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Deep in the Heart of Amarillo
Back in the day, most local newspapers hired reporters who covered the dealings in local courts. Alas, with budget cuts, those positions have gone by the wayside. It is very rare indeed for the national media to care at all what happens in small-town courts. Of course, the single-judge divisions have recently become topics of national concern. And the judge du jour is Matthew Kacsmaryk of the Northern District of Texas. The Washington Post flew an entire team of reporters to Amarillo, and also interviewed nearly two dozen people (present company included). On balance, I thought the profile was fair, and conveyed an accurate image of Judge Kacsmaryk.
However, not everyone holds Judge Kacsmaryk in such high esteem. In Texas legal circles, it is well known that the never-ending stream of commentary about Judge Kacsmaryk has triggered a never-ending stream of death threats—and not just against the judge, but also threats against the judge's staff. Every time Ian Millhiser or Mark Joseph Stern or Ron Wyden invokes Judge Kacsmaryk's name, the switchboard lights up with threats. Perry Bacon of the Washington Post wrote that any threats of violence go with the job. I think we should not forget that someone nearly assassinated Justice Kavanaugh to prevent his vote in Dobbs.
At present, a motion for a preliminary injunction is pending before Judge Kacsmaryk. There is no requirement for a court to hold oral argument. Judges routinely decide motions on the papers. Courts can also submit interrogatories to the parties to resolve any questions. But Judge Kacsmaryk decided to schedule oral argument on the motion. He could have simply set the matter for argument on Zoom. Many judges have now moved almost entirely to Zoom oral argument. I do not think any of these judges can credibly cite COVID as a justification for Zoom arguments. The primary rationale, I suspect, is convenience. Zoom can be easier for the judge, court staff, and the parties. But not all judges favor Zoom hearings. There is much lost when everyone is reduced to a small square. So it seems that Judge Kacsmaryk thought it beneficial to hold the PI hearing in his Amarillo courthouse.
What happened next is the story of national headlines. Today the Washington Post published an article titled, "In an unusual move, judge delays public notice of abortion-pill hearing." Here is a snippet:
The Texas judge who could undo government approval of a key abortion drug has scheduled the first hearing in the case for Wednesday but took unusual steps to keep it from being publicized, according to people familiar with the plans.
The hearing will be an opportunity for lawyers for the Justice Department, the company that makes the drug and the conservative group that is challenging it to argue their positions before U.S. District Court Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk. After they do, the judge could rule at any time, potentially upending access to medication abortions across the country.
Kacsmaryk held a conference call with attorneys Friday to schedule Wednesday's hearing in Amarillo, Texas, said multiple people familiar with the call, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss it. Normally, such a hearing would be quickly placed on the public court docket, where anyone tracking the case online could see it. But Kacsmaryk said he would delay putting the hearing on the docket until late Tuesday to try to minimize disruptions and possible protests, and asked the lawyers on the call not to share information about it before then, the people said.
Public access to federal court proceedings is a key principle of the American judicial system, and Kacsmaryk's apparent delay in placing the hearing on the docket is highly unusual. The judge and his staff did not respond to emails requesting comment on Saturday evening. . . .
Attorneys on the planning call with Kacsmaryk on Friday included representatives from the Alliance Defending Freedom, which filed the lawsuit; the Justice Department, which represents the FDA; and the drug company that makes mifepristone. Representatives for each declined to comment or did not immediately respond to requests for comment on Saturday evening.
Kacsmaryk told the attorneys that he also wanted to delay publicizing the hearing because courthouse members have received threats in the wake of the lawsuit, according to the people familiar with the call. Several people close to Kacsmaryk say the judge and his family have faced security threats since he ascended to the federal bench in 2019, and those threats have intensified ahead of the abortion pill ruling. . . .
By waiting to publicize the time of the hearing, Kacsmaryk and his staff could make it difficult for the public, the media and others to travel to the courthouse in Amarillo, Tex. The rural, deeply conservative city has few direct flights except from Dallas or San Antonio and is at least a four-hour drive from any of the state's major, heavily-Democratic cities. Still, over 150 abortion rights advocates gathered there on a Saturday in mid-February to voice their support for abortion pills.
I think there are three distinct issues to consider here. First, was it appropriate for Judge Kacsmaryk to delay public notice about the hearing? Second, was it appropriate for someone to reveal that information to the Washington Post? Third, if Judge Kacsmaryk's decision was appropriate, but the revealing of the information was not appropriate, what are the potential repercussions?
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Our system of laws has long disfavored secret hearings. The experiences from the clandestine Star Chamber inspired the Sixth Amendment, which guarantees a right to a "speedy and public trial." The courts have long held that the public has a presumptive right to attend criminal hearings. And there is similar caselaw concerning civil proceedings. None of those precedents are directly implicated here. Judge Kacsmaryk fully intended to hold his hearing in public. And he planned to provide notice for the hearing the night before.
The question is whether the decision to delay posting public notice about the hearing itself was not appropriate. The Post only called the decision "unusual." No expert is quoted to explain why the step was "unusual". (No, I don't care what the "experts" on Twitter have said.)
I've done some research today, and I cannot find anything on point. There are cases concerning gag orders, in which a judge orders the parties not to talk about a proceeding. And there are other cases where proceedings are held "under seal" for specific reasons. Again, none of these precedents are directly relevant, as the ultimate proceeding would have been held in open court. The only issue concerns the delay of noticing the hearing. I'm not surprised this issue has not come up. Indeed, before electronic filing systems, it would have been impossible to even make such a claim as dockets were not publicly shared.
Given the lack of precedent, I'll try to reason from first principles. Judges generally have very broad control over their dockets. It is not unheard of for a motion to sit pending for months, and then the court issues an order for the parties to attend a status conference on very short notice. During the 3D-printed gun litigation, my client was sued on a Sunday afternoon by the Pennsylvania Attorney General. The district court scheduled a TRO hearing for about two hours later. I did the entire proceeding by phone from the United lounge at LaGuardia airport, with virtually no preparation time. The motion was denied about ten-minutes before boarding closed. And this was the old lounge outside security. I thankfully made my flights. When the interest of justice demands it, courts can move quickly.
Of course, the hearing in Amarillo was not scheduled hastily due to short notice. But the interest of justice may justify the decision in a different way: specifically, where the safety and security of the court are in jeopardy, a slight delay in publicizing the hearing can be warranted.
