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Some Comments on Biden's Executive Order re White House Initiative on Hispanics
I just came across a September 2021 Biden "Executive Order on White House Initiative on Advancing Educational Equity, Excellence, and Economic Opportunity for Hispanics." A few thoughts.
(1) "Only 40 percent of Latino children participate in preschool education programs as compared to 53 percent of their White peers…. Hispanic and Latino students are more likely than their White peers to experience remote learning arrangements…"
Comment: The executive order oddly contrasts "Latino" with "White." I say oddly because Statistical Directive No. 15, which governs racial classification by the US government, classifies "Hispanic/Latino" as an ethnicity, not a race, and Hispanics can be of any race. I haven't seen the 2020 census data yet, but in past censuses, and in private studies conducted by Pew and others, a bit over fifty percent of American Hispanics self-identify as white; among the ten biggest Hispanic groups, the figures range from around 20% of Dominicans (who have a large admixture of African ancestry) to around 80% of Cubans.
The Biden Administration has proposed changing Directive 15 to treat Hispanic/Latino as a race, but that, for now, is just a proposal---one that has been proposed and ultimately rejected many times since the 1970s. The Administration apparently wants to informally designate Hispanics as a race without going through the legwork to do so officially.
(2) "Due to systemic and historical inequities faced in the classroom, the high school graduation rate for Hispanic students is below the national average." There is also a promise to "monitor and support the development, implementation, and coordination of Federal Government educational, workforce, research, and business development policies, programs, and technical assistance designed to improve outcomes for historically underserved communities, including Hispanics and Latinos."
Comment: The use of "historical" in this context struck me because it's rather inapposite. In 1970, Hispanics composed approximately five percent of the US population. Now, they are approximately twenty percent. That increase has been fueled primarily by immigration. There are entire Latino subgroups, such as Salvadorans and Guatemalans, who were barely present in the US until the 1980s but now have a substantial representation in the country.
In short, whatever the reasons for lower socioeconomic attainment among Latinos, historical inequities are unlikely to be the main cause, given that most Latinos trace their ancestry to the US to no earlier than 1970, and many much later. Post-1970 Latino immigrants, unlike prior immigrant groups, benefited from a host of federal civil rights protections, affirmative action, and social welfare programs.
(3) Treating Hispanics/Latinos as a uniform group makes little sense in general, but even less so when trying to make social welfare policy. Consider the Latino population of Florida. There are Cuban Americans descended from those who came to the US around the time that Castro came to power; another large group, with different demographics, who came in the Mariel immigration in 1980; hundreds of thousands of Puerto Ricans, many of who arrived after the last big hurricane; a large group of Mexican farm laborers who work in the agricultural sector; relatively well-off Venezuelans and Argentines ex-pats fleeing socialist policies in their home countries; poorer South Americans, many of whom have overstayed visas or otherwise have dubious legal status, and don't always mix with their wealthier (and whiter) counterparts; and so on.
Some of these groups are, on average, doing quite well as judged by various socio-economic indicators; others are not. The reasons for these disparities have everything to do with the economic, social, and human capital they brought to the US, not with their "Hispanicness." Racism may also play some role, but that would be the case primarily for those who are dark-complexioned, but not, say, an Italian-Argentine immigrant. In any event, Mexican farm labors an hour outside of Tampa and Miami Cubans have sufficiently little in common that grouping them together in making policy is, at best, problematic.
(4) Surveys show that the vast majority of Hispanic/Latino Americans prefer to be considered either "just American" or by their national origin (Cuban American, Mexican American, etc). They accept Hispanic or Latino as a secondary identity, but not their primary one.
