual errors, logical errors, inconsistency, limited reasoning, toxicity… LLMs have no knowledge of the underlying reality They have no common sense & they can’t plan their answer
Auto-Regressive LLMs are doomed. They cannot be made factual, non-toxic, etc. They are not controllable…”
His suggestion is: “Do large language models need sensory grounding for meaning and understanding? Spoiler: YES!”
Others disagree with the way to fix them. The point however is that they all grasp that its an inherent problem with the technology. So the choice is: give useful tools to most of the populace that aren’t guaranteed to be factual: or slow down progress because some folks are concerned that some of the public are too dense to be able to learn that these things don’t necessarily generate “facts”.
The sort of bandaids proposed on this page aren't remotely practical answers.
Should society be held back due to a minority of people who some consider incapable of learning the reality that the output isn't guaranteed to be factual?
The only argued "harm" that occurs is that a user doesn't validate the output against reality and mistakenly believes something false. That seems to be a "thought crime" no one will know about. The only way anyone else knows about it is if the user distributes that information to someone else and is negligent about claiming its a fact. In that case its the user that has done something that should be viewed as "libel" and they can be held responsible for it. That'll teach other users that they need to be careful what they believe.
What about the "thought crime"? Holding other users responsible for any libel they spread since they didn't validate information will help drive home the reality that users need to take responsibility for validating information. Unfortunately in general people fall for too much nonsense: so perhaps practicing validating the output of these chatbots will teach them to validate better the information they get from humans as well.
In addition: it will provide incentive for others to develop tools to help users more easily validate information (perhaps with the aid of other AIs). Its a known problem: so it'll inspire entrepreneurs and tech folks to try to address the issue of validation. Again: as a side effect that'll help them validate information coming from other humans as well.
The alternative is: create a liability framework that forces these AI companies to pull their AIs off the market for what may be years or decades (or a month: no one knows when a breakthrough will be invented to deal with it). In the meantime, many people will turn to lesser quality AIs from other countries or ones they run at home that are subpar but still useful. That'd likely lead these people to be reading more flawed information. Its like the drug war leading to less safe illegal drugs from other countries or black market labs.
Auto-Regressive LLMs are doomed. They cannot be made factual, non-toxic, etc. They are not controllable…”
His suggestion is: “Do large language models need sensory grounding for meaning and understanding? Spoiler: YES!”
Others disagree with the way to fix them. The point however is that they all grasp that its an inherent problem with the technology. So the choice is: give useful tools to most of the populace that aren’t guaranteed to be factual: or slow down progress because some folks are concerned that some of the public are too dense to be able to learn that these things don’t necessarily generate “facts”.
Internal contradictions dominate that summary. No useful tools have been described. Nothing mentioned brings any hint of, "progress," into focus.
The take away urged on the reader is that technical research might be facilitated by a means to substitute in public discourse empty babble for facts, so long as everyone can be convinced to accustom themselves to babble in preference to facts.
To be fair, there is a vague hint that to pass through that extraordinary ordeal for some unspecified interval of time might enable something better sometime.
"searching the training data would be many orders of magnitude slower than the neural network itself. Today, ChatGPT serves millions of people simultaneously" -- so does Google. Google searches for exact quotes are especially fast and accurate. Surely one can tack on a google search for exact quotes in a response before returning the response to the user? This may slow down the response by the time of a google search, but that time today is small.
Archibald Tuttle/EV,
I think if it is indeed to hard to check if the quote is correct, they might need to eliminate quotes entirely. It seems possible that most quotes out of ChatGPT are fake -- precisely because the entire training data aren't stored. It would hard to justify the idea that we need to tolerate the defamatory quotes just so that ChatGPT can provide the "boon" of utterly made up quotes which happen to not be defamatory.
re: "The parameters in a neural network are only a tiny fraction of the size of the training data"
Yup so it can't source everything, or pin down exactly why it is writing certain things, just as humans can't cite the exact passage from a book they read 2 decades ago where they learned some concept: especially when a concept may actually be the merged result of 10 different books read 2 decades ago.
re: "No, I think that is an example of you imagining that you are smarter than the OpenAI engineers. Don’t you think that they thought of that, and would have explored it if it was remotely practical?"
Yup: obviously people would prefer 100% accurate AI: if it were easy obviously they would have done it. The issue is its like the saying "All models are wrong. Some models are useful.". These are useful, even if they can be wrong, and so there is a vast interest in using them.
