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Breaking Down Joan Biskupic's Latest Reporting On The Dobbs Leak
Here we are, one month after Dobbs. The leaker has not yet come forward. Indeed, we have no clue who the leaker may be. David Lat suggests that the Politico reporters may not even know who the leaker is! I was patiently waiting for something, anything, from Supreme Court reporters that would shed light on this issue. And, this morning, Joan Biskupic of CNN published a piece titled "The inside story of how John Roberts failed to save abortion rights."
A preliminary note on sourcing. Biskupic relies on "multiple sources familiar with negotiations told CNN." This sourcing is similar to her 2020 reporting, which relied on "multiple sources familiar with the inner workings of the court." I find it remarkable that anyone with inside information would talk to Biskupic after the massive leak investigation. I think it is safe to presume that Biskupic's sources are people who are not subject to the leak investigation. Perhaps the Justices made some comments to friends, who then relayed the information to Biskupic.
There are three primary strands of Biskupic's reporting. First, Chief Justice Roberts tried to persuade Justice Kavanaugh to join his middle position, and save Roe. Second, the leak made it harder for the Chief Justice to operate. Third, after the leak, Roberts's efforts were unsuccessful. Nothing here is particularly earth-shattering.
The biggest reveal does not concern the leak itself. Rather, Biskupic reports on Justice Kavanaugh's vote at conference:
Kavanaugh had indicated during December oral arguments that he wanted to overturn Roe and CNN learned that he voted that way in a private justices' conference session soon afterward. But the 2018 appointee of former President Donald Trump who had been confirmed by the Senate only after expressing respect for Roe has wavered in the past and been open to Roberts' persuasion.
When did Biskupic learn this fact? Did she learn it at some point after the conference? After the leak? Sometime after the term concluded? The use of the phrase "CNN learned" does not reveal the timing.
Later in the piece, Biskupic elaborates on the pre-leak state of play:
While no other justice revealed interest in that Roberts' option at oral arguments or in the weeks that followed, sources told CNN that there was still an air of possibility behind the scenes, based on Roberts' past pattern and the knowledge that justices have previously switched votes at the 11th hour.
Roberts, sources told CNN, might have some opening, even if slim.
This phrasing strongly suggests that Biskupic received the information while the "opening" still existed. That is, in March, Roberts "might have some opening." This word choice implies that Biskupic's sources revealed the information to her after oral arguments, but before the Politico story.
It would not be surprising if Biskupic learned this information early on. After all, leaks were floating around the swamp. Remember, the Wall Street Journal reported that Roberts was trying to "turn" votes. I speculated that the Journal had a leak. And Biskupic states, without any equivocation, that the WSJ "previously obtained inside information about conservative votes."
If Biskupic knew about the conference vote at the time, why would she not report it? In July 2020, Biskupic published many conference votes. Perhaps she is comfortable releasing information about private conferences after the term is concluded, and all the cases are resolved. Maybe reporting on the conference vote for a still-pending case crosses some journalistic threshold? But had the conference vote been published, Roberts would have had less room to negotiate. Indeed, Biskupic reports that the Politico story constrained Roberts's ability to strike a compromise. She writes:
To the extent that liberals had hoped that the original vote by conservatives would change, that hope faded. Meanwhile, CNN has learned, Politico's disclosure accelerated the urgency of the conservative side to try to issue the opinion before any other possible disruptions.
Indeed, after the leak, the "conservatives" wanted to release the opinion quicker:
Multiple sources told CNN that Roberts' overtures this spring, particularly to Kavanaugh, raised fears among conservatives and hope among liberals that the chief could change the outcome in the most closely watched case in decades. Once the draft was published by Politico, conservatives pressed their colleagues to try to hasten release of the final decision, lest anything suddenly threaten their majority.
Biskupic seems to support a conservative leak theory--that is, a conservative leaked the opinion to lock in the votes. The fact that no liberal has yet come forward, and claimed the plaudits, as David Lat suggests, casts doubt on the liberal-leaker theory. Still, I think that the purpose of the leak was to destroy the Court, and not to shift votes.
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" Still, I think that the purpose of the leak was to destroy the Court, and not to shift votes. "
Says the Sage Of South Texas College Of Law Houston (a law school, although most people have never heard of it, and for good reason).
