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What Law Professors Think About Legal Issues - and Why it Matters
A new study sheds interesting light on these questions.

A new study by MIT graduate student Eric Martinez and Georgetown law Prof. Kevin Tobia ("MT") gives us the most comprehensive view so far, of what law professors believe about a variety of legal and policy issues. They (unsurprisingly) find that the overwhelming majority of law professors are on the political left. A closely related, but more original finding, is that a large majority reject originalism as a method of constitutional interpretation. On the other hand, there are a number of important issues on which legal scholars have a surprising degree of cross-ideological consensus. That includes ideas about the goals of criminal justice and contract law, and the utility of textualism as a method of statutory interpretation (which is far more popular than originalism).
But before going into this, it's worth asking why we should even care what law professors think. Or at least why people who are not themselves lawyers, law students, or law professors should care. There are several reasons.
First, law professors are experts on a range of legal and policy issues. With some important caveats, expert opinion is a helpful heuristic for getting at the truth of disputed issues, especially when there is a broad consensus among experts in the relevant field. Of course experts are far from infallible. They can be and often are wrong about issues within their expertise. But, on average, they are more likely to be right about such issues than laypeople.
Second, law professors can influence the views of law students, who - of course - go on to be the next generation of lawyers. Lawyers, in turn, have disproportionate influence on a wide range of public policies. A high proportion of politicians and other policymakers are lawyers, as - of course - are nearly all judges. Maybe lawyers shouldn't have so much influence. But they do.
Finally, a good many lawprofs have a direct influence on the development of law and public policy. Courts often adopt ideas that were first developed by academics. A striking example from the political left is how feminist legal scholar Catharine MacKinnon's argument that sexual harassment is a form of sex discrimination was eventually adopted by the Supreme Court, with major consequences for the development of anti-discrimination law. An example on the right is the key role played by conservative and libertarian legal scholars in persuading the Supreme Court to restore judicial protection for gun rights under the Second Amendment. Maybe courts shouldn't be influenced by the ideas of law professors. But they often are.
Even outside the courts, lawprofs sometimes have significant influence on government policy. For example, Harvard law Prof. Cass Sunstein has helped influence governments around the world to adopt policies based on "nudging" and other forms of "libertarian paternalism."
For all these reasons, Martinez and Tobia's findings on the views of law professors are potentially significant. When it comes to their general political orientation, lawprofs are overwhelmingly on the left. MT's survey results shows that 81% of their sample of lawprofs at top 20 schools (as ranked by US News) identify as "liberal" compared to 12% who are "middle of the road" and 7% "conservative." Indeed, "conservatives" of all stripes are heavily outnumbered just by the 22% who identify as "very liberal." The sample of professors at top 50 schools not in the top 20, is only slightly less liberal (72% liberal, 14% middle of the road, 12% conservative).
This result is consistent with previous studies of law professor ideology. But MT's data is more recent and more comprehensive. In addition, because it was produced by scholars who are themselves on the left, it is hard to dismiss as just self-interested griping by conservatives.
An ideological imbalance this great is significant, and likely has at least some skewing effect on research and teaching. That's true even if the imbalance is not due to discrimination in hiring (though evidence suggests some probably is). To be clear, I do not claim that law faculties' ideological balance should "look like America" or that such a result would be achieved if only there were no discrimination in hiring. We don't need the former, and the latter almost certainly isn't true. But, for a variety of reasons, it would be better if the ideological skew were not as great as it currently is. For example, much social science research indicates that ideological homogeneity in groups accentuates various cognitive biases and inhibits the pursuit of truth.
I do have one reservation about the result generated by MT's ideology question. Respondents to their survey could choose from "conservative," "liberal," and "middle of the road" options, but there is no category for "libertarian" or "classical liberal." Such an approach is defensible in surveys of the general population, where people with libertarian views may be only a very small minority (depending on which measure you use), and many probably don't even know what the term "libertarian" means. By contrast, it is likely that a high percentage of non-liberal law professors are in fact libertarians rather than conservatives, and most lawprofs likely do know the word "libertarian."
