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Threatening to Cough on Someone and Give Them COVID Is Criminally Punishable
Looks right to me.
In State v. Young, decided yesterday by the New Jersey Appellate Division (Judges Mary Gibbons Whipple, Hany Mawla and Morris Smith), defendant was arrested for drunk driving on April 7, 2020.
After officers advised defendant that she was under arrest, she resisted being handcuffed and began screaming profanities at the officers. As she was being placed into a police vehicle, she kicked an officer in the chest. According to the complaint summons, "following the arrest[,] … defendant … repeatedly coughed and verbally threaten[ed] … troopers with being exposed and infected with the COVID-19 virus." The arresting trooper's affidavit of probable cause stated: "While being transport[ed] … to the … [s]tation and while processing … defendant, she forcefully coughed and repeatedly [told t]roopers that she would give them the COVID-19 virus." …
According to a supplemental investigation report filed by a State Police detective, the station commander advised "he was concerned … the squad of [t]roopers who were working during this time period may have to be quarantined due to exposure if [defendant] does have the [COVID-19] virus." The commander asked the detective "to contact [defendant] to see if she would disclose her [COVID]-19 status …." When the detective reached defendant and advised her of the purpose of his call,
she immediately stated[: ] "They should be concerned." I asked her to explain why they should be concerned and she advised that she is a public health care worker and had been displaying [COVID-19] symptoms for the past few days. I asked her if she had taken a [COVID-19] test and she advised that she had not but was planning on taking the test. I asked … if she would be willing to share those results, so we could take … proper steps to ensure the [t]roopers were not exposed and she stated that she probably would not. She then … complain[ed] about how the [t]roopers had no right to arrest her and that she didn't care if they got infected. She also stated that she hoped they "get infected[.]"
Following the call, the detective contacted the prosecutor's office, which authorized charges for terroristic threats and violating Executive Order No. 1071 "[d]ue to the fact … we did not know the [COVID-19] status of [defendant] and concerns over possible [COVID-19] exposure to others …." The detective's report further noted "approximately seven [t]roopers were sent into a two[-]week quarantine due to the statements and actions of [defendant]."
The court held that the indictment properly charged a crime under the New Jersey terroristic threat statute, "A person is guilty of a crime of the third degree if he threatens to commit any crime of violence with the purpose to terrorize another or to cause evacuation of a building, place of assembly, or facility of public transportation, or otherwise to cause serious public inconvenience …."
While we cannot speculate what crime of violence the State will present to the jury to prove terroristic threats, it is readily apparent from the record defendant's conduct suggests assaultive behavior, in that by coughing she intended to transmit a deadly virus….
Some have noted charging terroristic threats in the context of COVID-19 is misguided, as "intuitively, it does not seem plausible that the act of coughing on another—without more—falls under the class of a crime of violence." Charles Flanders et al., "Terroristic Threats" and COVID-19: A Guide for the Perplexed, 169 U. Penn. L. Rev. Online 63, 77 (2020) (emphasis added). Further, the act of coughing on another does not fit the historically intended purpose of terroristic threat statutes, e.g., "calling in a bomb threat that forces the evacuation of a nursing home."
However, defendant's alleged actions here were not limited to the act of coughing, but rather coughing accompanied by a statement indicating a purpose to infect troopers. The evidence in the record reveals an intent to terrorize, defined elsewhere as "to convey the menace or fear of death or serious bodily injury by words or actions."
Therefore, pursuant to the facts presented here, defendant's actions were not mere hyperbole because she worked in healthcare and claimed to be experiencing COVID-19 symptoms…. And considering defendant's offense occurred at the outset of a national emergency, which would claim over one million American lives, including over 31,000 New Jerseyans, we cannot conclude the indictment punishes defendant merely for causing alarm, was unintelligible, arbitrary, or vague as applied to her.
Congratulations to Kim L. Barfield, who represented the State.
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It shouldn't be a crime to threaten to give someone some sniffles.
Jokes aside, I am so glad me and my family are Pure Bloods seeing all the harm the Big Pharma clot shots are doing to the sheeple.
An inconsistency in the story - Was there a follow up to see if the arrestee actually had covid?
Its doesnt seem likely the person had covid, or the onset of the flu or cold or any other respiratory illness at the time of the arrest. Very few people are in the mood to drink, much less get drunk at the onset of having covid. For those that drink on a regular basis, one or two drinks a day, its often an additional 5-10 days after covid is gone before a person is in the mood to have another drink.
