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WaPo Columnist Says The Quiet Part Out Loud About Attacks On The Judiciary
"A sustained campaign of condemnation isn’t going to push these judges to write liberal opinions, but it could chasten them toward more moderate ones."
For generations, the Supreme Court mostly hewed a progressive jurisprudence. Even if there were conservative blips here and there, appointees of Democratic and Republic presidents alike ruled in ways that were conducive to the political left. Litigants routinely judge-shopped cases (Amarillo has nothing on Montgomery), certain that the Supreme Court had their backs. During those golden times, judicial supremacy was considered a necessary condition of our polity.
But those times are gone. Prominent scholars openly speak out against judicial supremacy. And that academic theme carries over to the political realm. Indeed, Senator Wyden called on President Biden to "ignore" a district court's ruling. Not even Orval Faubus was so audacious. (My article on Cooper v. Aaron is more timely than ever.)
At least with the current administration, there is no realistic chance the President will "ignore" a ruling of a federal court. Indeed, Biden couldn't even stick to the script, and criticize the Supreme Court justices at the State of the Union. But sooner or later, the academic and political stars will align, and a President will openly flout a federal court judgment. Who will send in the 101st Airborne?
Until that time, there is a sustained attempt to undermine conservative judges. Superficially at least, these barbs are designed to criticize the legal justifications of their rulings. But there is a deeper purpose at play here. Perry Bacon Jr. said the quiet part out loud in his Washington Post column, titled There is only one way to rein in Republican judges: Shaming them.
So at least in the short term, there is only one real option to rein in America's overly conservative judiciary: shame.
Democratic politicians, left-leaning activist groups, newspaper editorial boards and other influential people and institutions need to start relentlessly blasting Republican-appointed judges. A sustained campaign of condemnation isn't going to push these judges to write liberal opinions, but it could chasten them toward more moderate ones.
Bacon names and shames federal judges who halted the student loan cancellation policy (Erickson, Grasz, Pittman, and Shepherd), judges in the CFPB funding case (Engelhardt, Willett, and Wilson), and judges in a recent Second Amendment case involving domestic violence restraining orders (Wilson, Ho, and Jones). We should thank Bacon for helping to assemble the next Supreme Court shortlist.
Of course, the locus of the shaming is the Supreme Court's "swing" vote, Justice Kavanaugh.
This kind of shaming has already been shown to work. . . Many of the opinions of Kavanaugh, who is now the court's swing justice, seem almost intentionally written to minimize public blowback.
I think Justice Kavanaugh is a different type of swing vote than were Justices Kennedy, O'Connor, and Powell. These jurists were truly moderate. They had liberal and conservative tendencies that often tugged them in different directions. By contrast, I think Kavanaugh is a profoundly conservative jurist, but he is often pulled to the left by public perception. His concurrences illustrate this internal struggle. Bacon agrees:
[Kavanaugh] seems to want to be respected by people across the political spectrum as a fair-minded judge. People on the left need to make clear he won't get that respect if all he does is issue opinions that align with what the Republican Party wants.
Newsflash: Kavanaugh will never gain respect from the left. Never, no matter how many concurrences he writes. The second sentence in Justice Kavanaugh's obituary will reference Dobbs and the third sentence will reference Christine Blasey Ford. His verdict is already written. It is impossible to appease these critics. Remember, virtually every piece written about Justice Thomas's 30th anniversary featured a discussion about Anita Hill.
Still, Bacon should be commended for his candor about Kavanaugh. Bacon also has the candor to admit he agrees with Trump!
In their thinking about the judiciary, Democrats should be more like Trump. While in office, Trump criticized a ruling he didn't like by casting the judge who wrote it as an "Obama judge." Roberts then issued a sanctimonious statement, "We do not have Obama judges or Trump judges, Bush judges or Clinton judges."
But at least right now, Trump is right. Roberts and his colleagues are acting like Republicans, not judges — and Democrats should say that loudly and often.
Even if Biden won't act, Bacon urges other prominent Democrats to carry the mantle:
While the president should highlight the worst rulings, he doesn't have time to attack them all. So there should be a high-profile Democratic politician in a safe seat (perhaps House Minority Leader Rep. Hakeem Jeffries of New York) who each week holds a news conference to slam the most extreme rulings by GOP judges.
And what if these attacks lead to threats and violence? So be it, Bacon writes:
There will be arguments that such high-profile criticism would put judges in physical danger. I obviously oppose violence. But judges are powerful figures setting policy — they should get as much scrutiny as elected officials. No one argues that Biden is imperiling the life of Florida Republican Rick Scott, even though the president has repeatedly named Scott while criticizing the senator's Social Security proposals.
The switchboard in Amarillo federal courthouse should record how many calls were received in the past few days from Oregon.
I'm still waiting for the Chief Justice to release a statement about Senator Wyden. These attacks will become more and more common.
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Professor Blackman : “Newsflash: Kavanaugh will never gain respect from the left.”
Kavanaugh shouldn’t get respect from anyone. Please remember, he was the most corrupt partisan hack ever to run a special counsel investigation. He spent over three years “investigating” the suicide of Vince Foster – not that far from twice the length of Mueller’s inquiry on Trump. He inherited a finished & thorough five-month investigation from Robert Fiske and added nothing to it except trivia in the margins. He later gleefully admitted he knew Foster killed himself all along.
So what did he “investigate” ? Basically, it was a continually running scam. Kavanaugh recycled dreg from the right-wing gutter press – say an Ambrose Evans-Pritchard or Christopher Ruddy printed Foster was a secret agent being blackmailed by Mossad. No doubt smirking, Kavanaugh then dispatched the FBI to run down this “theory”. Meanwhile, he leaked like a sieve right back to the people who produced the garbage in the first place. He kept this sham going for years, finding nothing of substance but serving the GOP’s end with regular headlines.
Foster’s surviving family begged him to stop what they considered a torment. Remember Kavanaugh whining about his family’s suffering over a few days of hearings? Well, he put the Foster family thru years of hell over what he knew all along was an empty farce.
Two-plus years in, he sicced the FBI on Foster’s teenage daughter for a lock of her hair. (“We have Foster’s hair,” an agent working for Mr. Kavanaugh reported in triumph.). Why? The daughter was blonde & Kavanaugh still hoped to prove Vince & Hillary had “done it”. It was one of his major investigative objectives.
Special counsel investigations have a deservedly poor reputation, but only one was a total sham from beginning to end: Kavanaugh’s. No one else holding the position has ever shown such contempt for the law.
Speaking of investigations that were revealed to be a sham from the start, the FBI investigation into Kavanaugh himself certainly qualifies.
Personally I wouldn't mind finding out about how somehow $60,000 to $200,000 (reports vary) of debut magically disappeared from Kavanaugh's finances. If there was an innocent explanation for that it is beyond me why we don't know what it was by now. This Mother Jones article seems to have a good explanation, but why does it come from them and not the person in question? https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/09/heres-the-truth-about-brett-kavanaughs-finances/
Or, since Blackman brought it up and seems to be bitter about it, what about the witnesses other than Ford that had testimony about Kavanaugh who were never interviewed. Regardless of what the FBI might have wanted, the Republicans and Trump successfully shackled them from doing any meaningful examination. People were calling in and didn't even get an interview to discredit them, let alone check out their stories. The fix was in, why bother.
As for respect, even Susan Collins was "disappointed." How much worse could it get?
Everyone knew the whole Ford episode was absurd bullshit. Even you know it.
There were no credible witnesses to interview. That's why non were interviewed.
It was actually worse than "no credible witnesses to interview": She named witnesses, and they said it didn't happen.
Not saying I agree with this strategy, but the Democrats knew that they couldn't prove what should have kept Kavanaugh from being confirmed, which is that he was committing perjury when he said he thought Roe v. Wade was settled law. (Susan Collins isn't the first woman who believed a man who told her what she wanted to hear.) So, as with Al Capone's income tax conviction, they tried to get him on what they thought might stick, which was the Ford allegations.
But I think the fact that he did perjure himself when he said he thought Roe v. Wade was settled law does disqualify him from being considered respectable.
I don't think he perjured himself. I think "settled law" just means something different at the Supreme court level than it does in the lower courts, because the Supreme court is not bound by precedent like an iron chain. They can change settled law.
Heck, that's what Roe did!
Roe did not change settled law because there was no previous case on abortion. Roe was new law. And over the course of the confirmation hearings, Kavanaugh was asked in so many different ways by so many different senators if he thought Roe was fixed that at least some of his answers were dishonest, if not outright perjurious. Certainly not within the spirit of candor.
Roe fit with the actual "history and tradition" of abortion in America.
no it didnt
Some law is settled law because there's longstanding precedent, and some is settled because there's longstanding "nobody was silly enough to claim that". For instance, it's settled law that you can't be a Senator at age 25. This doesn't require judicial precedent holding that, because the Constitution itself suffices.
Both are subject to being unsettled by the Supreme court.
You find a lack of ambiguity and an evident agreeing with your priors in lots of places in the Constitution no one else does.
It was a framework. Lots of ambiguity. Most folks see that and argue about extratextual ways to resolve said ambiguity,
One thing that is not ambiguous is that the Constitution was not created to direct our government to agree with Brett Bellmore.
"which is that he was committing perjury when he said he thought Roe v. Wade was settled law. "
Um, Roe v. Wade was settled law.
Dems want to think "settled law" means anything other than law that is currently clear.
Plessy was settled law, til it wasn't.
West VA v. Barnette is a better example.
Maybe someone should as Krychek if he thinks Buck v. Bell is settled law?
In this thread, the same clown who claims to be a lawyer yet thinks a fetus could be held liable for civil trespass if granted personhood for purposes of protecting the right to life demonstrates that he also doesn't know what "settled law" means.
Susan Collins and some other moderate Republicans attempted to evade their decision, claiming they believed Ms. Ford story but felt she was misremembering, and it was not Brett Kavanaugh who attempted the assault but some other. When I heard this, I was always struck by how people could think Ms. Ford was misremembering and not Mr. Kavanaugh misremembering.
In the end, this was a case of one person’s word against another and given the length of time that had passed, I don’t think bringing it up made any sense. It was never going to stop the confirmation and it just left ugly scars for all involved.
