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Requirement of Serial Numbers on Guns Doesn't Violate Second Amendment
From U.S. v. Reyna, decided yesterday by Judge Robert Miller, Jr. (N.D. Ind.) (for a case reaching the opposite result, see this post):
The Heller Court made clear that the Second Amendment excludes "those weapons not typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes." This limit on the Second Amendment right arises from the Second Amendment's text; the Heller Court explained that the plain meaning of "militia" and the relationship between the Second Amendment's operative clause and prefatory clause show that the Second Amendment protects common weapons used for lawful purposes. This limitation comes from the text of the Second Amendment, so whether a particular type of gun is typically used by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes is a proper question at the first step of the N.Y. State Rifle analysis.
Guns with obliterated serial numbers belong to "those weapons not typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes" so possession of such guns isn't within the Second Amendment's scope. Heller. Guns with obliterated serial numbers are useful for criminal activity because identifying who possessed a firearm is more difficult when the serial number is destroyed. By using a gun without a serial number, a criminal ensures he has a greater higher likelihood of evading justice.
Mr. Reyna might be right that a deserialized gun is just as useful for self-defense as a gun with its serial number intact, but that doesn't suggest that deserialized guns are typically used by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes. A law-abiding citizen who uses a gun for self-defense has no reason to prefer a deserialized gun to a gun with serial number intact. That a law-abiding citizen could use a gun with an obliterated serial number for lawful self-defense isn't evidence that guns with obliterated serial numbers are typically used by law-abiding citizens for lawful self-defense.
Mr. Reyna's objection that § 922(k) reduces the pool of guns available to him for self-defense doesn't change the outcome. Prohibiting possession or use of a particular type of gun might bring a regulation within the Second Amendment's scope if the class of firearms is defined by its functionality. For instance, in Heller, the government argued that banning all handguns was permissible because a would-be gun owner could still possess some other type of gun, like a rifle. The Court rejected that argument because of handguns' characteristics that make them helpful and common for lawful self-defense:
It is enough to note, as we have observed, that the American people have considered the handgun to be the quintessential self-defense weapon. There are many reasons that a citizen may prefer a handgun for home defense: It is easier to store in a location that is readily accessible in an emergency; it cannot easily be redirected or wrestled away by an attacker; it is easier to use for those without the upper-body strength to lift and aim a long gun; it can be pointed at a burglar with one hand while the other hand dials the police. Whatever the reason, handguns are the most popular weapon chosen by Americans for self-defense in the home, and a complete prohibition of their use is invalid.
While the prohibition in Heller applied to a class of guns defined by characteristics that brought them within the Second Amendment's scope (they are useful and common for lawful self-defense), the § 922(k) prohibition applies to a class of guns defined solely by a nonfunctional characteristic: the serial number. See United States v. Marzzarella (3d Cir. 2010) ("Furthermore, it also would make little sense to categorically protect a class of weapons bearing a certain characteristic wholly unrelated to their utility. Heller distinguished handguns from other classes of firearms, such as long guns, by looking to their functionality.")….
The Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms doesn't extend to arms that aren't typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes. Law-abiding citizens don't typically possess firearms with obliterated serial numbers for lawful purposes, so Mr. Reyna's indictment and guilty plea don't offend the Second Amendment.
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Does the ATF still ‘suggest’ you put serial #s on a firearm that you create for yourself (should it be stolen its easier to return to you, etc)?
I was wondering about homemade guns myself.
Would this case apply to possession of an unnumbered homemade gun?
My understanding of the law regarding homemade guns is that they do not legally require serial numbers unless or until you want to sell or otherwise transfer them to someone else.
State law may be stricter, and in California it is stricter. California avoids federal preemption by excluding ATF-regulated manufacturers.
True, but the original question posed by darkknight9 was specifically about ATF policy, not state law.
Indeed. The same policies that say you can not manufacture one for your own use and then sell or transfer to another individual as that would require proper licensure as a manufacturer. Its yours until you destroy it (to dispose of it and/or to make a new one), or you die and it goes bye bye.
Although now, because of the latest (April) final rule you can still manufacture, still don’t need a serial #, but one of the ways you can dispose of the gun is to let an FFL take it into their inventory. They have to mark it or get it marked by someone under their supervision and register it in 7 days.
It doesn’t say how the getting it to the gunshop folks works for the person giving it up. Assuming they are alive anyway.
