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Comparing the Orders Appointing Special Counsel Mueller and Special Counsel Smith
Mueller could only prosecute if it was "necessary and appropriate." Smith has no such constraint.
Today Attorney General Garland appointed a special counsel John L. Smith. The intent is clear: to allow the investigation and prosecution of Donald Trump to continue during the presidential campaign.
Paragraph (c) specifically references the ongoing investigation concerning Mar-A-Lago:
(c) The Special Counsel is further authorized to conduct the ongoing investigation referenced and described in the United States' Response to Motion for Judicial Oversight and Additional Relief, DonaldJ Trump v. United States, No. 9:22-CV-81294-AMC (S.D. Fla. Aug. 30, 2022) (ECF No. 48 at 5-13), as well as any matters that arose or may arise directly from this investigation or that are within the scope of28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).
And paragraph (b) includes the entire January 6 kit-and-caboodle:
(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the ongoing investigation into whether any person or entity violated the law in connection with efforts to interfere with the lawful transfer of power following the 2020 presidential election or the certification of the Electoral College vote held on or about January 6, 2021, as well as any matters that arose or might arise directly from this investigation or that are within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).
To make the point clear that this order concerns Trump, the special counsel does not have authority over the many pending cases of those who actually entered the Capitol on January 6. President Trump was not one of those people.
This authorization does not apply to prosecutions that are currently pending in the District of Columbia, as well as future investigations and prosecutions of individuals for offenses they committed while physically present on the Capitol grounds on January 6, 2021. Those investigations and prosecutions remain under the authority of the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia. Further delineation of the authorizations between the Special Counsel and the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia will be provided as necessary and appropriate.
The order appointing Smith, like the order appointing Robert Mueller, references the same suite of federal regulations:
(e) Sections 600.4 to 600.10 of title 28 of the Code ofFederal Regulations are applicable to the Special Counsel.
I wrote about these regulations for Lawfare in 2017.
But there is one huge difference between the orders. Acting Attorney General Rod Rosenstein's order put a limit on Mueller's prosecutorial authority:
If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.
Prosecution must be both "necessary and and appropriate." Really "necessary" is a higher bar than "appropriate," so the former is the controlling term.
Attorney General Barr's order appointing John Durham also included the "necessary and appropriate" language.
And going further back, Section 594 of the now-lapsed Independent Counsel Statute places a "necessary" tag on the power to prosecute:
"(a) AUTHORITIES.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law, an independent counsel appointed under this chapter shall have, with respect to all matters in such independent counsel's prosecutorial jurisdiction established under this chapter, full power and independent authority to exercise all investigative and prosecutorial functions and powers of the Department of Justice, the Attorney General, and any other officer or employee of the Department of Justice, except that the Attorney General shall exercise direction or control as to those matters that specifically require the Attorney General's personal action under section 2516 of title 18. Such investigative and prosecutorial functions and powers shall include—
"(1) conducting proceedings before grand juries and other investigations;
"(2) participating in court proceedings and engaging in any litigation, including civil and criminal matters, that such independent counsel considers necessary;
By contrast, Attorney General Garland's order has no such requirement that the prosecution be "necessary":
The Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters. The Special Counsel is also authorized to refer to the appropriate United States Attorney discrete prosecutions that may arise from the Special Counsel's investigation.
The prosecution need not be "necessary." Smith has a green light to indict Trump.
Justice Scalia's admonition in Morrison v. Olson about the independent counsel aptly describes our present moment:
As I observed earlier, in the nature of things, this has to be done by finding lawyers who are willing to lay aside their current careers for an indeterminate amount of time, to take on a job that has no prospect of permanence and little prospect for promotion. One thing is certain, however: it involves investigating and perhaps prosecuting a particular individual. Can one imagine a less equitable manner of fulfilling the Executive responsibility to investigate and prosecute? What would be the reaction if, in an area not covered by this statute, the Justice Department posted a public notice inviting applicants to assist in an investigation and possible prosecution of a certain prominent person? Does this not invite what Justice Jackson described as "picking the man and then searching the law books, or putting investigators to work, to pin some offense on him"?
It is painfully clear that Garland appointed Smith for one reason, and one reason alone: "prosecuting a particular individual" named Donald J. Trump.
Looking back, I regret the amount of time I wasted on the Mueller investigation. I lost track of how many blog posts, articles, and interviews I did on the topic. And ultimately, it all led to nothing. We will see what Special Counsel Smith's mandate yields.
Update: I have updated this post to include references to Durham's appointment and the now-lapsed independent counsel statute.
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The Muller investigation did not lead to nothing. It exposed the corruption of the FBI and the DOJ so that this corruption and partisan bias are now indisputable to any fair minded observer. The uncovering of a Stalinesque show trial is the first step in freedom from them. We are no longer a nation of laws. We are a nation of political persecution at the will and pleasure of the DC jury pool.
Oh, yes. The FBI was all clearly in the tank for Hillary and her Democratic co-conspirators, playing dirty against the GOP and the pure-as-the-driven-snow Trump.
Behold again the MAGA cognitive process.
Then they were firing a lot of high level FBI folks because -- why?
Gee Ed, why don't you just go ahead and share your conspiracy de jour?
Clearly you have one, so don't keep us in suspense.
There were several people on the level of Andrew McCabe who were fired -- and I remember something about McCabe possibly not getting his pension due to misconduct.
Just sayin....
Wait, you're citing Donald Trump firing people who were investigating him as proof they shouldn't have been investigating him?
The FBI abused its discretion at every turn. It's not that Trump was an innocent child, but that a grievous double standard was used at every turn.
Did anybody at the FBI text each other about their efforts to keep Hillary from getting elected? Did they ever offer immunity to someone in Trump's circle before issuing a subpoena or executing a search warrant?
As fully expected, Trump announced his 2024 candidacy in large part because he believed it would grant him some level of immunity to prosecution. If the judge doesn't go along with it the MAGA base sure as hell will, and the GOP is terrified of them. And it had the predictable effect on Garland.
I have mixed feelings about the Social Counsel. Trump is so abundantly clearly guilty just going by the public record of his conduct so it is hard to understand why the DOJ has not already gone forward with at least one indictment. That would have happened with any other defendant, so this looks a lot like Garland just didn't want to take the heat for it. (Any other defendant would have been arrested and booked during the MAL raid itself.)
That means if Garland was trying to avoid appearing to be committing a political act then his effort was futile and wasted. Failing to indict Trump at this point is a bigger political act that prosecuting him would ever have been. The only difference is who is offended, and the clear choice in Washington is Republicans Must Not Be Offended.
But Special Counsel is needed to get the job done then so be it.
"As fully expected, Trump announced his 2024 candidacy in large part because he believed it would grant him some level of immunity to prosecution."
Oh, yes. Trump clearly had no intention of pursuing political office again, and was rousted from his retirement to private life by the fear of imminent prosecution.
Behold again the leftist cognitive process.
You're really quite bad at critical thinking.
You are really quite bad at sarcasm detection.
It isn’t sarcasm when the statement he’s attempting to mock is generally true.
One of the reasons Trump is running again is the hope it will shield him from accountability.
Trump is running again for one reason and only one reason. His massive fucking ego. You could take his ego and divide it among 100,000 people with poor self images and they’d immediately become normal happy people.
'His ego' and 'presumes it will grant him immunity' are not incompatible.
"His massive fucking ego. "
Indeed. He did not need any other reason.
The sooner he is gone, the better.
I am less certain about that, Don Nico.
Going from Trump running "in large part" to frustrate his prosecution in the OP to you characterizing it as "one of the reasons". This is what's known as moving the goalposts.