"When I heard this, I was always struck by how people could think Ms. Ford was misremembering and not Mr. Kavanaugh misremembering."
What struck me was how perfectly unfalsifiable the allegation was: She couldn't say where it happened, couldn't pin down when it happened even as to the year. How does that happen with an event so traumatic? "It scarred me for life, but I'm not sure what year it was."?
Easy to explain if the story was deliberately crafted to not be falsifiable. Can't prove you were someplace else at the time, without a time or place!
Then there's the matter of none of the people she said were present backing her up. Not one of them can recall anything of the sort!
I think at this point we just have to assume that anybody a Republican nominates to the Court is going to be accused of something awful, by somebody, and we'll be told we have to believe their accuser despite a lack of evidence.
In the future, the accusations will probably not involve third party witnesses -- even though we already are people trying to erase those witnesses by saying "a case of one person’s word against another".
Don't really care what you think, I want to know why Susan Collins and others would think that Ms. Ford's testimony is creditable enough to think some incident took place, but also think that she and she alone is misremembering who assaulted her.
The simple answer is CYA, but that doesn't really help resolve the issue.
Credible enough for you to feel obliged based on no evidence whatsoever to suggest that she made it up on behalf of the Democrats.
" based on no evidence"
Other than her complete and total lack of evidence coupled with contradictory statements from people she placed at the purported events.
So yeah, no evidence.
But, by all means keep tying your credibility to Blasey-Ford.
Because it was over thirty years ago. Both of them could have been telling the truth as they recall it.
Ford was credible, to me, in that I think she believed what she was saying. Kavanaugh not so much, but that's mostly because his calendar showed he lied about being part of such gatherings. Plus, I'm about the same age and from the same geographic area. What she described was common (with respect to the social gathering, not the "assault"). It's also the kind of incident which wouldn't have been described as a sexual assault back then.
A few points on Blassey Ford's credibility.
She described drinking a beer at age 15 in a manner that indicates that was routine behavior for her at that time. However, beer tastes pretty crappy until the person is slightly older, girls generally dont develop a taste for beer until they are 17 or 18 (if ever). So while that behavior may have been part of the regular social scene for a female at age 17 or 18, its very unlikely drinking beer at age 15 was routine.
As Da Nang Dick would say" Falsus in uno, Falsus in omnibus. Way too many holes in her story to be believable.
Where did you grow up? The fact is that teenagers will drink most alcohol they can get. Particularly at social gatherings. If everyone else is drinking beer so would the young Ms. Ford. Same goes for cigarettes and pot.
Mod -
how many girls were drinking beer on a routine basis at age 15
how many girls were drinking beer on a routine basis at age 17 or 18.
pretty bid increase from age 15 to age 17.
How old were you when beer no longer tasted like crap and you developed a taste for beer - For girls, its usually one or two years later than guys.
Yes there are exceptions,
Do you have any evidence for this or are you just making it up as you go along? In my day we did not have alcoholic lemonade and alcoholic sparkling water. You drank beer because that is what you had.
BTW - I drank Special Export, Korbel Brandy and Southern Comfort. The people I drank with drank for taste not for alcohol.
Evidence - seriously - common knowledge -
You are making the false assumption that because a few 15 year old teenage girls drank beer, then every 15 year old teenage girl drank beer. And that they drank beer on a routine basis. Few people like beer as early as 15. Just normally not an acquired taste until 16 or 17 for guys and later for girls.
You are the one making a blanket statement about all girls.
You are the one making assumptions.
Sarcastro – I am making a statement that is factually correct – Care to give an estimate of the percentage of 15 year old girls that you know or knew that drank beer at that age on a regular / routine basis.
Statistics do not matter when talking about an individual, as we are here.
Though your citation to common knowledge is weak as hell also.
Two defences so far: she's a Democrat agent, and taste buds.
She lied under oath about fear of flying. She lied under oath about the 2 front doors on her house. Otherwise she was a credible witness
My take is that an incident happened one or two years later involving someone else and the actual event morphed in her mind to believing it happened a few years prior involving kavanagh. Likely in her mind, she now believes it was Kavanugh. There are a few hints in her story that place the event a year or two later than what she claims.
The second point is that during the last FBI investigation, there were apparently 2 people that came forward to claim they were participated in the alleged event. The first person that came forward got too many details wrong and was believed to be a republican plant. The second person provided detailed information that matched / checked out with the known facts.
No, there are girls who drink to get drunk at even younger ages than 15, and they will drink whatever they can get. Usually it is because they are going to have sex with random guys, but I digress....
Teaching a 9th-grade Civics class, I once had a 14-year-old (she might have been 15, I didn't pull her file) proudly announce that both she and her mother had been arrested for prostitution the prior weekend.
I'll bet you didn't know it was possible to spend 35-40 minutes discussing the Third Amendment. All of the nuances and such it represented and the rest. (It was the only one I could think of that I *knew* had nothing to do with her topic, which I did *not* want to discuss -- as much as the students did...)
So I ran out the clock and then dumped it on Guidance...
"I think she believed what she was saying"
wow. Plenty of people "believe" false things.
Is Trump credible if he believes what he is saying about 2020?
"Ford was credible, to me, in that I think she believed what she was saying."
I'll remind you that she couldn't promptly travel to DC to testify because, she said, she was phobic about air travel. And yet, it was demonstrated that she flies routinely for vacations.
She also testified she'd been left so traumatized that she needed two front doors on her house so she'd have an alternate escape route. She had actually converted the house to a duplex.
My impression is that she's a bullshit artist.
Yeah, I wonder if making yourself a public target for right wing hatred and everything that goes with it exacerbates a fear of flying more or less than going on a vacation would.
your response doesnt address her lack of credibility, expecially since her supposed fear of flying pre dated her claim that she was raped.
Didn't predate her coming forward to testify about it in front of a hate machine.
Nige - you should check your facts before you comment
Short answer: it doesn't for people of average or better rationality. If you are really being hunted by right-wing death squads (or just right-wing meanies), about the safest places you could be are planes and airport lounges where everyone has been disarmed, surveillance is pervasive, and even minor verbal confrontations get an immediate response from security.
Now, to be fair, about half of people are below average. Or just into a little bit of self-dramatization.
My take: she was simply someone who (a) really, deeply did not want a fifth vote to overturn all that is holy, and (b) thinks there are values higher than telling the sober objective truth. Not very unusual, lots of people like that.
Putting herself in the line of fire for right wing hate squads + pre-existing fear of flying = heightened fear of flying due to increased anxiety. Not saying that's definitive, but it's not unlikely, either.
Sure, and if so that makes her even less credible. A person subject to generalized anxiety disorder, in which distinct evidence-based fears get blurred into an unreasoning worry about everything, is likely to be an unreliable witness. Specific to planes, there are lots of innocent people targeted because some anxious person thought that woman in the hijab was looking at her funny or that man must be trafficking the young woman sitting next to him.
Perhaps she was literally terrified that life would turn into the Handmaid’s Tale. And therefore the plane is being flown by uncaring misogynists who won’t pilot safely. And similarly, some incident, hazy in her memory, at a time and place she’d forgotten, involving a person she couldn’t place, is now recognized as an attempted rape that just happened to be committed by that person nominated to the Supreme Court.
Why didn’t she remember back when he was up for Court of Appeals? Because it wasn’t in the news and at the time she was obsessing about some completely different threat to her happiness and well-being.
We all know people like that. Not liars, really, but just easily swept along by the moral panic of the day, and inclined to fill in the details when memory fails to provide the necessary facts.
I mean, that's a pretty weird argument. Misremembering who might have attacked you is very different than misremembering whether you attacked someone at all.
I’m not sure I understand. The very article you link to shows why Kavanaugh’s explanations of his finances make sense and why the conspiracy theories don’t. What exactly do you think he or the FBI should have done differently?
Agreed, the linked article explicitly labels it a conspiracy theory and then debunks it. Guessing Orbital was googling for an article he remembered but couldn't find and figured Mother Jones would be on his side.
For those who don't want to click through: the simple explanation is that Kavanaugh has very wealthy parents who could pay off his debts whenever he asked them to.
For those who don't want to believe that: the best evidence this is a nothingburger is that Democratic senators didn't pursue it. Do you really believe they would've passed this up if it was even halfway plausible?
The problem with Vince Foster are the discrepancies in the narrative relative to both the vehicles in the park and location of the gunshot wound(s). It's either a shoddy investigation that they are trying to bully people into supporting, which I can believe, or there's a coverup.
There also is the issue of Ken Starr, who may not be as devout a Christian as he purports to be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X86tsRGJ0IM
It is a delicious irony that Kenneth Starr was removed at Baylor University for insufficient zeal in investigating sexual misconduct. https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/01/politics/ken-starr-baylor-university/index.html
Bill Clinton survived impeachment, in large part because his harshest critics (think Starr, Newt Gingrich and Tom DeLay) were loathsome.
Yes -- the Baylor incident surprised me.
At one point -- not sure about now -- an applicant for employment at Baylor had to include a letter of reference from "your pastor."
Of course, I remember Buddy Franklin. Seems the more that one claims to be a CHRISTIAN!!! the less of an actual Christian he is.
Memory is that Jesus said something about that, somewhere...
You appear to have missed the point as to why that was said. ("Kavanaugh will never gain respect from the left")
Let me see if I get this straight: The idea here is that the judges Trump appointed are conservative shills, so it's understandable that Democrats criticise them, but "we" shouldn't let them get away with it and stand up for "our" judges?
While I disagree with her, Kagan actually has a brain.
But Sodomayer & Brown are twits -- the left's version of Carswell, whom the Senate did not confirm. Yet we're supposed to respect them while our judges are being trashed?!?
concur with your assessment of Kagan - she definitely has strong intellect.
Sotomayer on the other hand, doesnt belong on the court - Ricci while on the CA2 and Shuttee are prime examples her lack of judicial temperment.
Too early to tell about Brown
Still judging Sotomayor based on a case that doesn't exist, I see.
And you still deny what she wrote in her dissent
Try to read Shuttee again.
Basically she says its unconstitutional for the voters of state to enact a state amendment requiring compliance with the 14th amendment of the US Constitution.