(5) For a long time, Mexican Americans dominated the demographics of the Latino population in the US. One could therefore read "Hispanic" or "Latino" as "Mexican American" and be pretty close to the truth, statistics-wise. Mexican Americans are themselves a diverse population, ranging from wealthy, white expats to Indians whose first language in Mexico was an Indigenous one, not Spanish, but at least they are a somewhat coherent national-origin group. The Latino population, however, has grown increasingly diverse; only around 60% of Hispanic Americans are now of Mexican origin. Moreover, native-born Mexican Americans have a high intermarriage rate, increasingly the internal diversity of those deemed by statistics-keepers to be Mexican (and also leading many people with Mexican ancestry to not identify as Hispanic to survey-takers). [UPDATE: I should have mentioned, re the lined in parentheses above, that assimilation into the "non-Hispanic white" category distorts statistics about Hispanic Americans. Better educated and wealthier Hispanics are more likely to marry non-Hispanic whites, and many children of such unions don't identify as Hispanics in surveys. So statistics about, e.g., economic mobility for Hispanics understate the groups' success.]
So perhaps it's time to go back to the 1960s, when the major Latino groups of the time--Mexican, Cuban, and Puerto Ricans were tabulated separately. (Fun fact: the affirmative action category in the Bakke case that reached the Supreme Court in 1978 was Mexican-American, not Hispanic). It certainly makes little sense for a "White House Intiative" to draw no distinctions between Anya Taylor-Joy and a Mexican Indian picking strawberries in central California.
(6) Needless to say, if this sort of thing interests you, you should read my book on American racial classication.
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The word "White" should be replaced by "Anglo"
Said a spokes person for the AngloHouse.
Whatever.
BTW spokesperson is one not two words.
Bring back WASPs?
Don't forget October is Italian American History Month...the one group the left hate with a vengeance.
You have to wonder how many of those "White" children have a Hispanic heritage?
Good point. My Italian grandfather came here from Argentina.
You just hit on my question. Other than Spaniard the two largest groups in Argentina are Italian and German. Does an Argentinian of German extraction, for example, qualify here as Hispanic?
The short answer is yes. The longer answer is that, as described in my book, there is one NY case holding that an Argentine-Italian is not 'Hispanic'.
"Latinx" is a micro-agression. If you don't like the gendered endings of proper Spanish, the the perfectly appropriate English adjective, "Latin" as in Latin music, Latin America.
Moreover, people from Spain are not Latin. They are white Europeans.
Honestly it all needs to end. Govt should not care what your race or ethnicity is and stop tracking social outcomes. Govt should not discriminate or pass laws forcing people/companies to, but it should end there. social outcomes are driven by culture not "white supremacy" whatever the hell that is...
Government schools fail in their (stated) mission to educate students, try to shift blame. Usually they try to shift blame to parents, but that doesn't work when you're talking about specific ethnic categories because they don't want to specifically say "Hispanic parents are bad". So blame must shifted to someone who was mean in 1959, or to some other nebulous meanies somewhere out there, hiding just out of sight of everyone, who somehow made it so a Hispanic kid doesn't graduate.
Fortunately school choice is way up and still increasing.
You stick with conservative-controlled, nonsense-teaching, fourth-tier, censorship-shackled private schools, Ben_. It suits you.
I will continue to arrange undergraduate and advanced degrees from American Association of University members (public universities and Ivy League schools, mostly) for everyone in my family, and will thank you for providing to my children and grandchildren the opportunity to compete economically with your half-educated descendants.
Well, honestly! If they don't play ball, how will suing lawyers take their third? Two ton solid gold toilets on superyachts are expensive, you know.
So just shut the hell up and let us tell you what you are, and what your grievances to complain about are. We have a spreadsheet, with VBA code even, though the dollar amount in the business model columns are hidden.
You obviously haven’t read the book, so let me be explicit here: no one could possibly read the book and conclude that it argues that “ethnic groups are bogus.” But thanks for playing.
"Treating anybody as a uniform group makes little sense in general" FTFY
""Only 40 percent of Latino children participate in preschool education programs" Considering those programs have no long-term measurable benefits, sounds like they are actually doing a better job of raising their young children (more time with friends and family).