It is well known that there is limited security personnel at this small federal courthouse. I clerked in the single-judge division in Johnstown, Pennsylvania. There were three officers stationed near the front door. They were retired law enforcement who diligently performed their duties. But if they were swarmed by hundreds of protestors, they would not have been able to resist. If demonstators engaged in serial disruptions in the courtroom, similar to the Kavanaugh hearings, they would not have been able to remove everyone. The Supreme Court was able to erect barricades hours before the Dobbs leak was announced. The Amarillo court does not have similar resources. The ire against Judge Kacsmaryk rivals that of the hatred against Justice Kavanaugh. We cannot disregard that threat.
What exactly is the harm from the delay? I am not troubled by the fact that the press would have less time to plan a leisurely connection through DFW. (I've gotten stuck at DFW more times than I can count.) If the notification hit ECF on Tuesday evening, any bureau reporter in Dallas could have driven there by 9 a.m. Or Jeff Bezos could have chartered a private jet from Washington, D.C. to Amarillo. Traveling through the night is not pleasant, for sure, but when duty calls, it can be done.
The greater harm is that various groups would not have sufficient time to organize demonstrations outside the courthouse—and inside the courthouse (think of Code Pink members who disrupted the Kavanaugh hearings). Again, there is a right to public access to hearings. I am doubtful there is any similar right to allow community organizers similar time to arrange busses to Amarillo.
Was Kacsmaryk's decision unusual? Sure. But the situation here is quite unusual. I can't think of any other district court proceeding that has garnered so much attention. The national focus on this proceeding has put the safety and security of court staff at risk. A brief delay in announcing the hearing would not have prejudiced any of the parties. At most, a few national reporters would have had to rely on local bureau coverage. Democracy would not die in the darkness.
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I'll assume going forward that Judge Kacsmaryk acted appropriately in delaying the posting the notice of the hearing. Now, I want to turn to the fact that this information was revealed to the press.
The Post reports that Judge Kacsmaryk "asked the lawyers on the call not to share information about it before then." We do not have a transcript of that call, so we do not know the exact words Judge Kacsmaryk used. Perhaps there was a formal oral "order." If so, the attorneys potentially violated an order. I will discuss in the next section the consequences of such a breach.
Or maybe Judge Kacsmaryk "asked" the lawyers not to reveal the information. I put the word "asked" in quotes, because usually when a judge "asks" you to do something, he is not asking you in the colloquial sense of the word. It is a polite command. I welcome any of the practicing lawyers who read this blog to weigh in: if a judge asked you not to disclose some information for a few days to protect court security, would you treat that request as optional?
Now, it is possible that some of the lawyers on the call thought that Judge Kacsmaryk was wrong to make such a request. The lawyer could have sought clarification, and asked if this was an order or a request. During the 3D-printed gun litigation I mentioned above, the court's oral statement from the bench was not clear, so I asked point blank if the injunction applied to my client. The answer was no, and I was glad I clarified that point. If Judge Kacsmaryk said it was an order, then that lawyer could have sought mandamus from the Fifth Circuit. Of course, nothing of the sort happened here. In my estimation, lawyers for Alliance Defending Freedom, the Department of Justice, and Hogan Lovells (which represents the drug company), understood exactly what Judge Kacsmaryk meant. If they thought the request was "unusual," they kept their mouths shut.
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How did the information get from the lawyers on the call to the Washington Post? I imagine the information could have moved in one of several ways. First, an attorney who was on the call could have personally revealed the information to the Post. And by "information," I am including the specific detail that Judge Kacsmaryk wanted to delay publishing the notice to protect court security—not just the fact that a hearing would occur on Wednesday. Second, an attorney who was on the call could have told one of her colleagues at the firm/DOJ the information, and the colleague revealed that information to the press. Third, someone from the firm/DOJ could have told the information to a friend or family member, who in turn revealed the information to the press. There are probably other ways. In all instances, the judge's admonition/order to keep the information private was not adhered to.
Here I will assume that Judge Kacsmaryk's order was appropriate, and that revealing the information was a violation of that order. What, then, is the next step? Of course, the court can ignore the issue. I worry about this approach. There may be parallels between this reveal to the Washington Post and the Dobbs leak. People may no longer treat court confidentiality as worth protecting when the cause is sufficiently justified. This reveal to the Post may have been innocuous, and several layers removed from actual counsel. Or, it could have been a deliberate attempt to undermine the court's decision. Or someone may have engaged in civil disobedience, in response to what they thought was Judge Kacsmaryk's improper order.
The court could let the matter go for now, at least. There is a huge hearing coming up, and the court's attention is better served elsewhere. But, sooner or later, action can be taken. Specifically, the court could ask the parties on the call to certify whether they, or anyone at their firm/DOJ, revealed this information to the press, in violation of the court's order. (Again, I am assuming there was in fact an order—the transcript should shed light on this question.) This is the sort of action that the Supreme Court took to track down the leak (unsuccessfully). The lawyers may come back and say there was a communication error, and they regret this error. But this sort or order would put all counsel on notice about this practice. Leaking confidential court information cannot become the new normal after Dobbs.
Update: The New York Times describes the judge's request for secrecy as a "courtesy."
In asking the lawyers to keep quiet about the hearing, the judge did not issue a gag order, which would bar the participants on the call from sharing the information. Rather, he asked them to keep the information secret "as a courtesy."
I will wait to see the transcript.
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The media can afford to hire a pool reporter to hang out in Amarillo full time until the case is resolved.
Remember that point when conservatives are relying to even greater degree on the courtesy and magnanimity of the culture war's winners. Being on the wrong side of history has -- and in this case should have -- consequences, a number of which are controlled by the discretion of the victors.
Kirkland, you're not on the right side of history but if you were, expecting any magnanimity from your side is like the Jews expecting magnanimity from the Gestapo.
"The media" can't afford anything - it's not an actual entity.
Individual media companies could perhaps afford to hire a pool reporter. Who do you propose should bear that cost and how long do you think it would take to negotiate some sort of sharing agreement? And how do you reconcile that proposal with the observation at the very top of the article that newspapers abandoned that very business model for cost reasons?
The Associated Press is and things like this is what it exists for.
"Things like this" being judges trying to prevent the public and media from finding out about a public hearing with national implications?