The 14th provides that every shall have equal protection of the laws
The michigan amendment said that everyone shall be treated equally for college admission.
Sotomayor wrote that the voters of michigan can not enact a constitutional amendment that provides for equal protection of the laws
I reiterate: there is no such case.
SCHUETTE v. BAMN
Schuette v. Coalition to Defend Affirmative Action
Oops - I got the name wrong - the merits of my statement remains valid.
Not really.
How does her (very mistaken) dissent show a lack of judicial temperament?
Hey, EV gave us a lecture about steelmanning vs strawmanning. Goes double for a Blackman article since the author's not going to make the strongest case himself.
AFAICT this article doesn't actually advocate anything. However, it's part of a long running campaiis saying that if Kavanaugh is going to get the "penalty" - shaming and personal attacks - he might as well do the "crime" - abandon any attempt to engage with opposing arguments from the left.
I'd say that's poor moral arithmetic and also poor strategy, but it's Blackman, not Kavanaugh, pushing it.
Ever since John Marshall, SCOTUS has had a historical perspective, reflecting the party that has held power in both the Presidency and Senate in the past — the President who nominates and the Senate who confirms, and until the Dems changed the rules, it took a 2/3 majority to confirm.
So you had FDR/Truman 1933-1953, Eisenhower (who appointed Earl Warren) 1953-1961, Kennedy/Johnson 1961-1969, Nixon/Ford 1969-1977, and Carter 1977-1981. Neither Eisenhower nor Nixon were really small-government types, and both were elected to end unpopular wars.
So that’s 48 years, enough time to establish a culture of leftism in the Court, and two of Nixon’s nominees were rejected by the Senate. And remember that the Court had been an issue for the Democrats since FDR in the 1930s.
And as to Reagan, he had promised to appoint a woman, and there weren't many 40 years ago, and his third choice was not only "Borked" but in the midst of Iran Contra, so we only got one judge out of him. Bush 41 gave us Thomas, but those hearings were even nastier than the Kavanough hearings.
The Federalist Society was founded in 1982, and 40 years later, there are now 6 Justices who are current and/or former members of it. The tide has *finally* turned, and there will be at least 30 years of decisions that infuriate the Progressives — the excesses of the Warren & Burger Courts will be rectified.
What needs to be remembered is that the gun rights activists have been fighting since 1969, the pro-life folks since 1974, and the Christians since 1962 — in all these cases, it is the third generation of activists that are finally seeing success. This truly has been a long march…
"The tide has *finally* turned, and there will be at least 30 years of decisions that infuriate the Progressives"
Always assuming that the Democrats don't get the White house and more than a very modest majority in both houses of Congress during those three decades. Because if they do, they'll pack the Court in a heartbeat.
That's part of the point of delegitimizing the Court: To build pressure for Court packing.
The other thing is, given the trends at law schools since the late '90s, it is going to get increasingly hard to find conservative jurists in the years to come. All the current Justices came through academia before the purge began, when conservatives may have been a minority, but were still a tolerated minority. They're not tolerated anymore at the 'elite' institutions.
Your average Supreme court Justice got their education in law perhaps 30 years prior. Lower court judges it's more like 10-20.
That means that right about now, going forward, there is going to be an increasingly severe shortage of suitable lower court candidates for conservative Presidents to nominate, and the shortage will start affecting the pool of Supreme court candidates in another 10-20 years.
So, enjoy the next decade or two, the prospects after that get pretty dismal. The Democrats really are in it for the long haul, and have largely baked in their dominance a generation from now, barring some pretty extreme efforts right now that aren't happening.
I am undecided as to whether I think adding seats to the court would be good policy. But if the Democrats do, I don't think the GOP would have anything to complain about after they rushed Amy Barrett through after denying Garland a hearing. In both cases, the parties played by the rules, which allow both the GOP to selectively use the confirmation process, and also allow Congress to increase the size of the court. The fact that in both cases, the parties tossed democratic norms to the wind for a desired political result is a separate issue from whether the rules allowed them to do what they did.
There are rules, and there are norms, and the system functioning requires both. There aren't enough rules in the Constitution to cover every way of rigging things.
It's already been pointed out that the Barrett nomination violated no norm: Presidents ALWAYS nominate somebody to fill a Supreme court vacancy, and a Senate of the same party generally acts on that nomination regardless of proximity to an election, while a Senate of the opposing party often ignores nominations close to elections. That's the way the game has been played for over two centuries now, nobody realistically expected anything else.
The contrary claim just rests on a restricted time frame and the statistics of small numbers: It hadn't happened recently, but was scarcely unprecedented.
But packing the Court, while unambiguously legal, (And the Republicans have been damned fools for not trying for an amendment to change that.) would certainly violate a genuine norm. Just as packing the January 6th committee violated a norm unbroken for a couple centuries.
Well, Congress decreased the number of seats on the Supreme Court to deprive Andrew Johnson of any appointments, so I’m not sure messing around with the number of seats on the Supreme Court is as cast-in-concrete a norm as you’re making out. True, that was a long time ago, but if you don’t like the statistics of small numbers I think we have to count it in the analysis.
And the problem with rushing Barrett through was that the GOP gave her a speeding hearing and vote — only a few months — while depriving Garland of any hearing and vote over a longer period. If they had given Garland a vote, nobody would have had anything to complain about when they did the same for Barrett. Nobody believes that bit about the Senate being of the same party was anything other than what even on its face it claimed to be — raw partisanship. Which is why the GOP now has no grounds to complain if the Democrats, for raw partisan advantage, decided to increase the size of the court.
The 7th Congress — controlled by the Democratic-Republicans — convened on March 4, 1801. John Marshall took his SCOTUS seat on February 4, 1801.
Yes, the outgoing, lame-duck Federalist Senate confirmed him — and this was *after* the election and the Federalists losing power. So this sort of thing goes all the way back to the beginning. And don’t tell me that a Democrat-controlled Senate would have given ACB a vote — they wouldn’t have.
And as to Garland, seeing what he has done as AG makes me ever so glad that we didn’t wind up with him on the court.
"Congress decreased the number of seats on the Supreme Court to deprive Andrew Johnson of any appointments,"
I believe half the country was under military occupation at the time -- this was a time when the Chief Justice wrote in his diary that he fully expected Lincoln to have him (Taney) thrown in prison. Can you see the problem with drawing precedents from this tumultuous decade?
You don’t get to talk about norms.
You argue regularly that something is legit merely because it is technically legal.
Genuine norms versus those you don’t like?! Sheesh what an openlack of intellectual integrity.
Sarcastr0, first off, get over this notion that you're entitled to tell other people what they get to talk about. It's tedious.
Secondly, if something is technically legal, it's legal, period. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to do it.
For instance, it's perfectly legal for the House and Senate to meet without advance notice, while most of the members of the majority are out of town, and hold a snap vote to pass legislation with 51% of 51% of the membership. Actually doing it on anything controversial would reduce DC to a state of open warfare, but it would be legal.
Likewise if the Democrats start refusing to allow Republicans onto the ballot on the basis of 'insurrection'; Never been done without an actual court conviction outside of Reconstruction, but they DID do it without convictions then, so it's arguably legal. But doing it without winning a civil war first seems like a good way to get a civil war.
Genuine norms are descriptions of how things have routinely been done for a long while. I object to the claim that the Trump nominations violated "norms", because the norm appealed to was fictional, you could easily look at the history of judicial nominations and see that what happened was nothing out of the ordinary.
OTOH, refusing to let the Republicans have their choice of members of the Jan. 6th committee? There was a REAL norm that the minority party got their pick of members, period, and what Pelosi did there hadn't been done before in the history of the country, so far as I know.
It was a select committee not a standing one. The speaker has always had the final say over who gets on them. And McCarthy proposed potential witnesses to be on the committee so of course they were rejected.
Kevin McCarthy proposed a slate of Republicans to serve on the January 6 Select Committee. Most of these recommendations were acceptable to Nancy Pelosi; two were not. In a fit of pique, McCarthy withdrew the entire Republican slate.
One person's fit of pique is another person's standing up for a principle. The principle here being that the minority picks the minority members. Period, end of story, that's it.
Complain all you like about their choices, and it's right back to the same point: Who the minority picks isn't up to the majority. Period.
Well, wasn't, and I hope the Democrats are now enjoying their payback.
So being obliged to put the Jewish space lasers lady and the my granny died on 9-11 guy on committees is payback, not desperation, bad for his own party and bad for the country?
No, principles and pettiness are pretty different.
Has the Speaker ever exercised that "final say" in this manner before? Yes, or no?
I'm not saying that the Speaker couldn't do it. I'm saying they never had before. In the entire history of Congress. And that doing so was a really, really bad idea.
Has the minority leader ever suggested committee members who might be witnesses to the events leading up to a coup attempt? Yes or No?
Jan 6th was unprecedented so it required an unprecedented legislative response.
It's irrelevant. Really, it is. Either the minority gets to pick it's members, or they don't. Why the majority objects to their picks is utterly irrelevant, because the minority's choices ARE the minority's choices, not the majorities.
"unprecedented so it required an unprecedented legislative response."
Very Jacobin of you, comrade.
The reasoning isn’t irrelevant. It’s never irrelevant. I mean they didn’t put the Earl of Northumberland on any committees investigating the Gunpowder Plot either.
I don’t think guarding legislative prerogative closely is particularly jacobin.
Yes. The speaker has.
Investigatory committees have been the creature of the majority since at least Clinton.
The Speaker didn't exercise final say. They were withdrawn.
The problem with Barrett’s nomination and confirmation was that it demonstrated Republican senators brazenly lied in 2016 on the senate floor and in interviews and public statements about why they wouldn’t confirm a justice under Obama. They all said something to the effect of: the American people should have a voice. Let the voters decide, etc. McConnell said it in his statement and on the floor.
Then they completely abandoned that with Barrett even though people had already started voting in the general! Voters mattered in 2016 but apparently not 2020. It’s not hypocrisy even, because 2016’s reasoning was clearly a lie. And the media let them get away with it by letting them say all this “norm” bullshit and talk about things in the 1800s. Or at worst charge them with “hypocrisy” which again didn’t exist because they were lying. They never believed the 2016 reasoning in the first place. That’s the issue. And if they’re going to lie so brazenly and in such a contemptuous way of the public I think court packing is an extremely appropriate response.
