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Are Bumble Bees Fish? Are Fish Animals?
My eponymous co-blogger Eugene Volokh has called attention to a case that involves the question whether a bumble bee is a "fish" for purposes of a California statute. This kind of problem of surprising statutory scope comes up often (mischief rule to the rescue!). This particular case brought to mind a pithy case I sometimes teach in Remedies. It's Knox v. Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, 12 Mass. App. Ct. 407 (Mass. App. Ct. 1981), and is in the declaratory judgment chapter in the remedies casebook that Emily Sherwin and I are the editors of (Ames, Chafee, and Re on Remedies).
Knox raises the question whether goldfish count as "animals" under a Massachusetts statute. The court decides yes: "We merely conclude, in interpreting this humane statute designed to protect animals subject to possible neglect by prizewinners, that [it] applies to goldfish." The reason it's a remedies case is that it illustrates the kind of situation for which the declaratory judgment is apt, because the parties need an uncertainty clarified, and once it is clarified, they do not need further direction and management by the court.
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Of course goldfish are animals they share the same subphylum:
“vertebrate, also called Craniata, any animal of the subphylum Vertebrata, the predominant subphylum of the phylum Chordata. They have backbones, from which they derive their name.”
But of course insects are in a completely different phylum than fish, they aren't vertibrates, and are in the Arthropod phylum, which are also animals but definitely are not fish.
One can just imagine a statute read such that (given descent) all mammals, including humans, are fish.
That's one reason that biological clades should only be used in certain contexts.
And why paraphyletic groups are still useful! But polyphyletic groups are teh devil, except in film music.
So the catch limit on humans is 5?
"I went and shot the maximum the game laws would allow: two game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow." - Tom Lehrer
Didn't Utah have to set their catch limit to one in order to join the union or is that an urban myth?
“But of course insects are in a completely different phylum than fish, they aren’t vertibrates, and are in the Arthropod phylum, which are also animals but definitely are not fish.”
The problem in the California case is that the statute in question explicitly defined “fish” in such a way as to include marine mollusks (clams for example) and marine arthropods(lobsters and crabs for example). The California courts used that statutory definition to stretch the definition to cover a terrestrial arthropod.
No, the statutory definition did not refer to "marine mollusks" or "marine arthropods". Rather, it defined "fish" to include a "mollusk, crustacean, invertebrate, amphibian".
It takes many, many years of schooling to reach the point where you can state with a straight face that bees are fish. "Lawyer dumbasses." - David Behar
Haven't seen any posts by Daivd Behar in a while. Wonder if he finally got banned.
Not sure why he has (temporarily??) disappeared. How long does a 5150 hold last?
He was getting pretty direct in his insults. He was leaving The Reverand Arthur "You're a slackjaw!" Kirkland way back in the rearview mirror.
National parks have regulations against feeding, molesting, or being near animals. That was intended to mean don't mess with moose and bears and don't feed the squirrels. As far as I could tell from the literal meaning of the language if I saw an ant or butterfly I had to run 50 feet away from it.
(They had a ranger assigned to keep people from feeding chipmunks and magpies. It was obvious from the animals' behavior that as soon as she walked away the feeding would resume.)
"But why?"
"Because they become a nuisance, hanging around and grouping, pooping everywhere. It will even breed aggressive behavior, especially if there are too many. Too much of it and they may become dependent, losing their natural self-support behaviors."
You're talking about San Francisco and various other Dem run cities, right?
Hmm. "Wildlife" is defined as the entire animal kingdom except fish. (And of course "fish" is defined to include some mollusks and crustaceans.) But the regulations I see that say to stay 50 yards away deal with "large mammals" or specific animals like bison or bears, not "wildlife" in general.
On the other hand, 36 CFR § 2.2 does reference "wildlife", which seems to make getting bitten by a mosquito a crime. Or killing it. Or frightening it away. But on second thought, if you kill it you are by definition "hunting", which will either get you in *more* trouble or get you off the hook, depending on other regulations and permits and whatnot.
Rats are animals too.
This discussion brings to mind Graham Burnett's excellent 2007 book "Trying Leviathan", which concerns the 1818 case Maurice v. Judd in which the question whether a whale is a fish was tried and adjudicated. The answer was of some importance given excise taxes fish products, I believe. It's a well-written and informative account.