How many other 'Republicans' have announced their campaign for 2024 President already?
Trump's ego is not to be dismissed, but you are arguing over a subjective interpretation of 'large.'
The lackluster announcement and speech, combined with the timing, strongly suggest that he is doing this, in large part, to try and avoid prosecution or make it look political.
He avoided prosecution in the Mueller report because of DOJ's 'policy' of not indicting sitting Presidents. He avoided prosecution for being un-indicted co-conspirator #1 in the Cohen case.
He is absolutely trying to shield himself again.
Avoid prosecution for what? You fascist sociopaths are always barking like mad to imprison him, but you're never clear about for what.
Did Trump's son arrange pay to play with him? Did he have the FBI and CIA illegally spy on political opponents? Did he request that the military institute a military coup and remove Biden from the chain of command?
If he really did consider potential prosecution as part of his decision, I think it wasn't the only reason, and probably not the main reason.
I read an opinion article recently that noted that Trump just didn't seem to be having fun during his recent announcement the way that he did throughout the 2016 campaign. The point of that article was to note that he was much less likely to draw the same level of support without the carnival fun-time atmosphere of 2016 and 2020.
My own opinion is that running in 2024 is a desperate attempt to remain relevant and maybe to keep the money train of donations rolling. The latter I am less certain actually plays in his favor though, since he will have to adhere to campaign finance laws (weak as they are) now that he has announced.
He may or may not have decided to run again absent the legal issues.
But announcing 2 years before the election is an attempt to politicize and slow down the legal proceedings as much as possible.
Trying to stay relevant is probably the other reason.
What about Hillary?
She wasn't prosecuted and I think that was the right decision because prosecuting anyone at that level is both inherently political and inherently incendiary. It's why I think Gerald Ford was wise to pardon Nixon and why we should ignore Obama's somewhat questionable birth certificate.
It's why I am of two minds about investigating Orgy Island and you kinda know that there had to be powerful people involved in that mess.
Prosecuting Trump for Jan 6th or having anything other than a live nuke at MAL simply is not worth it, it is not worth what it will inherently do to the country. Even if (a) he is actually guilty, (b) you can actually get a conviction and (c) SCOTUS won't toss it out.
The Constitution says a "jury of ones peers" and "peers" had a specific meaning in the 19th Century that it doesn't now.
A DC Jury clearly is not a jury of Trump's "peers" and while I have no idea if it has ever been litigated, but imagine Trump being convicted by a DC jury and then appealing on the same grounds that Black defendants appealed all-White juries, which were equally biased against them.
Could be interesting...
Where are we going to find 12 man-babies?
Seems there are quite a lot of them on college campuses.
In the faculty lounges...
The Constitution says nothing about one's peers. Read the Sixth Amendment.
You should understand that the Magna Carta protects the Trump family, parts of it specifically mention Barrons.
“The Constitution says nothing about one’s peers. Read the Sixth Amendment.”
True — but LII (Cornell Law) says that it’s essentially implied. See: https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/Jury_of_one's_peers
On a tangent, as to the allegations against Trump relating to January 6th, is his offer to provide 10,000 “National Guard” troops to Pelosi — an offer she refused — exculpatory? Common sense is that it would be, but the law doesn’t always correspond.
NB: As President, he couldn’t provide “National Guard” troops because only a Governor can, and only to another Governor (or the Mayor of DC). He could “Federalize” them (like Eisenhower did) and then send them — and there were changes in the Posse Comotois act after 9-11 because they had to send unarmed Air Guard planes from Cape Cod after the hijacked planes rather than armed active duty planes that were several hundred miles closer. (The ANG pilots later stated that their orders were to ram the hijacked plane.)
And since it was Capitol Hill, even the DC Mayor couldn't accept the help, only Pelosi could -- and didn't.
He did not offer 10,000 troops and Pelosi did not reject them.
You are still nothing but a liar.
https://www.thebulwark.com/trumps-jan-6th-national-guard-lie-crumbles/
If you don’t like that site, search for yourself about Miller’s testimony.
If that search isn’t enough, check the DC National Guard webpage for whom they directly report to.
It isn’t anyone named Pelosi - it’s actually the only Guard unit that reports directly to the Commander-in-Chief.
Let me check my notes here…
Oh, it says here that happened to have been Trump.
I read the article -- it makes no reference as to what Trump may have offered to do.
I don't know about you, but if someone tells me "no thank you", I take the person at his/her/its word. Pelosi didn't want the Guard, and likely would have made an issue of him producing them if he had done so.
Maybe the purported crime would be that he sent 10,000 Guardsmen to Capitol Hill....
Now one other thing that no one is mentioning -- people in the Guard have day jobs. Many are first responders, i.e. police, fire, & ambulance. And in many cases they are more needed there than standing around in khaki and offering to help do the jobs they already are doing.
You pull Guard in the middle of the day and you are pulling uniformed police officers (that you need) out of cruisers in the middle of the shift -- and then what???
And the reason why you have so many public sector folks in the Guard is (in addition to the public sector being Guard friendly) is that they get credit toward retirement for all their military time. So you're not just pulling guys out of Home Depot when you call up the Guard...
I see.
So you're going to abandon the now-disproven lie that Trump ordered 10,000 troops and Pelosi rejected it, and instead create your own new lie that he offered to do so.
Ah, the living Constitution, which contains extra words not in the text.
1) Trump did not offer NG to Pelosi.
2) Trump could indeed provide DC NG troops; the mayor of DC could not.
3) None of what you write about 9/11 (other than that planes in the air were unarmed) is correct.
4) Pelosi had no authority to reject DC NG troops if the president had sent them.
5) Why do you right wing loons think that "only Pelosi" could do anything? You realize that there are two co-equal houses of Congress, right?
Sigh. Are you ever right about anything? The word "peers" appears precisely nowhere in the Constitution.
How about no prosecution of and no holding of public office for Trump?
I somehow suspect that is what was done to Michelle Bachmann.
"and why we should ignore Obama’s somewhat questionable birth certificate"
Wait, there are still birthers? What is wrong with people?
"Trump is so abundantly clearly guilty just going by the public record of his conduct so it is hard to understand why the DOJ has not already gone forward with at least one indictment"
Perhaps because he is not quite so abundantly clearly guilty, as assessed by those people who actually need to prosecute the crime.
If it was anybody else but Trump, he’d have been indicted by now, and tried to verdict. You’re ignoring how unprecedented this situation is, and how destabilizing it might be to our democracy no matter how clearly guilty he is, in fact it would be destabilizing even if he proudly admitted guilt, making conviction a foregone conclusion if the process went forward.
If it was anybody else but Trump, he’d have been indicted by now, and tried to verdict.
We have a copy of a letter, signed by Obama to the National archives telling them He has all of his presidential records, including classified documents secured in a wharehouse in Chicago.
I'm unaware of the FBI raiding the wharehouse.
No. No President has been raided for what he took when leaving the White House.
“If it was anybody else but Trump, he’d have been indicted by now, and tried to verdict.” —On what charge exactly? Try picking just one for now, just to keep a hint of a linear conversation.
“You’re ignoring how unprecedented this situation is” –If you’re trying to charge someone with a crime, precedence is actually a good thing. Examples in the past of how someone who did this thing was prosecuted. When you’re attempting to charge someone for a crime that is “unprecedented” …it creates a number of issues.
“how destabilizing it might be to our democracy” –Destabilizing to our democracy is not actually a crime. Nor should it be, in my opinion. I shudder to think of a government that could charge people with “Destabilizing to our democracy” as a crime, and how that could be used to crush dissent.