The disparate treatment by the Senate of the Scalia vacancy and the Ginsburg vacancy was Calvinball, pure and simple.
Cry more.
I mean I think most of the people crying are women and their friends and families who now have to risk dangerous births of non-viable fetuses because of this bait-and-switch.
Bullshyte!
Not only is this bullshyte but it is DANGEROUS BECAUSE WOMEN MIGHT ACTUALLY BELIEVE YOU.
A non-viable fetus is tragic, particularly to a pro-life person, but it's also septic and do you want to see just one person (fetus) die or do you want to see TWO people die -- the mother as well.
Of course not! It's tragic that she lost the child, and there is/was nothing we could do to save the child, but we can save her -- and we will! This isn't even an issue of debate.
Women don’t have to believe ME. They have to believe other wome and their doctors who are talking about this publicly. It’s happening in the open. And the right-won’t response is:
1. Willful ignorance about it, or,
2. Straight up lying about it, or
3. Knowing this and either not caring about it or the consequences.
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"Cry more" is exactly why Democrats will have no qualms about expanding the size of the court if and when they have the votes to do it. And their response to complaining Republicans will be cry more.
It’s funny to watch the tension between the CRY MORE Bob-wing of the right and the NOOOOO YOU CAN’T CRITICIZE USSSSSS Blackman-wing.
They’re both pathetic in their own unique ways. Pathetic Sociopathic Edgelord Loser vs Pathetic Dork Loser who can’t understand why people not only don’t like him but why he isn’t getting the praise he deserves.
What Bob doesn't grasp is that the GOP will not always be in power. At some point the pendulum will swing. And one of the reason norms exist in the first place is as a check on revenge. Once the Democrats do have power again, does Bob want them treating Republicans the way the GOP has been treating the Democrats? If the Democrats do, the GOP will not be able to appeal to democratic norms because they've already trashed them.
"What Bob doesn’t grasp is that the GOP will not always be in power."
I certainly do grasp that. Its just not a serious threat. The point of power is to do things while you have it, it can't be conserved. Dems know this, they are constantly pushing when they have it.
"And one of the reason norms exist in the first place is as a check on revenge."
Maybe you can explain this to the Democrats, since they're the ones who keep breaking norms here, and having it blow up in their faces, over and over?
To the extent Dems have broken norms it has not blown up in their faces. At all. They had the best midterm performance with an incumbent president in awhile. Because Republicans look and act like extremist weirdos.
"why Democrats will have no qualms about expanding the size of the court if and when they have the votes to do it. "
Do it. I'm all for reducing the power and prestige of the our black robe masters.
Right now, for the first time since the New Deal, there is a conservative majority willing to act [a little]. I'm enjoying it but I would rather have the court have no such power. Judicial review by the the Supreme Court has been bad for the country.
Still mad about Brown v. Board of Education, eh?
If you are implying that Bob from Ohio is a bigot, I fault you for that implication.
The proper course is to declare without qualification that Bob from Ohio is a bigot. A deplorable gay-bashing, racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, Islamophobic right-wing bigot from America's can't-keep-up, ready-for-replacement backwaters.
None of that is a problem replacement will not solve, though.
And then the Republicans expand it more.
I think some of the saner Democrats understand this....
That's why it's not going to happen unless the Democrats get a more than very modest majority. They're going to lose at least SOME votes when they try that, they know it, so they're not going to try it until they're fairly confident they can prevail even with a few of their members voting against it.
That's politics. Live with it.
The point of politics is you don’t have to live with it though.
"The problem with Barrett’s nomination and confirmation was that it demonstrated Republican senators brazenly lied in 2016 on the senate floor and in interviews and public statements about why they wouldn’t confirm a justice under Obama. "
Yeah, I'm not going to argue with that. Brazen lying by members of Congress is SOP. All I'd argue is that what they did wasn't unprecedented.
You are not denying it, but you are normalizing it.
He has to, he's a Trump voter.
You get trolled so easily by Brett.
Except for trying to get the last word, what did your comment accomplish?
Brett is many things, but he is not a troll.
I pointed out the upshot of his argument is no different than denial of the facts.
I'm not normalizing it, I'm pointing out that it's ALREADY normal. It was over a century ago that Mark Twain wrote that Congress was America's only native criminal class. They've had a reputation for being liars and scoundrels for most of the nation's history!
But all the lying about it doesn't change that they were following the norm, not violating it. The lying about it was following the norm, too!
Citing Mark Twain being a cynical wag to normalize turning in a dime on Supreme Court nominee norms is taking the general an using it to defend the specific,
One clue it was not normal is how dramatic a deal it was both times the Republicans acted - on Garland and then on Barrett. I seem to recall even hi got into the norms are meant to be broken game,
You are doing work to normalize something that was not previously normal. That is what you are doing. Norms do change with the times, but don’t deny your own agency here.
Sarcastro -
You might actually try to cross check historical facts. How many times has the senate acted on a SC nomination in an election year when the opposition party controls the senate.
Yes I recall that myopic focus on that irrelevant fact as one of the many lame attempts to pretend refusing to even have a vote was some normal act.
Not many were fooled. Except you I guess.
Sarcastro – Again you might actually check your facts with actual history.
You have to deny that relevant fact in order to claim the republicans changed the norms. Intellectual honesty is not your strong suit
Actual history is irrelevant to the imagined arguments they're presenting.
Is not getting a vote at all the most common way for a SCOTUS nominee to fail? Yes.
Has the majority party in the Senate delayed acting on a SCOTUS nomination by the opposing party's President leading up to an election, in hopes they would win the Presidency? Yes, dating back almost 200 years.
Have politicians lied about their motives for their actions? Yes, for all of eternity. Go read about the Greeks and the Romans, and be amazed at the blatant shit they pulled that even today's politicians would be embarrassed by.
I take issue with your premise of that fact being relevant. It is a deliberately tailored scope that does not address the always followed norm of actually considering nominees.
No one bought it; partisans used it for lack of an actual argument and not wanting to say ‘because we can. Fuck you.’
And yet here you are trying to squeeze a point out of that stone.
Not getting a vote is not the same as refusing to consider, Toranth,
I missed it, Sarcastro, but how is refusing to vote on a nomination different from refusing to vote on a nomination?
Do you think there's some sort of legal or historical significance to people 150 years later using the terms "refuse to consider" vs "refuse to vote"?
Your position is elementary-school level sophistry. Democrats in the early 19th century refused to vote on certain SCOTUS nominations because they wanted their party to win the Presidency and get the nomination. Republicans in the early 21st century refused to vote on certain SCOTUS nominations because they wanted their party to win the Presidency and get the nomination.
It was the same thing, as anyone with even a portion of a brain can see.
I don't want conservative judges who clamp down on social issues.
Out of the bedrooms and out of the wallets. Both parties fail spectacularly in one way.
"The other thing is, given the trends at law schools since the late ’90s, it is going to get increasingly hard to find conservative jurists in the years to come. All the current Justices came through academia before the purge began, when conservatives may have been a minority, but were still a tolerated minority. They’re not tolerated anymore at the ‘elite’ institutions."
Yes, but you're making two assumptions here -- that future Justices will come from said "elite" institutions, and that they actually will be law school grads. I don't.
First, John Marshall never went to law school -- of the 114 Justices appointed to the Court, only 49 had law degrees. Many (not all) Federal judges start out on the state bench, all start out as a state-licensed lawyer -- and states are free to set whatever licensing criteria they please.
The leftist shift of academia is not going over well in Middle America and while DeSantis is perhaps the most visible, other states are also chipping away at the Ivory Tower.
Law school is seen as obscenely expensive, increasingly unnecessary in the era of Google, and openly hostile to anyone to the political right of Vladimir Lenin. I can see Red States starting to simply say "no mas" and either going back to accepting the apprenticeship system, or simply *requiring* it.
Remember that law schools as we know them today came out of an effort a century ago by the ABA to reduce the number of licensed lawyers so as to increase their income -- and it worked. Remember too that at least a third of the law school curriculum circa 1970 was learning how to look things up in the library, the key notes, Shepardizing, and the rest -- all now unnecessary.
It is the states who set the criteria for state judges -- and either appoint or elect to their benches. Historically, a lot of Federal judges have come from state courts, and the home state's Senators have a lot of say in who is appointed to that state's Federal district court(s).
Is it conceivable that we could have Federal judges who didn't go to law school -- yes. Is it likely? I don't know, and it depends on how far this plague of leftism goes in law schools.
Second, you are also presuming that Justices will continue to come from the "elite" law schools, e.g. Harvard & Yale. But look at what several judges said about refusing clerks from Yale -- and my guess is that there are a lot more quietly doing that without saying anything. So they're not getting into the pipeline and hence other people are -- and it's those who are in the pipeline who are available to be nominated.
The purge is problematic -- more on the level of legal representation than anything else -- and while the number of law school grads each year has declined from 46,776 a decade ago to 35,287 in 2021, that's still a very large population. They can't *all* be Marxists....
I’m skeptical that you actually believe this, but if so it’s yet another illustration of your ignorance.
There will never be so much as a single federal judge without a law degree in your lifetime.
25 years ago, you could have added “or President impeached” and yet that has happened thrice since then. (Remember that Johnson was from a Confederate state.)
40 years ago, SCOTUS was a Protestant institution — there had been a grand total of six Catholics (starting with Roger Taney) and five Jews (starting with Louis Brandeis) — and today the entire court is either Catholic* or Jewish.
And the truck or bus of today has a capacity larger (and GVW heavier) than the narrow gauge railcar of a century ago.
Federal judges may still have “law degrees” but that doesn’t inherently mean that they will inherently come from existing institutions, or ones that even resemble the institutions that exist today.
And who knows — maybe the Federalist Society will start founding its own law schools — the Catholics did, and Justice ACB is the product of such an institution.
*Gorsuch was raised Catholic.
I think the Federalist society very well may start founding its own law schools. But it's a bit late in the game to start doing that, frankly. That's the sort of thing they should have started doing 20 years ago, when the purges started. Now they're inevitably going to see a decade or more when the supply of right-wing judicial candidates is extremely skimpy, even if they open those schools tomorrow.
