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Removal of Books With "Lascivious Content" from School Libraries Likely Constitutionally Permissible
So holds a federal district court, also stressing that "this case does not involve banning books": "A school district does not 'ban' a book when ... it 'decides not to continue possessing [a] book on its own library shelves.'"
From C.K.-W. v. Wentzville R-IV School Dist., decided Friday by Judge Matthew Schelp (E.D. Mo.); assuming the facts are as described, the decision seems legally correct to me as to K-12 public school libraries (though the analysis would be quite different as to removals of speakers from government property that the government has opened up as a limited public forum for private speech):
Plaintiffs seek to enjoin Defendant, the Wentzville R-IV School District, from following its policy that allows parents, guardians, and students to initiate challenges to library materials, and Plaintiffs also ask the Court to require the District to restore access to any books it has removed from school libraries during the most recent school year…. Plaintiffs have failed to show that the relevant factors weigh in favor of a preliminary injunction in this case ….
Plaintiffs' characterization of this case {referencing the "Banned Books" in this case no fewer than thirty-five times} makes it important at the outset for the Court to clarify something: this case does not involve banning books. The District has not banned the books at issue here, and, despite repeatedly calling this a case on book bans, Plaintiffs make no factual allegations about anyone banning any books. Nowhere do Plaintiffs allege that the District has prohibited anyone from reading, owning, possessing, or discussing any book. Rather, through a policy enacted by its elected school board, the District allows librarians to use their best judgment to remove books in select scenarios, and, through another policy, the District temporarily has removed a limited number of other books while it determines their propriety for inclusion in the District's libraries.
The District's policy does not ban the District's students from reading the books at issue here. Nor does it ban students from acquiring the books or lending the books to others. Students may borrow the books from the public library or from a friend or neighbor. They likewise are free to purchase the books. The policy does not even ban students from bringing the books at issue to the District's schools. Nor does it ban students from discussing the books at school during their free time or encouraging others to read them…. [T]he "overwrought rhetoric about book banning has no place" in this case. Cf. Bd. of Educ. v. Pico (1982) (principal case on which Plaintiffs rely that, despite similar facts, does not use the word ban or any similar language to describe the board's actions). A school district does not "ban" a book when, "through its authorized school board," it "decides not to continue possessing [a] book on its own library shelves."
Having discussed what the policies at issue here do not do, the Court now examines how the policies here actually operate. Two policies of the District, enacted by its elected school board, are chiefly at issue in this case. Board Regulation 6310 … provides that "access to library/media materials will be based upon the contribution to the education program and the age appropriateness of the materials." It allows librarians in the District to withdraw and discard materials that are "soiled, damaged, or torn beyond repair," materials that "exceed[ ] age sensitivity," and materials that "contain unreliable information."
Another Board Regulation provides an alternative avenue by which materials can be removed from District libraries. Board Regulation 6241 … recognizes that "honest differences of opinion may arise about books or materials used in public schools." To that end, 6241 provides a process for the "impartial and orderly" evaluation of complaints the District receives to a specific book or other "material." After a principal receives a complaint, 6241 provides that the book will be "removed from use, pending committee study and final action by the Board of Education, unless the material questioned is a basic text." Within fifteen days of receiving the complaint, the Superintendent of Schools appoints a nine-person "review committee" that must consist of an administrator of the building involved, three teachers, a member of the Board of Education, and four "lay persons."
Within twenty days of the appointment of the review committee, 6241 provides the committee must meet, review the written request for reconsideration, read the questioned materials, evaluate, and prepare a written report of its findings and recommendations to the Superintendent of Schools wherein the committee may recommend the material be retained "without restriction," retained "with restriction" or not retained. At the next meeting of the locally elected, publicly accountable Board of Education, the Superintendent will report the committee's recommendation to the Board, which then makes the "final" decision on whether to retain the material. The principal of the school will then "see that the decision of the Board is carried out."