To be fair, a judge forced them to abandon their plan to try to steal the name of a better law school.
Roberts has to be impeached in 2025. Clean house of all Ivy indoctrinated lawyers. They are traitors to our nation and to our constitution. He is all Swamp.
Reverend Arthur/Jerry Sandusky has gone
10 YEARS, 1 MONTH, 16 DAYS
without buggering any young men,
*as far as we know, https://www.cor.pa.gov/Facilities/StatePrisons/Pages/Greene.aspx
Frank
Even if true, and I doubt you know whether it is, a good professor can teach at a not good school.
How many law schools are ranked lower than the relevant school (among roughly 200 schools in the United States)?
How many people would you expect to learn are familiar with such a downscale institution?
200 Law Schools(only 155 Med Schools, with smaller classes, Hey, Guess a Man's got to know his limitations (HT H. Callahan)
Jeez, Jerry, I mean "Arthur" you Shysters (well one in particular) are really hung up on where y'all went to School, (BTW where did you go? it's AlGore's Internets, you could say the "University of Mars" and nobody could prove it)
With Sawbones, not nearly as important, OK, you'll have a better chance at Mass Gen coming out of Hah-vud, but you can get just as good training at any accredited screw-el. Some of the Caribbean Schools are a little shady, but if you can take out a Gall Bag, Treat an MI, who gives a fuck? You know who still know how to examine patients? the Roosh-un Grads, cause you don't just get an MRI for a sore little finger, Cardiac Cath for a Hiccup,
Frank "You'll feel a small Prick"
The dumbest doctor is far smarter than the smartest lawyer. Indeed, the lowest ranked student in Life Skills class has more common sense than the smartest lawyer.
These dipshits believe in supernatural doctrines. They were copied from the Catholic catechism, where the church God had these supernatural powers, not man. That was true in Medieval. They are the dumbest in the country, but they have the men with guns. They are the Mafia. This garbage profession has no other validation.
The party of the elite.
The conservative leak theory is moronic. Conservatives were terrified Kavanaugh would wobble in the face of public pressure. Very unlikely a conservative would leak the opinion (to a liberal outlet like Politico no less) to try and lock votes in place. Hell, why not presume a conservative was trying to assassinate Kavanaugh in an attempt to lock his vote in.
Seems pretty straightforward what happened. Oral arguments occurred on Dec 1. By Dec 10, five justices voted in conference to overturn Roe. Alito wrote draft opinion that was shared in early Feb. Libs freak out, but justices soothe their fears reminding them that Anthony Kennedy flipped his vote with Casey. Lib justices tell lib clerks to let the process play out behind the scenes. Another three months pass with Roberts trying to convince Kavanaugh to flip. The pressure campaign likely became overt prompting the WSJ op ed in the last weeks of April. Finally, in the last week of April or on May 1, Kavanaugh makes it absolutely clear he's not switching his vote. With nothing left to lose, a liberal law clerk throws a temper tantrum and leaks the draft opinion on May 2. Her goal is to spark George Floyd level riots/uprisings to pressure Court to keep Roe. Of course nothing happens because pro abortion feminists stripping to their underwear lathered in fake blood aren't intimidating rioters. Libs write their joint opinion over the next two months and Roe is overturned Jun 24.
Agreed!
I was going to ask whether you enjoyed your advocacy classes at South Texas College of Law Houston, Neophyte, but on second thought:
Are you (1) a trained legal advocate, (2) an experienced journalist, or (3) an IT help desker on the graveyard shift?
Thank you.
Ranked by common sense & general intelligence (on average), the IT help-desk guy is at the top. The "experienced journalist" is at the bottom.
Now you vet commenters?
Do you intend to post your CV?
I graduated with the highest temperature in my class!
I have worked as a professional journalist. I have worked as a lawyer.
I sense, from the quality of the argument and the comments about journalism, that the commenter has neither training nor experience in either field.
What do you think?
"Fake" News, "Fake" Lawyer, and don't be ashamed of your Football Career, a lot of good Linebackers came out of Penn State!
