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Journal of Free Speech Law: "The Virtue of Tolerance in Hiring and Promotion by Private Institutions,"
by Prof. Peter de Marneffe (Ariz. State).
Just published as part of the "Non-Governmental Restrictions on Free Speech" symposium; here's the start of the Introduction and the Conclusion (the article is here):
The political cultures of some private universities and corporations are criticized as intolerant. There is a dominant political ideology, the thought goes, and those who hold it are intolerant of others who hold different views. One form of alleged intolerance is political discrimination in hiring and promotion: Those known to hold contrary views are not hired or promoted for this reason. But what is the virtue of tolerance and what attitude toward those who disagree with us does it require? Here I appeal to Scanlon's account of tolerance in order to identify a relatively clear sense in which political discrimination in hiring and promotion is intolerant, and to identify some bad things about it. It does not follow, however, that this kind of intolerance violates anyone's rights or that it should be illegal. So although this essay identifies a sense in which political discrimination in hiring and promotion is intolerant, it leaves questions of permissibility unanswered.
Central to the question of political intolerance on campus and in the workplace is disagreement about racial and gender proportionality as a social goal. This goal is that the proportion of faculty and students at private universities who are nonwhite or female and the proportion of corporate officers and managers at private companies who are nonwhite or female roughly matches the proportion of nonwhites and females in the general population. Is it a serious institutional failing if, compared to the general population, university faculty and corporate officers and managers are disproportionately white or male? Those committed to diversity, equity and inclusion—as the slogan goes—believe this is a serious failing urgently in need of being addressed. Others disagree. For convenience I refer to the first group as "DEI advocates" and to the second group as "DEI nonadvocates." A charge of intolerance might be directed at DEI advocates on the grounds that they discriminate in hiring and promotion against nonadvocates. Imagine, then, that you are a DEI advocate. What attitude toward nonadvocates in hiring and promotion does the virtue of tolerance require of you?
Scanlon writes:
Tolerance requires that people who fall on the "wrong" side … should not, for that reason, be denied legal and political rights: the right to vote, to hold office, to benefit from the central public goods that are otherwise open to all, such as education, public safety, the protections of the legal system, healthcare, and access to "public accommodations." In addition, it requires that the state not give preference to one group over another in the distribution of privileges and benefits.
This seems easy enough to accept and, as far as I know, DEI advocates do not generally hold that nonadvocates should be deprived of basic political rights or that the state should give preference to DEI advocates in the distribution of benefits such as public education and health care. But the question here is: What does tolerance require of private institutions?
Scanlon does not limit the virtue of tolerance to the recognition of equal political rights and the impartial distribution of privileges and benefits by the state. Tolerance requires in addition that we "accept as equals" those who disagree with us, where to accept others as equals in the relevant sense involves accepting that "all members of society are equally entitled to be taken into account in defining what our society is and equally entitled to participate in determining what it will become in the future." This, according to Scanlon, requires more than equal rights of participation in the formal political process of voting and running for office; it requires, too, equal rights of participation in the informal political process through which our society will become what it is in the future. "A tolerant society," Scanlon writes, "is one that is democratic in its informal politics." The question, then, is what must informal politics be like to be democratic? What, exactly, is one committed to if one believes that everyone is equally entitled to participate in the informal politics that will determine what our society is like in the future? …
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“What is the virtue of tolerance and what attitude toward those who disagree with us does it require?”
Well….a tolerant attitude? It’s either that or a hypocritical one, take your pick. Unfortunately it seems that DEI people frequently choose the latter.
Much like conservative-controlled campuses and faux libertarian, hypocritical, right-wing blogs with scant academic veneer?
How about we require that the football and basketball teams represent the racial demographics of the institution?
How about the physical demographics as well -- if the average male is 5' 09" tall, then we must have a basketball team that averages 5' 09"....
We need to tell some very gifted athletes that they are too tall and too Black to play basketball. And maybe that's what we need to do to put an end to all of this...
I'm with you Dr. Ed 2!!!
The poor, white, American male...
****tear rolls down my cheek****
'We need to tell some very gifted athletes that they are too tall and too Black to play basketball.'