Further, the left does NOT tolerate alternative institutions once they've captured the existing ones. Those new law schools, (And don't stop at just law schools!) will be under attack from day one.
Dr. Ed 2, it never took a 2/3 majority to confirm federal judges -- a majority of those present and voting was necessary. In 2013 the Senate, led by Harry Reid, adopted the rule that cutting off debate for lower federal court confirmations required only a simple majority. In 2017 the Senate, led by Mitch McConnell, extended that rule to SCOTUS nominees.
Ackshooally...
And he's a fucking racist too. Just wait till you see him break out the racial slurs down below.
Do you have anything other than ad hominem?
I make no apology for expressing contempt for Clarence Thomas -- a virulent critic of race based affirmative action except when he is the beneficiary thereof.
It's not an argument. You're just a fucking racist.
In any other situation, accusations of racism would be questioned, mocked, derided and dismissed by the right. In this specific example, and one or two others, Black Lives suddenly Matter.
It's a variation on the old trope, "Some of my best friends are black!"
You are very comfortable using racist tropes, you fucking racist.
Do you claim that Clarence Thomas should be immune from criticism because of his skin color? Never mind that he is a marginally qualified buffoon who was never fit to carry Thurgood Marshall's briefcase? (I am sorely tempted to say that Thomas was unfit to shine Marshall's shoes, but that would indeed have ugly racial overtones.)
I am surprised to hear that there is a racist trope that you won't use. Though you managed to use it anyway, you fucking racist.
It is no secret to anyone who follows these threads that I despise Clarence Thomas -- not because he is black, but because he is implacably hostile to individual liberties, and because he is in a job for which he has never been remotely qualified. Every step of his career has seen him toadying to powerful Republicans. To suggest that he climbed the ladder based on merit is laughable.
You and other critics have no substantive response to my criticisms of the man, so you yap and yammer and glibly accuse me of racism. That says far more about you than about me.
Racial slurs are not criticisms. You are a fucking racist and can't tell the difference.
Mulched, positing a canard multiple times does not make it true by virtue of constant repetition. Genuflect to Clarence Thomas to your heart's content. As Governor Al Smith observed, no matter how thin you slice it, it's still baloney.
I’ll call you out for it as often as you do it. Since you haven’t used a racial slur in your last few posts, my work here is done. You do it again, I’ll call you out again, you fucking racist.
The fucking right-racists I've already blocked, but you, you’ve got potential.
Is Professor Volokh a racist, mulched? Surprise me by exhibiting the courage and character needed to answer that question.
I figure you are far too pusillanimous to do anything but avoid the question.
I keep all of Art's comments in a little grey box, like the treasures they are.
Ummm -- 2/3 for cloture vote?
You forgot to mention the 1986 Senate hearings on Rehnquist's nomination for Chief Justice...this is where the Dems tried out their defamation attacks. You had Ohio Senator Howard Metzenbaum accusing Rehnquist of being anti-Semitic because houses he purchased in the 50s and 60s had restrictive covenants opposing sale of the houses to Jews. Never mind that such covenants were void ab initio since the late 40s, some Dems took that seriously. Alan Dershowitz still hates Rehnquist for that (he wrote a nasty obituary after the man died).
It was a disgraceful display in the Senate and it was a dry run for what happened with Robert Bork.
No, Darth Buckeye, racially restrictive covenants are not void ab initio. "[T]he restrictive agreements, standing alone, cannot be regarded as violative of any rights guaranteed to petitioners by the Fourteenth Amendment. So long as the purposes of those agreements are effectuated by voluntary adherence to their terms, it would appear clear that there has been no action by the State, and the provisions of the Amendment have not been violated." Shelley v. Kraemer, 334 U.S. 1, 13 (1948).
Judicial enforcement of such covenants by state courts, however, is state action for purposes of the Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection Clause. Id., at 20.
Which is to say, that they are void as far as having any legal force, Rehnquist was perfectly free to just ignore the covenants. Why should he, then, have paid any attention to them at all?
Void doesn't mean what you seem to think it means, Brett.
Ackshooally...
I've tried to post this comment twice, but despite the fact that there are no links in it at all, it hasn't gone through:
What on earth is Dr. Ed talking about? "Only got one"? Reagan appointed three justices. (And elevated a fourth to Chief Justice.)
"So there should be a high-profile Democratic politician in a safe seat (perhaps House Minority Leader Rep. Hakeem Jeffries of New York) who each week holds a news conference to slam the most extreme rulings by GOP judges."
Yes, have a BLACK, NEW YORK CITY, Democrat bash Middle America's judges. Has anyone thought about the optics of this???
And what does the Bar say about "slam[ming]" judicial rulings? (Remember that Jeffries is an attorney...)
Pretty sure that, soon, the Bar will say, "You haven't been slamming judicial rulings lately, that looks to us like you have an ethical problem, do you need to be disbarred?"
Out of court criticism -- even strident criticism -- of judicial rulings is fully protected speech under the First Amendment. Imposition of professional discipline must comport with First Amendment guaranties of free expression.
"At the very least, our cases recognize that disciplinary rules governing the legal profession cannot punish activity protected by the First Amendment, and that First Amendment protection survives even when the attorney violates a disciplinary rule he swore to obey when admitted to the practice of law." Gentile v. State Bar of Nevada, 501 U.S. 1030, 1054 (1991).
Ed, the number of people that care about the black thing are quite small, and all already committed to the GOP. The optics are the usual partisan ones.
It's the second adjective that people will care about.
Anyone who is anti urban is likewise deep into the right wing narrative.
The urban rural divide is not so stark as you believe. The civil war you keep predicting is not going to manifest,
Why exactly do you feel like "Middle America" would react more negatively to criticism from a black (or even BLACK) person?
I don’t think this plan is going to work. The Washington Post is already seen as being “left of the Left”, so of course they are going to output an unending stream of negative press and opinions about judges they don’t like.
This seems like a dunce move, in my opinion. They won’t sway anyone who isn’t already in their stew pot, and those on the fence will probably be repelled. It’s going to have an opposite effect overall is my guess.
I was livid at the embarrassingly unprofessional treatment of Kavanaugh at his Senate hearing. It literally made me ashamed for my country. Don’t bother arguing details with me! The details matter not when the process is unfair. Even in a game of sports you aren’t allowed to keep playing when there is rampant cheating going on.
I still get heated to this day just remembering that horrible time. And I doubt I’m the only one. So, you “prominent scholars”, carry on with your stupid plans. The Washington Post stands ready to lap it up.
Just don’t be surprised when the push back comes. Hard.
I feel the same way about the 1986 Rehnquist hearings. That is the real point when the Dems changed the rules...not the Bork hearings a few years later.
Bork would likely have made it anyway, were it not for the fact that he'd alienated a lot of Republicans, too.
This is the quiet part you're not supposed to say outloud.
There has always been a fundamental and deep rooted conflict in U.S. jurisprudence. On one hand, the court is supposed to interpret the law regardless of "public opinion." On the other hand, the court is very concerned with its "legitimacy," which is what the public thinks about it and its rulings, and how "legitimacy" differs (if at all) from "public opinion" is uncertain and debatable.
Put another way, the court is, according to theory, supposed to rule "damned the public opinion." Fiat justitia ruat caelum. Yet, on the other hand, if it is to have 'legitimacy' it needs to, in general, not act too contrary to public opinion. "Necessity hath no law" and it is necessary for the court to retain the nebulous 'legitimacy' that is intricately linked with 'public opinion.'
In theory, judges don't care about public opinion or elections. But over a hundred years ago Mr. Dooley commented that "no matter whether the constitution follows the flag or not, the Supreme Court follows the election returns." Similarly, no matter whether the law follows public opinion or not, the Supreme Court follows public opinion -- even if only at a distance, and very ambiguously, in the name of keeping its 'legitimacy.'
If the court really doesn't care what people say, the people saying things shouldn't make any difference to the court. The fact that people DO say things to influence the court indicates that they think the court will respond, never mind its insistence that it isn't paying any attention.
Playing the public to influence judges is a practice as old as law. Which indicates that there is probably something to it.....
Love the proverbs, thanks for those! Without taking anything away from what you said, I would add that the Law is a technical pursuit, and therefore the Courts cannot just render any decision they want to, they have to render one that fits the technical requirements. Judgments that aren’t rooted eventually get rooted out.
In the software world that I come from, we have a similar effect. You can temporarily make any change you want to, but if it’s not rooted in the fundamentals, it will cause problems, require special handling, more expensive care and maintenance, testing, and so forth. At some point, it gets pitched.
The Law is like that, too. The public may say it wants something, but if it doesn’t fit into the framework strongly, it won’t last. Dobbs is an excellent example. Even if it takes 50 years (in software, too!), once the pain exceeds the cost of replacement, out it goes. People are pretty practical.
In the technical world, that is not really true; complexity with all its costs has usually not receded.
CISC processors gave way to RISC processors, not because of the complexity but because gains in performance from pipelining could only be realized with simpler instruction sets. The large languages of the 1960s like PL/I and Algol 68 gave way to smaller languages like C and Pascal in the 1970s because smaller computers became common, and even though a language like C with its rampant aliasing is very hard to compile to efficient programs, still it persists. And very old COBOL and deprecated features persist because the code base is too big.
In the law, "not fitting into the framework" seems unlikely to explain changes, as the framework and fundamentals are pretty much what five justices say they are.
At the lowest levels, law is perhaps a "technical pursuit".
At the highest levels, it's obviously an exercise in creative writing.
"Yet, on the other hand, if it is to have ‘legitimacy’ it needs to, in general, not act too contrary to public opinion."
Not quite. What legitimacy requires is that the public see the judiciary's actions as reasonably defensible. They'll accept adverse rulings if they look like they're actually based on the law.
The problem is that, at this point, "I don't agree, but I see how you got there." is basically only a thing on the right. On the left, legitimacy consists entirely of arriving at the 'correct' end result.
That's built into living constitutionalism, which despite protests, is really just about rationalizing a left-wing outcome, and nothing more. I mean, when have you EVER seen a self-described living constitutionalist say, "I don't like it, but the Constitution HAS evolved in this conservative direction."?