The problem I see with the ATF requiring privately built and owned firearms to be serialized, is that the NFA (Etc) is based on Commerce Clause justification. If you make and keep an unserialized firearm, it is never really entering into Interstate Commerce. Now, there is some precedent where, I believe, grain was grown and consumed, based on a displacement theory. But that, I think, is harder here, where the government would have to argue that you would have bought another firearm anyway. But I think that one counter argument is that, no, I wouldn’t. The unserialized firearm I built was constructed primarily because it was unserialized. I didn’t really need it (I have plenty of guns), but rather just wanted one that the ATF, with it’s known history of perfidy (Ruby Ridge, Waco, Fast and Furious, etc) couldn’t track. It’s a backup gun for if the USG starts collecting FFL documents in order to build a firearm ownership database. That’s supposedly illegal right now, but for how long? Plus, of course, building your own firearms is a long standing, from before our founding, tradition, and the ATF now regulating something that in 2 1/2 centuries, or so, has never regulated, but seen as a basic right, would presumably require express Congressional intent, evidence through legislation.
I agree, but that applies to nearly all federal gun regulation. I don’t think the federal government has the power to do most of what is covered by 922 and 924.
I agree the scope of the commerce clause has been interpreted too broadly, but I disagree that is is a good argument under current doctrine.
After all, the marijuana ar issue in Raich was an illegal substance with no legal market, but that didn’t stop the Raich Court.
So if “guns without serial numbers” are considered their own thing, then the Feds could prohibit private manufacture and possession in order to prevent the existence of an interstate market in exactly the way it did for marijuana in Raich.
“but that didn’t stop the Raich Court.”
“But, drugs!” is similar in nature to, “But, guns!”, only more so.
It would be incredibly fucking stupid to create your own weapons and not put your own serial numbers on them, so you can identify them in case they get stolen and used to commit crime.
Davedave, you keep saying stupid shit and you need to stop.
If the gun is not serialized;
1. It can’t be tracked back to you, can it? If it can – then they didn’t need the serial number in the first place, did they?
2. If you did put a serial number on it – who keeps the record of that? You do. And only you do. There isn’t even a mechanism by which you could inform the ATF of the serial number you put on the gun.
As to “making it easier to return to you if stolen”, what if you put your social security number on ALL the guns you make?
Here we have a convenient definition of “arms” for purposes of 2A. The progressive originalists might note that had the FFs intended an expansive definition they could have said, “all arms”, but they didn’t.
But they didn’t state any limits on the scope of “arms” either.
“Arms” is a very generic term for weapons of all types.
If you want to make an originalist case that arms does not mean all arms, the burden is on you to show what the limits are and where in the text of the Constitution they come from.
To the extent that the arms can be “borne,” yes. The plain text makes it clear that the arms must be something bearable to be covered.
This is close to my own view on this, that “keep and bear” can be read as excluding what are generally referred to as crew served weapons from the scope of 2A.
What about cannons and war-faring vessels and such? There’s not even much currently that is full-on illegal to own, if you have enough money.
They weren’t generally kept at home so that the people could grab them and attend to the militia, so I don’t believe they were covered by the 2nd Amendment.
Yes, that private ownership of cannons and warships was allowed (as well as the clause in the constitution that authorizes Congress to issue letters of Marquis and Reprisal) goes somewhat against my view.
However, that the government refrained from prohibiting something is not of and in itself evidence that the government lacked the authority to do so, so it’s not that simple.
The Bill of rights was passed together, and the tenth amendment says that the government can only do what it is expressly authorized by the constitution. The courts have done their best to render the tenth irrelevant just as they have tried to do with the second.
Heller and Bruen affirmed the second. It’s time the courts respected the tenth as well.
Unless you can either show how you can physically “bear” a fully armed ship of war or explain how that precedent was clearly allowed at the time (as were cannons and other crew-served weapons) under your interpretation, I don’t think that interpretation holds up.
By the way, elnurm…’s comment above is wrong. Cannons were regularly kept in the barn of the wealthy land-owner who purchased it.
Yes, in the barns of wealthy land-owners. But not your everyday person who made up the militia. They all had their rifles.
Not at all. Wealthy land-owners were also members of the militia.
I’ll tell you the same thing I told elnurmamedrafiev .
