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Nicholas Sandmann's Libel Lawsuits Against Several Media Outlets Dismissed
All the lawsuits stem from the media's quoting Nathan Phillips' claims that Sandmann was "block[ing Phillips'] way" at a demonstration by the Lincoln Memorial.
From Sandmann v. N.Y. Times, CBS News, ABC News, Gannett & Rolling Stone, decided yesterday by Judge William Bertelsman (E.D. Ky.):
These five libel cases arise out of events that occurred in Washington, D.C. on January 18, 2019 and the ensuing extensive media coverage of plaintiff Nicholas Sandmann's encounter with Nathan Phillips. [Factual details quoted below. -EV] …
All parties agree that whether "a statement is fact or opinion is a question of law for the court to decide." … "[A] statement of opinion relating to matters of public concern which does not contain a provably false factual connotation will receive full constitutional protection." …
The Sixth Circuit has also emphasized that it is important for the court to consider what a reasonable reader would take away from allegedly defamatory statements. A recent Sixth Circuit case, Croce v. Sanders (6th Cir. 2021), illustrates this principle well. The case involved a biologist who contacted the New York Times and other newspapers about statistical inaccuracies in scientific articles authored by a celebrated cancer researcher. The cancer researcher sued the biologist for defamation. The Sixth Circuit held that his statement that the researcher "knowingly engag[ed] in scientific misconduct and fraud" was protected opinion.
Judge Thapar, who authored the opinion, focused on what a reasonable reader would take away from the letter that the biologist wrote. He concluded that "reasonable readers would see there is ample room for a different interpretation of the evidence [the biologist] presented." He further explained that "whether a set of facts amounts to misconduct" is subjective and "we would expect people to have different opinions on the question." The biologist's statement was "neither an assertion of fact nor a conclusion that follows incontrovertibly from asserted facts as a matter of logic. It is instead a subjective take that is up for debate." See also Seaton v. TripAdvisor (6th Cir. 2013) ("Readers would, instead, understand the list [of dirtiest hotels in America] to be communicating subjective opinions of travelers who use Trip Advisor."); Macineirghe v. Cty. of Suffolk (E.D.N.Y. 2015) (finding that a statement from an eyewitness who recounted the entirety of a police chase and said that he saw someone "block" a police car was opinion, and a reasonable reader would not understand his words to imply undisclosed facts)….
In sum, the Court must ask whether a reasonable reader, in reading the entire article, would understand that the statement in question is someone's opinion or interpretation of an event or situation. See, e.g., Partington v. Bugliosi (9th Cir. 1995) ("When an author outlines the facts available to him, thus making it clear that the challenged statements represent his own interpretation of those facts and leaving the reader free to draw his own conclusions, those statements are generally protected by the First Amendment."); Hayes v. Alfred A. Knopf, Inc. (7th Cir. 1993) ("If it is plain that the speaker is expressing a subjective view, an interpretation, a theory, conjecture, or surmise, rather than claiming to be in possession of objectively verifiable facts, the statement is not actionable); Phantom Touring, Inc. v. Affiliated Publ'ns (1st Cir. 1992) ("The sum effect of the format, tone, and entire content of the articles is to make it unmistakably clear that [the author] was expressing a point of view only.").
Finally, if an allegedly defamatory statement is a statement of opinion, it is actionable under Kentucky law "only if it implies the allegation of undisclosed defamatory facts." …
The allegedly defamatory Blocking Statements at issue are the following:
["]It was getting ugly, and I was thinking: 'I've got to find myself an exit out of this situation and finish my song at the Lincoln Memorial,'["] Mr. Phillips told the Post. ["]I started going that way, and that guy in the hat stood in my way and we were at an impasse. He just blocked my way and wouldn't allow me to retreat.["]
Applying the above legal authorities, and with the benefit of a more developed record, the Court concludes that Phillips's statements that Sandmann "blocked" him and "wouldn't allow [him] to retreat" are objectively unverifiable and thus unactionable opinions.