How do I know? Because the pool of non-liberal lawprofs at top 50 and top 20 institutions is a small enough group that I am personally acquainted with the vast majority of the people in question. And in my experience, at least a third to a half of them are in fact libertarians (the ambiguity is because of differences over exactly where to draw the line). Thus, failing to include "libertarian" or other similar option on the survey is likely to skew the results. That's especially true in an era when growing conflict between libertarians and conservatives have made the two groups increasingly reluctant to identify with each other. Thus, many of the libertarians in MT's sample may have picked "middle of the road" or even "liberal" rather than identify as "conservative." Even so, correcting for this flaw would probably have still led to a finding that the overwhelming majority of lawprofs are on the left, though perhaps slightly less so.
Closely related to the finding on ideology is the result that only 17% of lawprofs in the study "accept" or "lean towards" originalism as a method of constitutional interpretation, while 76% "reject" or "lean against" it. By contrast, 70% support "living constitutionalism" and 61% support "common law constitutionalism" (in the sense of picking "accept" or "lean towards"). In my view, common law constitutionalism is actually a subset of living constitutionalism, but MT classify it separately.
Because the study's methodology allows respondents to "accept" or "lean towards" more than one methodology, this likely overstates the degree of support for all three theories (in the sense of the percentage of respondents for whom a given option is actually the theory they prefer above all others). But that makes it all the more striking that so few respondents support originalism even in this attenuated sense.
The authors report that support for originalism is highly correlated with ideology. Conservatives are far more likely to accept it than liberals. This, perhaps, is not surprising. We see the same correlations in surveys of the general public. But, as the authors point out, the result is at odds with perceptions that originalism is rapidly gaining ground in the intellectual world, and with Justice Elena Kagan's famous statement that "we are all originalists." When it comes to the legal academy, she's pretty clearly wrong. Indeed, MT find that support for originalism (17%) is only slightly greater than backing for prison abolitionism (13%) and substantially less popular than the radical idea of granting legal personhood to "non-human animals" (31%).
On the other hand, 61% of law professor "accept" or "lean towards" the use of textualism as a methodology for statutory interpretation. That backing cuts across ideological lines and is only modestly less than support for "purposivism" (77%), and "pragmatism" (73%), while outstripping "intentionalism" (54%).
While textualism is often seen as closely associated with originalism, with both being championed by conservative judges such as the late Antonin Scalia, many legal scholars clearly differentiate between the two, and have a favorable opinion of one, but not the other. For what it is worth, I find the same divergence in student attitudes when I teach constitutional law and legislation classes. Originalism tends to be a highly polarizing topic, with people on the right mostly supporting it, while those on the left mostly don't. By contrast, many liberal students seem to like textualism, and even those that don't rarely object to it as strongly as they do to originalism.
Textualism is just one of a number of issues on which there is considerable cross-ideological agreement in MT's study. Other examples include the purposes of criminal law (where large majorities agree that deterrence, rehabilitation, and incapacitation are all legitimate objectives), and the purposes of contract law. The agreement on criminal law is particularly striking, as I would have expected more left-wingers to reject the notion that we should imprison people for the purpose of preventing them from committing possible future crimes during the time they are are incarcerated (that's what "incapacitation" means). I think that notion is deeply problematic and illiberal. But the vast majority of lawprofs (most of whom are well to the left of me!) apparently disagree.
On the other hand, only 40% of lawprofs in the survey accept or lean towards "retributivism" as a rationale for criminal punishment. That theory, of course, is the most intuitive rationale for punishment, and likely has much broader backing from the general public.
There is much other interesting data in the MT article, which I cannot take the time and space to go over here. They have clearly advanced our understanding of legal academics' attitudes on a wide range of issues. There is also much room for others to build on their research. For example, more needs to be done to determine whether lawprofs specializing in a given area, such as contracts or property, have different views on issues within that field than those who do not.
NOTE: I have used rounding in reporting the survey data figures.
UPDATE: I have made minor additions to this post.
UPDATE 2: I have changed "TM" to "MT" as the abbreviation for the authors' names, because Martinez is actually listed first.
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For sure, no one should care what you think about national sovereignty, "Open Borders" Somin.