The 2nd amendment doesn’t ‘cover’ arms. It doesn’t ‘permit’, or ‘allow’ anything. It is a restriction on government power. The whole of the Bill of Rights is that as explained by its own preamble. Since so many appear to be plug ignorant of this I – again – post the preamble:https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/bill-of-rights
The Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its[the Constitution’s NOT the People’s] powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added.: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.
Preamble to the Bill of Rights
If you always thought that, you were always wrong.
The Court in Heller made absolutely clear that ‘Keep’ and ‘Bear’ are two (2) separate rights. Interconnected, yes, but SEPARATE and not restrictive on the other. The 2nd amendment is NOT a ‘permission’ or an ‘allowance’, or a ‘covering’ of a certain subset of arms. It is, and has always been, a restriction on government power as – again – clearly explained by its own preamble. If you’ve never known that, the problem is who taught you.
‘Bearable’ does not mean – and I know you’re going there – ‘man-portable’. Even if it did, that includes a heck of a lot of heavy hardware up to heavy machine guns, RPG’s, and missiles.
And let’s not forget that at the founding, ‘arms’ included cannon of all sizes, even fully-kitted out warships.
Arms and armaments are clearly distinct, and were at the time the USC was written.
The real problem with originalism when it comes to the 2a is that at the time it was written it was understood to mean ‘to the extent that a well regulated militia is’ etc etc.
But, really, all these arguments are ludicrous. It is plain and obvious that the US Constitution needs to be rewritten by the legislature because it is badly written, archaic, and no longer fit for purpose even to the extent it was when written. When it is rewritten, aberrations like the 2nd amendment can be fixed.
Are you stupid or do you think we are? Love to see a constitution written by you. Don’t think you’ll find much support for your idea.
You can either rewrite the constitution or watch the union fall apart. It’s clear what you’d prefer, and therefore it’s clear you hate the US. So just another Trump-traitor then.
I see in today’s news the indictment is finally about to drop. Insurrection, huh?
So we’ll put you down as being in favor of an Article V convention of the states, right?
Yes, I just said explicitly that it’s obvious to anyone who isn’t half-witted that the USC requires a major ground-up rewrite.
No it is not ‘plain’.
That is only in the minds of those who seek to eliminate the restrictions the Bill of Rights impose on goobermint powers.
We’re onto you. We’ve been onto your anti-civil rights/pro-authoritarian goobermint gambit for quite awhile.
No, they are not distinct. Nor were they in the past. That’s just more of your bullshit.
You keep going on about that ‘progressive originalist’ bullshit. You can’t be a progressive and an originalist.
The founding fathers said ‘arms’. That’s inclusive.
FINALLY a non-lunatic decision on this.
If Mr. Reyna wants a legal gun without a serial number, he can obtain a gun manufactured before serial numbers were required, or he can learn to make one for himself.
This. Totally this. 🙂
I’d thumbs up this if we had the ability.
All good, provided he’s in a state not trying to ban “ghost guns” or the components and tools to construct a firearm.
I’d agree that the 2nd amendment doesn’t prohibit the federal government from requiring serial numbers on guns. The 10th amendment? Maybe if the courts weren’t intent on rendering it a dead letter.
Coming into a gun law debate with a slam on McCulloch v. Maryland was not on my VC bingo, unfortunately.
I would disagree, to the extent that the firearm was individually manufactured for personal use. That isn’t what was at issue here – which was unserializing a previously serialized firearm. That has been illegal since when firearms passing in interstate commerce were first required to be serialized. See my argument above.
Don’t remove that mattress tag!
Didn’t US v. Price reach the opposite conclusion just (*checks watch*) two months ago? https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/10/supreme-court-ghost-guns-serial-number-clarence-thomas.html
Seems to me that my property can be defaced however I want it to be defaced. I get how/why the feds require a newly manufactured gun for commercial sale to have a serial number, but once the item becomes private property, It’s unclear to me how a federal or state body gets the reach required to demand it remain. That said, the feds and states seem to prohibit removal of VIN numbers from cars well enough. I don’t know the legal justification (not interest) for that authority either, and at this point am too afraid to ask.
I assume the VIN removal prohibition relates in some way to the licensing scheme that you are required to participate in to use your car outside of private property. I’d have to wager a guess that serial numbers on firearms stem from a similar sort of thought.