The court focused on three books that were "indefinitely removed from the District's libraries," which were Fun Home, All Boys Aren't Blue, and Heavy. (It also discussed five other books which were restored or were still under review or were otherwise not indefinitely removed, but I omit that for space reason.) Here is what the court said about those three books, and about the legal issue more generally:
Plaintiffs allege that the removal of books from the District's libraries is "part of a targeted campaign" by two private groups "to remove particular ideas and viewpoints about race and sexuality from school libraries," and that the District's "failure to use established, regular, and facially unbiased procedures for the removal of books" and its "policy of removing materials immediately upon challenge demonstrates that the [materials] have been removed on an arbitrary basis and not in a viewpoint-neutral manner," Plaintiffs assert that the District removed the books "with the intent and purpose of preventing all students from accessing" them, and they allege the "decisive factor" in the decision to remove the books was a "dislike of the ideas or opinions contained in the books by policymakers, school officials, community members, or a combination of those."
They contend the policies themselves and the removal of the books at issue violate the First Amendment rights of students "by restricting their access to ideas and information for an improper purpose." Plaintiffs seek to enjoin Defendant, the Wentzville R-IV School District, from following its policy that allows parents, guardians, and students to initiate challenges to library materials and require the District to restore access to any books it has removed from school libraries during the most recent school year….
Plaintiffs rely heavily on the plurality opinion of Justice Brennan in Board of Ed. v. Pico, a case that sharply divided the Supreme Court and that produced seven opinions, none of which garnered a majority. Justice Brennan's plurality opinion, "a lavish expansion going beyond any prior holding under the First Amendment, expresse[d] its view that a school board's decision concerning what books are to be in the school library is subject to federal-court review." (Burger, C.J., dissenting, joined by Powell, Rehnquist, and O'Connor, JJ.). Justice Brennan's plurality opinion in Pico, however, is not binding [precisely because it wasn't a majority opinion—ed.]
Indeed, it is not clear what, if anything, from Pico is binding on the case here. See Griswold v. Driscoll (1st Cir. 2010) (Souter, J.) (describing Pico's "rule of decision" as "unclear"). To determine what is binding from Pico, it is necessary to determine the "position taken by those Members who concurred in the judgments on the narrowest grounds." Justice White's opinion therefore controls. See also Griswold (explaining "Justice White concurred in [Pico's] judgment without announcing any position on the substantive First Amendment claim"); Muir v. Ala. Educ. Television Comm'n (5th Cir. 1982) (en banc) (finding Justice White's opinion had the narrowest grounds for the judgment and therefore concluding the Court did not decide the "extent" or even the "existence" of "First Amendment implications in a school book removal case").
Justice White affirmed the judgment below because he was "not inclined to disagree with the Court of Appeals" that a material issue of fact precluded summary judgment. That material issue of fact was "the reason or reasons underlying the school board's removal of the books." He wrote that while the Justice Brennan plurality "seem[ed] compelled" to "issue a dissertation on the extent to which the First Amendment limits the discretion of the school board to remove books from the school library," he would not reach that constitutional question until it was "necessary to do so." At most, Justice White's concurrent position suggests it is conceivable that the First Amendment imposed some degree of limitations upon the discretion of the removal of books from a public-school library. That conclusion, however, is hardly earth shattering. See Pico (Rehnquist, J., dissenting, joined by Burger, C.J., and Powell, J.) ("cheerfully conced[ing]" that some "extreme examples" would violate the Constitution, like, for instance, where a Democratic school board, motivated by party affiliation, ordered the removal of all books written by or in favor of Republicans).
Shortly before the Supreme Court issued its judgment in Pico, the Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit decided Pratt v. Independent Sch. Dist. No. 831 (8th Cir. 1982) (Heaney, J.), wherein it held that a school board could not constitutionally ban films from its curriculum because "a majority of its members object to the films' religious and ideological content and wish to prevent the ideas contained in the material from being expressed in the school." This conclusion that it violates the First Amendment if a school board removes materials because they disagree with them is in tune with Justice Brennan's plurality opinion in Pico. {[But t]he Pratt decision, at best, has limited utility to this case. Even the Justices voting in the majority in Pico rejected the idea central to Pratt, that a federal court could review and countermand the curriculum decisions of local school authorities. The Pratt decision has not aged well in the forty years of First Amendment jurisprudence since its issuance. See, e.g., Hazelwood Sch. Dist. v. Kuhlmeier (1988), rev'g, (8th Cir. 1986) (Heaney, J.); see also, e.g., Griswold v. Driscoll (1st Cir. 2010) (Souter, J.) (explaining that there was "no denying that the State Board of Education may properly exercise curricular discretion" without implicating the First Amendment "even if" changes to curriculum were "made in response to political pressure"); Chiras v. Miller (5th Cir. 2005); Boring v. Buncombe Cnty. Bd. of Educ. (4th Cir. 1998) (en banc) ("we are of opinion that plaintiff had no First Amendment right to insist on the makeup of the curriculum").} At this stage of the litigation, the Court will proceed under Justice Brennan's approach, the most expansive view of the purported right at play—even though the Court has serious reservations on the propriety of that approach.