Reverend Arthur/Jerry Sandusky has gone
10 YEARS, 1 MONTH, 16 DAYS
without buggering any young men,
*as far as we know, https://www.cor.pa.gov/Facilities/StatePrisons/Pages/Greene.aspx
Rev. Tremendous legal analysis. Can you tell the class the law school you attended. I want to learn what you so breezily on these pages. Great work, bruh.
Lol guess I touched a nerve.
As I said before, it's idiotic to assume a conservative leaked the draft opinion. According to Biskupic's article, Kavanaugh was always leaning towards overturning Roe. Leaking the opinion creates chaos. Maybe George Floyd mobs DO materialize protesting the draft opinion and Kavanaugh gets spooked. Maybe a conservative justice gets assassinated. Maybe the liberal leaning Politico doesn't cooperate with the leaker's scheme. Maybe Kavanaugh gets so offended at a conservative leaking the opinion that he switches over to Roberts' group.
A football team doesn't need to go for it on 4th and 15 when it's up by two scores with five minutes to go.
Cool story.
I missed any supporting evidence for your imaginative theory. Did you misplace it?
While that is plausible theory, I don’t see how that makes the conservative leaker theory less possible, let alone moronic.
So your thought is conservatives wanted to create outside pressure to get one of them to flip but somehow it didn't work out that way?
Flip side is a lib wanted to create outside pressure so they leaked the opinion and seeing the tantrum libs were throwing the conservatives pushed to have the issue off the table sooner.
Violent rioting diverses burning it down are intimidating. Now if Mercedes wants to depict only diverses in its commercials, let them get their customers from the hood. Boycott all woke.
The conservative leak theory makes more sense as Kavanaugh wouldn't be able to flip without everyone outside the Court knowing he'd flipped.
For the progressives (there aren't any liberals on the Court), there was no gain from leaking.
I heard a rumour of a whisper of some gossip. I know the leaker. It's Yogi Bear. He swapped the draft for a picnic basket.
That was [a] Boo Boo.
I see you are smarter than the average commenter.
The reason nobody joined Robert's opinion was that it was complete irrational blather, as Justice Alito mercilessly catalogued at great length in his majority opinion.
As far as the leaker is concerned, I suspect Roberts himself, and the longer that nothing comes of Roberts' investigation (having not called in the FBI), the more I suspect him, and I suspect that the other justices suspect him, too.
The only thing that surprises me is that Roberts has not announced his retirement yet in order to give Biden and the Senate the opportunity to appoint another leftist before November. I suppose there is still time for John to negotiate his golden parachute and prophylactic presidential pardon.
" As far as the leaker is concerned, I suspect Roberts himself, "
On that basis alone, I conclude your opinions on birtherism, stolen elections, QAnon, Vince Foster, the Sandy Hook shooting, the moon landing, Seth Rich, and Comet Ping Pong Pizza must be fascinating.
You and Prof. Blackman are a natural to tag-team a few articles.
Two points:
1. I used to know John Roberts pretty well; we were partners in the same law firm, although we never worked together. I think he is one of the smartest people I've known (second only to Judge Danny Boggs of the 6th Circuit). I infer that he sincerely believes that his actions as Chief Justice that seem to run contrary to "conservative" orthodoxy, are important to preserve the institutional integrity of the Supreme Court. So I think the idea that he had any connection to the "leak" is ludicrous.
2. Fun is fun, I know, but it's really boring to have to scroll through stupid ad hominem attacks on Josh Blackman and the legal profession as a whole to get to the discussion of the issue at hand. I tried use the "mute" feature on the worst offenders, but I found that occasionally they got off their hobby horse and actually addressed the issues, and if I didn't "un-mute" them I wouldn't find out about their opinions. So here's my suggstion to you guys (and I mean this with all due respect): Adopt a shorthand for your regular attacks on Prof. Blackman and the legal profession generally, and just post: "Killer Comment 1" or "Killer Comment 2". We'll remember your feelings, and you won't have to do as much typing, and I won't mute you and miss it when you say something worth hearing. Deal?
So is JR really a baseball fan, given his Confirmation hearing "Umpire" anal-ogy?? which I interpreted as "Call em like you see em" And I can tell everything I need to know about a man (I'd say people but women who really understand (you have to have played at some level) baseball are rare as hen's teeth....