Today Trump said 1) prosecuting him would be like "double jeopardy" after his impeachment and 2) he will "refuse to partake" in his prosecution.
He exhibited about the same level of understanding of the legal system as you just did of my comment. Except you're not an idiot so for you it's less forgivable.
What exactly do you think that I said was an issue?
Again, if you want to have Trump be legally guilty, you need a crime for him to be legally guilty of.
If it's a crime anyone else would've been charged with...then it's good if the crime in question was actually something someone else in a similar situation had been charged with and convicted of.
Take your pick.
https://www.justsecurity.org/84168/mar-a-lago-model-prosecution-memo/
"Trump is so abundantly clearly guilty just going by the public record of his conduct so it is hard to understand why the DOJ has not already gone forward with at least one indictment. That would have happened with any other defendant . . . ."
As Prof. Volokh explained on January 7, 2021, Trump's speech on January 6 would clearly be protected from criminal prosecution if uttered by a private citizen. As to his other conduct in regard to the election, no one who wasn't directly involved in the Capitol invasion has been indicted, so it seems that Trump is being treated the same as every other [potential] defendant.
We're talking about his making off with classified files.
If you're talking about his "making off with classified files", the clearest example of someone who wasn't charged in a similar situation was that of Hillary Clinton. She "made off with" number of classified E-mails, made copies of them, and handed them to other people who weren't cleared to review them. But she wasn't even charged.
(And yes, they were classified.)
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/press-release-new-hillary-bombshell-22-emails-were-too-damaging-national-security-ever-be
Those were, of course, not classified until after the fact.
DMN has run you through this in detail, IIRC. Did you forget?
That is incorrect. Some were classified at the time they were sent.
The classified emails that Clinton mishandled were a handful of emails among thousands that weren't clearly marked and I think were originally sent to her by other people.
Trump's docs were very obviously classified, and even if you accept Trump's secret declassification argument (that he never revealed until the raid) there's still the very serious issue of him deliberately hiding moving and hiding documents from his lawyers and federal government.
Responding to a subpoena by hiding docs so your lawyer won't find them will get you a ticket to the big house every day of the week.
Not lying to the FBI about very, very material facts is part of "how not to go to prison 101" ...
You'd think a "stable genius" would know that.
Simply having a bunch of classified material mixed in with non-classified information doesn't eliminate the offense.
And if you're worried about moving and hiding information, consider that rather than turn over the entire server with all the e-mails to the FBI, upon realizing her error, Hillary instead only provided a selection of the e-mails, deleting the rest beyond recovery from her server. Some of those deleted e-mails have been recovered from other parties, and yes, there was work-related information in them.
But again...no charges there. Which makes charges in the Trump case...let alone a guilty verdict...problematic.
Hey, let's subject him to the same level of investigation and hearings and testimony if they're so completely similar.
"making off with classified files"--I don't know too much about this field: are there lots of people who had security clearances who had classified files at home and were criminally charged? Citations? I thought that sort of thing usually produced a reprimand.
I believe that if you are in the government and have authorized possession of the documents it would be reprimand-worthy.
If you are not in the government and the type of documents you have require you to be a certain type of government official (compartmentalized information) or belong, classified or not, to the United States, that's probably a different conversation altogether.
Now imagine that the documents that you have in your possession (without being one of the people authorized to possess them) should have been returned months ago when they were legally asked for. And to prevent it, you (and/or your lawyers) lied about complying.
What happens then?
"are there lots of people who had security clearances who had classified files at home and were criminally charged? "
There are several prominent examples: John Deutsch, Sandy Berger, being two.
Most people who carelessly mishandle classified information get hit with administrative penalties: they get suspended or fired, their clearance gets revoked. Only when you do more do you get prosecuted. As Comey said when announcing his opinion about the Hillary investigation:
But we do see all of those elements in the Trump situation.
No, with stealing government documents. The classified angle may play a role in some sort of other prosecution, or not, but that's not what the current investigation is chiefly about.
Donald Trump is textbook ADHD and hence says (or tweets) rather stupid things with some degree of frequency. But he never explicitly encouraged insurrection, he never explicitly incited rioting.
But he could -- and it would happen if he ever did. And if he is pushed far enough, if he sees that the system is so truly rigged that he will never get a fair hearing, he might just.
Be scared, be very scared -- there was a reason why Washington pardoned Daniel Shays and his men. And if the left makes a martyr out of Trump, it would be the same as making a martyr out of Obama, and for the very same reasons.
"The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the ongoing investigation into whether any person or entity violated the law in connection with efforts to interfere with the lawful transfer of power following the 2020 presidential election or the certification of the Electoral College vote held on or about January 6, 2021, as well as any matters that arose or might arise directly from this investigation or that are within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a)."
Could this include Nancy Pelosi's decision to sabotage the police protection of the Capitol on January 6th? She was running the CHPD and they essentially stood down -- the Chief fell on his sword but if they are going to go after Trump for calling for a "peaceful and patriotic" protest, then why can't they go after Pelosi?
Nancy Pelosi does not run the Capitol Hill Police Department.
She also did not sabotage anything.
Your 'contributions' have not been missed.
Actually, she does. (Or did.)
"The Chief reports directly to the Capitol Police Board" and "The Capitol Police Board consists of the Sergeant at Arms of the U.S. House of Representatives, the Sergeant at Arms and Doorkeeper of the U.S. Senate, and the Architect of the Capitol. The Chief of the United States Capitol Police serves in an ex-officio non-voting capacity. The Chairmanship alternates annually between the House and Senate Sergeants at Arms."
And whom do you think the House Sargent at Arms serves at the pleasure of?
https://www.uscp.gov/the-department/oversight/capitol-police-board
And https://www.uscp.gov/the-department/executive-team
Actually, she doesn't. You "helpfully" provide two web links.
Notably absent from those CHPD web sites: mention of either the Speaker of the House generally, or Ms. Pelosi in particular.
Facts actually matter, you know. The real ones, not the ones in your fever-dream imagination.
So to be clear, Pelosi is not on the Board, and was not on the Board on January 6th, 2021.
Maybe you shouldn't get your 'facts' from Gym Jordan and random fools on Facebook.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/07/27/fact-check-nancy-pelosi-isnt-in-charge-capitol-police/8082088002/
Idiot.
The Capitol Police Board is made up of the House and Senate sergeants-at-arms, as well as the Capitol architect.
And, the Capitol Police Board is provided for in the Constitution. Wait...nope. Not in there at all.
So the House and Senate Sargent at Arms are constitutional positions, right there in artica....my bad. Not there either. I'll Look for the congressional appointment hearings for those positions. Nope. No appointment hearings.
There is reporting that the Chairman of the Capital Police Committee rotates between the Senate and House Sargent at Arms.
We know those positions serve at the pleasure. of the respective leaders of those two Chambers.
Now.
You want us all to believe that Pelosi, (it was the House Sargent at Arms chairing the Committee for this session of Congress) had no involvement in refusing the Presidents offer of 10,000 National Guard troops.
Yes Pelosi made direct decisions concerning security on Jan 6. Dumping all of her communications will document, what all sentient people know to be true.
Your theory is that the Capitol Police are too dysfunctional to communicate with their supervisors about an event that was massively hyped as a protest and potential flashpoint?
Bingo!
I believe that what I said is that "Dr." Ed is a liar, and that Nancy Pelosi does not run the CHPD.
I've also proven both of my assertions to be correct.
Try again.
No. None of this is neutral. They're not trying to find anything out. They’re trying to see if they can tell a convincing enough story to finally destroy Orange Man Bad.
