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Free Speech Rules, Free Speech Culture, and Legal Education: More Responses to Objections
I was invited to participate in a Hofstra Law Review symposium on free speech in law schools, which will be happening in February, and I thought I'd serialize my current draft article; there's still plenty of time to improve it, so I'd love to hear people's comments. Here are some responses to possible objections to my general thesis (see the Introduction for a quick summary), though you can read the whole PDF, if you prefer:
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B. Vulnerability of Powerless Minority Groups
Some might argue that the presence of certain views or speakers in the law school (or in law school classes) is particularly harmful for powerless minority groups who feel hated or even threatened by the powerful. If the speech is allowed by the institution, then those groups will also feel unwanted and disrespected by the institution.
But of course speech suppression isn't generally targeted at the truly powerful, since if the targets were so powerful, they would be easily able to defeat the suppression. Rather, the targets of the suppression I describe here are invariably speakers that have comparatively little power in law schools—speakers whose views are sharply at odds with the views endorsed by the administration.
Conversely, the suppression takes place precisely because the groups that the suppression is meant to protect have powerful allies—either vocal student advocacy organizations, or often the administration itself. Perhaps outside the law school, the suppressed groups may indeed have political power. But in the law school, the speech restrictions fit well with the story of speech restrictions throughout history: The comparatively powerful are trying to suppress the speech of the comparatively powerless.
A law school is thus the place where it's pretty easy for the administration to make clear that it both values and respects the minority groups that are offended by the speech, and that it values open debate even on controversial topics. A school putting on a debate about immigration, for instance, can both stress to people
- that it values all its students, wherever they may come from (and even without regard to whether they are legally present, if that's the school's policy), and
- that anyone interested in immigration has to hear the best arguments on both side of the issue (if only to understand how one can better rebut them), especially since there is a hot national controversy on the issue.
There might still be some immigrant students who continue to be offended by there being such a debate at the law school, though I expect that many won't be, especially if it's framed this way. But the answer to them has to be that a law school can't deny educationally valuable programming to those who want to attend such events just because some people condemn the very existence of that programming at the law school.
C. Risk of Persuasiveness
Of course, if speakers can express such views at law schools, then they may persuade some law students. Indeed, since I'm talking here chiefly about mainstream perspectives, they have by definition persuaded millions of people. And even if one is confident that, in a balanced debate, the side one supports would trounce the other, there might still be some people who are persuaded by what one sees as the wrong side.
But I don't think that a law school can properly act on this theory. Law students, after all, are selected for their comparative intelligence, and their commitment to a discipline where rational argument is valued. They have been trained in college, where they presumably learned something about evaluating arguments. They are being trained further, specifically in thoughtful, critical, and self-critical analysis.
To be sure, they remain human. Being human, they may err or be deceived. But of course, the same can be said of the administrators (or objecting students) who are tempted to suppress certain views.
Those administrators—who may include faculty acting within a system of shared governance—have immense power over what is taught in the law school. They develop the curriculum. They hire the professors who teach the curriculum. They put on many events that reflect their own views.
If they refuse to allow certain views to even be aired at the law school, or otherwise take steps to discourage students from hearing the views—despite the pedagogical value, which I outlined above, of exposing students even to wrongheaded views—they are showing remarkable lack of confidence in their students, and in their own abilities to train their students in critical thinking. And they are showing overconfidence in their own ability to reliably discern which views are not just mistaken, but so mistaken that students shouldn't even be exposed to the most articulate exponents of those views.
Plus of course the students can't be insulated indefinitely from such views. Even if some students travel in ideologically homogeneous circles, and went to relatively ideologically homogeneous colleges, once they graduate they will likely have to confront positions that dissent from that orthodoxy. Many law firms remain somewhat ideologically mixed; but in any event, lawyers will often come across other lawyers, or clients, or others who hold such views and aren't afraid to express them.