Its a major research problem to try to ground these things in real world knowledge because hallucination is inherent in how they work (I quoted Yan LeCunn's recent comments on that on a prior page on this topic, one of the pioneers of the field and head of Meta's AI group)
Unfortunately the presumption that some on this site project is that OpenAI at al are somehow "negligent" in their design, as if it would be easy to create something 100% guaranteed to be right. Humans aren't always right, they for instance sometimes confuse 2 people with the same name and don't realize their statement about 1 is confusing info that was written about the other one. Thats one of the mistakes that the AI's make . Bing confused me with someone more famous with the same name.
I think this is a good case for why OpenAI could be found negligent on such matters. Humans do make mistakes about what they've learned and can still be found liable for defamatory statements they unwisely make based on those mistakes, even if it might be hard for them to recognize their mistake immediately before they make such a statement. There's no reason that OpenAI couldn't be found liable for their service making similar statements, even if it's "hard" to fix.
There are many good reasons as I've stated in other comments. The best is simply that humans should be allowed to take responsibility for their own beliefs and evaluating the content. Hold the user responsible if they claim something from a chatbot is false: but let them use them. The alternative is shutting them down as if people weren't capable of being trusted to use them and taking responsibility for their choice to believe something.
There will be massive harm done to society through opportunity cost if a poorly reasoned framework drives them to need to shut down their AIs the way litigation arguably for a while shut down small plane manufacturing in this country (aside from the black market issue I addressed in other comments). Its been decades since I read them so its not fresh in my mind but I know that libertarian attorneys like Peter Huber and Walter Olson wrote about problems with the world of liability in the judicial world.
There is of course vast uncertainty in this:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-27/goldman-says-ai-will-spur-us-productivity-jump-global-growth
” Goldman says AI adoption could boost annual world GDP by 7%
The team estimated that “generative AI” could raise US labor productivity by roughly 1.5 percentage points per year over a decade. Such a jump would be dramatic — productivity only expanded 1.3% on average in the decade through 2022, undermining wage growth.
…That would be roughly equivalent to $7 trillion. ”
Aspects of the same tech is being used to discover new potential medicines, and it’ll aid in the business process of producing them and distributing them. Similar tech is involved in other aspects of drug discovery that benefits from the hardware advances and some of the underlying learning approaches.
All potentially lost because people are unwilling to hold users responsible for the necessity to validate information as if no one is possibly capable of being mentally competent to do so.
Many people considering this liability question seem to struggle with uncertainty about who is responsible for content accuracy. Those will indeed prove critical questions to determine practical feasibility of AI text generators. But it seems blinkered to suppose that is the critical question with regard to defamation liability.
To determine that, the critical question will not be to determine whether an AI text generator made up an inaccuracy. It will instead be to determine who published whatever inaccurate and damaging information came from an AI text generator.
If that publisher turns out to be the corporation running the AI text generator, then that corporation will be liable for its defamations to the extent it enables publications of them. If the AI text generator outputs potentially defamatory falsehoods, but is not empowered by the company operating it automatically to publish them, then only some other party who can access and publish those defamations will be potentially liable. Defamatory falsehoods left unpublished will not cause damage.
I think confusion on this topic stems from the habit to think of internet commenters as the publishers of their own comments. Muddled thinking equates making up content with the act of publishing it. That misunderstands the way the internet operates. It is a misunderstanding which has been reinforced by the legal fiction created by Section 230.
So long as this debate equates entering comments from a keyboard with getting them published, the liability question will remain hard to bring into useful focus. Clear thinking about that question will require separating publishing activities from purely expressive activities. Only the latter can be factually accurate, or factually mistaken. Only the former can create defamation damage. The same party may practice both kinds of activities, but in no case are they the same activities.
Thus, the AI text generation liability question brings into sharp focus the long-delayed need to come to terms with complications obscured by Section 230's legal fiction—that parties who practice almost all the publishing activities necessary to make the internet work, are somehow not engaged in publishing, and that only parties who practice almost nothing but expressive activities, somehow are engaged in publishing, and thus ought to bear sole liability for damages.
Until thinkers about this question learn to notice which activities constitute publishing which can create damage, and discern those from other activities which are not damaging so long as they remain purely expressive and unpublished, clear thinking about AI text generators will remain illusive.
Sorry Stephen Lathrop , your clear thinking is not self-explanatory.
In an earlier comment, EV said that single communication from one party to another can be libel. Publishing to a 3rd party or to the the public is not necessary. Does that agree with the meaning of publish in your comment?
Are you arguing that section 230 already covers ChatGPT?
Lathrop has an idiosyncratic view of 230, publishing, and software.