There's never even a whiff of fairness or evenhandedness in anything these guys do. Why do non-leftists keep making this same mistake?
And what do the leftists think will happen if they are successful in making Trump into a martyr.
Leftists only tell themselves stories where they’re the heroes and they win. They can’t contemplate any comeuppance. They are definitively anti-humble in all things, always.
That’s why they never hesitate to meddle in others' lives. Because they know it will work out. And when it doesn’t and they cause a lot of damage, they just lock that away, say it never happened, and go on to do more, different meddling.
If he is martyred, Trump wins the nomination. That's good for Biden because Trump is the easiest Republican to beat. But it is potentially vary bad for the nation because Trump could win and he is far worse than any other Republican.
"Trump is the easiest Republican to beat" That's what President Hillary Rodman thought too. OK, Senescent Joe did steal it fair and square, tough to repeat, especially as it's very questionable if he'll still be alive, much less any less demented, in 2024 (not a threat, you think I want Common-law Harris? just facing actuarial facts)
Frank
I have long maintained that HRC v. Trump was a battle of the two worst candidates that either party could have chosen.
Any decent (R) would have wiped the floor with HRC; it wouldn't have been close. Trump won, yes, but he hardly had Ronald Reagan-level victory margins.
But any decent (D) would also have wiped the floor with Trump.
One of them had to win, but that didn't make either one of them a "good" candidate.
I second that opinion and will add that Trump is even weaker now in light of Jan 6. But, he can still win if the economy is in the tank come 2024.
"Any decent (R) would have wiped the floor with HRC"?
Strange that none could come close to "45" Jeb(!) couldn't beat his shadow, trying to remember who was the last to fall? Rafael Cruz? who was outraged, OUTRAGED!, that "45" posted a photo of Mrs. Rafael after Rafael (OK, his SIG) posted a nude photo of Melania.
and besides being from Canada, Rafael hasn't had the best political instincts over the years, running to Cancun during a Blizzard, growing that ridiculous Saul Berenson facial hair (you know it's bad when Steve Bannon has a better look) ,
Who else? Lindsay Buckingham-Nicks Graham?? Come out of the closet already, it's 2022...
That being said, I like Disanto
Frank "Revenge is a dish best served January 20, 2025"
You can be the clear favorite to win the Republican nomination and still be the worst general election candidate.
Like Mitt Romeney in 0-12"?? Good Point!
A martyr?
The only people who would regard him as a martyr are the gullible fools who send him money, vote for him, and swallow his endless stream of lies.
And they are beyond hope.
And about 40% of the electorate...
or 56.5% of the Erectoral Vote, which is how we erect POTUS's in this country, might want to revisit your 11th grade Government class... (would have been 56.9% except 2 Texas Erectors pledged to "45" voted for Kasich and Ron Paul (more erectoral votes than Bernie/Ralph Nader/Perot combined) can't complain, Hilary Rodman lost more votes, to Colon-blow Powell, Faith Spotted Eagle and Bernie)
Frank "Strict Constitutionalist"
They think it would be worse to show he's above the law.
I think there will be a big trucker's strike! LOL!
Stop diagnosing people over the Internet.
Stop using your diagnoses as excuses.
didn't realize you were a Medical Professional.
My bad -- I should have said that his behavior is textbook, not that he is.
I used to jerk-off in textbooks, hey, it was Highschool, where else are you gonna umm, (redacted)?? not healthy to get all "Backed up" Used to wonder if anyone ever encountered my "Contributions"
Frank "Umm, probably should pass on "The Sound and the Fury"
Trump directed an angry mob at Congress, some of whom he knew to be armed, with the express purpose of stopping the ratification (peacefully on not, that was his intent).
Then, when they invaded the Capitol and there was significant fear for the life of legislators, including his VP whom the crowed was chanting to hang, he sat back, enjoyed the show, and even approved of their actions (though was quiet publicly).
It was only after extreme pressure and once the legislators were secure that Trump agreed to call for the crowd to leave.
I don't know if he actually intended for the attempted insurrection, but once it started I think I think there's a fairly decent case to be made that he was well on board.
Sure. When he told people they had to fight like hell to keep the election from being stolen, he meant that they should write strongly worded letters to the editor.
You’d think obsessed Trump-haters might someday snap out of it. They’ve been seething near the brink of insanity for 6 years now. But they just keep going.
The walls are closing in on Trump now for sure.
They're playing with fire -- and the sad thing is that I don't think they realize it.
If it works it clears the way for De Santis, who is a better candidate than Trump.
If it doesn’t (like it didn’t the last 3 or 4 times) it clearly shows Americans that the government in Washington is pathetic and a hostile enemy to at least half of the American people. Everything Trump says — even the stuff that’s obviously wrong — is thereby validated.
The thesis of Harvard professor Harvey A. Silverglate’s Three Felonies a Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent (2009) is that that the country is so awash in countless federal criminal statutes, the average professional unknowingly commits an average of three felonies a day. The investigation of Donald Trump undermines that thesis. Never in this country’s has an army of openly hostile prosecutors expended so much time, energy, and resources with the goal of finding something – anything – to charge Donald Trump with. And they came up empty. The only thing they accomplished was destroying the reputation of the Justice Department (particularly the FBI).
If this investigation is legitimate, then the special prosecutor will endeavor to conclude it in a speedy manner, perhaps a few months at most. If it is a farcical, political witch hunt, it will drag on and on into the 2024 election season. If I were a betting man, I’d wager on the latter.
> If this investigation is legitimate, then the special prosecutor will endeavor to conclude it in a speedy manner, perhaps a few months at most
That is what I thought when they started after Trump 6 years ago.
But since he has not even been indicted, the only possible conclusion is that he is the cleanest businessman alive.
I don't know that it's so much "empty" as "not enough to politically move the needle."
Silverglate's typical felonies were technical and trifling, which was his point. Though they've sent up various trial balloons, I think the gotta-get-Trump crowd ultimately realizes prosecuting Trump for touching his nose when they didn't say Simon Says just reinforces Trump's core message and thus is a net loser. So they keep trying to amp up the offenses to something that sounds bad enough to gain traction with the crowd, but then they can't convert.
Recall the trajectory here: "OMG HE KEPT PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS" went to "OMG HE KEPT CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS" went to "OMG HE STOLE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS" went to "OMG HE STOLE NOOOCLEAR SECRETS TO SELL," after which presumably the focus groups finally gave a thumbs-up and they took their foot off the gas. Then, scarcely a week after the election and the day before Trump announced, they affirmatively folded and basically said "yeah, guess it was just some vanity souvenirs."
So I'm ultimately with you: though we may see a few two-bit referrals of others in the food chain to keep the flames fanned along the way, the most likely outcome is a report declining to prosecute -- probably in the neighborhood of February 2025.
I think you missed all the efforts to go after Democrats like Hillary Clinton or the FBI itself with the Durham investigation. These were investigation with far less cause and resulted as expected with nothing.
Respectfully, I think you misunderstand both Harvey's thesis and where the title came from.
"Every Soviet citizen committed at least three felonies a day, because the criminal statutes were written so broadly as to cover ordinary day-to-day activities. The Communist Party decided whom to prosecute from among the millions of possible criminals. They picked dissidents, refuseniks, and others who posed political dangers to the system. This began under Stalin when his KGB head, Lavrenti Beria, infamously said, “Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime.”
I fear you are right about the witch hunt, though.
Maybe I'm missing something. But the argument seems to be "Manipulative Merrick Garland has appointed this special investigator with the specific, intention that the special investigator will prosecute Trump."