If law school administrators are really concerned about that the views are wrong yet devilishly persuasive, law school offers a perfect opportunity to inoculate the students against those views: Invite credible, articulate speakers who can rebut those views.
Of course, perhaps, despite that, more people are persuaded of what the administrators see as the wrong view than the right view. But might it then be possible that the administrators are themselves the ones who are mistaken, at least to a considerable degree and in a considerable fraction of such cases?
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Still to come, in future posts (or you can see it now in the PDF):
III. Responses to Some Possible Objections
D. Risk of "Legitimizing" Certain Perspectives
E. Losing the Opportunity to Chill Political and Ideological Participation and Organization by the Other Side
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"But of course speech suppression isn't generally targeted at the truly powerful, since if the targets were so powerful, they would be easily able to defeat the suppression."
Well sure, unless you're a white, American male who's afraid of other white, American males who happen to wear dresses.
Then apparently you're so helpless you can only shoot at big metal boxes that control distribution of electricity.
I’m sorry, did you have some inside information about who’s been sabotaging substations? If so you should share it with authorities.
Looking further, I see that there was, coincidentally, a drag show scheduled within the blackout area. A lot of other things scheduled, too. No connection has been found.
Telepathy for me, not for thee!
There was some social media activity right when the blackout hit from an anti-LGBT accounts that was saying stuff like 'The power is out in Moore County and I know why.'
Yeah, it's pretty weak evidence to say for sure what happened - I'm reserving judgement. But it's not pulled out of his hat either.
No, it's pulled out of somebody else's hat. Not much better. 10's of thousands in the dark, and, what, a dozen people think it was targeting them? I'm pretty sure anybody who was actually targeting them could have done a more precise job of targeting.
Brett -- I'm just guessing here, and if you put enough bullets into anything, bad things will happen -- but I strongly suspect the person(s) who fired those rounds knew what he/she/it was aiming at.
I'm thinking someone with some technical knowledge who knew where a few rounds would do some serious damage and not just blow some fuses. Something that fuses didn't protect.
Oh, I am fairly confident the people who shot up the substations knew what they were doing.
I'm dismissing as silly the notion that they caused a blackout that covers 40,000 people, and will cost millions to fix, in order to cut the lights at a drag queen event.
Particularly when a single round into the base of the pole transformer servicing the Drag Queen venue (causing the cooling oil to drain out and the transformer to overheat) would have sufficed. Or a half dozen other things to the circuit -- and it doesn't take an engineering degree to figure out which circuit feeds a particular street... Something simple like connecting two (or all three) of the (usually) uninsulated primary wires together would suffice -- fuses would (hopefully) blow but it still would take them a couple hours to figure out why -- and once they did, that the rest of the circuit was safe to re-energize.
They'd have to manually walk it and inspect the wires with flashlights -- or at least I would!
And it's come out that Homeland Security warned about substation sabotage a week ago -- except that no one has manned substations anymore, haven't for 60-80 years (they are all automated) and it would be cost prohibitive to man them.
But I'm still thinking someone who's p*ssed at Duke Energy....
One other thing -- my guess is that the Drag Queen Venue has single phase service (what houses and small buildings usually have), or if it is a large building, a 3 phase 120/208 service -- or even a multiple of that if it is a very big building with its own transformers.
In any case, it is served by just one (three wire) circuit from just one of the two substations. Each substation will have a bunch of these 3-wire circuits, more in an urban area, less in a rural one, but you don't build a substation for just one circuit!
To believe that BOTH substations were sabotaged to out the power in just one building is asinine....
"and it would be cost prohibitive to man them."
It wouldn't, if they really wanted to. They'd just build a house inside the footprint, and offer the appropriate utility personnel reduced rent to live there.
"‘The power is out in Moore County and I know why.’
She added "The Lord moves in mysterious ways."
Police said she wasn't involved.
Accusing people of crimes based on their race, with absolutely no evidence, is just what Democrats do. It’s sad we have to deal with prejudice like that, but Democrats are just like that.