"They’ll accept adverse rulings if they look like they’re actually based on the law."
I'll have to disagree about that. While, in some cases, "people" (speaking generally) will defer to the Court's legal wisdom, on most issues that are important to them, most people will attack the court if it rules contrary to their interest. In theory the public should respect an 'honest court' that hews to the law, but in reality 'the public' does not know (or even care) about the law, but only the fact that the Court ruled against their interests as they understand them (and they might not understand their own interests, at that).
In theory, people will 'respect' and vote for politicians who are willing to oppose "the people" if it is in the interest of the 'greater good' or to follow the law. Just ask anyone running for office how that works out for them.... Same with judges. "Respect for the law" is the mantra, but when they rule against you, it is they (and not you) who has no respect for the law.
Likewise, in the oldie days it used to be the mantra that "It isn't whether you win or lose, but how you play the game." But what people want, even more than 'fair play' or 'good sportsmanship,' is winning. Now we've got deflated footballs, stolen signs, athletes being paid off, etc. etc. and no one bats an eyelash. Back in the day the "Fainting Irish" was a controversy. Now such acts are barely a blip on Sports Center, and indeed players and coaches are celebrated as long as they win (i.e. get away with it).
Same as it ever was...
Decisions "both ways" are met with endless talking heads informing the public the nation is ruined now.
The SC doesn't have a legitimacy problem. It has a media assisting the power hungry problem.
This "legitimacy" problem seems in context of how should we rule so as to minimize talking head hatred "education".
Legitimizing breaks from current jurisprudence has been the political project of originalism. And it works okay for now at least.
But Brett, you don’t think any rulings you dislike are based on law…
There's a fundamental difference between breaking from current jurisprudence to go to a position that's more defensible in terms of actual constitutional text, and breaking from it to go to a position that's less defensible.
"But Brett, you don’t think any rulings you dislike are based on law…"
There are parts of the Constitution I don't like, and I'm quite frank about that. But I'll never complain if the Court upholds parts of the Constitution I dislike, because that's their job: Upholding the Constitution, warts and all.
I’m not talking about the Constitution. Just about every decision that doesn’t align with the GOP platform you declare illegitimate.
“ But I’ll never complain if the Court upholds parts of the Constitution I dislike.”
HAHAHA oh wait you’re serious let me laugh even harder HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You are unbelievably full of shit.
Your general argument is that you and you alone are the ultimate authority on what the Constitution means, and you reject any decision that doesn't fit the Bellmore Constitution.
Plus what Sarcastro said.
That’s not really responsive to Sarcastr0’s critique. He’s not saying you always think the constitution encodes your policy preferences: he’s saying that when a court reaches a different conclusion than you about what the constitution means, you reflexively accuse them of not only being wrong, but of understanding that they’re wrong and you’re right, and thus of deliberately trying to subvert the constitution.
To put it another way: what’s a good example of a constitutional case that you think is wrong, but that you accept as “legitimate” because it’s “reasonably defensible”?
On the left, legitimacy consists entirely of arriving at the ‘correct’ end result.
The usual "bad faith" bullshit from Brett.
This from a guy who was, laughably, was recently criticizing his opponents for not recognizing that RW arguments might be made in good faith.
Joke’s on Perry Bacon, Jr.. There hasn’t been a conservative who has the capacity for shame for over three decades now.
The Republicans are slow to pick up on Democratic strategies. We've discussed many times.
What are you talking about Republicans endlessly blame Dems for forcing them to do bad shit, or if the bad shit is thus far sui generis, lie to create false equivalences which imply it's unfair to hold them accountable.
Back in what Blackman derisively calls the "golden era," Republicans made worse comments about judges. Senator Eastland, referring to Brown v. Board of Education, said: "the South will not abide by nor obey this legislative decision by a political body.” Senator Harry Byrd said, ""If we can organize the Southern States for massive resistance to [Brown] I think that, in time, the rest of the country will realize that racial integration is not going to be accepted in the South.” Engel v. Vitale, which prohibited public schools from requiring students to recite a morning prayer, provoked an equally furious response -- many states initially refused to obey it. These kinds of reactions to decisions in politically charged cases are par for the course, and if the judges can't stand the heat they should get out of the kitchen. When a President or perhaps a party leader in Congress makes inappropriate comments about the court (e.g., when Trump spoke of "Trump judges"), a response from the Chief Justice is appropriate. Otherwise, the court can and should ignore it; it's politics as usual.
And before someone points it out, yes, I forgot that Eastland and Byrd were Southern Democrats. I should have said "Conservatives," not "Republicans."
That's hilarious. The real conclusion is that Democrats have had the same script about judges for the entire time.
Well, in the sense that they were "conserving" Jim Crow, I suppose.
What this really underscores is that the Democratic party has always been the party of racial preferences; It was all they knew, so when the civil rights movement looked like it was going to prevail, they just switched client races, instead of abandoning racial discrimination.
Which, sadly, outbid the Republicans, who merely offered legal equality, not preferences.
It is nice to suggest that Republican offer legal equality, but it is hard to see that in practice. What you see as preferences, I see as a request to ask people to step back and take a hard look. When I worked and was hiring someone my HR did not tell me who to hire but ask me to be sure that I gave everyone an equal chance. In Superbowl 57 was celebrated for having two black quarterbacks. How long did it take for people to realize that black men could even play quarterback? The fact is that Republicans took advantage of the Civil Rights movement to take in the disaffected southern Democrats and allowed racism to fester in their ranks. To the point that many Republicans thought Barrack Obama was not a citizen, just as the Supreme Court ruled in Dredd Scott (1857), that African Americans were not citizens.
What you're describing is the bait and switch on affirmative action. Executive order 10925, by Kennedy, introduced "Affirmative Action": “take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and that employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color or national origin.”
Not affirmative action to advance minorities, affirmative action to refrain from discrimination. This was the motte, highly defensible; Who could object to refraining from discrimination?
LBJ, with EO 11246, introduced the bailey: “We seek not just freedom but opportunity. We seek not just legal equity but human ability, not just equality as a right and a theory but equality as a fact and equality as a result.” The bailey was equality of outcomes, even if achieving it required inequality of treatment.
That's what people understand affirmative action to refer to, today: Racial discrimination in favor of minorities. But every time it's attacked, they retreat to the motte, non-discrimination.
Some EOs language is not making the case here.
No one thought affirmative action was about being colorblind. There was no switch, just another made up fact to get at a policy you don’t like.
The EO introducing it literally demanded colorblindness. There absolutely was a switch between Kennedy and LBJ, from equality of treatment, to equality of results.
Do you think anyone saw LBJ EO thought it was about color blindness??
No, it was about racial discrimination in favor of minorities.
That's what I've been saying: The Democrats have been in the business of providing client races with discriminatory preferences their entire existence as a party, all that happened is that they swapped client races.
Yeah, that’s question begging.
Your usual thing you don’t like isn’t just morally questionable, but everyone agrees with you and is lying about it.
No, dude.
‘client races with discriminatory preferences’
From one of the most murderous and opressive anti-black racist regimes in history, short only of chattel slavery, inspiration for Hitler himself, to helping black people get into college, apparently.
Yeah, it was "nothing personal" with them, they'll violate the 14th amendment for anybody, they don't care.
Oh, I think the differences are both instructive and meaningful.
5 votes. Twice. Original practice. Sociological studies. Textual analysis.
All nothing but bad faith towards Dems getting blacks as a client race.
Only Brett is brave enough to say the truth we all know.
What it really underscores, Brett, is that there is a long history on the right of criticizing and rejecting court decisions it didn't like.
“they just switched client races.”
Wow. You are an incredibly stupid person.
The Bell Curve is right, and the blacks are a client race of Democrats.
Truly, it is the Dems who have a race problem.
It was the right wing conservative party of the time. Of course the people who supported, or would have supported, Jim Crow oppose racial equality and justice now, what else would they be doing?
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/06/correction-the-segregationists-were-democrats.php
Pathetic.
I am proud of my political party's having repudiated a sordid history of countenancing racism. Are you proud of how eagerly your party stepped into the breach?
As your anti-black racial slurs make clear, you have not repudiated racism at all.
Uh, contempt for the House Negro Clarence Thomas hardly equates to racism.
You didn't repudiate racism, you just pointed it in a different direction.
The post in which not guilty confirms that he is indeed a fuckinng racist.
Wrong. I have pointed criticisms of one black man, for reasons unrelated to race. That does not evince racism at all, except perhaps to those who have no substantive response.
Southern folk wisdom holds that the hit dog hollers.
You made racial slurs, not pointed criticisms. Because you're a fucking racist.
re: "I should have said 'Conservatives'"
I found the following two essays (and the responses to each) very interesting:
https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/civil-rights-and-the-conservative-movement/
https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/civil-rights-and-the-conservative-soul/
Here's my unsophisticated take:
"Liberals" (or, rather, leftist scum who "avail themselves of the political advantages of professing to" be liberals) accuse libertarians and conservatives of merely "professing to believe" in constitutional rights / freedoms, limited government, federalism / states' rights, etc. In reality, they say, we are just plain old racists; everything else is just window dressing.
It's bullshit, of course. The idea that our driving political motivation is a desire to harm blacks is utterly ridiculous. (Do you really see Ayn Rand thinking: "I am fine with government oppressing people, as long as it's black people!")
I'd counter that even leftists themselves don't give a shit about blacks. What they really care about is the elimination of our constitutional rights / freedoms, limits on government, federalism / states' rights, etc. Blacks just happen to be a useful "wedge" to accomplish this. (In Russia, were there weren't any blacks, they used "workers & peasants" instead. Of course, once they took over, workers & peasants got badly shafted (along with everyone else).)
'(Do you really see Ayn Rand thinking: “I am fine with government oppressing people, as long as it’s black people!”)'
Oh no. I see her thinking, like almost every libertaran I've ever encountered, that there really is no such thing as racism until a white person is inconvenienced.
Political parties are giant memeplexes, collections of memes AKA ideas, designed to use persuasion to gain a critical mass to seize the brass ring of power.