Well, no, YOU seem to feel the need, or the desire, to tell them, nobody else does.
Gently echoing the goal-driven definition of academic freedom of speech, the author states "Private organizations come into existence to achieve certain goals and if an organization exists to achieve a certain goal, it is not objectionably intolerant for that organization to discriminate in hiring and promotion against those who do not share this goal."
This triggers a question glossed in the essay. Has the current model of public higher education outlived its utility; that is, should each institution of higher education be considered a private organization, each not subject to funding constraints implicitly imposed by an internal or external political agenda? Should we migrate to a voucher-driven approach, giving interested students and their paying parents a far greater role in determining which institutions thrive?
"Scholarly and scientific research that improves our understanding of the world has instrumental and non-instrumental value, as does sharing this understanding with INTERESTED young people. [...] The first option — that the primary purpose of an institution is determined by the goals of its founders — seems incorrect because an institution might have been founded many years ago and its primary purpose might have changed over time in response to changing social conditions, changing values, and changing leadership. [...] [T]he second option — that the primary purpose of an institution is determined by the goals of the current leadership — also seems incorrect."
The moral questions of who decides and to what degree remain, even when we agree that the goal of an educational institution is to educate: "There is a limit to what tolerance can require of a private institution. It cannot require nondiscrimination that is incompatible with the institution achieving its primary purpose. But it can require nondiscrimination that is compatible with the institution achieving its primary purpose."
'Should we migrate to a voucher-driven approach, giving interested students and their paying parents a far greater role in determining which institutions thrive?'
Seems like a way to kill off all but the most utilitarian forms of academic scholarship.
Oh cool, someone thinks they're clever for "discovering" the paradox of tolerance. Again.
Yes. Preaching tolerance but practicing intolerance.
Of course they can simply practice what they preach, and some almost certainly do. But it seems as if too frequently they don’t.
Why? Equity should apply to everyone, else there’s no true equity. Me and you and LeBron and everybody else.
Personally, I’m looking forward to realizing my dream to be a major league middle infielder.
"Maybe basketball teams are different than many other organizations?"
Of course they are. Basketball teams play basketball. Many other organizations don't. So what?
I think it's quite natural that those who value a tolerant atmosphere won't tolerate intolerance within it. It's like fighting a war to create a peace, sometimes it makes total sense.
Nazis are always saying stuff like this, ‘you call yourselves tolerant but you won’t tolerate us.’ It doesn’t really work and the people who aren’t themselves Nazis who make it are just being smug and lazy and demanding that particular groups act like doormats.
But how do you handle disagreements over what's intolerant?
Are people who decline to use the preferred pronouns of others when speaking about them intolerant? Should be we intolerant of those people, or the people who say we shouldn't tolerate those people?
How about white people who refer to other people as "nigger" in the sense of "buddy"? Be intolerant of them, or those who think we should be intolerant of them?
You picked the wrong blog -- censorious, polemical, hypocritical, faux libertarian, viewpoint discriminatory -- at which to complain this.
I think you misunderstand my point. A basketball team has as the mission winning basketball games. But a public university might have as its mission being a place where all taxpayer groups are represented. A company might have as it's mission a sales force that looks like and can speak to its diverse customer base.
But you don’t achieve representation for all groups by beating down those with whom you disagree. Doing that achieves representation for one group and one group only.
'by beating down those with whom you disagree'
What does that even mean?
'Doing that achieves representation for one group and one group only.'
I suppose. All the people who don't think black people or gay people or women should get third level educations are sorely under-represented these days.
"Nazis are always saying stuff like this, ‘you call yourselves tolerant but you won’t tolerate us.’"
The intolerant are always saying that it's OK to be intolerant of people as long as you call them Nazis.
Pulling out the fucking Nazi bullshit.
Nige actually thinks that the people advocating free speech are Nazis and the people suppressing everything they don’t agree with are tolerant.
Reading his posts leads to the conclusion that he’s got physical brain damage.
'We can't be intolerant of Nazis because that guy with the swastika throwing the Hitler salute might not really be a Nazi.'
'Are people who decline to use the preferred pronouns of others when speaking about them intolerant'
Yes. Pretty much by definition.