Professor Volokh, just wanted to say that as a citizen, I appreciate your writing about the nature of free speech at this point in time to the law professor audience, particularly on the need for lawyers to guard it (by defending unpopular POVs that are perfectly legal) whether they agree with the POV or not.
Really, this was timely. It helps me clarify how I think about the concept of free speech. I am watching with great interest the different kinds of free speech cases coming to the courts (circuit, scotus), and the controversies over free speech in law schools. I am concerned...not panicked...but concerned by what is being reported wrt suppression of free speech (esp at law schools).
I do have one question for Conspirators (and for you Professor Volokh). When law professors say 'mainstream view', can you more precisely define what 'mainstream' actually means? Is the definition of 'mainstream' objectively quantifiable? Does it take a certain percentage of law professors to adopt a view and that is 'mainstream'? I would like to better understand what 'mainstream' means to different law professors.
That's a good question. There's "mainstream among the general public", and "mainstream among legal professionals", and they're often quite divergent. Which is intended?
And what's the cutoff for "mainstream"? 60% support? 50? 40? A lot of successful legal movements, (Like SSM being a constitutional right...) had remarkably little support even a couple decades before they triumphed.
Perhaps the intention is to prevent the suppressed views from having any opportunity to become mainstream, and then triumph. In fact, I'd say that probably IS the case much of the time.
On a related tangent -- over 90% of psychologists self identify as being on the "far left" on all cultural issues. The APA actually has done member surveys to determine this.
The problem is the inherent (and growing) disconnect between the "intelligentsia" and the masses. Historically this has led to things ranging from the French Revolution to the Chinese Cultural Revolution -- in both cases with the wholesale massacre of the "intelligentsia" cadre.
There well might be demands to "kill all the lawyers" before this is over -- although what I am more hoping is an Andrew Jackson populist approach of letting anyone take the bar exam, with those who pass being licensed.
It's not that I don't believe you… it's that I don't believe you.
Why would I make this stuff up?
And why would I donate (to you) my time verifying it?
You wouldn't believe me even if I did cite valid sources -- in fact, you haven't in the past.
The same reason you make up all your other stories? Boredom? Attention? Pathology?
I mean, just look at how obviously loony your claim is: nobody self-identifies as "far left." "Far left" is a label that opponents of far-leftism would give it.
People actually DO identify as being on the far left or far right -- and are proud of it.
No. In fact, a common complaint of conservatives about media bias is that the MSM routinely labels right wingers as “far right” but fails to do the equivalent for left wingers. Everyone understands that those are terms of opprobrium.
No, there are people on the left and on the right who actually do embrace the "far". The complaint on the right is that the MSM routinely labels "far right" people who are solidly in the mainstream.
"the suppression takes place precisely because the groups that the suppression is meant to protect have powerful allies—either vocal student advocacy organizations, or often the administration itself"
This point needs to be emphasized.
It's left wing orthodoxy that social "power" doesn't refer to actual power, but instead is assigned on the basis of your group. Wealthy minority members, politicians, members of a local majority, are by definition powerless, while poor majority members being pushed around them have all the power. Again, by definition.
So the fact that the 'minority' here has enough power to get their foes suppressed doesn't render them 'powerful', or said foes powerless.
The simple fact is that there are more White people living in poverty than there are Black people.
You'd never think that listening to the Oppression Theory folks...
The problem with Eugene's discussion of the "Vulnerability of Powerless Minority Groups" is that it takes too sterile a view of the actual debate.
Consider his immigration example. Sure, someone can come in and offer various economic or other arguments against increased immigration. But it's pretty easy for this to slide over into insulting comments about cultural inferiority, "stealing jobs," etc. While it's desirable for students "to hear the best arguments on both side of the issue," they will sometimes hear the worst sides as well.
It's not clear to me what to do about this. I suppose the school should try hard to avoid inviting provocateurs, though it's the sort of thing student groups tend to do.