Instead, a reasonable reader would understand that Phillips was simply conveying his view of the situation. And because the reader knew from the articles that this encounter occurred at the foot of the Lincoln Memorial, he or she would know that the confrontation occurred in an expansive area such that it would be difficult to know what might constitute "blocking" another person in that setting.
Generally, "blocking" is an imprecise term capable of different meanings that "lacks a plausible method of verification." In particular, because of the context in which this encounter occurred—the large, open area adjacent to the Lincoln Memorial—the blocking statement simply cannot be proven to be either true or false. Had such an encounter occurred in a small or confined area, a statement that one person was "blocked" by another might be objectively verifiable. But it is not here.
Interestingly, plaintiff's responsive memorandum to the joint motion for summary judgment argues that "blocking" is factual because "it involves the oppositional position of two human bodies in a confined space." But, as the videos depict, the area where this encounter occurred was a huge, outdoor setting, not a confined space.
Further, Phillips's statements rely on assumptions concerning both Phillips and Sandmanns' state of mind. Yet, Phillips had no way of knowing what Sandmann was thinking or intended when he made the challenged statements. {It is undisputed that Phillips and Sandmann did not speak to each other during their standoff. Thus, Sandmann had no way of knowing that Phillips was trying to pass him to get to the Lincoln Memorial. Likewise, Phillips had no way to confirm his belief that Sandmann intended to block him and would not allow him to retreat.}
It has long been established that someone's state of mind is not capable of being proven true or false. Compare Riley v. Harr (1st Cir. 2002) ("An author who fairly describes the general events involved and offers his personal perspective about some of the ambiguities and disputed facts should not be subject to a defamation action.") and Haynes ("Anyone is entitled to speculate on a person's motives from the known facts of his behavior.") with Milkovich v. Lorain Journal Co. (1990) (explaining that perjury is verifiable by comparing the witness's testimony at a board hearing and subsequently in court).
{ Sandmann's own deposition testimony illustrates the unverifiability of someone's state of mind. Sandmann was asked whether it was possible "that Phillips was trying to see if you guys [Sandmann and his friend, Cameron] would both move to create a path for him to go towards what would now be where you are standing?" This of course required Sandmann to speculate and prompted him to answer "It's possible he was thinking that. Again, he never made that clear." He was then asked if this was because "he [Phillips] didn't articulate it?" To which he responded "Correct." Phillips's intent in that moment is not objectively verifiable, the same way Sandmann's intent in that moment is not objectively verifiable. The Court must look at the meaning of the statements when they were made, without reference to post hoc explanations.}
Courts have also found important the style of writing and its context in assessing what a reasonable reader would understand the allegedly defamatory statements to mean.
For example, in McCabe v. Rattiner (1st Cir. 1987), the owner of a time share condominium development sued a reporter who published an article in a local paper describing his encounter with the business, referring to it as a "scam." After reviewing Supreme Court libel precedent, the Court first noted that the word "scam" does not have a precise meaning but means different things to different people. The Court further observed that first-person, narrative style statements on matters of public concern "put[] the reader on notice that the author is giving his views" and "are commonly understood to be attempts to influence the public debate."
This latter observation applies equally to Phillips's statements. The media defendants were covering a matter of great public interest, and they reported Phillips's first-person view of what he experienced. This would put the reader on notice that Phillips was simply giving his perspective on the incident.
Moreover, Phillips's statement did not imply the existence of any nondisclosed defamatory facts, and only under such circumstances does a statement of opinion lose its constitutional protection. Therefore, in the factual context of this case, Phillips's "blocking" statements are protected opinions….
The Court allowed these cases to proceed to discovery based on the allegations of plaintiff's complaints and a belief that some development of the context of this incident may be helpful. The parties shrewdly agreed to phased discovery allowing the above legal issues to be revisited by the Court before the parties embarked on further expensive and time-consuming discovery and possibly trials, all of which would be wasted should the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit agree with this Opinion….