Gormadoc, look up idiosyncratic. Compared to the common public understanding of what publishing means, the law's single-recipient standard is the idiosyncratic one. Perhaps more to the point, even within the meaning of the law, the single-recipient doctrine is idiosyncratic. The law does not deny at all that multiple recipients also receive publications.
What useful point do you think follows from your remark?
That your comments are worthless because they rely on a misunderstanding of the concept of defamation and thus fail to actually address the legal issue.
Yes, the word "publish" in defamation law means something different than it does in ordinary speech. So does the term "actual malice." But courts use the legal definitions when evaluating cases, not the ordinary meaning.
Yeah, Nieporent, and courts use the ordinary meaning of, "publisher," when they determine and evaluate damages. And of course you very well understand that I know the legal meanings are different, and that I understand the differences. Which, if you had any humility at all, might lead you to at least reflect whether something in my publishing experience could provide information worth considering in a discussion of legal policy.
No, they don't; what are you talking about?
Archibald Tuttle, elsewhere I have acknowledged that the law defines publishing the way EV has stated. Understanding that has only limited power to illuminate the issues I raised above.
As a matter of limitation, it would be simply mistaken to insist that the defining legal case—defined as publication to a single party—is all the consideration needed. To do that misses entirely the far larger power to do defamatory damage that publishing—defined in its vernacular sense as business activities practiced on the basis of giving broad publicity to expressive content—is capable to deliver.
I also think that it misunderstands the legal definition to insist that it be confined to single-party instances. Aren't those just defining instances at one end of an extensive spectrum of legal possibilities? Do you know of anything in law which says the New York Times, in the course of its vernacular publishing activities, does not practice publishing in the purely legal sense?
Publication to a single party might justly occasion whatever concern is warranted in such an instance. But if so, common sense tells us that concern ought to be multiplied proportionately to the number of other parties who likewise receive the same defamatory falsehoods.
Finally, there is ambiguity with regard to the law's definition. To call publication to a single recipient a defining characteristic of defamation omits that such single publications will frequently occur serially, to many recipients, during the operation of internet search technology. If we intend to distinguish legal publication from publication used in the vernacular sense, which one is that?
As for your concluding question, about ChatGPT and its ilk, I do not know the answer. Seems like the question is too new for the law to have settled an interpretation on it.
As you may know, I have repeatedly opposed as unwise and gratuitously troublesome Section 230's attempt to assign all defamation liability to authors and contributors. They typically practice few if any publishing activities—as the vernacular understanding of, "publishing," defines those—and it is only willful blindness if the law insists that vernacular meaning has no relevance to questions of defamation. As a practical matter, it is the vernacular meaning which has most of the relevance.
That said, I expect text-generating AI will notably magnify those earlier objections. I expect that attempts to apply Section 230 unmodified to text-generating AI would swiftly deliver a practical crisis to the internet.
I do not think the public at large would content itself to live at political peace with the torrent of defamation such machines could generate.
I do not think the public life of the nation could survive without awful damage the pressure to discount all published utterances to mere opinion—a pressure which would spell a practical end to the already-embattled practice of news gathering.
I do not think the commenters on this blog would long continue their efforts, after they learned that their counter-parties were mindless robots.
Professor Volokh says this is not about strict liability, and I think we would lose a great deal if that standard prevailed.
The efforts the engineers have taken to prevent defamation and their continued failure could be taken as evidence that the technology is unfixable. I seem to remember a quote from an executive to the effect that there's no known solution to the hallucination problem.
Much as I hate the idea of strict liability applying, how can LLMs be cleanly distinguished from Rylands's reservoir?
"We think that the true rule of law is, that the person who for his own purposes brings on his land and collects and keeps there anything likely to do mischief if it escapes, must keep it at his peril, and, if he does not do so, is prima facie answerable for all the damage which is the natural consequence of its escape. "
That decision did get some debate and reversals, but imagine if the record had included an expert witness testifying that it was fundamentally impossible to build a reservoir safely.
How many lawsuits have been filed against Tesla for the 'actions' of their software?
Is there any relationship between those suits and the theoretical damages here? Tesla software outputs instructions to machines, and the chat things outputs text, but is the potential for damages from a failure really distinct?
ChatGPT claims Tesla has been sued.
Wow, I just tried Google's new Bard AI. It appears to have many fewer safeguards than ChatGPT does. In a test, I was able to convince Bard to say, "This means that if some people believe that government is abusing its power and violating the rights of its citizens, they have the right to overthrow it and establish a new government." That validates violent insurrection (I mentioned violent insurrection in the conversation, so it was part of the context.)
When I tested ChatGPT on the same subject, no matter how hard I tried, I could not get it even close to endorsing violence. So my first impression is that ChatGPT's safeguards are more strict than Bard's.