Yeah, the numbers seem less like discrimination and more like different populations. I know that my school district favors low-income for pre-k enrollment, which in theory should include more minorities; I imagine many or even most other programs are similar.
White people are under attack by the Democrats.
They want 3rd world shitholes with a big socialist Democrat government filled with rich elite government bureaucrats and they know these people will tolerate that.
We already have that in big cities. The Democrats want to extend that model to the rest of us.
Thank goodness the white, male Volokh Conspiracy is here to vindicate the rights of -- and defend the perspectives of -- persecuted Whites in the hellscape of modern America.
"Treating Hispanics/Latinos as a uniform group makes little sense in general [. . .]"
"Surveys show that the vast majority of Hispanic/Latino Americans prefer [. . .]"
Pick a lane. You can't say something doesn't make sense, then use that same thing to bolster your arguments.
Treating Hispanics/Latinos as a uniform group makes little sense. Indeed, when pollsters ask people who fall within this poorly drawn classification about how they choose to identify themselves, most reject Hispanic/Latino as a primary identity in favor of distinct national identities, further demonstrating that treating them as a uniform group makes little sense.
"Catch-all Hispanic" has little meaning except for bigots.
The parades in NYC are the Puerto Rico day parade and the Filipino parades, not the Hispanic parade and not (G_d forbid) the Latinx parade.
“I’m just going to keep commenting on a book I haven’t read” is a good reminder to discount all your posts accordingly.
"Sammy Davis Jr"
A convert to a religion. Obviously not part of an "ethnic" group.
"Woody Allen, ... and Chaim Kanievsky
Born in Lithuania for Allen's dad and born in Poland for Kanievsky.
Obviously different races.
You are such a fool.
"common language and hundreds of years under common rule"
The "Hispanic" category isn't predicated on common language and common rule but on geographic origin and identity. While much of Latin America was ruled by the Spanish, others were not. Parts of it were never effectively ruled by colonial governments. Many other locations outside were ruled by the Spanish and Portuguese, creating cultures similar in many ways, and yet immigrants from those places are not considered Hispanic. Many people considered "Hispanic" speak Portuguese, French, English, German, or the myriad native languages; they do not all speak Spanish.
I have no issue with a term encompassing all Latin Americans but it has to be recognized that inflating "Hispanic" and "Latino" to mean immigrants from the former overlords isn't very reasonable. There are significant issues with the idea of shared history and government. The Aragonese portion did not share government with the rest of Spain until the 1700s and the colonial possessions were explicitly under Castilian jurisdiction, but immigrants from Barcelona are still considered Hispanic. Even if you grandfather in Aragon should the Italian domains be considered? They were only lost one hundred years before Latin American independence started, sharing ~150 years of monarchy. You can't exclude them simply because they didn't speak Spanish: Catalonians don't necessarily speak Spanish, nor do the Basque.
My point is that your idea of what makes the category "real" is purely ad hoc. Spaniards and Brazilians simply don't consider themselves to be part of one group, whether based on history, language, or monarch. If you want to benefit a disparate slice of immigrants and their descendants over others just be honest that the classification doesn't make sense instead of trying to explain it away as reasonable.
More substantively, the government inventing an ethnic group, as it did with "Hispanics" is different from "recognizing" one. Of course, recently-invented ethnic groups can be real if the people in them think they are real (see: "Palestinian"). And Hispanics, as noted, do accept it as a secondary identity. But they still (a) primarily think of themselves as something else; and (b) mostly consider themselves to be white, not members of a racial minority.
Either that or the interactions between race, nationality and ethnicity are complex and nuanced.
Folks, please read David's book. It's fact-filled rather than idealogical, but for that very reason it shows the absurdity of the attempt to pigeon-hole us all into identity categories. "Hispanic" is the worst, but if you've known more than a handful of "Black" or "African American" people you know that they aren't all either Barack Obama or Clarence Thomas (or Lincoln Theodore Monroe Andrew Perry aka Steppin Fetchit!).
Another colorblind white nationalist.