At that point, they no longer need rely on persuasion, but CAN MAKE YOU DO WHAT THEY WANT RARRRRRRRRR! Grrrr!
Anywaydles, until people recognize this as the source of the problem, it's never gonna get better.
You rail against human nature when it comes to political parties and government, but worship it when it comes to markets.
Our Founders knew the key was to set different systems with different incentives against one another, not to embrace one as the pure moral center and all others as some pathology.
The longer term problem I see here is the deliberate degradation of the legitimacy of the judicial branch. That is very dangerous. That deliberate degradation I see is one of the reasons I come here to VC; the law is the last bastion of defense for our individual liberties (i.e. free speech, free exercise of religion, free from warrantless government surveillance, etc). Take away the law, and what are we?
I see VC is a 'temperature check' of the overall state of the law in America. There is a good diversity of viewpoint in the judiciary (esp circuit courts), and on balance, that is a healthy thing. I do think the temperature is quite hot in legal academia; boiling now.
I am glad there are still those willing to duke it out in the courts and defend our individual liberties. Professors Blackman and Volokh actually have, and have scored important wins in defense of our individual rights. They're doing it (winning cases), and they're doing it at the right place (in the court).
VC is a number of things. Anything like the general temperature of the judiciary it is not.
And Blackman is absolutely not one to watch on this.
Like when?
Wouldn't be equally possible it will just cause them to dig their heels in even further?
Maybe we need a gut check on how perceptions of legitimacy could be improved.
I would be content with a court that:
1. Considered cases or controversies, not cherry picked issues announced for briefing in advance.
2. Did not announce to the public politically-charged issues which justices announcing them would like to take a crack at sometime soon.
3. Refused to make up nonsense, "facts" to decide cases with, especially when those appeared nowhere in the record of the case before the court.
4. Had justices who understood that originalism requires accurate history, and that justices themselves cannot be the historians.
5. Had justices who refused to lend publicly their names and prestige to politically partisan causes sponsored by politically partisan organizations.
6. Did not add to any case before the court any point for decision which had not been argued previously in the lower courts.
7. Did not feel at liberty to make up from scratch principles for decision which no one had asked for, and which no one had ever seen previously.
8. Never asserted a power to bypass precedent at will, without a convincing show of legal or social change to justify doing it.
9. Recognized that social issues newly arisen, and legally unprecedented, deserve enhanced deference to the political branches, at least until the dust of initial controversy has had a half-century or more to settle, and political remedies have had opportunity to sort policy out by experiment.
10. Was willing to enforce separation of church and state.
11. Was willing to announce that during the course of government novel emergencies may arise, to threaten the lives of the citizens, or the survival of the nation, and when that happens the right judicial response is likely to be: this emergency has to be managed by either the political branches, or by us, and it cannot be us.
12. Understood that the Court itself is not even approximately sovereign; and that only the American People themselves are sovereign, and are thus the final authorities on what the Court may and may not do.
Gotta differ with you on 12. Only the Constitution is sovereign, and the USSC is the highest body to interpret it. Even the people are bound by that and it is not subject to interpretation or revision by popular will or sentiment.
Currentsitguy — The sovereign People are not bound in the slightest by the Constitution. It is their decree, announced by them at their pleasure. They remain free to demand its enforcement, free to amend it formally by its own terms, free to amend it informally by any means they can manage, free to simply ignore it, or free to abolish it and proceed otherwise, according to this founding principle announced in the Declaration of Independence:
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Sovereign power is defined by ability to act at pleasure, without constraints. What principle of constraint do you see in the quote above? There is none. That breathtaking assertion of freedom to act at pleasure—and subsequent proof of power sufficient to defend it—is what established the United States as a new sovereign, with power to act on par with any other in the world.
When the founders did that, they knew exactly what they were about. They understood that whatever has power to constrain an alleged sovereign, even slightly, becomes on that basis at least a rival for sovereignty, if not already an actual replacement.
Your critique would necessarily result not in sovereignty for the Constitution, as you suggest, but for the Supreme Court—which on that basis would become an all-purpose fount of constraint on everyone. That would stand American constitutionalism on its head.
That would imply the Rights enshrined in the Bill of Rights are subject the the whims of popular will and are just a Court Decision or Amendment away from alteration or outright abolition. That could not be further from the truth.
Rights are Inherent and are not subject to the will of any person or body.
Rights are Inherent and are not subject to the will of any person or body.
Currentsitguy — Maybe you ought to think that through. A right is a power delegated to an individual, enabling him to stay the hand of government.
Absent government, what could it even mean to say a right existed? I suppose it could be an expression of religious belief, lacking agency for want of any object to influence. But that aside, where do you suppose the power to stay the hand of government comes from? It is not a power inherent in the person claiming the right. If he had that power, he would have no need of a right.
To protect himself against government abuse, a person has need of access to power greater than his own, and greater than government's. Where is any such power to be found? Only in the hands of a sovereign with absolute power, and a willingness to exercise it on behalf of the rights holder, against a government which the sovereign controls.
That's the way it is in the real world. If you check back with the folks who tell you about inherent rights, you will invariably discover that to vindicate those you can look to God almighty, and no one else.
Good luck with that. It refers to a time when nations did not yet really exist. God was then an earthly presence embodied in vast, government-sized organizations of people and property called religions. A claim of inherent rights then might have expected some practical resort to those earthly resources, while paradoxically being termed a Godly intervention. That time is long gone, with the political power of religions now supplanted by nation states, and the paradoxes laid to rest.
The founders had a better idea—more up-to-date—and you would be wise to follow their lead. Rights holders' appeals to powers which no longer exist will not fall even on deaf ears. They will fall on no ears at all.
"The sovereign People are not bound in the slightest by the Constitution. It is their decree, announced by them at their pleasure."
Indeed, they can exercise their 2nd A right rights, take up their guns, and start the Revolution.
Nico, good point, except that the revolution was not started with guns. It was started with petitions and newspapers.
Yes, it started with petititions and newspapers. Stage 2, the British response, was a crackdown on freedom of speech and the press. Stage 3 was colonists escalating by amassing arms and engaging in more blatant acts of defiance. Stage 4 was Lexington and Concord.
What stage do you think we're at now?
All good thoughts. It would be nice for all Judges and Justices to step back from politics as they rise in the ranks of our court system. No Supreme Court justice should attend political events. They can speak at law conferences or colleges, but skip the political conferences. If they see politicians in their private lives keep it private. And while it is not always fair, they should ask their spouses to also be politically neutral.
The Congregational Church was funded by Massachusetts taxpayers until 1855.
Other than your advice to not be unnecessarily public with their ambitions, and to avoid engaging in politics, it’s not a very convincing set of recommendations.
Not do their own background research on the facts and history? It’s worse to hand that power to academic historians, or to mindlessly believe the “facts” stated in briefs prepared by professional spinmasters.
Defer to the political branches on new issues? Which branches? Many of the most important and serious cases are POTUS vs Congress or Feds vs a State, all of whom have democratic legitimacy. Can’t defer to both sides at once.
Defer in emergencies? I see. Defer on the internment camps after, you know, all the internment’s already been inflicted. Defer on the censorship of antiwar sentiment until the war’s too far in to back out.
Item 12 is especially meaningless. How exactly do “the people” exercise their authority over the court? Do you think Kavanaugh is some lone baddie who self-appointed himself and magically controls all of us. In reality, he got appointed by an elected government, and the only means he has of making his decisions stick is hoping that same representative government will carry them out.
This WaPo piece is in a genre I'd call "no more Mr. nice guy" articles.
"We've been too nice to [other side]. We have to adopt their ruthlessness, but on behalf of good, not on behalf of evil like they do."
So well put. And the fascinating thing is that it is almost always a misdiagnosis of the problem, followed by action that is, at best, futile, or, more often, counterproductive. There are countless recent examples on both sides of the political spectrum.
WaPo Columnist Says The Quiet Part Out Loud About Attacks On The Judiciary
Orwell insisted that good writing had no room for any figure of speech which the writer had ever seen used previously. That seems too stern a standard for internet writing. Maybe it should be relaxed, to limit use of familiar figures of speech to internet writers who might plausibly be suspected of wit, intelligence, or insight sufficient to have coined them.
The obvious flaw in these attacks is that there is no shame in being correct.
Well this is exactly what us out here in normalville need and want. All the wingnuts should just combine to take away the rule of law with all your petty bickering. That should make things better.
Roger Taney (author of Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. (19 How.) 393 (1857)) and Henry Billings Brown (author of Plessy v. Ferguson, 163 U.S. 537 (1896)) are justly regarded by history as infamous and odious. So it will be with Clarence Uncle Thomas, Samuel Alito, Niel Gorsuch, Brett Cavanaugh and Amy Coney Bear It. Their ilk should be ostracized by polite society.
When civil society returns, people like not guilty and Sarcastr0 will be the first against the wall.
I don’t know what definition of “civil society” you’re using but murdering people you disagree with probably isn’t included.
Whatcha talking about?
This is the site that got investigated by the FBI for woodchipper threats.
Their idea of "civility" has always included murder threats.
That's why Volokh chose this place.
I am flattered that of all the posters I’m the one who gets under your skin enough to mark for death!
Not 1 in a million people have ever heard of Henry Billings Brown, let alone have an opinion.
"Uncle Thomas"
You are a pig.
Found the fucking racist, right here!
Do you dispute that Clarence Thomas got his appointments to a series of sinecures by playing the House Negro, first to John Danforth, then to Ronald Reagan, and then to George H. W. Bush?
Explain Gini Thomas...
Ginni, the Thomas family bagwoman?
Martin Ginsburg left a lucrative tax law practice to go into teaching when his wife was elevated from the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals to SCOTUS. Jane Roberts quit practicing law when her husband was elevated to Chief Justice of the United States (although she later made big money as a legal recruiter).
Virginia Thomas chose to hire herself out to whoever would put biscuits on the Thomas family breakfast table, notwithstanding that her clients may have litigation before SCOTUS.
Dr. Ed, go ahead and stop trying to help.
I certainly deny that you’ve got anything more worthwhile to say than BravoCharlieDelta, Frank Drackman, or the gay sex guy’s various alts, and I’ll be ostracizing you from my reading list going forward.