Here's the court's discussion of the underlying incident:
Although lengthy, Sandmann's deposition contains relatively little testimony pertinent to the issues at hand:
- Sandmann observed as Phillips moved toward and then through the group of students. Some students moved out of Phillips's way as he walked forward. Sandmann felt that Phillips was trying to intimidate the students by walking right up to them when he could have taken several other routes around them, so Sandmann felt like he wanted to stand up for his school. At the time, he did not know that Phillips's intent was to get up to the Lincoln Memorial;
- Phillips stood so close to Sandmann that his drum touched Sandmann's shoulder, his spit was getting on Sandmann's face, and Sandmann could smell Phillips's breath;
- The steps were icy and Sandmann was concerned that if he moved he might slip and fall.
- Sandmann felt he was being mature by remaining calm and standing his ground in a tense situation;
- Sandmann can see how Phillips might have perceived that Sandmann was trying to block his path;
- There was room for Phillips to keep walking if that is what he wanted to do. Sandmann did not feel that he was blocking Phillips because Phillips gave no indication that he wanted to move forward. Instead, he locked eyes with Sandmann when he was still several feet away from him and then "planted" himself directly in front of Sandmann. Phillips did not take even the slightest step in any direction in an attempt to move;
- Sandmann is not sure if he moved a little to the left as Phillips approached; he either adjusted his footing and/or the people around him shifted as well;
- At one point, Sandmann felt that he was blocked from moving because of the crowd around him, although he has no reason to believe that they would not have moved if he had asked them to do so….
Phillips's declaration, submitted by defendants in support of their joint motion for summary judgment, avers:
- Other than a woman named Ashley Bell, Phillips did not know any of the individuals who joined him in walking towards the group of students;
- As he approached the students, Phillips "felt that the crowd was swarming and surrounding me;"
- As Phillips began to move towards the Lincoln Memorial, students moved out of his way. However, Sandmann "appeared" to position himself in front of Phillips;
- Phillips declares: "It was very much my experience that Mr. Sandmann was blocking me from exiting the situation. It was very much my experience that he intentionally stood in my way in order to stop me from moving forward;"
- Further: "I felt surrounded in that space, and I believed Mr. Sandmann did not want to let me pass. It seemed to me that Mr. Sandmann felt that he needed to stand there and block my way." …
The parties have submitted twenty videos that capture scenes from the National Mall on the day in question…. In the Court's view, six of the videos show the specific encounter between Sandmann and Phillips in helpful respects. What a viewer might conclude from these videos is a matter of perspective. However, what is clearly shown and not subject to reasonable dispute is at least the following:
- Phillips began drumming and approaching the group of students, accompanied by several individuals who testify that, although they did not know Phillips, they followed him because he was an elder;
- As Phillips came close to the group of students, some began to part, and Phillips continued to move forward. Eventually, Phillips came to a stop directly in front of Sandmann. As Phillips approached, Sandmann subtly adjusted his footing, but it is unclear if he actually moved from where he stood.
- At no point did Phillips ask Sandmann to move or attempt to continue walking past him.
- Sandmann also did not change his position while Phillips played his drum, although it was within inches of Sandmann's face.
- The encounter ended when a chaperone arrived and told the students that their buses had arrived.
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Are you sure this is right? I've been reliably informed by several posters here that his claims were airtight.
Judges should recuse themselves based on Presidential appointment. This is a demented Carter appointee. He should beremoved from the bench. I may report him to the Kentucky DOT to get a drivi g test.
Dude saw them naked. This is another disgusting effect of PC, all of which, 100% of which is case, and forced on our maidens by the scumbag, toxic, lawyer profession.
https://nypost.com/2022/07/27/lia-thomas-competitor-riley-gaines-felt-extreme-discomfort-in-locker-room/?lctg=607d90f2373dd11b6ec10b87
I must admit, this a case where the clerk of court should have the power to dismiss with prejudice. No factual physical or financial damage.
According to those same posters there's no need for concern for Mr. Sandmann, he already got millions in the earlier settlements.
Well, Forbes says that he has a net worth at this point of about a million dollars, which isn't "retire tomorrow" wealthy, but it's a pretty good place to be starting out at.
From right-wing social media nonsense, not a settlement.
Funny you didn't mention that bit.
forbeshints.com is to forbes.com as Four Seasons Total Landscaping is to Four Seasons Hotels.