Aside from the administrative convenience of having a unique number meaning this car, having the VIN on major parts of the car reduces car theft by reducing the resale value of stripped parts.
You’re speaking to the government’s interest in exercising regulation, not the authorization to do so.
That would be my interpretation as well, however it is not the Supreme Court’s interpretation. Once a product has moved in interstate commerce (or indeed can do so) it is able to be regulated by Congress in perpetuity.
When (and if) that precedent is knocked down we can start rolling back all these other overreaches of the commerce clause.
I don’t think you can be prosecuted for removing a VIN number from a vehicle if that vehicle never gets out onto a public road.
I don’t think that exemption exists, though it’s not an unreasonable assumption.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/511
It speaks to motor vehicles, which are defined as vehicles designed to be driven primarily on public roadways, but is silent on the topic of where it’s actually used. It contrasts a motor vehicle with those designed to be driven on rail lines, for instance.
“The Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms doesn’t extend to arms that aren’t typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes. Law-abiding citizens don’t typically possess firearms with obliterated serial numbers for lawful purposes, so Mr. Reyna’s indictment and guilty plea don’t offend the Second Amendment.”
I don’t necessarily think the serial number requirement violates the 2nd Amendment, but this retarded circular reasoning doesn’t belong in a judicial decision. Obviously law-abiding people don’t typically possess firearms with obliterated serial numbers for lawful purposes, because possessing firearms with obliterated serial numbers is ILLEGAL!
And has been illegal probably from the time that serial numbers were first required for firearms passing in interstate commerce (NFA?)
I think it was actually the 1968 Gun Control Act that promulgated the serial numbers.
the “Gun Control” act that controlled no guns, it’s like a Seinfeld bit
Frank “What’s the Deal with Suppressors?????”
The more obvious flaw in the reasoning (to me) is this idea that you can swap any unusual characteristic in the formula. Purple tiger striped guns? Red guns? Wooden stocked AR’s? All illegal because most people don’t typically have them! Silliness.
All my guns have serial numbers (it’s the law) but all bought through private sales, no background check, ID? do you recognize Ben Franklin?? Usually in pubic places like Walmart parking lots (who does a gun transaction in a Police Department parking lot?? Yeah, I’m just gonna meet some stranger, pull out a wad of cash, an AKM, 10 feet from Officer Un-friendly?? Ex-squeeze me, but don’t want to be in Uncle Sam’s naughty book when President Pete Booty-Judge gets back from whatever Gay event he’s been in Portugal (and pretending he’s in DC) for…
Frank “Mannlincher Carcano??? What Mannlincher Carcano??”
Agreed.
The reasoning is circular because we have had serial number requirements for decades and of course law-abiding people typically have guns with serial numbers. We don’t ban speech that is more likely to be uttered by criminals.
That aside, I would bet that the government wins these cases on appeal. The Supreme Court is willing to strike down state gun laws. It has preemptively reassured the public that core federal gun laws will stand.
If the right to keep and bear arms was treated like abortion used to be, with an undue burden test, the serial number requirement would pass easily. It’s not a big burden. But the Supreme Court had to invent a unique legal standard.
Correct. There are certain federal gun laws that are blatantly unconstitutional, like the prohibition of handgun sales out of state, the prohibition of handguns to people under 21, and the NFA treatment of short-barreled rifles and suppressors, for example, but I don’t see SCOTUS doing anything about them.
I could see it happening eventually, but only after decades of having struck down state laws. Kind of boiling the frog, only in reverse; Getting the judiciary out of the mindset that guns are inherently awful.
Perhaps. I’d love to see the government argue why the historical framework allows the government to prohibit a South Carolina resident from driving into Georgia and buying a handgun.
I for one am very pro – 2A both the individual right and the right of the people to form militias
That being said, I am very much ok with seriel numbers. Automobiles , motorcycles, vin numbers) bicycles, etc, washing machines, lots of shop tools, etc have serial numbers
I was taught how to diagram a sentence in the 5th grade, and continued in every grade through the end of high school. kinda hard not to see both rights when the sentence of 2a is diagramed
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
remove the phrase “being necessary to the security of a free state” which describes the purpose of the first right in 2a,
“A well regulated Militia, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Joe_dallas:
So you are saying, if I understand you correctly, that the first half of 2A says why the writers are writing the second half, but the first half is purely explanatory, and has no prescriptive content, and imposes no requirement or mandate. It’s like a “comment” in a computer program (in BASIC, a “REM” statement): it’s there for the reader, but it doesn’t affect what the thing does.