But if Merrick Garland wants Trump to be prosecuted, can't he just do it himself? Isn't that what attorneys general do? Why does he need a special investigator or special prosecutor?
It's viewed as a conflict of interest for the AG to be investigating the political opponent of the current President. If the investigation succeeds, it directly benefits the current President, who will likely keep the AG on as AG.
So in a way, the AG's job depends on him "finding" the proper proof. That's viewed as a conflict of interest. In addition, the Special Counsel would transition through administrations, where the current AG wouldn't, allowing an investigation and prosecution to continue.
And yes, it doesn't make a ton of sense for Trump to actually officially need to say he's running to trigger the ethical concerns. But, the line needs to be set somewhere.
That's what I thought! Naming a special counsel is to make the whole thing LESS partisan.
Blackman’s post is a reach. The issue isn’t those three words, but the ethics and character of the appointee. For instance:
(1) If he’s like Mueller, he’ll handle an extraordinarily broad scope of inquiry quickly and efficiently, keeping his investigation out of the media, presenting his conclusions in the shortest possible time, arriving at those conclusions with prosecutorial restraint and logical rigor.
(2) If he’s like Durham, his investigation will be three-parts press release / public relations for every one-part investigation. He’ll flail around looking for someone to charge, just to have a venue for his gaseous speeches. Consequentially, he’ll try cases on the flimsiest possible basis and lose repeatedly. His entire tenure will be insubstantial as the colorless, odorless, weightless ether – at least until he writes a bullshit final report. Plus he’ll need to get fitted for clown shoes and a red rubber nose.
(3) If he’s like Kavanaugh and his Foster investigation, he’ll just be corrupt. He’ll approach his job with total contempt for the law, his appointed office, and all the responsibilities they bring. He’ll drag out his faux-inquiry for years, producing nothing in the end but margin notes in a report that existed before he began. He’ll put people through endless hell, and then later gleefully admit he knew the final answer all along. He’ll be the crudest of partisan hacks, perhaps the second-worst of all time.
Because no Special Counsel Investigator will ever be more of a disgrace than Kavanaugh.
Correction:
If he's like Mueller, he will be a doddering figurehead who is served by underlings who are partisan hacks, and be unable to answer basic questions about the investigation or its findings.
If he's like Durham, his court cases will be decided based on politics rather than facts in a district that is 90+% Democrat.
This Special Counsel went after a Republican Candidate for Governor on corruption charges. Convicted him. The mans a beast. On a side note, the conviction was overturned by SCOTUS, 9-0
That, my friend, is the fakest of fake news. Shame on you for propagating such a phony, partisan narrative.
It was only 8-0. 😁
Does Josh (or Scalia) really think nobody is in charge of an investigation of a particular person until a special prosecutor is appointed? Somebody is in charge. Up till now, that person at the DOJ was David Raskin. The only question is whether that person will be subject to the Attorney General’s interference. Josh (and Scalia) seem to prefer that interference be allowed. The point of a special prosecutor is to remove that interference. That is a good thing.
That Trump tried to collude, and thought he was colluding, was proudly admitted. (The Trump Tower meeting, Trump’s public promise three days before the meeting of upcoming dirt on Hillary Clinton). They could have and would have gone further, if they weren’t so stupid and lazy. Mueller himself was not up to the job (at his Congressional hearing he seemed unfamiliar with his own report) but his investigation resulted in 34 indictments, convictions or plea bargains. Seehttps://time.com/5556331/mueller-investigation-indictments-guilty-pleas/
Colluuuuuuuuuuzhun!
One possible-explanation which still seems compatible with Trump's decisions in this thing is the one I've been going by for years now: Trump does whatever he thinks will motivate his followers to send him more money sooner and faster. Seems like I've been waiting for a counterexample - an instance of him doing, or saying, anything inconsistent with this criterion, and I still haven't seen one. Can anyone point to a counterexample?
The federal government, with all the self-grants of power and authorities it can muster, the self-allotments of tens of millions of dollars to pay itself, the eager support of nearly every news organization in the world, and the gift given to itself of nearly unlimited time, is somehow still unable to successfully prosecute this one, specific individual.
Either they are unimaginably incompetent, or there is no there, there.
Take your pick.
If I were Donald Trump, I would be elated by this repeated failure. Emboldened, even.
“Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime”
— Lavrentiy Beria, head of Joseph Stalin’s secret police.
Or as I like to call it, The Prosecutor’s Creed.
I like to remind people of Beria's fate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavrentiy_Beria#Arrest,_trial_and_execution
Fascinating!
By the way, if you have ever thought of reading the original novel THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, be prepared for some tough going. It's astonishingly badly written, except for the parts which are lifted word-for-word from I, CLAUDIUS (which include the descriptions of some of the rulers, not the events, which obviously are not compatible because of the technological differences between classical Roman antiquity and 1950s American political life).
Rumors are that Baria also wanted to sell East Germany to the West for cash. That would have been interesting because -- in 1953 -- the DDR was a major financial drain on the Soviet Union.
The number of supposedly intelligent people that allow Trump to live in their head rent-free is staggering
So, the difference is that Mueller was to prosecute if he had a good case, Smith is to prosecute if at all humanly possible. Sounds plausible.
But given 6 years of attempts to nail Trump on something, anything, coming up empty, he may find the job difficult anyway.
Smith was one of the prosecutors on the McDonnell case, which was overturned by a unanimous SCOTUS because of the absurd reach the prosecutors used in redefining words.
I'm sure he'll find something if he wants to.
That was a troubling case. The Court determined that choosing which constituents asking for help to pay attention to, and to direct your subordinates to pay attention to, is not an official act so that when the Governor accepted bribes to favor one supplicant they were not illegal bribes. Sometimes the law disappoints.
I didn't know the case, but I do know that getting to the SCOTUS means your case was manifestly not frivolous.
Or it was so outrageously frivolous that the entire court felt the need to smack you down and make sure no other too-zealous-and-too-clever prosecutors could follow you down that outrageously frivolous path. Potayto, potahto.
It doesn't *get to* the Supreme Court if it's frivolous, dude.
This was not a summary reversal, which is the closest to what you are describing. It was a legal opinion on a as of yet unclear area of law.
Right; the people above are trying to make it sound like Smith committed prosecutorial misconduct, or that there were undisclosed facts that meant that McDonnell didn't actually do what he was accused of doing. SCOTUS did indeed overturn the conviction, but they did it based on handing down a new interpretation of the statute that narrowed what it covered.
I'm not saying that SCOTUS's decision was wrong; I'm just saying that a prosecutor correctly prosecutes based on the law in effect at the time of the prosecution, not based on an interpretation handed down after the fact.
I agree it was a troubling case - the prosecution attempted to turn "official acts" into something that meant "anything at all". Some of the "official acts" that supposedly were performed for these "bribes" were acts like meeting with the donor, appearing at the same event as the donor, and even going so far as to mention the donor to someone else.
There's a good reason SCOTUS tossed out that case.
Prosecutors alleged five official acts:
So, not "meeting with the donor" (but using the Governor's position to arrange meetings with subordinates and other officials), not "appearing at the same event" (but hosting events at the Governor's mansion to promote Star Scentific's products) and not "mention the donor to someone else" (but requiring his subordinates to discuss how, not if, they could employ Star Scentific's products).
SCOTUS held that these were not official acts of the Governor unless they involved him making or influencing a decision on a specific matter that was, or was similar to, a "cause, suit, proceeding or controversy". The conviction was vacated because the jury might have convicted the Governor for merely selling access without also finding he intended to influence a decision.