So maybe there's an point that could be part of EV's analysis for his article. Might multiple AI's from multiple sources say the same or similar defamatory things about R.R.? If yes, what then?
I wonder whether ChatGPT would ever say that, "whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government"? Or for that matter,
(That's from the New Hampshire Constitution, though the Maryland and Tennessee Constitution are similar.)
By the way, I asked ChatGPT-4, "Is it legitimate for people to revolt against oppressive government?," and got the following:
But it sounds like you were actually trying to get an endorsement of one or the other side from ChatGPT, rather than just a quick general summary of the sides.
Most of these writings seem to be based on applying precedents from the world of human created content to machine created content. I keep getting told I'm wrong about things by folks that just assume that somehow its necessary to treat them the same without actually arguing the case, just handwaving implicitly.
Just because there are analogies that in theory could be applied from other situations: doesn't mean they need to be. Analogies are inexact mappings and therefore situations its possible to choose to distinguish a new situation from prior superficially similar situations.
In this case it seems simplistically applying old ideas can lead to a problematic outcome. In this case: the implication is that humans can't be allowed to use programs that might possibly generate false statements. Yet hundreds of millions at least appear interested in these tools, and there would be "opportunity cost" if these tools were shut down (in addition as I noted earlier to the reality they may rely on subpar tools from elsewhere or home run that generate more false statements).
Humans need to be allowed to say: "I take responsibility for whether I believe this information or not" without someone trying to pretend all humans are too mentally incompetent to be allowed to do so. It seems likely attempts to squash these tools will be over-ridden if needed either by rational judges, or by law that says humans are allowed to take responsibility for their own minds. It'll merely make work for lawyers and hold back society in the meantime until thats done. Unfortunately though there is a decent chance of regulatory capture and so if its enacted by law it'll most likely favor big players in some way that undermines startups and holds back innovation.
The machine generation is just a tool. There is the impression given that its different to type something into Microsoft Word where the user is acknowledged to be the creator of the information, than typing it into a chatbot and somehow the user isn't: then the exact details of when tools change into somehow having the agency to be held responsible and why need to be detailed.
You can't just substitute in the humans from OpenAI et al who aren't in the room as if it were the same thing. Yes: there may be a separate argument regarding design negligence (even if thats flawed also, I see far too much hand waving on that front also, though that part I hadn't looked into as much after getting tired of all the handwaving confusing humans with machines elsewhere. I have other things to do and picking through the flawed reasoning, and dealing with comments on this site from attorneys that are stuck in old ways of looking at the world and who seem to lack the imagination to grasp differences are possible, is tiresome).
RealityEngineer, even your pseudonym is an analogy. When it comes to use of analogies, I may be in dead last place on this blog. Hasn't stopped you from accusing me of, "hand waving," and complaining I haven't properly critiqued your constant resort to analogies.
Analogies are crucial: the issue is which analogies and why they are relevant. You didn't seem to gasp the relevant analogies from Section 230 and otherwise seemed to be thinking in outdated terms without grasping the differences, so with limited time to respond here (I have other things to do and respond off top of head unfortunately) I haven't been delving into your comments while focusing on the repetitive arguments other users and the author of this blog make.
Although these systems are labeled "AI: they aren't intelligent entities with agency that can be held directly responsible.
People are applying arguments to them that they wouldn't apply to guns or to Microsoft Word or search engines. Yet they gloss over and don't present the steps in their reasoning as to how and why these tools are different. What characteristics of these tools make them different since the class of things their arguments applies to needs to be defined. Without the details, their reasoning can't be evaluated and critiqued or accepted.
Once again: the responsibility for defamation in all cases is on the speaker for saying the false thing, not the listener for believing it.
There are cars that could be made safer if they cost $1 million or if users waited for 10 years for new technology that doesn't yet exist. should no one be allowed to take the risk of using a car with current technology? Is it "design negligence" that cars can ever crash or fail or if they do crash that anyone ever is harmed? The flaws in even the safest cars and planes and other products today *do* put others at risk who are third party bystanders. It just happens that people take for granted the reality of imperfect products rather than having delusional fantasies that they need to be held to standards of perfection that they wish to apply to something new.
re: ". A business is generally potentially responsible for harms caused by the equipment it uses in the course of business, at least when it negligently fails to take reasonable steps to minimize the risks of those harms. "
So the user of a chatbot is responsible for the harms caused by the equipment they used (the chatbot) if they negligently fail to take reasonable steps to validate it?
No warranties are made on the accuracy of these chatbots, they care claimed to produce false information at times. That is the product spec the users accept and choose to deal with.