Even using this most expansive view of the purported right at play, this First Amendment right to receive ideas, Plaintiffs here have a narrow path. The Pico plurality recognized local school boards have "a substantial legitimate role to play in the determination of school library content" and that districts have "significant discretion" to determine the books available in school libraries. The discretion, though, "may not be exercised in a narrowly partisan or political manner." The central issue, according to the plurality, was the "motivation behind" the action. Only if the officials "intended by their removal decision to deny [students] access to ideas with which [the officials] disagreed, and if this intent was the decisive factor in [their] decision" does the removal violate the First Amendment.
This mens rea requirement necessarily means schools may remove books for numerous reasons. Indeed, if an intent to deny must be the decisive factor, schools may even remove books partly because they intend to deny students access to ideas with which they disagree. The Pico plurality specifically pointed to two plainly proper reasons for removing books. It explained that school officials certainly may remove books based on the books' "educational suitability" or if the books are "pervasively vulgar." …
[T]he entire Pico Court was unanimous in its explicit conclusion that schools can remove books based on their vulgarity. See Bethel Sch. Dist. No. 403 v. Fraser (1986) (noting that, although the Court was "sharply divided" in Pico, all Members of the Court "acknowledged that [a] school board has the authority to remove books that are vulgar"). No one seriously could dispute that a school may seek to keep vulgar materials away from its students. Likewise, it is "perfectly permissible" for a school to remove a book based upon the book's "educational suitability." A book's vulgarity and its educational suitability surely are at the heart of the determination of the "age sensitivity" consideration, which 6310 allows District librarians to make to remove a book.
Plaintiffs, apparently, would have this single federal judge evaluate whether the books are educationally suitable or sufficiently vulgar to remove, never mind the fact that the school librarians—whose expertise on this matter outpaces this Court's and who are accountable to the locally elected school board—concluded they should be removed. Perhaps one could think of extreme hypotheticals where a district's claimed assertion of a book's vulgarity was plainly a pretense, where every reasonable person would conclude that a book was not vulgar and was age appropriate. But, here, it is quite easy to see why a librarian would conclude the three books at issue should be removed based on age sensitivity given each has lascivious content.
Fun Home, for example, has entire illustrated pages showing characters engaging in oral sex along with accompanying ribald language. "He reached his hand down and pulled out my dick. He quickly went to giving me head….[W]e dry humped and grinded….I put some lube on and got him up on his knees, and I began to slide into him from behind….I eased in, slowly, until I heard him moan….I finally came and let out a loud moan—to the point where he asked me to quiet down for the neighbors. I pulled out of him and kissed him while he masturbated. Then, he also came." All Boys Aren't Blue details another encounter. "[H]e told me to lie down on the bed. He asked me to 'turn over' while he slipped a condom on himself….[T]his was my ass, and I was struggling to imagine someone inside me. And he was…large. But I was gonna try.
In keeping with the pattern, Heavy: An American Memoir likewise has detailed accounts of sexual encounters. The book does not attempt to hide its contents. As the back cover explains, the book discusses the author's "complex relationship with his family, weight, sex, gambling and writing." The author writes that "Renata pulled up her shirt, unhooked her bra, and filled my mouth with her left breast….Choking on Renata's breasts made me feel lighter than I'd ever felt. After a few minutes, Renata grabbed my penis and kept saying, 'Keep it straight, Kie. Can you keep it straight?'" And elsewhere, "I got close enough to the door to see Delaney was standing in the middle of the room with his soggy maroon swim trunks around his calves. Dougie was on his knees in front of Delaney with his hands behind his back. His tongue was out, licking the tip of Delaney's penis."
Could a librarian or, ultimately, a school board official conclude that these books were age suitable for some older students and that the books merited inclusion based on their content overall? Sure. But can this Court conclude that the librarian's determination that these books were not age appropriate was a pretense, absent some actual evidence, and that the real decisive reason for the removal was to deny access to students of certain ideas? Not at all.