What difference does it make when Trump refuses to deport illegal alien pedophile rapists and allows in an Iraqi Muslim intent on assassinating former presidents into the country?? All the while Trump spent billions building a wall to keep out Mexican turtles…although those are some bad tortugas. 😉
These scumbags take intelligent and ethical young people and turn them into dumbasses with supernatural beliefs. They induct them into the most toxic occupation, 1000 times more destructive than organized crime and the font of all social pathology in our nation.
The members of the ALI and endowed professorships make a convenient arrest list for a swift trial and summary execution for treason.
Hey dumbasses, every self stated goal of every law subject is in failure. A student in Life Skills class learning to eat with a spoon has more common sense, and would make a far better Supreme Court Justice than those we have. This occupation stinks, and it is the fault of these academic lawyers.
Do any of the surveyed professors think the profession stinks, or do they think, they are just the best? Everyone on the bus and in the diner knows how bad they are.
the radical idea of granting legal personhood to "non-human animals" (31%).
Do you not understand the rent seeking theory explains all the idiocy and failure of the lawyer profession?
For example, much social science research indicates that ideological homogeneity in groups accentuates various cognitive biases and inhibits the pursuit of truth.
No, you suck at everything you do. Not a single legal decision has reliability statistics, let alone validation. Forget about safety and effectiveness entirely. You stink, you vile, toxic quacks. Your only success is to take our $trillion and to return nothing of the slightest value. You have no self awareness, but everyone else knows you well.
I knew DaivdBehar would have something to say about this article that was very negative. He does not disappoint.
This is a Wendy's, Sir.
I used to keep him muted when I read this site but I forgot how much fun I was missing. Between him, the queen, and the reverend, it can be such fun reading the comments.
not intellectually stimulating, but it has happened, just appealing to my perverse sense of humor and the realization the conversation I had with the drive through attendant was more based in reality and fact than what I read of their writings.
I like the kernel of truth there, and nobody should ever forget it: lawyers get bigger paychecks in lawsuits the more damage is done.
Therefore they beat the drum, hire professionals, and train plaintiffs to scream and feint and shudder with tears coming down their eyes.
The harrassment stuff is the poster child for this. What started as ending deep, pervasive, and repeated harrassing behaviors (beyomd tit for tat, long illegal) morphed and morphed and morphed, to justify ever-weaker lawsuits.
Now they talk in terms of "micro-aggressions", which, by very definition, is not the kind of soul-shattering effect that lead to anti-harrassment laws to begin with.
But suing, on the way! Any little slight!
The toxic lawyer profession beating the drum, not for curing society, but for lining their pockets, which requires a social background cachet of massive evil and damage, to justify large, superyacht-sized payouts from a jury.
This bs repeats over and over. They even laugh that it is about convincing juries i.e. scientifically illiterate yokels.
What fraction is legitimate "making people whole", and what fraction is "making people whole", where the hole in the whole is 99% drum beating fraudulent exaggeration?
Bingo! Daivd, the queen, and the rev: those are my three mutes.
I only wish there were an additional option with muting, where you could specify that the entire sub thread under the muted item would be invisible until you unmuted it. That way all the back and forth that the troll engenders would also be invisible to those who want to actually discuss and debate the issues presented here.
"That's especially true in an era when growing conflict between libertarians and conservatives have made the two groups increasingly reluctant to identify with each other. Thus, many of the libertarians in TM's sample may have picked "middle of the road" or even "liberal" rather than identify as "
The faction of 'libertarians' stuck on the 'libertarian = socially liberal/ economically conservative' meme and are in practice only for lessening government overreach for the few things leftists like (so are pro slave cake baking as long as they have pot) might as well be classed as leftwing.
The deeper motive behind the socially liberal, financially conservative libertarian impulse is "stop using government to enforce your asinine ideas on how others should behave".
I don't care if you were suckered in by well-forged, shining religions born of wandering nomads, or more modern ones like Mao's little red book.
No, I shan't "Pray for communism, if you only knew what it was!" That sentence unintentionally demonstrates how politics and religions are the same phenomenon, not just similar ones. Bind large numbers of rubes together to seize control over everybody.