So do you call George Brett out after his top of the 9th Homer, hit with an ill-legal(at Yankee Stadium anyway) Bat? as that is the rule, or let it go, as every other Umpire had for the previous 90 games??
Frank " The Chief Struck out on this one"
" So here's my suggstion to you guys (and I mean this with all due respect): Adopt a shorthand for your regular attacks on Prof. Blackman and the legal profession generally, and just post: "Killer Comment 1" or "Killer Comment 2". "
Would you offer the same suggestion to Prof. Volokh (who covers a handful of nips at the heels and ankles of mainstream targets incessantly and repetitively) and Prof. Blackman (who offers essentially nothing beyond a single strain of junior varsity polemical partisanship)?
Rev. Come on, I want to be like you. Tell me where you went to law school. Your legal analysis are exemplars, and I want to learn that.
Rev., if I thought that Volokh and Blackman didn't say anything worth reading, I wouldn't read their posts, and I certainly wouldn't waste my time commenting on them. And, of course, I shouldn't waste my time reading many of your comments, but ocassionally you DO say something worth reading. Not today, though.
If you find Prof. Blackman’s contributions worthwhile, you might be a clinger.
Nothing replacement won’t solve.
Kind of funny, almost all the replies to you are already muted.
You of course understand why.
I'm slow to mute, but you finally realize just who is wasting your time with either no intent to post something substantive, or no ability.
Eric. Roberts is Swamp, an Ivy indoctrinated, big government dunderhead. Do you and he believe, minds can be read, the future foretold, and that standards of behavior should be set by a fictitious character? The latter is make those standards objective, of course.
These beliefs make you one of the stupidest people in the country, because, they are not only false, but they suborn a crime, the armed robbery of rent seeking.
Eric. Your boy cannot read the plain English of the constitution. For example, Article I Section 1 gives all lawmaking power to the Congress. All is a first grade vocabulary word, it is opposed by some and by none. The cancelling of a law is lawmaking. That is beyond the grasp of the stupidest man in the country, Roberts is dumber than a student in special ed learning to eat with a spoon at 12.
Or perhaps Prof. Blackman could stop posting so much stupid shit all time?
Nocitur, why do you read all the stupid shit and then waste your valuable time discussing it?
Only someone smart can believe something that stupid, and here I mean Roberts. Democrats have been purely outcome oriented for his entire lifetime but he decided to ignore that to shit on his own reputation and that of his institution among conservatives to get a few glowing articles from leftists but no long-term gains.
From the first Obamacare suit on his squish saving construction nonsense has lowered the confidence and respect in the court without anything to show for it.
Anyone who hated Roberts for his ACA opinion already hated the Court.
But you inability to understand someone not being a legal realist is noted.
The conservative leak theory makes no sense. The leak allowed the mainstream media to ratchet up its 24 hour/7day a week lobbying effort on the Court. It allowed law professors and lawyers opposing the outcome to set out their analysis and criticism of the factual and legal foundations of the draft opinion. It allowed politicians opposed to Roe's reversal to attack those Justices the politicians claimed had committed to Roe's evergreen status. It allowed advocacy groups to generate larger donations, and lit a fire under individual protesters.
I don’t know what the motivation of the leaker was. But I am inclined to agree that based on the post opinion reporting which contained additional “leaks” about the reactions ongoing within the Supreme Court, the conservative justices believed that the leaker’s motivations were those of a liberal. That doesn’t mean they were correct of course, and they obviously don’t definitively know who the leaker is or otherwise we’d probably know already.
Any report based on anonymous sources is suspect.
If there are no named, verifiable, reliable sources, the "report" is speculative gossip.
That sounds like it might have merit, but it came from an anonymous source so it's suspect.
What I find so curious is why the leaker(s) remain anonymous. That is very inconsistent.
Presume that the leaker(s) are young ideologues. They want to get the word out, but they also know it'll complicate future employment. Since they haven't shown themselves, either they kindof believe in the The Cause (but not really), or they want to make money (but not really).
Presume instead they are young but not ideological. They don't really care about getting the word out, and they're sanguine about future employment because they're cynical enough to know that there will always be a (very lucrative) home for someone who leaked Dobbs. They're in it for the fame. But then why not reveal? They have nothing to gain by waiting.