But Plaintiffs make the sweeping and, frankly, disconcerting request to have this Court require that the District "restore access" to these three books and "any books that were removed from school libraries during this school year and for which access has not been restored." Meaning Plaintiffs would have this Court force the District to provide access to these, or any other books, that the District's librarians concluded were appropriate for removal no matter the reason. Even if one of these books, or another that was even more sexually explicit, had been available to a library that served third graders, either inadvertently or because the librarian was unaware of the content, Plaintiffs would have this Court order the District to return the book for the third graders to read.
Plaintiffs also have failed to show they have a fair chance of success on their argument that 6241 itself is constitutionally infirm. Schools may remove books from their libraries for a multitude of reasons. It necessarily follows, then, that schools may have policies that allow for the removal of books and policies on determining whether and when books should be removed. Their decisions on how and when to remove books is entitled to substantial deference. See The idea that the District's policy set out in 6241—the policy to temporarily remove a book upon receipt of a complaint until the District determines whether to retain the book—is somehow unconstitutional is not consistent with Pico.
The Pico plurality recognized an amorphous, but circumscribed, right to receive information in a school setting, but it tied the scope of the right exclusively to the conduct of the school officials. School officials cannot remove materials if the decisive factor for the removal was to deny students access to ideas. A policy that requires the temporary removal of any material anytime the District receives a complaint (which people of any race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, and political or world view may file) necessarily would not impute a motive on the District. When the District temporarily removes all complained-of books, and does so evenhandedly, it necessarily cannot be removing them with the intent to deny students access to ideas with which the District disagrees.
Plaintiffs offer two theories on how the policy is unconstitutional. They argue it creates "an official heckler's veto" and that it amounts to an "unconstitutional prior restraint." Both arguments miss the mark. Both a heckler's veto and a prior restraint involve the freedom of speech and expression, not the right of access to particular ideas. Neither concept translates well from the freedom of speech and expression arena to this right of access to particular ideas.
A heckler's veto is the "government's restriction or curtailment of a speaker's right to freedom of speech when necessary to prevent possibly violent reactions from listeners." Plainly, that is not what is happening here. This is the case of the government (in the form of a school district) temporarily removing access to particular materials to determine whether they are appropriate for children. In doing this, it is not banning protected speech. And no one argues it removed these books because it feared they would provoke a violent response. This is not a case of a heckler's veto.
Nor is the District's policy an unconstitutional prior restraint. "The term prior restraint is used to describe administrative and judicial orders forbidding certain communications when issued in advance of the time that such communications are to occur." Once again, that plainly is not this policy. This policy does not prohibit communications. True, at issue here is the First Amendment, which provides for the freedom of speech. But at issue here is the amorphous right of students to receive information, which has been synthesized from the First Amendment as an "inherent corollary of the rights of free speech and press." Here, the District is not forbidding anyone from any speech, and Plaintiffs provide no precedent or coherent argument why a prior restraint—and a temporary one, at that—on a student's right to access information in the form a particular book or material would violate the First Amendment. And even if this policy were a prior restraint, Plaintiffs have not demonstrated why it would be unconstitutional, as prior restraints on speech are not always unconstitutional in a public school setting.
Plaintiffs have failed to show they have even a fair chance of succeeding in this case on the merits.
For more on Bd. of Educ. v. Pico, see here and here. Congratulations to J. Drew Marriott and Matt Wilson (EdCounsel LLC), who represented the school district.
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If the plaintiff’s position was correct, then once a library fills up it could never acquire any new books, as to do so it would have to ban some of its existing books.
If the plaintiff’s position was correct, then once a library fills up it could never acquire any new books, as to do so it would have to ban some of its existing books.
Taking old old books off the shelf to make room for new ones (for instance, by selling them, giving them away, etc) is not even remotely the same as "banning" them.
By the arguments of the plaintiffs in the case discussed by the article, taking old books off the shelf to make room for new ones would be indistinguishable from "banning" them.
Indistinguishable.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
By the arguments of the plaintiffs in the case discussed by the article, taking old books off the shelf to make room for new ones would be indistinguishable from "banning" them.
Can you cite the plaintiffs' arguments that you're claiming render the two "indistinguishable"? Because the court made it pretty clear that what the plaintiff's were claiming did not constitute anything like "banning" books.