Eric Martínez has a law degree. (I don't know if he's a lawyer.) He is a PhD student in brain and cognitive science at MIT. This is what he says on the Tedlab web site:
"My interests lie in law and language--in particular how lawyers and non-lawyers understand and interpret legal concepts through language. I received my law degree from Harvard in 2019, and I am currently working with Ted Gibson and Frank Mollica to better understand (a) how and why the language that lawyers write tends to be so complex and difficult to understand for non-lawyers; and (b) how legal language might be simplified for all of society's benefit (especially those who have been traditionally marginalized by the legal system)."
(a) how and why the language that lawyers write tends to be so complex and difficult to understand for non-lawyers; and (b) how legal language might be simplified for all of society's benefit (especially those who have been traditionally marginalized by the legal system)."
Did you say, Harvard Law?
Hey dumbass, a) rent seeking; b) any legal utterance with a readability level above the 6th grade is void.
Only hard to a Harvard Law dumbass.
My takeaway: There is a considerable degree of constitutional interpretation and statutory interpretation diversity, if I am reading this correctly.
Isn't that actually a good thing?
In science, it's bad form to question the questioner. Instead, address the arguments.
In law and politics, the opposite is true. Hidden motives hide behind all actions. If you address the argument sans questioning the questioner, you've failed already, as that is part of their obscurantism.
"Follow the money" is a good place to start.
Law schools are cesspools of Marxism is what you are saying. They need to be depoliticized and the profs need to take loyalty oaths to the Bill of Rights and Economic Liberty
Heck, no. They need to be de-exempted, defunded, de-accredited, and shut down. Then seize their assets in civil forfeiture for tax fraud. To deter. Do the entire Top Tier. To deter.
Perhaps you should review the First Amendment in the BoR.
Is there any data which supports the statement that "expert opinion is a helpful heuristic for getting at the truth of disputed issues, especially when there is a broad consensus among experts in the relevant field." We have things such as lead (in paint and fuel) and eugenics (and gravity, planetary motion, et c.) to suggest that the contrary is frequently true... but little to prove the affirmative.
It may be more accurate to say that "Expert opinion is a helpful heuristic for getting at the most profitable consensus regarding disputed issues, especially when there is broad consensus in the relative field." To be more specific, most experts work for personal profit, not for "the Truth" and the existence of a cabal does not necessarily make the views of the cabal "the Truth."
most experts work for personal profit, not for "the Truth" .
Scientists don't get into science for the profits, they get into it to understand the universe.
Plus government grants are not conditioned on a particular result; that's part of why they're not contracts.
To be fair I think people's motives are as varied as there are people themselves.
In my STEM college, the graduates interested in money went to the hedge funds.
I think everyone gravitates to their skill set, but I don't think that speaks to motives. I've known plenty of physicians and surgeons, for example, who were truly gifted yet have admitted to me the only reason they were in it was for the money.
Surgeons are quite well paid for their skillset.
Scientists (both experimentalist and theorists) have a skillset that has a number of potential professional avenues, and truth-seeking is one of the less well paid ones.
I think most scientists "get into it" because it's reasonably interesting work that pays reasonably well. About the same reason for most lawyers' career choices. If you want to say that lawyers get into law to ensure that justice and ordered liberty prevail, you could, but most people don't have ambitions that grand.
I think cross-ideological consensus on an issue is enormously more reliable as a heuristic for the truth than ideologically correlated consensus. It's a sort of "admission against interest" for the people crossing ideological lines. By contrast consensus that aligns with ideology could simply be falling out of that ideology without rigorous evaluation.
The big problem with this sort of overwhelming ideological bias in academia is that widespread perspectives in the larger society are simply not represented, and thus likely to be seriously evaluated; Even when addressed, they'll get strawmanned. It really is academically bad to have this level of ideological agreement at an institution, let alone across institutions.
I think cross-ideological consensus on an issue is enormously more reliable as a heuristic for the truth than ideologically correlated consensus.
The trouble is that too many essentially non-ideological issues become ideological when consequences and relevant policies come into the picture.