Remember that scene from the Harry Potter movie where there's a court hearing and they've changed the time and place with almost no notice?
This is a Trump-appointed judge with a right-wing, Christian conservative background. This sort of chicanery looks intentionally designed to disenfranchise the public in order to improve the odds of a desired outcome.
I think we should not forget that someone nearly assassinated Justice Kavanaugh to prevent his vote in Dobbs.
I'm not sure how "nearly" that attempt was when Roske called the police on himself.
And I strongly doubt that the Star Chamber experiences had any direct influence, given that the Long Parliament got rid of it, and then when James II tried to bring it back, the Bill of Rights 1689 stopped it. More likely as an influence 6A were sundry habeas corpus acts, that Bill of Rights, and developing common law.
But it has been conveniently forgotten that Sotomayor was targeted by an actual killer (of a federal judge's family member, while attempting to murder the federal judge).
The only conspirator to write about Esther Salas was Irina. Blackman was dead silent on it.
Why single out Prof. Blackman? Conspirators generally are polemical partisans, sniping with misleading, cherry-picked, often hypocritical posts at the modern mainstream.
Well he’s the most hysterical when it comes to the goings on of federal judges. So it’s much more noticeable when he decides to ignore a major story about a federal judge.
Though if the judge had been murdered we likely would have gotten a post from him within 48 hours about how Trump will be able to fill the seat.
My comment concerned silence. Most or all of the Conspirators shut up -- or toss diversionary, bigotty chaff -- when a natural, prominent point of discussion would interfere with the gays-god-guns agenda of the Republican Party and Federalist Society.
#KissingDeSantAss, for example.
Not nearly enough first person in that. The post would be about how he himself was once threatened. It would then itemize the steps he took to protect himself in excruciating detail, and would then describe the advice he would give to judges about their personal security.
And then he'd segue to the replacement.
"But it has been conveniently forgotten that Sotomayor was targeted by an actual killer (of a federal judge’s family member, while attempting to murder the federal judge)."
That particular assassin opposed male-only draft registration, saying it was sexist.
*If* we are to have guilt by association, let the register-women brigade get their share of it.
Alternatively, we could hold homicidal fanatics responsible for their own behavior (although I think this particular killer offed himself and cheated human justice).
'That particular assassin opposed male-only draft registration, saying it was sexist.'
This is a standard right-wing edgelord-style argument of the sort we see here every now and than, like demanding basketball teams reflect the country's racial make-up or its racist to support abortion because black women have abortions and the like. To find people who are 'pro-women' who argue this, you'd have to find some first who are pro-draft, good luck with that.
Found one. From June 2022:
“‘To say only men are needed in that moment of a national emergency is outrageous and obscene,’ Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., said at a news conference after last year’s NDAA was finalized.”
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/06/27/requirement-women-register-draft-back-table-annual-defense-bill.html
Found another, from 2021:
"The panel voted 35-24 to approve an amendment from Rep. Chrissy Houlahan (D-Pa.) that would strike references in the law requiring a “male citizen” register for the Selective Service System and replace it simply with “citizen.”
"“By reforming the Selective Service to be gender-neutral based registration, we draw on the talents of our entire nation in the time of a national emergency,” Houlahan said. “The current male-only registration sends a message to women not only that they are not vital to the defense of the country, but also that they are not expected to participate in defending it.”"
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/570491-house-panel-backs-making-women-register-for-draft/
Well, there you go. I have never, ever encountered a feminist in favour of the draft before, let alone one who would try to assassinate someone in order to expand it. That’s centrist Ds for you. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s still a reactionary woman-hating right-wing style if-women-want-to-be-equal-why-aren’t-they-doing-the-dirty-jobs? argument, and that’s the type who traditionally act out violently over that sort of idea.
Did he have the ability to kill the judge?
You don't ask questions when you are dealing with a lunatic, which this schmuck clearly was, and the question thus becomes one of *could* he have done it...
And as to Star Chambers, let us not forget that they have returned to America's institutions of higher education -- almost every IHE now has one to control it's conservative students.
sorry for your love of violence but ‘nearly’ is a word that means something and does not apply to all could have happendes.
Sitting outside the Justice's house will a pistol and intent to kill the Justice generally counts as "nearly"
No. Shooting and missing counts as nearly killing. Turning oneself in without so much as ringing the doorbell counts, generously, as nearly trying.
And yet, somehow still gets one charged with attempted murder
Just because you don’t know the law of attempt doesn’t mean you get to pretend it means whatever.
Attempt can be well short of anything like nearly.
Trust Sarcastro to downplay attempted murder of a Federal Judge.
Just like you to not understand legal stuff up and then get mad when being called on it.
Turning oneself in after seeing that armed US Marshals are outside the home is a little detail you neglected to mention.
My guess is that he would have shot Kavanaugh otherwise.
Yiu and Blackman can live in this violent speculation based fantasy then.
By that reckoning, I've "nearly" killed quite a few people. And quite a few people have "nearly" killed me. And "nearly" killed you. And you've "nearly" killed so many people.
And so-on, etc.
Unlike the protestors of Jan 6, the Kavaugh assailent showed up with a gun, and various other equipment to carry out his stated mission.
Jan 6? None of those things exist.
there are others... but first hit on a 10-second search:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/indiana-man-pleads-guilty-carrying-gun-and-assaulting-law-enforcement-officers-jan-6
You provided a DoJ press release. The media must not of done enough to push the narrative, the Propagandists at DoJ had to get their own hands dirty.
It sounds like a gun registered to this guy was found on the grounds. Not in the Capitol. Not on his person. Hundreds of pleas were coerced by the feds. Starting by locking them up without bail.
This is of a piece with the Stanford clowns and the judge. If the cause is "just" by the lights of the current version of political correctness, nothing done in furtherance of the cause is wrong.
Someone needs to have their career blown up over this, and not the judge.
As an aside, I think a strong argument can be made the Dobbs leak was a positive thing. Imagine if the opinion hadn't leaked. I suspect one or more justices would have been killed. The media frenzy and pressure would have been unlike anything we have ever seen.
Subjecting lawyers to gag orders over the dates of public hearings for the purpose of limiting public viewing is totally unacceptable.
I really doubt there was a gag order. The judge didn't want disruption. Some of the many people in on the information did, or didn't care one way or the other but were offended by the request.