The plaintiff's factual allegations fell short of anything that could reasonably called a ban. The court also took them to task for repeatedly asserting that it was a ban.
Neither is what the defendants were accused of doing. That's the point, isn't it.
Neither is what the defendants were accused of doing. That's the point, isn't it.
It's certainly a point. My point was about Reader's equating banning books with removing them to make room for new material.
Why is thinking a book’s contents “archaic” or “out of date” any less based on the contents of that book, and hence any less a form of content discrimination, than thinking its contents “lascivious”?
Why does room need to be made for new material?
The very idea that room somehow needs to be made for new material necessarily implies that newer content is considered somehow better than old content, which necessarily implies that older ideas are considered somehow less worthy than newer ideas.
It’s based on an opinion about what is and isn’t worthy. It’s no less content-based censorship than thinking that room needs to be made for more non-lascivious material because lascivious material is somehow less worthy than non-lascivious material. No more. But no less.
The very idea that room somehow needs to be made for new material necessarily implies that newer content is considered somehow better than old content, which necessarily implies that older ideas are considered somehow less worthy than newer ideas.
No. In the case of a school library the curriculum served may have changed. Some old books may have become completely irrelevant. New books may be required not because they are inherently better, but because they better serve changed circumstances.
Generalize to other circumstances according to need. And please stop insisting, however tacitly, that the right way to make book acquisition or deaccession decisions is by minute book-by-book subjective judgments. Collection management policy is a thing, and drives those decisions in professionally managed libraries.
But that begs the question. How can it be constitutional to ban the old curriculum? That’s as much content-based interference with speech.
Or is this just a matter of formalities, crossing the right t’s and dotting the right i’s and saying the right magic words? The school first has to declare that it is updating its curriculum to a non-lascivious one, then remove books inconsistent with the new curriculum?
And the constitution requires those steps to be taken and those magic words to be said where?
States have no obligation to create or recognize such a profession as professional librarian. Such a profession is a creature of the state.
As Nicholas Nassim Taleb wrote, there exists such things as bogus professions, professions which have a jargon that distinguishes members from non-members, but which doesn’t actually enable members to solve practical problems or predict outcomes any better than non-members.
If a state legislature thinks a profession bogus, it can simply abolish or recuse to recognize it.
The constitution in any event gives it no obligation to pay any attention to what members of the profession say, nor to take their claims to be experts in anything at face value.
Again, if professions lose ordinary people’s trust, it’s a serious problem for society. But they have no inherent right to that trust. They have to earn it.
Taking old books off the shelf to make room for new ones is not remotely the same as banning them, but it is remotely the same as "banning" them.
Got to protect teenagers from reading about sex and stuff. Best to reinforce the idea that sex is dirty and forbidden and dangerous and all their urges are shameful.
That's quite a come-down from "Republicans are banning books!!!"
They are. They are absolutely banning books and demonising LGBT people and trying to whitewash the racial history of the US. They'll be back to creationism before long. Just because this instance has legal cover doesn't mean the tendency isn't entirely visible, obvious and indefensible.
Which LGBT people are demonized? How is history being whitewashed?
All of them, under the pretext of being 'anti-CRT.'
Nice fever dream, bro.
"They" is a very convenient word, isn't it?
"They", being Republicans, are "banning books". How are they banning them? By not-banning them, like in this case? Is there any actual ban anywhere? Can you show it to us?
(And will it be "one person on school board who says they're Republican did this thus it's a thing Republicans do"?
If so, does that logic apply to every other group and party, or just Republicans, somehow?
I won't stand for "Progressives are ____!" nonsense from my nutbag-right friends any more than "Republicans are _____!" from my nutbag-left ones, and this is the exact same nonsense bullshit.
Creationism, yeah, uh huh.
The books are removed from libraries - banned from those libraries, at the behest of puritan moral majoritarians who think gay people are groomers and who all vote Republican.
Maybe we can keep Hustler out of the school library. What do you think?
How often have you got thrown out prowling the shelves looking for copies?
This case is about K-12 school libraries, not just high school librares, so it's as much if not more about protecting 5 year olds from reading about sex and stuff as it is about protecting teenagers.