So that leaves us instead with someone young and deeply infected with the mind virus of social media. They're in this for the lulz, for the network cred. That person has every reason to hold on to their secret. It's like an NFT, it grows in value the longer they wait. They know that at the right time, they can cash it in for the Golden of Golden Tickets.
Josh, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth here. Maybe you expect that few of your readers will remember what else you've written about this leak. Unfortunately, I do.
Your theory of the case (for those who've forgotten) is that the "liberal leak" was intended to undermine the Court, as an institution, by (i) swaying a wobbly Kavanaugh towards Roberts' position, having been prompted by widespread public outcry at the leaked opinion, thereby (ii) affirming Roberts' institutionalist view of the Court's legitimacy. Be strong, you counseled! Resist the urge to listen to public opinion and worry about things like a "legitimacy" built on decades of careful precedent building! Throw Roe in the trashbin and hew to your conservative agenda!
And so now we see that - if this were the intended result - that it utterly failed. Which seems to suggest that there's not much credence to the "liberal leak" hypothesis, as you'd framed it, would it not?
I maintain - and I believe subsequent events have borne this out - that a conservative justice, clerk, or ally leaked the Alito draft, precisely to box Kavanaugh in. They seem to have perceived - accurately, as it turns out - that Kavanaugh would be spooked by being the notable "switch that saved Roe", and so used the leak as an excuse to abandon Roberts' institutionalist line of reasoning.
You can see, in his concurrence, a bit of why he might have found Roberts' institutionalist argument compelling - arguing, as he does, that Dobbs doesn't authorize an unlimited panoply of anti-abortion restrictions, and suggesting that his vote overruling Roe was predicated on the expectation that state legislatures will strike a better balance between abortion access and "fetal rights" than they currently seem interested in doing. He wanted to overturn Roe, but was worried about a radical sea change caused by doing so.
But we also know, from his hearings, that Kavanaugh is not a person of integrity. When accused (perhaps unfairly) of having raped a woman many years ago at a frat party, he responded with juvenile quips and a temper tantrum. He threatened the senators exercising their constitutional responsibility with political payback. So I think we have every reason to believe that he saw the Alito leak as an opportunity to do what he wanted to do anyway - overturn Roe - because he had little desire to take one for the "institutionalist" team. He's not himself an institutionalist. He just believes that fascism is better imposed in steps, not in a single stroke. (We will see where that gets us, next term.)
Meanwhile, after months of investigation, there is no apparent update on the identity of the leaker, or indeed of the status of the investigation itself. It was always bound to be such, wasn't it? At least, if it turned out to be a conservative leaker. Every reasonable person would expect this illegitimate Court to circle its conservative wagons around a leaker who helped secure the overturn of Roe, a result each and every one of the conservative justices wanted to achieve at some point. The only way we'd ever know anything about it if the leaker were, indeed, a Sotomayor clerk or some other underling.
How does that follow? Sometimes plans don't work out: the failure doesn't prove that it wasn't actually the plan in the first place.
I at first thought that claiming the leaker was trying to destroy the court was hyperbole, but maybe not.
If the motivation was one last gasp at court packing, then I can see interpreting that as an effort to destroy the court.
We of course don't know the motive, but that motive seems at least as likely as trying to switch a vote or freeze one. But the motivation could be as mundane as sex, like the NY times reporter than was having an affair with her source during the Russiagate Hoax.
Amazing how everyone speculating about the Dobbs leak finds it's the other side that did it.
Surely this is a sign someone has secret insight, and not that we're all not letting a lack of data stop us from seizing a convenient narrative.
Is it so hard to just say you don't know who did it and leave the speculation where it is?
I told you. It's Yogi Bear.
And he's on my side. I love picnics.
Honestly, the most persuasive "leak theory" I've read is that it was a foreign hacker. That theory tied into how that one guy that shared the original byline wasn't normally on the SCOTUS circuit, but intelligence news or something like that.
Thin evidence, but honestly it's a bigger basis then the other theories which are all consequence-based.
Which is to say, if I had to place a bet on which theory was true, that'd be the one. But it'd be like a dollar, because c'mon, the evidence isn't really there.