In summary, the person was a jerk and is often the case, the arrestee will do jerkish things during the arrest, but unlikely the arrestee had covid.
I'm not sure whether the bottom line conclusion is correct, but I don't think it matters whether she actually had COVID or believed she had COVID. Threatening to shoot someone with the gun in your pocket is actionable even if you don't actually have a gun in your pocket.
I read that during the WW1 Spanish flu epidemic a few infected people were shot -- in Texas I believe -- for trying to spread the flu by coughing.
Sorry, but that was not a credible threat. Even in April 2020, that was not a credible threat. It should have been treated the same as if she had threatened to have her alien-overlord love-slaves zap her captors from space with their cosmic ray-guns.
I take a different tack -- she wanted them to believe it was a credible threat, and is no different from a bank robber pretending his finger is a gun or passing a note claiming he has a bomb.
A false threat is not the same thing as a non-credible threat. A bank robber pretending his finger is a gun in his pocket is a credible threat. The same guy trying to use his finger-gun in the open air is not a credible threat.
Likewise, saying you have a bomb under your clothes is a credible threat if you're wearing a trench coat but not so credible when you're wearing a bikini.
This is bullshyte.
Spitting at someone is assault, as is kicking someone. They ignore that yet prosecute her for violating an executive order.
The term "thought crime" comes to mind here.
The President ordered COVID to be dangerous? The President ordered COVID to be considered dangerous, even for purposes of state threat statutes?
Do you think the President has such a power, power to order something to be fangerous or not? Can the President simply order guns to not be dangerous and then they won’t be? Can the President simply order guns to not be considered dangerous, and people will stop feeling threatened when people point them at them and make demands?
No, that's not the point. The point is that the government's official position was that Covid was so deadly that everyone had to wear masks, stand six feet apart, and shut down huge swathes of the economy. No matter how wrong they were, that was the official position, and a lot of people were going to believe it.
Actually, it was the Governor's executive order.
The court ignored the plain meaning of the word violence (the use of physical force) to reach the result it wanted. It also illogically concluded that because the defendant wanted to harm the supposed victims, her non-violent conduct was violent, thereby turning this into a thought crime.
As I note above, I think this unquestionably should be the result were the encounter to have happened more recently. But as I recall the state of play in early April 2000, there was (whether or not there should have been) still more than enough of a cloud of confusion and uncertainty for a reasonable person to legitimately take her words as a threat of violence.
It should be treated as simple assault.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I have no sympathy for this loser.
On the other hand, if she's too drive, how can she be held responsible for this?
A threat to transmit HIV was actually the sole precedent the court cited, presumably because there were no prior cases where a defendant had been convicted of a "terroristic threat" by threatening to, e.g., cough on someone and give them influenza.
The court at least gives lip service to the idea that her intent behind the words and the officers' likely interpretation of those words must be measured based on the state of knowledge at the time (early April 2000) rather than today. That seems right as far as it goes, but for exactly the same reason I sincerely hope this is a one-off and that no future opinion will blindly cite back to this case for the mechanistic proposition that a threat to try to give someone COVID always equates to a "terroristic threat."
Yeah, so even more reason the reasoning in this case should be limited to its early timeframe.
Covid was, and still is, enough of a credible threat to sustain masking and lockdowns and a $400B tax increase.
Nobody not engaged in a weird death-cult culture-war believes those things.
The day ending in Y is enough of a credible threat for authoritarian politicians to do that so please try again.
Even at that date there was enough data to know it wasn't the apocalypse claimed. The infected Princss Cruise ship didn't become a mass casualty site even though their demographic skews older and so generally more at risk for more adverse outcomes.
Fortunately, you've just described lots of Republicans, which may explain the failure of the red wave to manifest itself last week: lots more people died in Republican counties than Democratic ones.
David
You have been corrected numerous times on that point.
The death rate by age group was very similar irrespective of the whether thd county or state was republican or democrat / irrespective of the level of mitigation protocols.
You would know that if you actually looked at the raw data instead of relying on leftist talking points
Joe_dallas is full of shit as always (that 'by age group' alone invalidates his whole argument), but I don't think the total numbers of deaths in the red counties bear out Covid making a difference.
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/03/826817866/take-this-serious-bus-driver-dies-of-covid-19-after-calling-out-coughing-rider