I mean asking the lawyers to keep it secret sounds like a gag order to me.
"Someone needs to have their career blown up over this, and not the judge."
If it's not a real gag order, then how would this potential result in the original comment not effectively make it one?
"It's not a gag order, but if you leak the date and location of the public hearing to the public, we'll destroy your career."
Asking? sounds like, Order. to you? Nope, does not sound like, nor are the words synonyms.
The lefts position is different from their take on dozens of Federal agencies, and NGO's funded by the feds pushed lists of twitter users to twitter having them silenced. "They only asked" is the standard talking point.
Violating court orders to facilitate death threats against the judiciary (either judges or their staff) is just as unacceptable, except you seem to be in favor of it.
I said I didn’t like waffles. That doesn’t mean I like pancakes.
I’m of course against death threats of judges. But I also know that’s no reason to try to hide public hearings from people. The judge could have asked for more marshals and asked for comprehensive security assessments.
Big city state court judges often try and sentence gang members in proceedings that are not only not secret, but are often live streamed. In cases where threats have been issued to themselves and to witnesses. They do it In courthouses with worse security and access to less sophisticated security services. Local police/sheriffs are way less good at security than US Marshalls.
And yet they don’t try to play games with scheduling orders to avoid press scrutiny.
This judge however is such a baby he doesn’t want anyone to report on his activities in a nationally important case.
Does it make your head hurt to hold so many double standards in such a short span? To be so quick and easy to claim to read others' minds with far less charity than you insist they give you?
What double standard? There is no double standard. The standard is: judges don’t try and hide hearings from the public. State court judges do it all the time in cases with much greater security risks. I’m simply holding federal judges to the same standard. Unless you think they’re such weak personalities they can’t handle it?
I agree with you about this, but for different reasons. I think that the judge should be willing, as a public official, to put his life on the line. He should do so in a way that allows the baby-killers, perverts, deadbeats, and criminals to show up and demonstrate their animus towards the rule of law. If he believes that he is going to make a ruling that is just according to the law (and he obviously does), then I say, damn the torpedoes.
Of course, if someone is threatening the judge's family and/or staff, the police should be pursuing those engaged in this behavior 'with extreme prejudice' (in the actual military usage of the term, not in the popular usage).
The kind of double standard where you insist that we assume you reject the kind of death threats and violence that your actions enable, but then insist we share your misreading of blog posts. (Do you think there's a relevant difference between an assumption and an assertion or an argument, or do they all look the same to you?)
If you are responding to me, it might help for you to be intelligible. Nothing you said makes any sense whatsoever. As I tell my undergraduates, you might want to get a proofreader. I don't believe that your first sentence is even a complete sentence.
I was responding to LTG, which is why my comment shows up one level indented from his comment than one level indented from yours.
Okay. But it’s still not intelligible,
Wut? Wtf are you talking about? “My actions enable?” What action did I personally take that lead to death threats? What blogpost did I misread?
“Do you think there’s a relevant difference between an assumption and an assertion or an argument, or do they all look the same to you?”
How is this assonant pseudo-philosophical disquisition relevant to my point?
The other option is for the judge to declare a one-mile exclusion zone around the court.
He’s not allowed to do that?
I think you're confusing a judge with SACEUR.
Wait, Europe? SACEUR is Supreme Allied Commander - Europe, right? That is one hell of an exclusion zone. 🙂
Yes. I figured a surreal comment deserved a surreal response.
Show your work Mikey.
It's probably a bad sign when your allies are more threatening to a judiciary than narcoterrorists are. I would guess it has something to do with the repeated attempts to destroy an occupied federal courthouse in 2020, along with the occasionally successful efforts to destroy police precincts or ICE facilities, and the more recent celebrity advocacy of murder to achieve leftist objectives in cases like this one.
A more mature person than you might take stock and ask his friend "Are we the baddies?"
“More threatening”
Show your work on this one. Oh and BTW, the only person to get close to killing a judge was a a trump lover who murdered the judge’s son at her house. And Sotomayor was on his hit list. The right has completely memory-holed that one.
You also assume that other judges aren’t getting credible threats from the right or other weirdos and simply aren’t big babies about it.
If rioters in 2020 with extreme views who committed property destruction are my “allies” then right wing mass shooters are yours. Did you ask your self if you’re the baddie after El Paso? Buffalo? Christchurch? Colorado Springs?
What about the Paul Pelosi attack? Oh wait
no one asked themselves that question: they just made up lies about him being gay.
Or when the Republican loser shot up democrats homes in Albuquerque?
Oh and btw: David Mitchell would probably think you’re kind of a knob.
The solution to the potential for a death threat resulting from a public hearing isn't to try and hide the hearing and prevent the public from attending. It's either to make it not public (publicly)--if that's even legal--and adequately explain why, or secure the hearing appropriately while providing the public the access the law requires.
Also, didn't we just have another ruling regarding the Constitutionality of hate speech? And don't we have laws that adequately address real death threats? You'd think this right-wing judge in Texas--of all places--would have more confidence in our legal system and all the good Texans with guns to protect him.
Fringe judge departs from modern American practice, clingers want to hang someone else. Maybe you guys should put the birther team on finding a witch!
If the opinion hadn't been leaked, by the time the would-be assailants knew whom to be angry at it would have been too late to affect the result by killing anyone.
-dk
Blackman, you and your fellow Heritage seditionists swell like toads when your secret machinations and electors schemes get the cast of daylight. Maybe you should stop doing things you are afraid the public will dislike
Wow, I like that: “Heritage Seditionist”.
If ‘HeritageSeditionist’ starts commenting here, it’s probably my sock, unless of course someone beats me to it.
Swollen Toad would make a great band name.
Seditionists? Project much?
Would you look at that, my “whataboutism” in the Blackman Duncan post was proven completely correct here: Josh praised Kacsmaryk’s decision and sees no problem with it.
What a predictable chump.
Further prediction: some liberal judge pulls this in a gun rights case and Blackman whines about it.
The only thing dumber than thinking "conservative lawyer likes conservative opinions and dislikes liberal ones" is a take worthy of sharing is getting mad about the same.
The decision to play scheduling games to preclude public access isn’t necessarily conservative. Unless you want to claim it is?
No points for you. That prediction is easier to make than sunrise.