1) Forbes does not in fact say that.
2) Even if it did, you understand that when Forbes publishes that sort of information, they don't hack into banks to ascertain the facts; they either ask the person or guesstimate, right?
Sandmann's settlement was probably a few tens of thousands of dollars.
The media presented a false story, portrayed Sandmann in a negative light based on the way the media chose to edit the video footage and describe the interaction. But because of the lawyer’s choice of words and the court’s interpretation of those words, the defense gets away with their false portrayal.
People were howling in outrage at Sandmann’s actions based on the false impression presented and promoted by the media. The media knows that it can get away with this because no judge ever wants to rule against the First Amendment.
That's an awful lot of words to pretend that there was not actually an obvious way for Phillips to retreat, and that a bunch of statements about objectively visible and verifiable behavior can be converted to opinion by prefacing them with "I felt like".
"In particular, because of the context in which this encounter occurred—the large, open area adjacent to the Lincoln Memorial—the blocking statement simply cannot be proven to be either true or false. Had such an encounter occurred in a small or confined area, a statement that one person was "blocked" by another might be objectively verifiable. But it is not here.
Interestingly, plaintiff's responsive memorandum to the joint motion for summary judgment argues that "blocking" is factual because "it involves the oppositional position of two human bodies in a confined space." But, as the videos depict, the area where this encounter occurred was a huge, outdoor setting, not a confined space."
It's like the judge is being deliberately oblivious here: Sandmann's point was that, given the objective circumstances, no sane person would have thought they were being blocked, let alone that they were being prevented from retreating.
The judge does seem to be treating the words, "I felt", as though they can transform any lie into an opinion.
Seriously, it's as though Philips had claimed he felt that Sandmann was going to drown him, and the judge treated Sandmann pointing out that they were in a desert with no water anywhere in sight as rendering the matter impossible to resolve. It's that insane.
Or maybe you're a partisan who is certain of facts that may not be certain.
You know how you think anyone who votes Democrat can't be trusted to do their job professionally? Why do you think you're any better in your judgement? If you think a decision (especially a 1A-based one) is wrong, and that decision would also cause a lot of trouble for your opposition, you should maybe step away.
Why don't you try actually addressing the point, rather than throwing around chaff?
Philips claimed he 'felt' that Sandmann was blocking him and would not let him retreat. In what sane world does the fact that they were in a large open plaza with a lot of room render that MORE plausible, rather than less?
It's exactly as though the judge had written that Philips thought that Sandmann was going to drown him, and gone on to to say that it might be objectively verifiable if they'd been in a boat at sea, but since they were in a desert, who could say?
No, the fact that they were in a large open plaza made the claim objectively unreasonable.
Or maybe you're a partisan who is certain of facts that may not be certain.
Yes, and I hear gravity is still just a rumor.
1) You understand that Sandmann wasn't suing Phillips, right?
2) Did you bother to read the above? Despite what you claim about what "no sane person" would have thought, Sandmann conceded that Phillips might've felt that way.
I guess that, at this point, the popular media have such a bad reputation that no one expects their reporting to be anything other than propaganda.
So Sandmann's claim was based on the media outlets quoting Phillips' speculation about him? If so, I think Sandmann should have a claim for incompetent representation.
I do remember some talk about this interesting line of legal argument last year, but dismissed it at the time because I didn't think it made sense or that any half-decent lawyer would take it seriously. Guess I was wrong.
To be fair, that IS how media outlets typically defame you, if they intend to: They find somebody who wants to defame you, and report what they say. If they meant to praise you, they'd find somebody who liked you to report.
Now there's some "good lawyerin'" -- depose your opponent and ask few to no questions that will disturb your SJ posture, then submit an appropriately calibrated declaration from your client that itself is not subject to cross-examination.
The declaration of course isn't subject to cross-examination, but the declarant was, during his own deposition.
Fully correct, yet fully irrelevant to what I said. The 11th-hour declaration was of course calibrated in view of the entire prior record. Having practiced law as long as you have, I know you understand all this.