I wouldn't argue with that, though we might argue on the details.
But the effect is that vast swaths of understanding become permanently open questions.
In reality, this kind of inhibiting distrust of consensus is not how technology development works, or we'd have almost no tech improvements.
But it's perfectly appropriate that consensus is easy to achieve in technological issues, and hard in moral/legal issues: Technological issues relate to objective physical matters, the ultimate tensile strength of an alloy, or the baud rate sustainable by a router, are capable of objective determination. Reality is that which doesn't care about your opinion, so your opinion better take reality into account if you don't want your bridge to fall down.
Moral/ideological issues tend to relate heavily to matter of, fundamentally, opinion. They're closer to art than science in this respect. So you generally can't expect a consensus to automatically develop, there's rarely any kind of underlying reality to force that.
I mean, seriously, political science departments can't even agree to drop Marxism, and that it fails is about as objective as you get in politics. You expect consensus on matters of taste? The only reason academia is developing such strong ideological consensus on so many things is that, as Ilya notes in passing, there has been an ideological purge and hiring ban at many institutions. You can always generate a consensus on an opinion by banning people who don't share it.
But there are essentially technical issues where the division is pretty much along ideological lines.
Climate change is an obvious example. Various issues around sexuality, risks and mitigation strategies around Covid, are others.
One question worth asking is what the consensus is before the issue comes into public view.
Once technical matters drive political decisions, the politics floods back and dominates the technical matters, because politics tends not to tolerate competing power centers, so it takes over any institution that ends up dictating how a political matter will turn out.
If you're looking for reliable technical consensus, it has to be on some topic that isn't driving public policy, unfortunately.
1. Climate change, “issues around sexuality”, vivid strategies, to the extent that they are technical issues, are all pre having worked out the technical answers issues. Since the technicalities have not been worked out people cannot rely on technical answers. Hence it is hardly surprising if people fill in the gaps with value judgements.
2. But in reality none of these things are technical in the sense that perfect understanding of the technicalities would end all disagreement. In reality they are value questions informed by technicalities.
Covid seems to have auto spelt itself into vivid
You say most things are objective. But then above you talk about needing cross-ideological consensus.
You are usually the cynical one among us; you don't see how easy it is to put a fly in that consensus ointment, thus halting progress in both science and associated tech?
No, bringing some external, ideology-based standard to bear is not a good test of truth-value.
And then you go off on Marxism, rather proving my point.
I mean, seriously, political science departments can't even agree to drop Marxism,
What does it mean to "drop" Marxism?
Marxism has had enormous influence on world affairs over the past century+. Should it simply be ignored as a subject of study? That doesn't seem right.
Not to mention Marxist analysis, which is a methodology and has nothing to do with communism.
Ignored as a subject of study? No, just as we shouldn't in studying history ignore the thoughts of monarchists, antebellum apologists for slavery, or fascists. Ignored as a valid prescription for the organization of society? Yes. Is that complicated?
You know what I meant by "drop Marxism", don't play dumb. They're not studying Marxism from a "world-wide scourge" perspective. They're studying it from a "Next time we'll get it right!" perspective.
As is so often the case in discussions of ideology among academics, the writers appear to suppose without proof that ideology precedes expertise, and abidingly influences expert opinion. That seems a cynical view.
It should not be so often reiterated, without at least some attempt to sort out whether the influence runs in the opposite direction, or whether ideology and academic expertise are not inherently correlated at all. For instance, if pre-existing conservative ideology encourages avoidance of academic careers, a preponderance of liberal ideology in academic fields may have little or nothing to do with things specifically academic. It could be an academically meaningless default, paradoxically delivered by a conservative bias.
Stevie Boy: academics are tax sucking parasites, thus they support the growth of government. See you next Tuesday.
"It could be an academically meaningless default, paradoxically delivered by a conservative bias."
Isn't that just another way of saying, "Ideology precedes non-expertise?"
Also since none of the country's top conservative law schools are in the US News top 20 list, I could see how there's a built-in bias to this study (while highlighting the absolutely unsurprising fact that none of the country's top conservative law schools are in the US News top 20 list).