People need to remember that the NarcoTerrorists assumed power when they had convinced the JUDGES that they would be killed for doing their jobs.
I'm reminded of what Abraham Lincoln had to do in 1861 to arrive alive in DC and I'm thinking that the judge may pull the same thing -- reschedule for tomorrow morning. If all three parties are able to respond -- if by Zoom if necessary -- then why not?
Conversely, 72 hours is enough time to fly a C-5 full of federal marshals into whatever airport is big enough to land the plane at, and then somehow get them the rest of the way.
I am again reminded of January 6th and have to ask how is this different??? Other than which side is being criminal, how is it different?
And what's the Federal statute of limitations on this stuff? COULD a future Trump or DeSantis administration direct a friendly AG to prosecute any courtroom insurrectionists in February of 2025?
But I have to say that I don't like the threat of terrorism against ANY judge, including a judge with whom I disagree, because that destroys the rule of law....
Well for one thing, January 6th actually happened, whereas nothing has yet happened here.
Nothing has happened here YET.....
Correct. That is the big difference.
Not that anything is going to happen next week either, but I assume you’d be fine with it if it did? Since you don’t seem too bothered about the capitol riots either?
Whenever violence from the right occurs, it's a deep state false flag, a lone nut, or BLM/Antifa. For all the threats/lusting for violence on the right, when it does happen the cheerleaders retreat into conspiracy and victimhood, where they're most comfortable.
Examples?
Well, this is easy to find since even someone with a short memory should remember it: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/01/us/politics/antifa-conspiracy-capitol-riot.html
"At 1:51 p.m. on Jan. 6, a right-wing radio host named Michael D. Brown wrote on Twitter that rioters had breached the United States Capitol — and immediately speculated about who was really to blame. “Antifa or BLM or other insurgents could be doing it disguised as Trump supporters,” Mr. Brown wrote, using shorthand for Black Lives Matter. “Come on, man, have you never heard of psyops?”
[...]
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Within hours, a narrative built on rumors and partisan conjecture had reached the Twitter megaphones of pro-Trump politicians. By day’s end, Laura Ingraham and Sarah Palin had shared it with millions of Fox News viewers, and Representative Matt Gaetz of Florida had stood on the ransacked House floor and claimed that many rioters “were members of the violent terrorist group antifa.”
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I can find examples of Jan 6th folks claiming victimhood and Trump's offer to set it all right once he's reelected by pardoning all these poor victims. It'll take longer to cut-n-paste the stuff into the VC than it will to find credible sources online using Google.
I will say again what I have been saying all along -- where were all the police?!?!?!?
That was a setup, either false flag or not, for political gain, and anyone with an IQ above 12 can see that.
Mr Hook/Dr Ed - shot/chaser
Which is worse -- this bunch of delusional misfits, or the disaffected law professors who have cultivated them as an audience?
Or the bored groomers who spend their free time away from their catamites cutting and pasting the same old tripe on a daily basis?
Let's get to the endpoint: What's worst is the collection of downscale, conservative-controlled, nonsense-teaching schools that would hire a clinger like this questing vole as a professor.
Why did mainstream America accept accreditation of "schools" such as Wheaton, Cedarbrook, Franciscan, Ouachita Baptist, Oral Roberts, Bob Jones, Hillsdale, Regent, and Liberty? Credible educational institutions do not use volumes of fairy tales in biology classrooms, for example.
I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I am not religious and I work at a large public R1. And, though you are correct about the scholarly stature (or lack thereof) of most of the schools that you mention, Wheaton has an excellent academic reputation (and 80% of the public institutions of higher learning in the US are no better than the schools that you mention).
Wheaton . . . the school that escorted a faculty member off campus for saying that Muslims are people, too?
If you work at a public school, are you aware that your colleagues not only disrespect you but also find you repulsive and wish you would depart without delay?
I am again reminded of January 6th and have to ask how is this different???>
Fucking unbelievably stupid. You really are deranged.
'I am again reminded of January 6th and have to ask how is this different???'
There's been a certain amount of discussion on whataboutery lately, and yes, it does have its place, but this is your brain on nothing BUT whataboutery.
A main procedural problem here is that the Friday scheduling conference didn't make it onto ECF/PACER, while if there is a hearing this coming Wednesday, it hasn't made it onto the system either. (Just checked -- 4:25 pm Sunday CDT.) Typically, when a proceeding is closed or sealed, there is something to that effect visible on PACER.
Judge Kacsmaryk didn't actually order the lawyers not to inform the press -- or at least he didn't do this in writing or in any way visible to the public. Once court opens Monday morning, he ought to issue an order setting the hearing, hold the hearing as scheduled, and maybe apologize at the start of the hearing for causing confusion.
Isn’t that the entire point?
Many thanks to Prof. Blackman for linking to the New York Times story, which explains the PACER issues ...
On Friday, the public court record showed subtle signs that something unusual had occurred. That morning, the first new entry in 10 days was added to the case’s docket: a notice of appearance for a Justice Department lawyer, a standard document usually added to a case in advance of an upcoming proceeding, but the docket did not show any proceeding.
In addition, there was a gap in the numerical listing of documents in the docket — document 124 was missing — suggesting that a recent entry had been sealed. People familiar with the case said the sealed document referred to the Friday meeting between the judge and the lawyers.
Remarkably (or maybe not), Prof. Blackman manages to get the answers to all three of his questions dead wrong.
"Based on this one time I actually interacted with a judge on behalf of a client, on a totally different procedural point with zero relevance to the example I'm opining on, I conclude that (i) the judge is right and (ii) the leakers to the press were wrong. But I'll read the transcript when it comes out, and I'll post about it if I think the transcript supports my position."
Would there not be some court staff on the call as well as the lawyers ?
Aside from cui bono, how would we know who leaked it ?
The newspaper article claims multiple unnamed sources. There are a lot of people involved in the case and the only people who don't want to exploit it for political ends work for the drug manufacturer. The drug manufacturer has only one product and intervened to save its business.
That got lost in all of this = The drug manufacturer has only one product and intervened to save its business.
Since when is a business not also entitled to care that a case involving its one product is handled above board without any chicanery? The business has a responsibility to its shareholders and customers and it's owned and made up of members of the public who, along with the business itself, have a right to attend the public hearing.
(Also, since when are conservatives against corporate greed as a valid motive for anything?)