You have a problem!
Your problem is: if that is true of the first half of 2A, why didn’t the authors put any other, similar, explanatory language into the Constitution (except for very general statements of purpose in the Preamble)?
No other amendment or clause contains anything like that. The Third Amendment doesn’t say WHY the government shouldn’t be allowed to make you quarter troops in peacetime. The Eighth Amendment doesn’t say WHY cruel and unusual punishment should not be inflicted. Nor do any clauses say why the authors are putting other, prescriptive clauses, into the document. This is sensible – the Authors didn’t want to waste words. They understood that brevity is wit.
So WHY IN THE WORLD would the authors of the Constitution put this one UNIQUE purely-explanatory, non-prescriptive, non-doing-anything clause into this amendment, and not into any other? Why not just write: “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”???
What I said was that 2A protects two separate and distinct rights
A) the right to form milita’s (for the common defence)
B) the individual right to keep and bear arms
simple 5th grade sentence diagram
Then why did they write “being”? Why not write: “The right to form militias, and the right to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed”?
“Being” implies a special relationship between the condition which “being” refers to and the mandate in the second clause.
As in “The weather being nasty, our children shall not go outside without wearing raincoats and galoshes.
That is very different from “the weather is nasty, and our children shall not go outside without wearing raincoats and galoshes.”
But your “fifth grade sentence diagram” would treat both versions – with “is” and with “being” – as the same.
In other words, as Bill Clinton might say, it’s a question of what the definition of “being” might be.
“WHY IN THE WORLD would the authors of the Constitution put this one UNIQUE purely-explanatory, non-prescriptive, non-doing-anything clause into this amendment, and not into any other?”
Firstly that isn’t true, and secondly because the whole thing is badly written by people who were practically illiterate and wildly inconsistent, which is why it’s so absurd to treat it as if their every word was carefully considered.
Dave –
you make a very good point on inconsistency of writing during that time period
One point to remember is that the rules of grammar were not nearly so well defined as they are today. That makes diagraming the sentence much more difficult.
The best natural reading of 2a after examining the changes in the language in 2a from the first version to the final version, and an honest review of the historical writings of the time and comparison of the writings in the other amendments is that 2a protected two rights A) the right to form militia’s and B) the individual right to keep and bear arms.
remove the phrase , necessary for a free society –
The 2 separate and distinct rights are readily apparent. Compare with the multiple rights detailed in 1a, & 5a.
“A well regulated Militia, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Honestly, I think it’s self-evident that where there is real debate over the fundamental meaning of lines like this, the language is not fit for purpose and requires primary legislation to fix the problem.
Originalism, when combined with intellectual honesty, demands that the USC be rewritten.
In fairness, the 26th Amendment didn’t pass until 1971 — back in 1968, 21 was the age of majority in most states.
Which are the “core” federal gun laws? The NFA provision which prohibits(without a tax stamp) cutting a rifle down under 16 inch barrel/27 inch overall, but allows essentially identical weapons to be built from scratch?
I think he was referring to basically all of the 1968 GCA.
Great bit in Gordon Liddys Bio “Will” about some ATF hack in the early 70’s wanting to put serial numbers on ammunition. Guy thought the new fangled Univacs could handle the huge numbers. Realized it wouldn’t work when Liddy through a handful of 22short rounds at him (case length 10.7mm” and asked where the serial numbers would go…
Frank “22 short round serial # 1,234,567,890”
Maybe it couldn’t have worked in the early 1970s, no. Now? We can laser-etch microscopic serial numbers on diamonds, we could laser-etch them on .22 shorts.
(Heck, we could etch each round four times. Once on the outside of the case, once on the inside, once on the outside of the bullet, and once on the part of the bullet that would be covered by the case. You could even use a redundant and checksummed serial number encoded as a QR code so that partial effacement in normal wear and use would still often leave enough to ID the round.)
I don’t see how the Second Amendment would even enter into this. You can keep arms, and you can bear arms, but they have to have serial numbers. Having a serial number interferes with neither keeping nor bearing.
It’s a restriction on possession of firearms because certain firearms cannot be legally possessed.