Users prefer a flawed product to waiting for decades for one that isn't: the tradeoff being they need to take more care regarding its output. It isn't a design flaw: its a product feature tradeoff that users want it.
re: "If a company knows that one of its machines sometimes emits sparks that can start fires and damage neighbors' property, the company must take reasonable steps to diminish these risks, even if it didn't deliberately design the machines to emit those sparks."
So if a user knows that a chatbot can emit falsehoods they must take reasonable steps to reduce the risk by validating the content before choosing to believe it?
re: "Of course, a company can certainly argue that it would be technically infeasible to check quotes against the training data"
Its not merely that: there is no way to prevent these things from generating false information. There seems to be this idea that companies with the vast resources of Microsoft and Google somehow were too negligent to come up with ideas you likely came up with in a short time despite devoting vast resources. Granted its always possible an outsider can solve a problem. However even if somehow the impractical poorly considered "quote" suggestion were enough for that: then people would move on to other realms of harm from bad advice it gives. These are in progress tools that aren't going to be 100% perfect just as humans aren't. "All models are wrong. Some models are useful.".
What your clueless rant fails to understand is that we hold the manufacturers responsible to those third parties in these instances.
It is your comment that is seriously out of touch with reality since no: there are vast numbers of accidents occurring each year that some engineer could have prevented but it would have required a car costing a vast amount that no one would by. You provide no actual argument justifying your implication that we don't allow cars that could possibly injure bystanders: since it happens all the time.
I have seen no indication you are able to construct a coherent argument on this topic since your unproductive and unjustified assertions are useless and there is no reason to take them seriously unless you demonstrate some ability to actually argue the point.
It seems like the important aspect of Section 230 and the bookstore analogy were being too easily swept away. The intent of those was to not hold humans responsible for reviewing content that no human actually was responsible for reviewing nor could in practical terms be held responsible for viewing. Without them, certain businesses society wants couldn’t practically exist.
Its the same issue here: no humans are reviewing the output. Imagine if a search engine takes in a prompt and outputs a list of results that includes a clip from a web page containing content that would be labeled libel. The search engine company couldn’t pragmatically have had humans read the entire web and validate it against reality.
Yes: that clip was extracted from content produced by a human, but the displaying of it to a user is solely done by a computer. Should the search engine designers be held liable for the actions of the program when no human was in the loop? The reasonable decision was they wouldn’t.
Why are people allowed to use search engines when they may see libel? That seems to be main concern: the mere fact that a human may see false information. The secondary concern seems to be trying to place blame on someone other than the user for the choice to believe that information.
In the case of the search engine: they can lay blame on the creator of the page it extracted data from. Since that has gone away: out of frustration they seem to try to pull back and instead go after the creator of the software, even though its got the exact same issue as the search engine: no human from the entity creating the software views that content and screens it.
Its only an inanimate program doing so: so there is an attempt to pretend precedents applicable to humans apply to the machine creator, while handwaving over the reasoning process as to why an object can be substituted for the human.
The AI can’t always recover its sources. Where did you learn the concept that soccer balls are round, and can you cite all your sources? Its like a password hash function where the original can’t be reproduced from the hash. In this case the AI doesn’t know all it sources: and the text may not be an exact match to anything that exists. It may not even use the person’s name directly but only indirectly like using a cultural reference to “when that orange dude was in office he…”.
Yes: maybe an AI can be created in the future that is more traceable or accurate: just like maybe a car could be made 100% safe for bystanders in the future at a cost per car of $1 billion each in some future decades (if AI required hasn’t been outlawed).
There are some responses on this topic where people say “that isn’t how libel works”. Its entirely possible that they would be right if the creator is a human: but gloss over the step of how and why this tool should substitute in for a human when Microsoft Word or a search engine wouldn’t. Or the claim “that isn’t how negligence works” that don’t go on to state how they think its relevant (in user comments on prior pages, I know on the page above the author makes a flawed attempt at claiming relevance).
When dealing with a new type of thing you need to reason in detail, show your work. I recall decades ago needing to get people taking their first programming class to grasp that they can’t gloss over steps in their reasoning about a process, just as they can't in math proofs. Its like this South Park meme:
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/profit “On December 16th, 1998, Comedy Central aired the South Park episode “Gnomes.”[1] In the episode, the characters report that they are missing underpants and discover a society of tiny, magical gnomes who are stealing their undergarments for a supposed profit. When asked about their plan, the gnomes describe their method as, “Step 1: Collect underpants. Step 2.” Step 3: Profit.” The lack of step two indicates that they do not have an actual plan for monetizing their underpants collection. “