An attempt that occurred at the justice’s house, not in a secure courthouse where armed guards check the ID of every would-be spectator and screen them for weapons. To the extent that Judge Kacsmaryk is in similar danger, it’s hard to see how obscuring the date of the hearing will mitigate it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_on_Precinct_13_(2005_film)
How many guards are they going to have?!?
I once saw a movie about invaders from space, so I guess you're worried about that too.
On behalf of the American mainstream, I can divulge -- and do so mainly to acknowledge the insights, expressed at the Volokh Conspiracy, of guys like Dr. Ed 2, Eugene Volokh, BravoCharlieDelta, Josh Blackman, and Brett Bellmore -- that next week's Project Amarillo will be conducted by an elite tactical unit of lesbians, Muslims, drag queens, transgendered kindergarteners, godless immigrants, vaccinologists, liberal Jews, and family court judges who have ruled against white males.
OK, one more detail: The commanders will be a school librarian from California and an election official from Arizona.
You forgot the half-wit DIE admins.
They are unavailable consequent to another important mission, in California. The most I can say is that involves a roundly bigoted jerk from Louisiana who still claims bigotry is somehow improved by old-timey religion.
Is his bigotry round-shaped or is he?
You figure roundly might modify jerk in that sentence?
As opposed to an Austrian paper hanger?
bernard11 : “I once saw a movie about invaders from space, so I guess you’re worried about that too”
I’m sure he is. After all, we’re talking about Nostradamus Ed here, the man who has predicted more apocalyptic end-times that any other person alive.
Granted, none have come true – but I take no comfort from that. Like all those monkeys working on Lear, it’s only a matter of time.
You really have some deep thing with reality and fantasy not being that different for you…
You reference the remake? You‘re just wrong about *everything*. Hilarious.
I know, right? My God, that’s staggering levels of wrongness.
There are various ways that having the hearing date not immediately public may mitigate the risk.
To start with, knowing when the judge is going to be at a public location (the courthouse) makes things easier. As would a potential crowd of protesters, that could overwhelm the local law presence, in addition to hiding a more lethal presence. And one may not need to be "in" the courthouse, but could potentially target the judge "entering" the courthouse.
It's a very modest risk preventative measure (not immediately publishing the court hearing date), which may help with a potentially lethal situation.
Let's add on here. I'm sure leftist protesting groups could round up two or three hundred "enthusiastic" protestors to go to Amarillo given enough time. And with the history of death threats and leftist violence, especially against Federal Courthouses (what's a little firebombing here or there?), it's a concern. Especially given the relatively small size of the Amarillo police department, it could overwhelm local law enforcement.
So, a modest preventative measure....not immediately putting the hearing on the public schedule...may alleviate this sort of violent risk.
Fuck yeah. Jan 06 was nothing. But this made up nothing? It's a future murder that only you know about!
And didja hear how Kavanaugh was *nearly killed?* Just non-stop lefty violence, and false-flags people blame on the right!!
Why not suspend the usual rules of public access to burnish your own persecution complex?
You'd justify a police state if it let you attack liberals just a bit more.
I mean, he works there. I know when he’s going to be at the courthouse too.
I wonder if the dumbasses writing this fanfic think that Kacsmaryk is holding secret hearings in all of the dozens of cases assigned to him.
Death threats against federal judges are unacceptable, period.
State judges? Meh.
I’m sure that’s not what he meant, LTG, but you do you.
Agreed.
Is there any basis for those of us who haven’t heard the latest fro. “ Texas legal circles” to suppose these threats have been made? And if so, why Judge Kacsmaryk is gossiping about it with Prof. Blackman instead of reporting it to the U.S. Marshals?
I have heard that the lawyers in the case were informed of them and they played a role in Judge K's (mistaken) request for a closed hearing.
"closed hearing"
The hearing was not being closed, it was just not being put on the docket until the day before.
The night before, if I recall the description correctly.
This Mission-From-God judge seems just the guy to have planned to place it on the docket at 11:59 p.m.
Would it be okay for SCOTUS to do that with an oral argument?
I dunno... is SCOTUS going to vote the way Bob would like them to? That seems to matter given the general responses to this Texas judge.
Question: wasn't he afraid of death threats from people who are highly protective of transparent government and the public's right to know? Or is it just the prospect of women driving a few hours in from the nearest large town or city that made him consider hiding the public hearing as best he could?
So you’re going to take down this post then?
This is the courtlistener copy of the PACER docket: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/65768749/alliance-for-hippocratic-medicine-v-us-food-and-drug-administration/
As noted above, the only recent activity is an appearance by a lawyer for the federal government.
Legal issues aside, this is noteworthy because Josh Blackman has joined the list of conspirators who know how to break a post using a "read more" link.
Came here to observe the same thing. We'll see if any of the chronic grumblers about this issue express a word of gratitude.
Now that he knows how to use it, maybe he can learn when to use it.
Hint: Much earlier than he does.
At least we can all get in some good cardio chasing those goalposts!
This isn't the first time he's used it by any means, which makes his failure to use it all the worse.
Yeah, grumblers always gonna find something to grumble about. What was I thinking?
Who grumbles about the grumblers?
(Says he, grumbling about the grumblers about the grumblers...)
Can we all agree that it's scary if judges -- no matter how far to the left or right, are threatened with violence?
Threatened with impeachment, fine, but there can be NO tolerance of threats of violence!
Uh, you have personally threatened violence against judges on this very website!
Not intentionally....
Actually, I can't see writing anything close to that -- your specifics???
“Let he who has never accidentally issued a death threat against the judiciary from time to time cast the first stone!”
Can we all agree judges should not be threatened with violence?
Not at the Volokh Conspiracy.
The carefully curated collection of conservative commenters here have regularly called for liberal judges (and other non conservatives) to be gassed, lined up and shot, sent to Zyklon showers, placed face-down in landfills, raped, exterminated, killed in a race war, shot in the face when opening front doors, and pushed through woodchippers.
Has a single Volokh Conspirator objected to those comments? Has the Volokh Conspiracy — which has repeatedly censored comments and commenters for making fun of or criticizing conservatives — ever removed a comment calling for liberals to be murdered (in graphic detail)?
Calls for violence are welcome at the Volokh Conspiracy. When advanced by the Conspirators’ fellow conservatives.