The problem with this court’s analysis is that it doesn’t look to historical analogues for gun regulation, such as tracking of firearms, but “lawful uses” governed by the very law that is being challenged. So if someone challenged the serial number requirement as soon as it was introduced, the court’s reasoning would produce a different result (because there would be no serial numbers to remove as a predicate to unlawful uses), even though the right granted by the 2nd Amendment had not changed.
That “in common use” standard has the same problem: What’s in common use got warped by a lifetime of unconstitutional laws the Court refused to hear challenges to.
By that standard, Congress can prohibit almost anything.
“You can keep arms, and you can bear arms, but they can’t be magazine-fed.”
“You can keep arms, and you can bear arms, but they can’t be semi-automatic.”
“You can keep arms, and you can bear arms, but they can’t weigh under X ounces.”
But the Second Amendment doesn’t say the right to keep and bear *all* arms, as you would find out if you tried to privately own a nuclear missile. And you’re right that that interpretation could lead to more regulation than you’d like, but that’s your policy preference, not a constitutional mandate. Just as not all speech is protected — extortion, shouting fire in a crowded theater, sending pornography to minors — likewise, not all arms are protected.
It does extend to handguns, though, and a handgun with a removed serial number is still a handgun.
It extends to all handguns? Where is that made clear?
The same place that it’s made clear that “equal protection of the law” protects the right to marry your “husband.”
That’s like saying that the First Amendment protects magazines so I can send a child a pornographic magazine.
Guess you missed “Infringement” during Vocabulary class (do they still teach Vocabulary? I mean when they aren’t talking about Anal Sounding and Neo-Vaginas (I prefer “Classic” Vagina)
Frank “Tenesmus, it’s what’s after Dinner”
But the question is what’s being infringed. The only constitutional bar on infringing anything is keeping and bearing. You’re reading more into it than what’s there.
…else it would be unlawful to have no-parking zones outside a gun shop.
That’s a ridiculous case of circular reasoning by the court.
Why are firearms without serial numbers not in common use by law-abiding citizens. Because of the very same law that is being contested here. A law cannot claim its own existence as justification for that existence.
If you build your own handgun, like with a 80% kit, it is not required to have a serial number. Problem solved. How many kits have been sold? I’m guessing over a million. Are all those people who purchased those kits criminals? I mean before they purchased the kit. If they aren’t criminals that’s a million people with a legal unserialized gun. I see a recurring problem in gun cases, at least in ca, is that the court, prosecutor, criminalist and defense lawyers have very limited knowledge regarding guns , leading to bad decisions because the incorrect argument was made.
Is there anything that liberals don’t want to criminalize or regulate?
Well, you’re still out and about.
Killing unborn babies, smoking weed, and gay anal sex. Nothing else though.
Ex Virgina Governor, Corvette Defacer (who puts “Rainblow Glitter” on a Vette? even a Disco 70’s model??) and Blackface Aficionado Ralph Northern was even for Killing the born babies (“Comfortably”, of course)
Hey! whats wrong with smoking a little of Jehovah’s own Glaucoma medicine??
I’ll pass on the gay anal sex, the non-gay variety also,
Frank “Vet with a Vette”
Part of the problem is that the ruling actually mentions two different scenarios, firearms with defaced serial and firearms that never had serials. A firearm with a defaced serial raises suspicion that it is stolen while a firearm without a serial merely indicates it was homemade.
Government may have an interest in requiring serial numbers but they may not have the authority to require it.
The alternative, where the serial number has been removed, is to require the possessor to prove that the weapon hasn’t been stolen.
That may become a distinction without a difference.
As an aside, as I understand it, the ATF has become *very* good at recovering serial numbers that have been removed. Something about the numbering dies compressing the metal *below* the number and the ATF being able to get the number from the compressed metal.
The ruling appears to ignore the issue of unserialized guns. Prior to GCA 68, only the more expensive guns were serialized. I have my father’s guns. A Stevens/Savage Model 14 which has no serial number and I believe that his Iver Johnson single shot has no serial number either. No serial numbers were obliterated. They were never applied.
That’s a feature, not a bug to the left.
No it wouldn’t. Microetching is not expensive any more, particularly on metal surfaces.
The cost is practically zero. Many things are produced with such markings. It’s a trivial additional cost.
I’m not sure there’s any point doing it, but there are no valid objections based on it being difficult or expensive to do.