All libraries have books unsuitable for younger readers, all libraries depend on the librarians to make sure library users access books appropriate to their age, school libraries no different. Damn I remember when the merest hint of someone somewhere thinking of removing Huck Finn from a librray or a curriculum would cause conservative uproar.
I would think that it is territory they simply not wade into at all.
Normally, banning books is halfway to a book burning, a loud and public virtue signalling about how damned with-it you are in opposition to the book's contents.
This, if it is akin to book banning, is crypto and scurrilous banning. That's some progress I suppose.
Anyway, then the judge lets loose with a string of observations. It isn't a banning in any case, because it isn't a ban in the "banned in Boston" sort of way, illegal by itself. Or sales. Or lending. Or something.
However, it is unseemly for a governmental unit to censor away a book from its own offerings because of censorious, book banning-esque pressures. This is distinct from the need to occasionally make more room as the years drag on, new books appear, and fashions change, in the context of limited funds and shelf space.
I have no idea if that is the case here, but it would be interesting to root out the real cause, possibly hiding behind facetious surface reasons.
Should a K-6 library have no limits at all on its content?
If there is such a thing as age- or context-inappropriate content, then "we need to ban books" if someone is daft enough to stock them in the wrong library, if "not having them in that particular library at the school anymore" counts as "banning".
And if there isn't, well ... I might be tempted to agree, but the rest of the voting public emphatically does not, so we're back to the above, because they absolutely do get a say in this - and if you try and stop them, you'll get pushback like you won't believe.
(This all elides that it's 2022 and we have the internet, and non-school libraries that not only don't "ban books", but make a show of being as Edgy And Performative As Possible about what they stock and offer, at least in big cities.
Teenagers can "learn about sex" without a school library having anything to do about it.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that a maybe-gay high school kid might not want to be seen checking out - and having on record that they checked out - The Big Book Of Gay Sex [see example in case], and is gonna find that on the fucking internet.)
Teenagers can learn about sex but they can't read a book with sex in it afterwards because that would be edgy and performative.
Yeah, I'm thinking the sort of people who would give a kid a hard time for reading a book with gay stuff in it would need the book to literally be called The Big Gay Book Of Gay Sex And Gay Stuff to know what was in it - unless some moral scolds went on a scaremongering satanic-panic attack on a few particular titles so they'd know what to look for.
You're using the same kind of red herring argument that the court called out specifically and sharply.
Teenagers -- or even kindergarteners -- could read these books. But the school library will not furnish them.
Ha, how long will the VC ignore the elephant in the room from last night?
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Josh Blackman was on it at midnight: https://reason.com/volokh/2022/08/09/three-prosecutors-who-are-investigating-their-political-opponents/
"Ha, how long will the VC ignore the elephant in the room from last night?"
I know, right? I've found that the VC ignores the vast majority of topics. You'd think they'd cover at least half.
Of *course* they banned books containing explicit sex acts - banned them from school libraries.
So, was the ban a good thing or a bad thing?
A school district does not 'ban' a book when ... it 'decides not to continue possessing [a] book on its own library shelves.
Sure it does. So does anyone with elected office who uses that power in any way to suppress any particular book. To generalize that power, and extend initiative to random, unelected citizens, makes it worse.
That does not mean the school board need be frustrated in its job to supervise what gets taught in schools. They just need to do so at a level of generality which will not amount to dictation for or against particular politically charged points of view. Once you get down to individual books, that is way too particular for tolerable political intervention.
Fortunately, there is an easy, and customary, way around the problem. School boards determine curriculum. School superintendents implement curriculum. School librarians work with school superintendents to formulate library collections policies, tailored to support curriculum. If a library—a school library or any other—does not have a collections policy, it is not being professionally run.
If a school library does have a collections policy, that can be reviewed by the superintendent and the school board for conformity to the needs of curriculum. Changes to the collection which seem to fall outside the policy can be reviewed, and guidance supplied to the librarians who make specific collections decisions.
Proceeding that way encourages a dialogue within the school community, and potentially within the larger community, which will tend to focus collection management on the values the community wants. That is mostly what happens everywhere, all the time.
When you see school boards suddenly lunging for control of particular books in the libraries, it is time to recognize that brute politics of the worst sort has come to compete with a wiser method to accomplish the goals the community wants.
Since teaching 4 and 5-year-olds to engage in homosexual sex isn't part of their curriculum (I understand that it is in other more Blue districts), then why does this graphic homosexual erotica targeting children need to be in the library?