Yes - and if the absurd claims pushed by the prosecution had triumphed, any form of lobbying would have become criminal instantly.
Are you a donor to a politician? Did the politician talk to people about you views? Congratulations, you and the politician are both criminals now.
Did a donor object to police violence and write a letter to his politician saying so? If the politician mentioned the issue, congratulations, the donor is now a criminal!
Attending non-governmental meetings, talking about a donor with subordinates, and holding an event that includes a donor at your home are not official acts in any rational mind. Especially when the parties involved say they were never pressured to do anything; when the meetings were held no one mentioned the donor, the company, or the drug; or when the 'victim' of the pressure admits they were already considering researching the drug and only considered the Governor in the context of improving the Governor's opinion for future funding requests.
As SCOTUS said, the case would have criminalized almost every act a politician takes. It was overly broad, openly abusive, federally intrusive, and the result of inaccurate, dishonest, and unfair jury instructions.
I say again: There was a good reason a unanimous SCOTUS overturned the conviction.
Did the politician direct his subordinates to move consideration of your proposal to the front of the line, ahead of those other companies that didn't give him a Rolex, and his daughter a $10,000 wedding gift, and his wife a $20,000 shopping spree? Don't worry if he did, according to the Supreme Court those bribes aren't illegal.
Notice how none of that was in the 5 charges brought against McDonnell - and I don't see anywhere in the accusations, even, that the Governor "direct his subordinates to move consideration of your proposal to the front of the line" (What proposal? What other companies? Which subordinates?). What are you referring to there?
There are certainly questions about the 'gifts' Williams was giving. But to be violate the law, there must be an exchange with an official act. And there was no such thing here.
What we did see were prosecutors dramatically overreaching and abusing the definition of "official act" beyond all reason.
If you don't like the fact that it is legal to give large gifts to politicians, I agree. It is absurd that so many politicians manage to increase their wealth by many times their salary during their terms in office - at state and Federal levels. But if you don't like it, then the law should be changed. As a federal contractor, for example, the law (roughly) forbids me from accepting gifts worth more than $50 from people that might influence me (or be influenced by me), and similar laws restrict federal employees. But politicians have exempted themselves from those laws - and done so in a deliberate and legal manner.
But cutting down every law in the US in pursuit of your imagined Devil just makes it worse for you and yours when that abuse is turned around (to paraphrase).
I'm sympathetic to the 4th Circuit's view of the matter but accept that the Supreme Court gets the final say, which is why I said at the outset that I was disappointed by the law not that I had concluded that SCOTUS got it wrong.
Didn’t you claim up and down that Mueller was a kangaroo court?
How times change!
given 6 years of attempts to nail Trump on something, anything, coming up empty, he may find the job difficult anyway.
Says the guy who declares Hilary guilty after even longer of nothing doing.
Your inconsistencies are getting worse lately.
Surprised Liz Chaney wasn't named as Special Prosecutor.
She's maneuvering for Sec Def for the coming WW3. Guess it's OK to attack a NATO member if you're one of the establishments "Most Favored" Nations. Love how You-Crane isn't even claiming it was a "Mistake"
Frank
I must be getting old - I remember when self-professed conservatives didn't simp for Russia.
If telling the truth is akin to simping for Russia to you, you need to engage in some deep self-reflection.
Turning a bare mention of Liz Cheney into an excuse to make a non-sequitur attack on "You-Crane" that consists of a propaganda-laden characterization of a friendly-fire accident?
Yeah, that's pretty blatant simping for Russia.
Ronald Reagan would be wondering how a bunch of communist apologizers infiltrated the GOP. Sad, really.
Can tell you never served (OK, maybe you shaved pubic hair off fallen Veterans during "W"-Barry Hussein's Iraq-Afghanistan Debacles)
because one of the first thangs you learn in Com-Bat
"Friendly Fire??" "Isn't"
Frank "Your welcome for my Service"
Are you claiming
1) you served in the military? Y/N
2) you served in combat? Y/N
Be clear, concise, and honest. Yes/No questions. 1 and 2.
I have never been in the military, but unless and until you answer 1) and 2) honestly, I won’t thank you for stolen valor.
Yes, USN (I know, some debate whether the Navy's really "Military") specifically as a Battalion Surgeon/Flight Surgeon with USMC Infantry /Fighter-Attack units.
Combat? Technically "Y" if you consider crossing mine fields on the Saudi/Kuwait Border with a Marine Infantry Battalion, tossing MRE's to surrendering Iraqi Soldiers in Kuwait Feb 91' "Combat" , I did get a "Combat Action Badge" FWIW
and during the Bosnian Thang, did rate "hazardous duty pay" for riding in the back of FA-18D's enforcing the "No-Fly" Zone, not combat. Did get sort of cold at FL 420(I'd tell you...)
Got out in early 2001, was getting a little too boring,
No, didn't come back after 9-11, I'm Southern, not Stupid,
Frank
WHAT were you doing up at 42,000 feet?!?
Freezing my ass off,
Yeah, that was the only time we went that high, "Officially" it was to save fuel during a 6hr night mission flying big circles over the Adriatic. Figured it would save enough to let the Tanker RTB (I'd tell you....) an hour early while we glided into LIPA(I'd....) on fumes
Unofficially, because it was "Cool" (literally) to get in the 40K club and there was that neat Comet you could see a little more clearly at higher altitude.
Frank
Thanks. I retract any implication of stolen valor.
I still think you're blatantly wrong about numerous topics, and I still think you simp for Russia. Which coming from a US military person is frankly incomprehensible to me. Perhaps you can explain why "You-Crane" are the bad guys. Is it because Trump brings kneepads every time he meets with former KGB agent Putin, and you believe that he must be correct and therefore anyone labelled (D) is evil? Edjumicate me here.
But I will thank you for your service.
Better than simping for one of the other former "Socialist Republics"
Huhn, so you favor a current totalitarian regime lead by a former KGB agent over a country that is giving democracy a good shot (if imperfect! perfection is hard!) despite the interference of said former KGB agent.
Sounds like simping for Russia to me.
Why do you hate democracy and freedom?
I don't, just don't give a fuck about one shithole Eastern European Country vs Another shithole Eastern European Country. And don't usually give Billions of Somolians to Countries I don't give about. Don't like Foreigners crossing Sovereign countries borders?? How about securing ours??? Paul Pelosi might still be sentient if a certain Canadian Gigolo had been deported when he first illegally crossed the border, back when Barry Hussein was drawing "Red Lines" (Whatever happened to Syria? I thought THEY were the "Totalitarian Regime" we were supposed to care about)
Frank "Home-land Body"
Well ... that's a rant.
If all you can think about is "I got mine, f*** everyone else", then I pity you.
Apathy is how evil wins. Pat yourself on the back some more.
But ... if you're truly that lame, why did you go out of your way to blame "You-Crane" for defending itself?
I think that people shouldn't pretend to be Americans if they can't actually speak (or write) the English language.
But in any case, Pelosi's attacker did not "illegally cross" any border, and of course a military invasion is not merely "crossing a border." Call me when all the Guatemalan landscapers and Mexican day laborers sneak across the Rio Grande in tanks.
You're reading too much into the language. Necessity is in the eye of the beholder.
He's coming in at the end, not the beginning. His team should already have a good idea who should be charged.
It is painfully clear that Garland appointed Smith for one reason, and one reason alone: "prosecuting a particular individual" named Donald J. Trump.
Nope. Smith was appointed to investigate Trump, and prosecute Trump if the results of the investigation show that to be warranted.