Are people who try to intimidate people they don’t agree with tolerant?
"Yes. Pretty much by definition."
Really? What's your definition of intolerant?
Nobody actually thinks that except those that exist in your imagination, moron.
But since I disagree with them, real or imaginary (you wish) surely they MUST be represented, or that's just intolerance!
By ‘intimidate’ do you mean ‘stand up for themselves?’ Because a lot of the time when certain types of people stand up for themselves they tend to get labeled as aggressive.
I didn't call anyone a Nazi, I just pointed out that saying people being intolerant of the intolerant are being hypocritical falls apart as a rule under the most cursory of examination.
Are the people advocating for free speech the same people emptying books off library shelves, suppressing black scholarship and passing anti-trans legislation? I feel quite intolerant of those people, I have to admit, not sure it makes me an intolerant person or anti-free speech.
So your comments only apply to guys with swastikas throwing Hitler salutes?
Who else would it apply to? Just because all modern US Nazis are Republican voters does not mean all Republicans voters are Nazis, after all. There's lots of nasty fascist and authoritarian strains in there.
'Really?'
Yes, really. My definition definitely includes 'being a dick about pronouns.'
"Yes, really. My definition definitely includes ‘being a dick about pronouns.’"
So your definition of intolerance is just a list of shit you don't want to tolerate? I'll consider my point proven, thank you.
No, a list is not a definition. I don't have a specialised personal definition, if I want to remind myself of the actual definition I check a dictionary. Is thinking intolerant behaviour is dickish intolerance of dickishness? What are you, a supercomputer on Star Trek rendered inoperative by a simple paradox?
" if I want to remind myself of the actual definition I check a dictionary."
Yeah, me too, but I was pretty sure there was nothing in there about pronouns, contra your earlier comment. Let's double check to be sure:
"the ability or willingness to tolerate something, in particular the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with."
Now, speaking about someone using different pronouns than then that person would like doesn't meet that definition, so it sounds like you are just intolerant, and therefore shouldn't be tolerated.
How do you tolerate yourself?
‘but I was pretty sure there was nothing in there about pronouns’
It was your example, not mine. if you can’t tell the difference between a definition and the application of a definition, I don’t know what to tell you.
‘so it sounds like you are just intolerant, and therefore shouldn’t be tolerated.’
I’m not all that particularly impressed by people who are proud of their intolerance and prejudices whining about the paradox of not tolerating the intolerant. You were never that inclined to tolerate me, anyway.
'How do you tolerate yourself?'
I look at the lazy, specious, tired old argument you just trotted out and figure at least I have more self-respect than that.
"It was your example, not mine. if you can’t tell the difference between a definition and the application of a definition, I don’t know what to tell you."
Lol. You're the on that said that people who use pronouns in a way you disagree with are intolerant by definition. Maybe you don't know what that means.
But you've already made it clear that you are the intolerant one in this scenario.
True enough, I can see how that confused you, but it really just means the action fits the definition, that's all. Calling such actions intolerance is, obviously, a form of intolerance, and everyone vanishes in a puff of logic.
Wow. I see you're both intolerant and ignorant. No, saying something is intolerant by definition doesn't just mean that it fits the definition of intolerant. If that were true, there would be no need to append "by definition" to the end of your sentence.
step 1: Declare your political opponents to be “intolerant.”
step 2: Proceed to “not tolerate” them -- i.e., treat them as enemies. (After all, you’re “fighting a war”!)
Quite natural!
Yes you did. You said that Nazis advocated for free speech. The historical stupidity associated with that statement is beyond description.
And you can’t simply acknowledge that the failure to tolerate makes one intolerant.
You don’t make enough sense to even try to talk to.
No, I said that Nazis also complain that people who are intolerant of their intolerance are hypocrites.
You can't acknowledge that tolerance doesn't require someone to be a punching bag or a doormat.
It is a DUMB argument, but it ain't mine.
step 1: accurately describe the behaviour of people who strip libraries, suppress scholarship and pass laws against minorities as 'intolerant.'
step 2: oppose them
step 3: 'No YOU'RE the intolerant ones since you refuse to tolerate our intolerance!'