Ave Maria Law of Law – Florida
Brigham Young University J. Reuben Clark Law School – Provo, Utah
George Mason University Antonin Scalia Law School – Arlington, Virginia
Faulkner University’s Thomas Goode Jones Law School – Montgomery, Alabama
Texas Tech University School of Law – Lubbock, Texas
University of Alabama School of Law – Tuscaloosa, Alabama
Louisiana State University M. Hebert Law Center – Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Mississippi College School of Law – Jackson, Mississippi
The University of Idaho College of Law – Moscow, Idaho
University of Mississippi Law Center – Mississippi
I am surprised that GMU law school isn't in the country's top 20.
Might have to ask Prof. Bernstein about that.
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings
If that is a list of conservative law schools, where are Regent and Liberty?
I said top ten not bottom ten.
And Prof. Blackman's law school isn't listed on any list.
Does it even exist?
Ave Maria is considered superior to Regent or Liberty? That surprises me, although I don't think much about which shit-rate right-wing law school is worse than the other bottom-scraping conservative law school.
I am surprised that GMU law school isn't in the country's top 20.
Meh. It's #30.
I don't think the US News rankings are particularly precise, except maybe for general tiers. Even there a lot of it - 40% - is opinions of law faculty, lawyers, and judges, so there's going to be a lot of inertia.
How much precision is required to understand or demonstrate that strong law schools are operated by and for the liberal-libertarian mainstream while conservative law schools are downscale goober production facilities?
and the utility of textualism as a method of statutory interpretation (which is far more popular than originalism)
I find this utterly mystifying. "Originalism" is simply the rule that, to the extent that there is a difference between the current meaning of a legal text, and its meaning at the time that it was promulgated, the latter wins. It is no more than an intra-textualism rule for interpreting text that has become ambiguous because of semantic change between the time the law first arrived on the scene, and now.
If textualism is much more popular than originalism, this implies that there is a large body of textualists who believe that some other rule should resolve such ambiguities, or that there should be no rule and it should be left to the discretion of the judge. Who actually believes this ? And what rationale do they offer for rejecting the original meaning in favor of the current meaning ?
It's not that complicated. As you note, "originalism" is largely just the notion that if word meanings have changed, you have to use the word meanings from the time a document originated. It's textualism plus the rule of fixity.
Textualism shorn of that rule allows you to change the meanings of documents by redefining words. It's sort of a halfway camp between originalism and living constitutionalism, it abandons fixity, and thus allows you to gain most of the advantages of living constitutionalism without being seen as openly repudiating the actual constitution.
When Kagan said that we were all originalists, she didn't mean that literally, I suspect. Rather, because originalism is just in much better public repute than living constitutionalism, any constitutional scholar who wants their work to be accepted as legitimate by the public (As a Supreme court Justice has to.) has to be seen as practicing it, even if they aren't really. It's a practical necessity.
This is not to say that the general public understands the details of originalism, just that orginalism generally matches how the lay public expects constitutions to be interpreted. (I've often said that you didn't need "originalism" until you had living constitutionalism to contrast it with; Prior to that it was just called "reading".)
So, textualism minus fixity serves that end, it's much easier to argue that the text actually supports you, especially if you've got Merriam Webster running interference for you.
As a secondary approach, of course, the living constitutionalists are actively trying to subvert and take over originalism. That's Jack Balkin's whole 'living originalism' project. And they've had a great deal of success at getting orignalists to accept concepts like 'constitutional liquidation' which subvert the whole notion of originalism.
I think, frankly, originalism came too late to save the Constitution, too many anti-originalist developments had accumulated before it gained traction. They lack the radical impulse necessary to recapture so much lost territory, and at most can slow the losses.
Remind me again. . . which "originalism" are we talking about?
Framework Originalism
Intrinsicist Originalism
Instrumental Originalism
Original Intent
Original Meaning
Original Methods Originalism
Original Public Meaning
Semantic Originalism
Structuralism
Textualism
All the real "originalisms" tend to converge except in pathological cases, you know. Because the authors wrote the text to textually communicate their meaning, publicly promoted that meaning, resulted in the public coming to the same understanding of the meaning.