You know that you can't utilize a declaration that contradicts your deposition testimony to escape summary judgment, right? If Sandmann did a competent job of deposing the guy (I see your point below that he might not have deposed him at all, which is definitionally not competent), then it wouldn't have been an issue.
Amend the above to: "Even if correct . . ." since I now see the opinion purports to list the entire universe of discovery and a deposition of Phillips is not listed.
Whose client gave the declaration?
Not sure why that's a helpful nit to pick. You think the papers' lawyers weren't repping Phillips at the very least in the course of creating the declaration? That would be . . . unusual.
You think that the defense attorneys temporarily represented a key witness, one whose interests may have been adverse to their clients, for the purpose of securing his testimony?
That would be highly atypical, in my experience.
I could be missing something about adverse interests, but on the surface they seem four-corners aligned. The defamation claim is based on quotes directly from Phillips. If he wins, they win. Are you seeing something other than academic possibilities?
And in any event, it's typical in my experience to set up this sort of thing via a joint rep agreement with an advance conflict waiver by Phillips, so in the unexpected event their interests did diverge and Phillips actually needed ongoing representation (why?) the lawyers would keep the media clients and he'd get different counsel.
What a viewer might conclude from these videos is a matter of perspective.
And by "perspective" he means "how far up your own backside your head is lodged".
Deceptive leftist organizations get away with it again.
But Americans' confidence in news media is at a record low and still trending down: https://news.gallup.com/poll/394817/media-confidence-ratings-record-lows.aspx
"Get away with" what, exactly? Accurately reporting what they were told?
Exit Sandmann
Enter Night.
It doesn't really astonish me, but in more sane times most people would really wonder what kind of monsters occupy the current left that is happy, if not celebratory, that a child was drug through the mud for no reason whatsoever other than to be the outrage of the day.
I mean these are the same people that dance on the grave of every school child who is killed in a tragedy just so they can use their grave for political capital....
It is my opinion, that some judges should be subjected to their own rulings.
Have fun.
"The Sixth Circuit has also emphasized that it is important for the court to consider what a reasonable reader would take away from allegedly defamatory statements."
Based on the hysterical reactions to the original (false) Sandmann story on my Facebook timeline, and many other evidences of widespread mental illness, the famous "reasonable person" concept may need to be amended.
""the Court concludes that Phillips's statements that Sandmann "blocked" him and "wouldn't allow [him] to retreat" are objectively unverifiable and thus unactionable opinions."
This analysis isn't very persuasive. From what I recall the videos seem to indicate these statements are verifiably false.
I guess you can argue "blocked", on the basis that Sandmann didn't step out of his way and retreat when Philips got in his face. He just stood there.
How you get to "wouldn't allow him to retreat", though, is totally beyond me.
One aspect to this is that the decision to publish this story made the negative interpretation more believable. When I heard about this I thought the whole thing sounded lame and wondered why it was receiving all the attention it was. That credible news sites were carrying it made me wonder if there wasn't something I was missing, because it didn't seem like news, not as I understand it, certainly not worthy of immediate attention from major news sources.
The mental(ly challenged) gymnastics the usual suspects continue to go through in a pathetic attempt to justify their eager acceptance of the bullshit narrative the media pushed about Sandmann, as well as the vile things they spewed about him based on that braindead knee-jerk reaction, is as sadly predictable as the same gymnastics they went through with the Jussie Smollett hoax (which was even more obviously bullshit from the get-go).
You could just say, "Yeah, I was wrong." Nobody would think any less of you for it.
["]It was getting ugly, and I was thinking: 'I've got to find myself an exit out of this situation and finish my song at the Lincoln Memorial,'["] Mr. Phillips told the Post. ["]I started going that way, and that guy in the hat stood in my way and we were at an impasse. He just blocked my way and wouldn't allow me to retreat"
If Philips had encountered a building on his march to the Lincoln Memorial and said that building blocked his path, would a rational person think the building had somehow maneuvered with bad intent to entrap Phillips? Adding "and wouldn't allow me to retreat" is a clear implication that Sandman was acting with bad intent, rather than simply being in Phillips' supposed direct line to the Lincoln Memorial.