If the Conspirators wish to contend I have inaccurately described the record, I hope the Conspirators will provide their perspective and try to defend this blog’s conduct.
What happened to the cut and paste function? The catamites must have been put back in their cages long ago for this profusion to have taken place. Did you get your pussy hurt by someone censoring your pithy comments?
I am on your side here. I certainly don't think that the insipid stupidity that you flaunt here should be kept from us. Please, tell Prof. Volokh that I am a supporter of you and your fellow cultural barbarians having your say about anything and everything.
"The carefully curated collection of conservative commenters here have regularly called for liberal judges (and other non conservatives) to be gassed, lined up and shot, sent to Zyklon showers, placed face-down in landfills, raped, exterminated, killed in a race war, shot in the face when opening front doors, and pushed through woodchippers. "
Evidence, Kirkland, evidence???
I can't see EV not intervening if that were proposed...
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Any comment, Prof. Volokh?
Does a single Conspirator have anything to say along this line?
Cowards. Paltry cowards.
Especially paltry, hypocritical cowards.
Carry on, clingers. So long as tenure protects you, anyway.
Says the guy who constantly stares that immigrants should be summarily executed. As long as you’re killing extra-legally, why discriminate?
Bullshite.
Agree or not, the use of deadly force to secure a barrier is very different from extra-legal executions.
No, there are laws against shooting civilians. You making up justifications that make sense to you subjectively doesn't change that. Plenty of psychos think they are justified.
We could, if we could also agree that Congress shouldn't be threatened with, and then subjected to, violence in the name of preventing Biden from being named POTUS.
Maybe this courthouse in Texas could put up barricades and police to protect the proceeding?
"I think we should not forget that someone nearly assassinated Justice Kavanaugh to prevent his vote in Dobbs." Bullshit. Gabby Giffords was nearly assissinated. Reagan was nearly assassinated. Teddy Roosevelt was nearly assassinated. Kavanaugh was unaware that he was being threatened by a psychotic clown. You can't see that difference?
Josh sees the difference. It's just that he, like many commenters here, choose to ignore it, in order to serve a broader narrative.
He's a liar, in other words.
Huh. So the bullet has to go in you, but not kill you, in order to count as a near assassination? Interesting place to draw the line.
How could you leave out the almost accomplishment of Arthur Bremer?
Brian, there was intent to kill on the part of the goofball, but it does seem as if you have to get a little past near the target’s home with a gun to reach the almost assassinated level.
Showing up outside his target's house with a pistol, knife, pepper spray, zip ties, hammer, screwdriver, crowbar and duct tape goes well beyond "goofball" scope. He was basically deterred only because there were U.S. Marshals outside Kavanaugh's front door who spotted him (thank goodness).
OK, Gerry Ford wasn't almost assassinated?
I'm guessing that the USSS would beg to differ on that one...
Death threats against a federal judge are totally unacceptable.
But the judge here should nonetheless ask for more security rather than attempting to do proceedings in secret.
Agreed. Seems pretty obvious on its face. Which is why it's hard to believe that's the reason for the chicanery.
Wait...I have not read any comment discussing the physical security aspect here. Does anyone seriously doubt this hearing has controversial overtones? Does anyone seriously doubt that this hearing will attract interested parties (read: boorish protestors) like flies to feces? And y'all think that all of those interested parties are like choirboys and choirgirls (or...it is choirpeople, or choirthem, oh forget it!)? Really...do you think that? If you do....I have a bridge for sale that I can send you a brochure for. 🙂
I cannot believe I even have to write this: Judges are not fair game for violence, or intimidation. Ever.*
If the murder of Daniel Anderl (the son of Judge Esther Salas - and may his memory be a blessing) is not enough; then is John Wood, or Robert Vance enough?
Maybe cut the judge some slack here, at least until the hearing is scheduled and the call transcript becomes available? Some of these comments I am reading are just...disturbing.
*Peaceful expression of 1A is fine, do not misconstrue what I am writing here. I am fine with peaceful expression of views.
A trial being controversial seems like you want to ensure public access, not restrict it.
Your logic is a heckler's veto except the hecklers are imaginary.
I think the point is: I do want to ensure orderly public access to it (meaning, the hearing). What we don't want is a damned circus, a messed up hearing, violence or intimidation. When matters of public controversy come before the courts, it is not wrong IMO to approach it with some degree of caution.
Let's see what happens, and what the facts are.
Sure, that I agree with.
But don't speculate yourself into prior restraint based on stuff that hasn't happened.
"But don’t speculate yourself into prior restraint based on stuff that hasn’t happened."
Isn't that what you're doing? How is posting notice a day before the hearing "prior restraint"?
Besides, I'm sure they can get to Amarillo By Morning https://youtu.be/FbVISS-lEAc
11:59 pm is *technically* the "day before." Sure. The goal was to keep the public from knowing about a public hearing so late that few would be able to attend. Now, if you believe that was because of security or because of partisanship, it makes no difference. It was still an attempt to keep the public from attending a public hearing.
And if they could make it to Amarillo by morning--meaning it wouldn't be that big of a deterrent--how does this even meet the judge's stated goal of improving security? The people most likely to go to extreme measures to overcome the judge's planned scheduling trick are the ones he's most likely trying to exclude, assuming preventing violence was his goal. The people he'd end up excluding are the general public with an interest and reporters who have to schedule flights from farther way (like LA, NYC, DC, etc.)
Since when is it okay to exclude the public from public hearings that can impact the healthcare of citizens all across the country? That sets a terrible precedent and erodes trust in our legal system further.
I said "...a day before..." not the day before. A day before is one day before. The day before could be 11:59 PM.
"trial"
An interlocutory motion hearing.
Well it’s a preliminary injunction hearing. Which as you know can be consolidated with a trial on the merits under Fed. R. Civ P. 65(a). And evidence taken during that hearing goes to the trial record in the event there is a trial on a permanent injunction.
Ah, but that's the rub.
I am very confident that at least 99%, if not 100% of the "death threats" this judge and his staff have been receiving would be "peaceful expression[s] of 1A" if they were happening to a non-judge. And that determination? Is 100% on the judiciary itself.
The justice system has decided, for decades, that what is colloquially referred to as "death threats" are almost always acceptable free speech, and that the bar is very high before it becomes an actual death threat that merits any action, and that that any action taken prior to that line is not warranted.