All the real "originalisms" tend to converge except in pathological cases, you know.
This is not true. Baude is an originalist, and tends libertarian, and disagrees with originalism as politically practiced more often than not.
If you limit it to originalism as politically cited, then it tends to agree because the various originalists are almost all on the right. Which is actually a pretty good burn on originalism as an outcome-oriented practice.
Actually, it's a pretty good burn on living constitutionalism: Almost all people on the left are living constitutionalists, because you can't get congenial meanings out of a lot of the Constitution without pulling them out of your asses. Whereas conservatives usually can, just because they don't want the government doing as much, and as new, of stuff, so their aims are actually more in keeping with its original intent.
Because living constitutionalism is defined by originalists as everything that isn't originalism it's still a burn on originalists.
Everyone who isn't an originalist doesn't care for the pinched legal outcomes originalists push, because originalism was created for outcome-oriented reasons.
If you want a proof by exception, look again at Baude. He's an originalist but an actual scholar in it. And his outcomes have ended up not what the political originalist movement wants. So you ignore him.
Remind me again. . . which "originalism" are we talking about?
The rule as stated by me, thus :
"Originalism" is simply the rule that, to the extent that there is a difference between the current meaning of a legal text, and its meaning at the time that it was promulgated, the latter wins.
and summarised by Brett as "the rule of fixity."
Is this rule something you reject ? Or something that you accept, but call something else ?
Depends on the meaning of "meaning."
"Originalism" is simply the rule that, to the extent that there is a difference between the current meaning of a legal text, and its meaning at the time that it was promulgated, the latter wins.
I don't think so. It seems to me to be a mish-mash of old dictioaries and "It was never meant to....," despite the plain meaning, based on shaky history.
What did the word "person" in the 14th Amendment mean in 1868?
Constitutional interpretation is not just about textualism, it's about dealing with the intentional ambiguities like 'the judicial power.'
It's my experience that, if somebody views 'ambiguity' as a grant of decision making power, rather than a troublesome lack of guidance, they'll tend to see a LOT more ambiguity around. You might say the amount of actual ambiguity in the Constitution is ambiguous.
Only Thomas would view the Supreme Court's decision making power based on the Constitution to be uncabinned by precedent.
Every single one of them, without exception, is willing to violate precedent if they consider the matter important. Every. Last. One. Of. Them.
And you know that, which is why you chose an ambiguous term like "uncabinned" to hide behind.
Constitutional interpretation is not just about textualism
But textualists give pride of place to ..... the text. We are not trying to puzzle out why non textualists don't like originalism. We are trying to puzzle out why lots of Law Profs who say they approve of textualism, nevertheless disapprove of originalism.
The hunt is for what sort of textualist rejects the idea that the original meaning beats the current meaning. Not for what sort of something-else-ism rejects the idea that original meaning beats current meaning. We are told that the legal academy is bursting with anti-originalist textualists.
The sort of textualism that wears the text like a sheep's skin over its wolfy reality, that's what sort of textualism. Textualism without fixity achieves its ends by keeping the words, and proclaiming the meanings of the words have changed.
The hunt is for what sort of textualist rejects the idea that the original meaning beats the current meaning.
An errant assumption that original meaning is freely available underlies that bit of nonsense. It is not freely available. Originalism as practiced by modern lawyers is built on a logical contradiction—a mistaken premise that analysis utterly entangled in modern context is capable to discern meanings imparted by historical context of which the modernist remains unaware.
Within the historical context of the founding era, for instance, neither modern legal problems, nor the modern context used now for analysis were even slightly accessible. Both were utterly unimaginable at the time. Back then, an entirely different historical context conditioned the meaning of the text the modernist now proposes to analyze.