But I *do* know. And I think the justices, after brow-beating their own staffs, know who, too.
Ginni Thomas laundered it through her media contacts.
Lotsa people think that. Without a lot of info.
No one knows.
At least no one who is talking.
"failed to save abortion rights." No bias in this reporting, no sir.
With this kind of repeated anonymous source reporting on the same topic, the further it goes along the bigger the incentive to just start making things up becomes.
What if it was Breyer' gasp attempt to salvage Roe? What if he figured he could leak the draft and maybe bring enough public pressure to bear on Kavanaugh to get him to buckle and join the Chief in limiting it to Georgia's 15 week ban.
What if Breyer thought the damage to the Court from overturning Roe would be greater than any damage he could do by leaking a draft opinion?
What if Breyer figured he could avoid any consequences by retiring at the end of the term? And what if Breyer figured that the Chief would think the damage to the Court would be too great if it were to become public a Justice (as opposed to some lowly clerk or secretary) leaked the opinion, and that it would just be swept under the rug?
What if that's why there's still no word on who was responsible?
I know it's a lot of "what ifs," but what if?
Indeed
Roberts worked four months, at least, to change a vote. So a conservative leaked because they were scared Roberts would succeed in the fifth month?
Okey-dokey.
Couldn’t possibly be a liberal realized Roberts would be unsuccessful and leaked the draft. Impossible, right?
I think the destructive nature of the leak is in the damage it does to comity and trust among the Justices. While there are strong opinions and personalities on the Court they still do seem to to have respect for each other.
Like with a cheating spouse once trust is damaged it is hard to repair.
That is true, but I still think the actual result did more damage than the leak.
No one has any respect for this worthless set of Ivy indoctrinated, know nothing bookworms. They are garbage. Nothing they say has the slightest external validation. They do not even care about the hideous results of their unauthorized human experimentation on an entire nation.
How does a decision that overturns a decision that was almost universally considered to be bad law damage the court.
What should they have decided?
All the Feti I've talked to seem satisfied.
So true, bruh.
So it had no basis in the Constitution but it should have been allowed to remain?
Anything is possible. But what would be the point of a liberal leaking the draft? How would it help the liberal's position?
By getting 2 Pro Life Voting Judges Assassinated, as almost happened in (Big Brain) Brett K's case.
To do what Roberts couldn’t—change a vote through intimidation.
So a mistake once made can never be corrected?
Was it better to fight a civil war to overturn Dred Scott?
Or wait over 50 years to reverse Plessy with Brown?
Lawrence wrongly reversed Bowers v Hardwick?
Overturning Roe only to the extent of allowing the MS law to stand was what Roberts wanted to do, but it just means the court would be right back to the same place when the next abortion law got appealed to SCOTUS, like one of the heartbeat laws. Then what, modify the standard again? And again for the next law? If the band-aid is going to come off, might as well rip it off all at once.
Precedents are not sacrosanct, they merely raise the bar that must be met when an outcome is chosen.
Law is full of novel solutions and not all decisions which people hold as precedent were decided properly, some may have occurred due to pressure to do something outside of what the law would otherwise permit.
So then you agree, one outcry, once, is preferable to multiple outcries each time the Roe standard is slightly reduced?
The almost assassination attempt on Brett K was after the Dobbs decision had been released. It had zero chance of changing the outcome even if it had been successful.
You talking about the guy who didn't approach the house and turned himself in?
Umm, well, you know, certain Ish-yews have ways of coming before the Court again, (Duh!) like "Dobbs" so taking out one of the Pro-Life Votes still matters, good chance it'll happen before the next term, given the current Administration's (lack of) concern about enforcing any laws other than trespassing at the Capitol
If we are playing chuck-a-luck (permitting a single bet from a wide field, with a large prize for hitting the longshot), I'll put my dime on Ginni Thomas.
(It was a nickel to play at the firemen's fair during my childhood, but Boz and Duane were worthy of a inflationary choice.
This one is a David Foster-David Paich special that never, in my judgment, caught up to its studio version.)
Well said, Jerry, speaking of "Dimes" who dropped the Dime on you to get you on Law Faculty at , https://www.cor.pa.gov/Facilities/StatePrisons/Pages/Greene.aspx