Could anything be clearer than the national necessity of an investigation of Trump with power sufficient to keep him from evasion and defiance? Would-be Trump defenders ought to admit to themselves that what they fear most is a sufficiently capable investigation, not the possibility of any prosecution which might justifiably result.
As pointed out up-thread, Smith was appointed in hopes of a re-run of the Bob McDonnell prosecution. No more.
It's now being pointed out that Smith was also one of the DOJ lawyers involved in the IRS scandal some years back, and emails of him encouraging Lerner and her crew have been brought up. Turns out they got released back in the court case where the IRS admitted to wrongdoing and agreed to pay a bunch of penalties.
Smith was appointed to investigate Trump, and prosecute Trump
if the results of the investigation show that to be warranted.Now that's more accurate.
Does this not invite what Justice Jackson described as "picking the man and then searching the law books, or putting investigators to work, to pin some offense on him"?
Of course it does not amount to that. Trump's flagrant public conduct has put that possibility right out of sight. Private flagrantly criminal conduct has further been alleged by public testimony from a list of Trump's close personal associates and advisers, plus from the testimony of Trump himself, from records and recordings, all known now to the public.
Trump picked himself. Blackman objects that Trump should not be targeted. Blackman should have told that to Trump. What happens next cannot possibly be a, "targeting," of Trump.
IANAL but sounds awfully close to a Bill of Attainder. And before the "Reverend" Sandusky questions my Karyotype, I know it's not a BOA, just close, and probably get a much more righteous bust going after the guy who appointed MG's boss, "The Big Guy"'s drug addict son.
Not a "Turtle" fan but I'd add him to Mt. Rushmore (along with Ronaldus Maximus and "45") just for keeping that shitbag Garland off the Court...
Frank
Should have stopped there.
Well, IIAL.
A prosecutor assigned to investigate and possibly prosecute a particular crime is not even remotely close to a Bill of Attainder, which is fundamentally a legislative action declaring that someone is guilty of a crime, specifically to avoid the normal trial process.
Griping about how a prosecutor's assignment to a particular matter comes about - whether in the normal course of business versus special circumstances, as here - does not magically transform those normal prosecutorial functions into a Bill of Attainder.
It just doesn't. You're making a nonsensical assertion because "ZOMG! Bill of Attainder!!1!" is grievance politics, not reality.
This guy is searching for a crime and we all know he will find a "crime" and it will be timed to dirty him up for the 2024 election season.
"Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime" the rallying cry of Democrats with institutional power everywhere.
The J6 committee gathered a lot of information without judicial oversight under the name of a congressional investigation. They were sued for conducting a criminal investigation. The plaintiffs lost. That information has not been handed over to the special prosecutor. Could that information be suppressed for being incorrectly obtained?
No.
At most they'd use it via parallel construction instead of directly.
Paul Sperry did a deep dive on this guys history.
He's a partisan hack. So expect more DOJ election interference. Which they are going to keep doing until someone makes them stop.
I read your comment as stating that Paul Sperry is a partisan hack. From what came up from searching him, I would agree. (I had never heard of him before this.)
As a follow up, I noted that he tweeted about Kamala Harris's sister taking hydroxychloroquine shortly after Harris was announced as the VP pick. Of course, that wasn't breaking news. She had been taking hydroxychloroquine for her Lupus for many years and had written an article a few months prior to the tweet about the hording of the drug after Trump started touting it for COVID. The article was about how it had become difficult for her and others to get their prescriptions filled because of the sudden and large increase in demand.
So, yeah. Partisan hack for sure.
I had a similar reaction when I googled Paul Sperry's name. BCD is right Sperry is a hack.
....
How is your cousin Jeff Bezos doing?
John Eastman, like yourself, is a Heritage fellow Blackman. Word on the street is you may have had a hand in the fake electors scheme. I hope for your sake you didn't
BlueAnons gonna BlueAnon.
I can't help but think that former President Trump has taken the wrong turn at every step. I suspect that he like conflicts and has a history of winning at conflicts. He has generally had the better position, which help even when you are in the wrong. This is risky behavior, and any risk analyst will tell you that the more chances you take the more like you are to get burned. He invited the special prosecutor when he announced for the Presidential nomination. What he seems have missed is he is losing the superior position and his favorability is in general decline.
I mean, one possible scenario is that Trump loses the GQP nomination fight ... and then the special prosecutor is ended in favor of normal prosecution, because the ostensible conflict has disappeared. Vaporized. As dead as the Monty Python parrot.
Trump's subsequent reaction to being told he no longer warrants special attention, and his ego-outbursts, could be pretty amusing.
"Broke Back Mounting" much? Y'all just "Can't quit him"!!
In contrast, Barry Hussein is just sad, Stuttering like Spider in "Goodfellas" (good thing Joe Pesci isn't there) wringing every last dead vote for DemoKKKrats in inner city Atlanta, Filthydelphia, Murder-town USA (OK, could be Chicago, Detroit, or Oakland)
Frank
Can you repeat that in ... something comprehensible?
Perhaps consider adjusting your meds.
I do "Cultural References" like Dennis Miller, who everyone liked when he was a "Lefty" (I'm a real Lefty, the handed kind, talk about discrimination)
So the "Can't Quit" is a line from "Broke Back Mountain" and yes, I stole the "Mounting" bit from Michael Savage, he used to call the movie that, pretty funny guy
"Spider" is the character in "Goodfellas" which I've only seen about 172 times, played by the great Michael Imperioli (also played Governor Coumo in "Escape at Dannemora", who gets shot in the foot, and later all over by Joe Pesci's character, Tommy Desimone,
Oh yeah, "Spider" stuttered, just not as bad as Barry Hussein or that Tattooed Circus Strongman just erected in PA,
Last bit was a dig at how all the aforementioned shithole cities always have more votes than people actually living there, because they never update the rolls, I know because my Grandfather's still registered in ATL (and doesn't vote, as far as I know) even though he died in 1990
Frank "Verstanden??"
Seems to me Blackman's "necessary and appropriate" distinction is much smaller than he suggests.
For the condition in the Mueller case refers to the Special Counsel's belief that the prosecution is necessary and appropriate.
If the SC brings a prosecution, based on his claimed "belief" that it is necessary and appropriate, you're only going to be able to knock that out as beyond the SC's delegated powers if the belief is manifestly unreasonable. Practically, that's pretty much indistinguishable from not having a necessary and appropriate condition at all.
My first thought about this thing that Blackman brought up was why bother saying that charges are "necessary and appropriate" at all? I would think that it would be necessary and appropriate every time someone was charged with a crime.
"To make the point clear that this order concerns Trump, the special counsel does not have authority over the many pending cases of those who actually entered the Capitol on January 6. President Trump was not one of those people."
Wow, is that a desperate reach. The order gives a clear and unambiguous reason why those people are outside the authority of the SC. And there are over 331 million other citizens who didn't enter the Capitol on January 6 besides Trump.
Yes, without the words “necessary and appropriate” it’s clear that Smith, unlike Durham, is a political hit-job in the making. For example, Durham could only bring the most absolutely pressing charges. This not only protected the innocent but it resulted in a guilty plea re: a matter unrelated to the Russia Investigation, and two acquittals at trial. After only three years, too! I have no doubt that if he had an unlimited budget and no time restrictions he could probably add at least two more acquittals in the next ten years. But, you know, “politics”…
But Smith he can just bring charges against Turnip that pop into his head even if they concern actual and serious violations of law! I know, right? So unfair…
You realize that story had all of one source working at the FBI, right? A single pissy agent (who may have been named Strzok or Page for all we know) doesn't indicate a culture opposite to what is documented in the IG report.