So simply put, the justice system in this country made their bed regarding how we, as a country, treat "death threats". For me to care now, after decades of being told not to, is difficult.
Quite a circle jerk the Rev. Costco, LTG and SarcastrO have going here.
Costco is an excellent purveyor. (I just cashed my annual rewards certificate, which amounted to roughly seven times the cost of membership. If you shop regularly at Costco, the membership fee approximates a rounding error.)
My experience indicates Kirkland Signature products are first-rate nearly without exception.
I recommend Costco to everyone. It has higher-quality and higher-end merchandise than Sam's Club, although far fewer common brand name products and low-level offerings. BJ's seems to occupy roughly the midpoint between Sam's and Costco.
I have to agree about Costco Kirkland products; definitely good. Certainly a step up from BJs, Sams.
I have to beg pardon, but the judiciary has repeatedly ruled that the vast majority of "death threats" are not, in fact, "death threats", but just "free speech".
If this judge or his staff are receiving actual "death threats", then they should report such to the police and let them handle it. But if they are not receiving actual "death threats", but instead just free speech (which per their own precedent can include graphic descriptions of mutilating them and their children and so-on), they should not feel threatened. After all, it is the judiciary itself that has said that such free speech is not cause for action.
Star Chamber might have been insular and unfair, but it wasn’t clandestine. Offhand, I’m not sure if a fellow could come in off the Clapham Omnibus (or Coach, or horse), but I’ve seen mention of interested members of the nobility and members of Privy Council sitting in on the proceedings, and there was an usher and a crier. Not to mention the comprehensive records, which J.H. Baker has described as being a bit like tabloid newspapers, given the court’s mission of holding the aristos accountable who otherwise would have bullied and threatened the circuit and assize judges — much in the old manner of compurgation, a bevvy of armed retainers cheering a party on was not an unfamiliar sight at the assizes. (Exercising what they thought to be their civic duty in attending the open proceeding.)
I’ve often compared the ad-hoc tribunals like the Facebook Supreme Court (or whatever it’s called) to Star Chamber, and it’s almost invariably taken the wrong way. It’s basically celeb justice in the interests of not starting small wars.
Mr. D.
Updated to add: The above refers to procedures through the Tudors. In the relatively short period between the accession of James and the Long Parliament's dissolution of the court, procedures became a bit more arbitrary, which is probably where the commonly held misconception of secretive justice comes from.
As I understand it, the Star Chamber procedures remained constant, the targets shifted. When they were going after arrogant aristocrats, they were popular. When they started going after Puritans and other religious radicals, their popularity diminished, especially among Puritans and other religious radicals. This is relevant because Puritans etc. were gaining ground in Parliament and voiced the religious dissenters’ complaints, ending in abolishing the court on the eve of England’s Civil War.
While I'll only hesitatingly tangle with a Margrave (though I once held some fictional rank in the State of Franklin myself), I'd query that. While I can't speak to concrete changes in procedure under the Stuarts, I can say that the Tudor (and earlier) courts were prerogative courts of the common law, with records kept and judges fairly knowledgeable in the law, if tending a bit towards Earl Warren's styles of political jurisprudence. If you were called to account there, it wasn't a secret, which was sort of the point. Perhaps, as the Stuarts increasingly targeted more private people such as religious dissenters, the public nature of the proceedings changed, since no one had much interest in seeking a Shaker shook, or a Quietist holding their peace.
Mr. D.
Update, I did take a quick look at the Council Courts chapter in the Elizabethan volume of the Oxford History of the Laws of England, hoping for a definitive answer to this, but the only tidbit I found on attendance was that in the time of the early Tudors, it was far less-attended by the lawyers and commonplacing-students of Westminster than the larger courts downstairs, which accounts for the comparatively small number of holograph reports of cases. But that would also seem to establish that the door was open to them, should they ever have wandered in.
Mr. D.
The docket indicates a lawyer representing a representative group of mainstream journalists has called this backwater judge on his tinhorn tactics.
The lawyer is associated with a law school’s First Amendment clinic. And no, it isn’t UCLA’s — most likely because this case doesn’t involve lesbians, drag queens, Muslims, persecuted white males, satanic temples, vile racial slurs, or transgender bathrooms.
Although UCLA’s First Amendment clinic could get involved, supporting this judge’s conduct.
Arthur, thanks for that link. That lawyer did not waste time at all. I commend him for his sense of urgency. 🙂
What do you think of Prof. Volokh's (and his law school First Amendment clinic's) reaction?
The Volokh Conspiracy's reaction?
Any commendations here?
Southern Methodist University is a strong, liberal-libertarian institution and UCLA is a backwater, superstition-riddled institution.
If FDA gets forced to de-approve Mifepristone (AKA RU-486 AKA “the French abortion pill”, and the Mifepristone-followed-by-misoprostol regimen becomes unavailable, the doctors can just use Methotrexate-followed-by-misoprostol instead. Methotrexate is a perfectly adequate substitute (in almost all cases; see the work of Richard U. Hausknecht and the work of David A. Grimes) for Mifepristone (although its mechanism of action is completely different). Methotrexate has been around for a very long time, and it is the first line of treatment for many indications (cancer, rheumatoid arthritis, psoriasis, …etc.) unlike Mifepristone, which is still relatively new and still mostly an abortion-pill.
Any attempt to get Methotrexate de-approved would encounter skepticism, ridicule, and fierce resistance from the medical community. Misoprostol, too. FDA could, I suppose, be forced to withdraw approval of these medications for abortions, but that would just make abortions an off-label use, and off-label uses of approved medications are as old as FDA itself.
So if Kaczmaryk does this, he will likely cause the resistance to Republican right-to-lifism to harden and increase, without actually preventing any non-surgical abortions. Do it, Judge! Watch what happens next.
The minute entry for Friday's hearing and the order scheduling the next hearing are now available on the docket, at ECF Nos. 128 and 129. The hearing will be Wednesday at 9.
If we went by proper constitutional principles, some prolife state would sue the FDA in the Supreme Court under its original jurisdiction. Standing would be based on the federal government underming the plaintiff state’s prolife laws. That wouldn’t work in practice, I suppose, because the Supreme Court really doesn’t like wielding its original jurisdiction (too much work? too controversial?).
So I guess we’re stuck with discussing the details of litigation in district court. Sad!