If that critique seems obscure, try to think about it this way. Ideas which supply most of the cognitive furniture available to a modern person were completely unavailable to anyone during the founding era. That literally means that most of what a modern lawyer can think, and does think, historical figures from the founding era could not think. For examples, they could not think of: libertarianism; of controversies concerning the proper size and role of government; of political terrorism; of social and political equality for women; of any notion resembling a religious freedom restoration act; of multiple flavors of due process; of legal controversies over abortion; of biologically-based medical science; of psychology; of anyone being an, "economist"; of gun control, except in terms of military advantage or convenience; of anything to do with a computerized society; of worldwide real-time communication; of levels of legal scrutiny; of the evolution of species; of ecology; of weapons with world-annihilating power; of a petroleum-based economy; of a welfare state; of what lay between the Mississippi River and the Pacific Ocean; of a national policy not subject to influence by Indians; of medical science and public health policy; of industrialism; of climate change; of communism; of a consumer economy; of microbes or antibiotics; of the notion of renewable energy; of steamboats, or railroads, or aviation; of the notion of expertise; of urban fire departments or police departments; of materials science; of public schools; of pollution as an environmental threat; of bureaucracy; of agriculture without manure or crop rotation; of species extinctions — the list goes on and on. Every topic on it opens to view an expanding realm of thought which cannot possibly have affected historical context.
On any such list, everything included is in some way a notion invented between then and now. Each such notion is thus salient, and determinative of context for us, but unknown, and irrelevant to context for historical figures.
Before any modern person can accurately discern contextual meaning from a centuries-old text, that modern person must recognize comprehensively the myriad thoughts commonplace to us, but impossible for someone to think 230 years ago. It takes a great deal of work to learn to do that—years of intensive immersion in original records of all kinds, actually. Without such training, a modern intellect will fail every time to recognize a modernist notion gratuitously attributed to an antique text.
Few if any lawyers have ever done that work. Thus, so-called, "originalist," lawyers and judges invariably read into historical contexts the irrelevant modern ideas upon which those lawyers and judges are currently engaged. The alleged, "originalism," that practice develops becomes nothing more than pretense to scholarly authority, used to sanctify by a show of mumbo jumbo whatever thoroughly modern objective has drawn focus. What parades as contextual analysis of an antique text in actuality becomes a regurgitation of modern terms, which after all provide the entire cognitive resource the present-minded analyst has available for use.
That is originalism as it is currently practiced. Perhaps it could be improved with more historical study. I doubt there is much market for that among the legal community. They seem content with the contextual grotesqueries delivered by the likes of Heller, Dobbs, and Bruen.
I wonder to what extent the overwhelming 'liberal' dominance of academia tends to shift the meanings of these self-designations among academics?
I mean, if you're in an environment where basically everybody is left-wing, you might tend to think yourself a "conservative" if you were just more conservative than your colleagues, a "moderate" if you were shrinking from outright Marxism, and so forth. It's possible these self evaluations are systematically shifted to the left relative to the meanings of the terms in the general population, due to this local reference points issue.
If that's the case, the left dominates academia to an even greater extent than these self-reports would indicate.
Is there any research determining these labels by reference to positions on issues, not self-labeling, so that the results could be compared to a non-academic population?
OTOH, if everyone around you thinks that conservatives are moronic scum, and that all intelligent and caring people are liberals, you may tend to describe yourself as liberal, even if your actual beliefs aren't that liberal. I think that is fairly common among law professors.
"Respondents to their survey could choose from "conservative," "liberal," and "middle of the road" options, but there is no category for "libertarian" or "classical liberal.""
Am I the only one that sees this is a huge flaw in the study?
I'd call it a flaw, but not a huge one; There are both conservative and liberal libertarians, after all.
Libertarianism, at least originally, was all about what means were permissible to use, and much less about the ends those means could be used to pursue. Liberal vs conservative is more a matter of ends.
I dunno, I just see it as leaving everyone off who doesn't fit into the classic left-right axis.
Conservative: There is value in established traditions as hard-wrought wisdom. Conservatives don't think things shouldn't be changed, but only with well-pondered debate.
Liberal: Society needs large breaks with the past to save it from itself.
Neither has a care inherent about how much they get to rummage through your pockets or pants.
The primary benefit of expert opinion is that it sometimes derives from first principles rather than being driven by the advocacy of a specific outcome.
But not always.
"Living constitutionalism" is a lot like Calvinball.