"House Negro,"
Racism on top of racism.
He can't help it. The racism just keeps oozing out.
Yeah. No this isn’t the way. This is in fact a racist approach to Clarence Thomas or any black conservative. But Thomas in particular:
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/essay/clarence-thomass-radical-vision-of-race
His experiences growing up black in the South and entering the legal world heavily influenced his views on race in America. And the funny thing is: his views of race based issues in America are vastly different than white conservatives and many commentators here.
He thinks racism is real. He thinks most whites are inherently racist and won’t ever see black people as equal. And he views conservatism as a way forward for black people. And if you interrogate the roots of that conservatism…it’s not exactly going to the place that white conservatives would think.
I’m interested in this. What is the trajectory you see for conservativism and race?
The American right is in a weird place right now when it comes to race. Especially with its relationship to black America. On the one hand, the turn toward conspiratorial thinking and gender/sexual culture war issues is a path forward to a more post-racial right-wing movement. Anyone of any race can come to prominence in this environment.
But this is in real tension with white-grievance they also pander to. I mean DeSantis and co have combined those attacks with pretty obvious attacks on black culture and with black intellectual life. It’s “woke” with a hard R for some if you look at how they use the word. See MTG’s tweet about The Super Bowl halftime show not needing all the “woke” stuff. She clearly meant “black.” And you can see it in random chuds online who see any depiction of black people in media and say that it’s “woke.”
And I think there’s only so far that serious black conservatives can put up with some of that. A grifter like Candace O will always have a place. But sure it might be easy to dismiss “CRT” as Marxist-indoctrination. But how much history will they be okay with burying?
So yeah. Idk. It’s weird. And again,
as Jamelle Bouie pointed out the other day with regard to adding more “conservative” voices to African-American studies programs: serious engagement with black conservative thought isn’t going to lead white conservatives where they think!
"It’s “woke” with a hard R"
I have no idea what that means; There isn't an "R" in woke, after all. Or, rather, I have an idea, but I'd prefer you make such accusations explicit.
"But sure it might be easy to dismiss “CRT” as Marxist-indoctrination. But how much history will they be okay with burying?"
Well, the leaders of CRT coming out and saying that they're Marxists does kind of help in attacking it that way.
I don't see that we actually have to bury any history to oppose CRT. I've cited the actual text of anti-CRT bills often enough here; What they ban is some pretty nasty stuff, teaching racial supremacy, racial collective guilt, advocacy of racial discrimination, which you can claim isn't "CRT" in the first place, but then, why do you complain about the bills, if you don't support what they ban?
What they don't do, is prohibit teaching history. Rather, they prohibit the government's own schools from teaching from a particularly odious perspective.
“I have no idea what that means; There isn’t an “R” in woke, after all. Or, rather, I have an idea, but I’d prefer you make such accusations explicit.”
Man you people are obsessed with wanting to say the n word, huh?
That's interesting; Is Prager U blocked at Reason?
To reiterate, without the link this time: I'd have guessed "racist". People on the right don't associate wokeness with blackness; It's actually a commonplace observation on the right that the 'woke' are mostly lily white, just like almost everybody who uses the term "Latinx" isn't Hispanic.
Oh they absolutely do:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/majorie-taylor-greene-chris-stapleton-super-bowl-b2283262.html?amp
Chris Stapleton is white and supports the BLM movement. He’s “beautiful.” The other performers? Black. That’s what she means when she says woke.
This is possibly nutpicking but this guy clearly used it to mean black:
https://twitter.com/maxkennerly/status/1569635559223558145?s=46&t=IJWghwVcCyKWRkP-8N439g
And Prager U once did a slideshow praising Robert e Lee for among other things crushing the attempted slave rebellion at Harper’s Ferry. Plus he’s a bad faith propagandist like Dinesh D’Souza who “ignores” the overwhelming historical evidence regarding the southern strategy and party realignment. So you’re lucky your link didn’t work or you would look even worse than you do here.
Yeah, I suppose it's always possible to find outliers, so unqualified statements are almost always wrong. I should say that none of the conservatives I know and associate with mean "black" when they say "woke"; It's used to refer to a bunch of associated beliefs and rhetorical tics.
Right. But like all language it’s adaptable. Before conservatives used it as a slur it was a positive trait about understanding used by the black community.
And considering Rep Greene is not only in Congress but a major power center there now, shes not exactly an outlier on broader cultural trends!
Also, not for nothing, but the people who pointed out this usage of “woke” to me are black. I think they’d know more than you about when whites adapt language to attack blackness. Especially considering the long long history of it. See for example the Lee Atwater interview on the subject.
"I think they’d know more than you about when whites adapt language to attack blackness."
Even if true, that doesn't imply they'd know more about whites' general usage of a term.
Uh they would if they’re being targeted for racial animus.
No, that would imply a particularized knowledge about the usage as a slur, but doesn't mean they'd particularly notice a vast number of conservatives using it not as a slur, and not particularly directed towards them.
It's like me; I'm an Aspie, I'm particularly aware of liberals using the term "autistic" as a slur. Of course I am, I get it directed at me, how would I miss it? But this doesn't imply that I have any particular insight into what is probably the vast majority of liberals' usage of it, which would probably NOT be as a slur, but just discussing autism.
Hey LTG - I'm not quite locked in yet; can't find the Bouie piece.
Where might black conservative (or "conservative") thought unexpectedly lead? Is this about how conservativism is pretty reactionary and there is also a nontrivial reactionary thread in black spaces, but towards a very different vision of America than the sepia-toned 1950s-that-never-happened of the current right?
https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1621307612133220353?s=46&t=_EOaS2V1tOjRaI0oBxfAyg
Not a piece, just a short thread, but interesting. I might check out the essay collection he mentions.
So they're dropping the absurd, couterfactual and racist narrative that he's dumb and simply copied Scalia? Good move.
He would like black people not to depend on the goodwill of whites, liberal or conservative. (He had to compromise on that one to get his position, but I would distinguish between racial criteria for high-level positions and racial criteria for engineers, stock clerks, and medical students.)
He isn't enamored of precedents set by prior (often all-white) courts. Why should he carry water for white predecessors who screwed up the law?
He's overly enamored of Presidential power and off base on a couple issues, but I happen to think he's sounder on federalism and the Bill of Rights than his distinguished colleagues.
I agree; I don't actually agree with Thomas about everything, but I think he's probably the most intellectually consistent and principled Justice on the Court.
Oh, he's been proudly displaying his racism for years. One of the most blatantly racist commenters here, and considering the russian nazi guy, that's saying something.
I wouldn't use that term myself, but I see you've made the 'blacks are a client race of the Democrats' and 'are on the Democrat plantation' crowd mad about rascism.
What are the relative odds of being shot as a federal judge or a governor? Governors have more security so it may not be a fair comparison. Judges get security when they are particularly controversial, like Arthur Garrity during the busing era.
https://thebeltwayreport.com/2023/02/p6203/
"Kavanuagh Rape Accuser [Judy Munro-Leighton] Confesses She Lied, Was Never Raped, Never Even Met The Man"
But she could have bee, if she ever met him.
Judicial power is political power. It’s impossible to exercise political non-politically. In a democratic political society the members of the public have an interest in holding those exercising political power accountable or criticizing them for when they do it in a way they don’t like.
Blackman wants unpopular conservative rulings but no criticism or shaming from opponents. Buddy, that’s just not going to happen. So get over it you pathetic whining dork.
Blackman is the most successful troll on this blog.
Don't let him get under your skin.
"pathetic whining dork"
But enough about you.
Meh. Whatever. Been nerdy/dorky my whole life. I own it. But I don’t get into pathetic right-wing grievance and culture politics because of it. I’m simply not that maladjusted.
Yet another leftist narcissist, Perry Bacon Jr. loves his own opinions so much that he desperately aches to impose them on others and seethes at judges who tell him the constitution stands in his way.
Letting others decide anything for themselves or letting others have input on government decisions through representative democracy and legislative compromise is unacceptable to leftist narcissists like Perry Bacon Jr. and so many others.
“letting others have input on government decisions through representative democracy and legislative compromise.”
Ummmmmmm he’s talking about court decisions from unaccountable federal judges?
So? Narcissist leftists only know that their opinions are awesome because they’re The Good People. The actual mechanics of how their opinions will be forced on others isn’t what matters to them. What matters to them is that no one except them should have any alternatives available, not because of the bill of rights, not because the Feds have limited power, not because they elected non-leftist members of Congress, not because of private personal choice, not because of anything.
It matters because the premise for your belief that PB is a narcissist is wrong.
He’s so in love with his personal opinions that he’s ready to green light personal attacks (and "oppose” but otherwise downplay and talk around calls for violence against) judges.
So what about the democracy bit in your post up top,of the thread LTG pointed out was not on point for an article about the judiciary?
Just some kind of boilerplate attack you had in your back pocket or did you not bother to read the OP?
It says a lot about Blackman that he equates Matthew J. Kacsmaryk with Frank M. Johnson.
What next? Aileen Cannon and John Minor Wisdom?
"But judges are powerful figures setting policy — they should get as much scrutiny as elected officials."
Bacon has the IQ of the namesake breakfast food but he's right on this.
Bacon is racist trash who only writes for the WaPo because equity. The only one worse than him is Attiah who is a straight up black supremacist that would make the Klan blush.
He could say the sun rises in the east and he’d still be wrong.
Not this time of year -- try SouthEast.
"The switchboard in Amarillo federal courthouse should record how many calls were received in the past few days from Oregon."
What year is it?
"Shaming them"?
I wonder if it might piss some of them off.
Especially anyone thinking of retiring in the next few years. Getting old and being cranky, when you don't really give a shit about the critics isn't unheard of. They might just decide to give a big FU to the people attempting to shame them and sway them in the other direction.
It's kind of strange that they'd expect conservative jurists to feel shame about not being liberals. I have noticed this before, where people on the left just casually assume everyone agrees with them about stuff, and are just taking a contrary stance out of some malicious motive.
So this is a call for what the left calls "Stochastic Terrorism" correct?
Pretty much.
Shaming judges works both ways. Governor deSantis would not be half as popular as he is without doing plenty of it.