Regardless, I don't buy EV's benign, hyper-rational view of the issue. A better argument might be that some amount of idiocy and stupidity is a price worth paying for the benefits of the debate.
It's not clear to me that the school particularly SHOULD do anything about that hypothetical threat. The students will, I assume, eventually graduate into the larger world, where everything they hear will NOT be vetted to carefully avoid offending their sensibilities. (God, I hope it won't be, in a few years!)
Shouldn't they be encouraged to toughen up a bit?
The students will, I assume, eventually graduate into the larger world, where everything they hear will NOT be vetted to carefully avoid offending their sensibilities.
Shouldn’t they be encouraged to toughen up a bit?
I rather imagine the students already live in that world, and have a good deal of experience getting "toughened" against it. No need to toughen further. And maybe some of those who don't need the toughening could usefully try to understand why some things are offensive. That's learning too.
Well, if they’re already properly toughened up, their precious feelings don’t need to be catered to. And if they’re not toughened up, their precious feelings actively need to NOT be catered to, so that they’ll get some remedial toughening up in.
“And maybe some of those who don’t need the toughening could usefully try to understand why some things are offensive.”
Again, “offensive” isn’t a property of the speech. Being offended is an activity on the part of the listener. Maybe sometimes it's a reasonable activity, but it's something THEY are doing, not the speaker.
What you’re urging is just a variant of the heckler’s veto, where people claim to be offended, instead of yelling, to shut down speech they don’t like.
Actually, I'm not suggesting anything of the sort. I'm trying to say the EV's analysis of this issue is, as I said, sterile. It ignores the reality of discussions of controversial issues. As a result, it is, to me, pretty unconvincing, trying to argue more or less that the problem doesn't exist.
Well, if they’re already properly toughened up, their precious feelings don’t need to be catered to.
WTF? It's OK to insult people who have been insulted often already?
Again, “offensive” isn’t a property of the speech. Being offended is an activity on the part of the listener. Maybe sometimes it’s a reasonable activity, but it’s something THEY are doing, not the speaker.
Of course it can be a property of speech. I mean, some speakers set out to be deliberately offensive. Being offended is not an "activity," it's a reaction, and often not a voluntary one.
And stop with the "precious feelings" crap. It's really obnoxious coming from right-wingers, who constantly complain that "elites" don't respect them, and hate it when someone refers to "flyover country."
C. Risk of Persuasiveness
The purpose of speech is to have an effect on others.
So the risk of speech is the purpose of speech.
In this context, it sounds like a military junta banning CNN because it gets directly to The People without government there to give it context For Their Sensibilities.
Every discussion of this topic should include a reminder that only offensive speech needs protection. I like the following one, in the university campus context.
“Freedom of speech gives us the right to offend others, whereas freedom of thought gives them the choice as to whether or not to be offended.”
― Mokokoma Mokhonoana
“Freedom of speech gives us the right to offend others. . . . ”
I disagree with that.
I can’t force you to listen/read/be exposed to my speech.
You don’t have to read my social media.
You can mute me here at VC.
There is no “right” to offend others.
The problem is that saying "offend others" mis-states what is going on. What is going on is that people are taking offense.
Now, that's not a critical distinction so long as we're talking consensus offense. When almost everybody would take offense at something, saying that somebody is "being offensive" is a useful shorthand.
Once you get into a situation where people chose to take offense at things most people wouldn't find offensive, rather transparently in order to control the dialogue? It becomes important to understand where the 'offense' is originating.
I can agree with that but someone choosing to be offended is not the same as someone having a right to offend someone else.
But, again, the "offend somebody else" terminology is only really useful for consensus offense. If you extend it to all offense, you're essentially implementing a form of heckler's veto, where people can chose to be thin skinned in order to control what others are allowed to say.
There's a lot of that going on today.
So I can't mute you since that would be a heckler's veto?