In the real world, it seems that librarians think they can just put anything they want in a library and then scream "BANNING BOOKS!" when someone notices they went too far.
"Just get librarians to be very professional and objective and respect their community's decisions" would be great, but have you ever met a human being?
Communities can request that particular books be stocked in the library. To request the removal of books because of their personal disapproval is a whole other thing.
Hey Lathrop, is declining to show porn movies at high school pep rallies banning movies?
Stephen Lathrop,
So your view is that if the principal or the school librarian removed exactly the same books from the library on the same grounds, there would be no problem? It’s just when the school board does it?
So the issue is thet it’s not that there’s anything inherently wrong with the decision itself. It’s who made it? Here lousy, smelly, no-nothing serfs intruded on the bureaucratic aristocracy’s exclusive prerogatives, apparently granted them exclusively by the Constitution. And the Constitution requires the courts to smack the serfs down when they do that.
Let me ask this question. Where exactly in the constitution can this distinction that you are coming up with be found?
Yes, society may be better off when ordinary people trust certain decisions to experts. But the constitution doesn’t require it. One of the consequences of a republican form of government is that the experts have to constantly work to earn and maintain ordinary people’s trust.
When that trust breaks down, society has many serious problems. The people’s elected representatives get to come in and set rules the experts have to follow, however wrong the experts may think it, and however much of a mess they may make of things by doing so. The experts have to convince the ordinary people, against skepticism, that they actually have useful knowledge.
Being a professional, a bureaucrat, etc. is a privelege, not a right. This display of arrogance and contempt for the little people is not an attitudr that the little people have to put up with. It is frankly not helpful. It will tend to lead to the little people asserting themselves and showing who’s boss. And in a republican form of government, they are the boss, and that has to be kept in mind at all times.
The distinction you imagine has nothing to do with the process argument which, if you payed attention to it, you would learn actually governs professional library management.
So your view is that if the principal or the school librarian removed exactly the same books from the library on the same grounds, there would be no problem?
No. My view is that removing a book from a school library because it does not support the curriculum is a different and better reason than gratifying individual prejudices of school board members. Likewise, demands to remove a book which does support previously-agreed-upon curriculum should be deeply suspect.
What the fuck does "support previously-agreed-upon curriculum" even mean in English? It's the school library, not the room where they keep the textbooks. The vast majority of books in a school library have nothing whatsoever to do with the "curriculum." They're just books for kids to read.
A school board has no obligation to pay any attention to what “professional library management” says.
To extent you are making a political argument that it ought, you may well be right.
But there’s no more a constitutional obligation to follow the dictates of professional library managers than there was in the 19th century to enact laissrz-faire because that’s what professional economists said was best, or in the early 20th century to enact eugenics because that’s what professional biologists said was best (there a great many scientists in the eugenics movement).
Sometimes the experts are wrong, or there are other considerations that override them. This is no different.
The experts are right more often than they are wrong. But they are wrong sometimes. And in a republican form of government, they don’t have the final say.
I disagree with the court's narrow definition of a heckler's veto. That's certainly one scenario deserving of the name but not the only one. But other than that, the decision seems very reasonable to me.
The court scored what our Commonwealth friends would call an own goal by denying that ban is a ban.
He should have said, "if it's a ban it's a fully-justified one, and I only wonder why these books weren't banned earlier."
Yuck. Take that deviant filth out and put back in Boccaccio, Fanny Hill, Tom Jones, Life and Loves of Frank Harris, Lady Chatterley's Lover, God's Little Acre, Quiet Days in Clichy, Sexus, Nexus, Plexus, Tropic of Cancer, Tropic of Capricorn, and all the other righteous Henry Miller novels.
Only if they're duly adopted for the curriculum in the first grade.
Thanks -- how many of those books are routinely in K-12 school libraries?
Oh cool, another judge that suddenly can't judge motives when they're okay with them.
My history teacher back in 1969 read us a NJ State statute that forbade a woman "walking with lascivious carriage". We laughed because as High school seniors we thought that lascivious carriage should be encouraged. An informal survey of the class confirmed that.
"If he only knew how much homosexuals suffer growing up, he'd be cool with gay kiddie porn in libraries! He just doesn't have enough empathy!"
Can Dixon's The Clansman be far behind?