Trump's defenders keep trotting out this story, but it has been so thoroughly debunked that even right-wing outlet PJ Media admits it is false.
was that before or after Hillary taking sniper fire?
Tell your handlers they are not sending their better trolls
You tell us. It's your conspiracy theory.
and still won the House, will wonders never cease!
At least 14 FBI agents have gone to Congress under the whistleblower act -- the new GOP committee chair recently said that it was more than 14 now.
Posted above, by me, are two URLs from the CHPD's own official US Government website. (Note the .gov in the url...)
Did you read those sites -- or are the CHPD in on the conspiracy theory themselves?
You claimed:
When called on the fact that Speaker Peolosi does not in fact "run the CHPD", you spew a bunch of org charts that, again, do not actually show Ms. Pelosi "running" the CHPD.
Does the President, by virtue of being at the top of the Exec Branch, "run" the FBI? No ... no he does not. At least in any common-sense use of the word "run".
Your problem is that you're trying to take an entirely-normal org structure, wave your hands about the word "run", and thereby imply that there must! have been something nefarious going on. Which is starkly unconvincing bool and sheet, except to other conspiracists who desperately want to believe.
Just knock it off already.
The big difference between this and, say, clearing Lafayette Square Park is that the park was cleared AFTER repeated criminal acts, and the Capitol police response was put in place in because of a crowd full of FBI agents provocateurs.
If you think Trump should be blamed for clearing that park, consistency demands that you blame Pelosi for the Capitol Police response (or lack thereof) here. If Pelosi doesn't run the USCP, Trump doesn't run the Secret Service -- much less the other agencies involved in clearing that park.
I've actually seen one of those Black helicopters -- the pilots have to keep their flight hours up and hence have to go fly it places.
If you can find one who trusts you, have a candid conversation with a police chief about just how political the job is.
In most cases, they "serve at the pleasure of" the administrator -- their tenure really is that insecure. My guess is that the same is true of the House Sargent at Arms. And do you remember how Richard Nixon got rid of Archibald Cox? https://www.history.com/news/what-was-the-saturday-night-massacre
Well, at least we’re at the point where you’re acknowledging that this is all your circular-reasoning “guesses”, with an continually-evolving set of links to web sites that do not actually contain the facts you assert they do.
As long as we’re posting links about how the world operates, as opposed to anything actually connecting Ms. Pelosi to your wild fantasies about Jan.6:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/sealioning-internet-trolling
"Does the President, by virtue of being at the top of the Exec Branch, “run” the FBI? "
Yup, ultimately he does, although there is the AG in the middle of the chain of accountability
That's not the best analogy, because at least the head of the FBI reports to the AG who reports solely to the president.
But the capitol police report to the capitol police chief, who reports to the capitol police board, who don't report to Pelosi. One of the three people on that board is the House Sergeant at Arms. (Who actually reports to the House, not to her, but you can sort of squint and say that she has de facto control over him.) But that's a minority of the board!
In fairness, the USSS had a real problem with Hillary not doing what they told her to -- and I can see a USSS agent telling her that there was a sniper so as to get her the bleep off the runway and under cover. In a high risk situation like that, I could justify doing it myself -- they needed her out of there.
Soonest....
Trump hasn't had two brain bleeds....
Age is just a number. Compare their activity levels.
Trump has been a public figure for all of his adult life, so if he had serious medical issues in they past they would likely be know.
Just what are we looking at?
Hillary was met on the runway by a young girl who gave her flowers and read a poem.
And he was the only one?
Durham is so darn funny.
1. His last disaster of a trial was the thinnest possible case imaginable. The defense didn’t even have to present witnesses because Durham’s testified against his own case. But it didn’t seem to matter to the prosecutor, since he seemed mainly interested in long-winded conspiratorial speeches having nothing to do with the case at hand. The judge grew impatient with that.
2. In general, judges objected to Durham’s habit of turning charging documents into press releases. Not unreasonably, they suggested performances for reporters should be before reporters.
3. Then there was his habit of carefully-crafted disingenuous P.R. On multiple occasions, Durham issued a statement that had his fanboys squealing with delight – until people noticed it was all a lie. No – Durham replied with saccharine piety – If you squint and look-out the corner of your eye, it’s just barely true. It’s not my fault – Durham replied with theatrical chagrin – If people misinterpret.
4. When the DOJ Inspector General found the initial Trump investigation was warranted by the evidence, Durham loudly & publicly disagreed. Mind you, he provided no countervailing argument, but his fanboys assumed he had some secret evidence (which he never did).
Once, when Inspector General Horowitz was testifying before Congress, he was questioned about this. Horowitz said he asked Durham why, and was told J.D. thought there was enough evidence to warrant a “partial” investigation of Trump, but not a “full” investigation. The loud public statement had been just another Durham scam. The man wasn’t the worst special counsel of all time – that’s Kavanaugh closely followed by Starr – but Durham is surely the most clownish.
I missed the part in the Constitution that mentioned actuarial tables or are you selling life insurance?
And the girl could have had a grenade. It happened in Vietnam and was happening in Iraq. And unless you know who the girl is, you have to presume the worst -- it's what is involved in protecting a VIP.
Notwithstanding that, unless you have secured the area and *know* that there isn't a sniper out there with a scope, you have to presume there is. This is the mistake that the USSS made with Reagan -- they hadn't secured the sidewalk outside the hotel and that's what permitted Hinkley to get close enough to Reagan to shoot him.
Security involves such things as welding down manhole covers and removing trash cans -- unless the girl was planned (and she may have been) she had to be considered a threat. Airport runways have long, unobstructed views and a sniper can hit upwards of a half mile, sometimes more.
I am no defender of Hillary Clinton, but I was neither there nor present at the security briefing -- it's possible -- POSSIBLE -- that they needed to get her off that runway quickly.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna31142126
"When the DOJ Inspector General found the initial Trump investigation was warranted by the evidence"
And that the resulting investigation had almost instantly established there wasn't anything there, but they kept the investigation going anyway. Don't forget that part.
The IG report did not find the initial investigation was justified "by the evidence", he found that it was permitted under FBI policy. He then wrote an entire section about how that policy was horrible and should be eliminated immediately.
I'm like the kid in the Ronaldus Maximus Story, digging through a pile of Horse Shit, looking for the Pony,
But if a 1 seat win sends Fancy-Nancy P back to San Fran Sissy Co to help out her Gay Hubby's convalescence (I was more offended by his using Nancy to get out of a DUI) fine with me...
Frank "Just Win, Baby"
OK, Queenie, no Homo, but I didn't like Ken Starr, or the Persecution of William Jeff-uh-son back in the last Millenium.
Didn't vote for WJC (Perot 92' and 96') but liked "his" Economy (was it his, Newts? the "Peace Dividends"? who cares!) how he let Homos serve in the Military as long as no one knew they were Homos (See Graham, Lindsay-Buckingham-Nicks) and if he got a BJ from an Intern, umm, look at the Shrew he's married to (honest mistake, she was sort of hot even into the 80's)
Frank "Clinton in 2024!!!!!!! BILL Clinton"
I will be interested to hear what they say. It might be better to start with all the people who were going to testify about seeing voter fraud first, as none of them showed up in court.
It might be interesting to inquire as to why they didn't show up -- witness intimidation does exist.
We know that intimidation was tried on some of the January 6th witnesses.
https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-steve-bannon-donald-trump-congress-government-and-politics-2747e72c7f919cc3a775a63a564fce33
Because he does not have a brain
???
Sorry Mod, it was yet another fire-extinguisher-level lie. Are there any orangemanbad hoaxes you won't fall for?
And by "get out of," you mean "plead guilty to."