You can't demand that I mute myself to avoid offending you.
When almost everybody would take offense at something, saying that somebody is “being offensive” is a useful shorthand.
Once you get into a situation where people chose to take offense at things most people wouldn’t find offensive, rather transparently in order to control the dialogue? It becomes important to understand where the ‘offense’ is originating.
This is a little murky. For example, I think that I, being Jewish, might reasonably find offensive things that most people wouldn’t, maybe because they never thought about it. Besides, being offended is not necessarily, or even usually, IMO, a choice. It can easily be a legitimate visceral response, not a carefully arrived at decision.
I think it is important to understand the offendee's POV before dismissing them as having chosen to be offended. Telling others their emotional reactions are foolish is not to be done lightly.
“Besides, being offended is not necessarily, or even usually, IMO, a choice. It can easily be a legitimate visceral response, not a carefully arrived at decision.”
I can’t really agree with that. Being offended is very much like getting angry; It starts out on the level of a reflex, but it is very much under your control if you bother to learn how to control it, and you ought to do so if you mean to be fit for adult society.
Society accepts that people get angry at things that there is a consensus people ought to get angry about, like your mother being insulted, or somebody spitting in your face, so you’re not expected to learn to control your temper under such provocations. OTOH, society doesn’t accept that you get enraged over the guy in front of you not taking that optional right turn on red, or taking the last breath mint.
Taking offense is similar in this regard.
What’s going on here is that people who have a very non-consensus idea of when it is appropriate to be offended are trying to MAKE their notion of it into the consensus notion, by imposing consequences on people who act outside their preferred range of behavior. And they’re doing this in an attempt to control and channel public discourse.
It really is just a form of heckler’s veto.
The trouble with your analysis is that you don't consider it reasonable to be offended unless there is consensus that whatever it is is offensive.
Bullshit. Most people aren't Black, or homosexual, or Jewish, or Latino, or whatever. So they often won't have the experience that makes something offensive to members of minority groups.
What you are positing is just another version of the whole "real America" business. If white evangelicals don't find something offensive, it's not.
"The trouble with your analysis is that you don’t consider it reasonable to be offended unless there is consensus that whatever it is is offensive."
Kind of by definition, yes. Be offended by anything you like if you live alone in the wilderness, but get a grip if you plan on living in society.
You are completely wrong, Brett.
What you really want is for no one to be able to claim to be offended unless you yourself agree that they have reason to be.
The problem with Bernard11's argument is that 400% of the population is ALREADY in a protected group and this would continue to progress to the point where this inexorably approaches infinity.
They will respond that hearing or allowing the wrong message to be heard will cause some students to be injured and/or killed.
I don’t think you have adequately addressed that. Good luck trying to persuade people who believe it as an article of faith. Or those who pretend to believe it.
It is difficult to square Prof. Volokh's expressed opinions in this regard with his record of viewpoint-driven censorship at his blog.
Unless perhaps one considers the 'I choose the position that benefits conservatives' approach.
Do they still do moot courts, where teams of students take different sides of what may be a hot-button issue? And where students may be assigned to defend a position they don’t agree with? And get judged, I presume, based on professionalism and persuasiveness?
Now, I’m not saying a moot court should be a prerequisite to graduation. Some students wouldn’t want to take the risk of being assigned the wrong side. But it would be a good resume-booster for those students who choose to participate.
Of course, they’d have to sign waiver forms acknowledging the risk of offense, triggering, and the like.
Then hold the final event in public and measure the reaction of the audience. After all, many real-world legal arguments are done before audiences of regular citizens.
Prof. Blackman has a moot court every year, with teams and prizes.
Last year's prize was a signed photograph of his Work-from-Home set up (three big screens!).
What's the prize at Yale? A Lexus? Or is that merely the third prize?
Because remember, if a law school expresses preference for "Genocide is bad" over "I'm down with genocide against that group, actually", they're the real bigots.