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When Are Lies Constitutionally Protected?: Unpunishable Lies
[I'm working on a draft article called When Are Lies Constitutionally Protected?, and I thought I'd serialize it here, since I still have plenty of time to improve it; I'd love to hear your thoughts on it! I began with a brief discussion of constitutionally unprotected lies, and turn here to constitutionally protected ones. (All the posts about it will go into this thread.)] [UPDATE: The final paper has now been published by the Knight Institute.]
But some lies, the Court told us, are indeed constitutionally protected—again, not just when they are said without "actual malice," but even if the speaker knows the statements are false. This includes "false statements about philosophy, religion, history, the social sciences, the arts, and the like," at least "in many contexts." (I assume physical sciences would be covered as well.[2]) More broadly, this may include lies about any matters that are not "easily verifiable," or where "it is perilous to permit the state to be the arbiter of truth."
Five of the Justices in United States v. Alvarez took this view: Justices Breyer and Kagan in the concurrence and Justices Alito, Scalia, and Thomas in the dissent. And it seems likely that the four Justices in the plurality, who generally took a more speech-protective view than the concurrence or the dissent, would have agreed.
When it came to the lies prohibited by the statute involved in Alvarez itself—lies about having been awarded military decorations—the Justices, put together, appeared to apply intermediate scrutiny. The four-Justice plurality would have applied strict scrutiny, but the swing votes in the concurrence applied intermediate scrutiny, and the three dissenters would have found those lies to be categorically unprotected. But as to lies about philosophy, history, science, and the like, a majority of Justices endorsed categorical protection.
And of course in New York Times v. Sullivan the Court held that "prosecutions for libel on government"—in context, including civil liability for such libel—"have [no] place in the American system of jurisprudence."[5] That included quite specific allegations, such as claims that the police have arrested Martin Luther King, Jr. seven times. The allegations were not a libel of Sullivan, the Court held, because they weren't sufficiently "of and concerning him"; and they couldn't be a libel of the city, because that would constitute an unconstitutional seditious libel claim.
The boundaries of this unprotected zone, however, are not defined, though the recent concern about "fake news" makes those boundaries quite important. Courts are sharply split, for instance, on whether the government may generally punish lies in an election campaign.[6] One court decision has rejected claims of liability for alleged lies about vaccines,[7] but without discussing in detail whether such liability can be upheld on the theory that (to quote Alvarez) it involves "legally cognizable harm associated with a false statement"[8]—in that case, physical injury caused by a person's believing the false statement.
Of course, the concern about "fake news" and the harms it can cause, both to society broadly and to particular people, is hardly new. Since 2020, many people have condemned false claims of election misconduct on the grounds that those claims damage democracy, and can indeed lead to insurrections.[9] But similar concerns (though not about election results in particular) date back to the debate over the Sedition Act of 1798. Justice Chase's instructions to the jury in United States v. Cooper, for instance, defended seditious libel prosecutions on the grounds that:
If a man attempts to destroy the confidence of the people in their officers, their supreme magistrate, and their legislature, he effectually saps the foundation of the government.[10]
Likewise, Justice Iredell in Case of Fries (1799) reasoned that the Fries Rebellion happened because "the government had been vilely misrepresented, and made to appear to them in a character directly the reverse of what they deserved."[11] "In consequence of such misrepresentations, a civil war had nearly desolated our country, and a certain expense of near two millions of dollars was actually incurred, which might be deemed the price of libels." And this showed that seditious libel prosecutions were necessary:
Men who are at a distance from the source of information must rely almost altogether on the accounts they receive from others…. [If those] accounts are false, the best head and the best heart cannot be proof against their influence; nor is it possible to calculate the combined effect of innumerable artifices, either by direct falsehood, or invidious insinuations, told day by day ….
Such being unquestionably the case, can it be tolerated in any civilized society that any should be permitted with impunity to tell falsehoods to the people, with an express intention to deceive them, and lead them into discontent, if not into insurrection, which is so apt to follow? …
Iredell reasoned that falsehoods "intended to destroy confidence in government altogether, and thus induce disobedience to every act of it" had to be punishable. And the need to punish libel in a republic was especially great
because in a republic more is dependent on the good opinion of the people for its support, as they are, directly or indirectly, the origin of all authority, which of course must receive its bias from them. Take away from a republic the confidence of the people, and the whole fabric crumbles into dust.
Update the language and the examples, and you can see an argument that could easily have been made in 2021.
A similar concern about harmful lies arose during World War I, when the Espionage Act of 1917 made it a crime to, among other things, "wilfully make or convey false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States or to promote the success of its enemies."[15] The Court upheld a conviction under this statute in Schaefer v. United States,[16] reasoning in part that the First Amendment did not extend to "weaken[ing] or debas[ing]" the "morale of the armies" through "question or calumny of the motives of authority."
The statements about the motivations for the war in the German-language newspaper in that case, the Court held, were "deliberate and wilfully false, the purpose being to represent that the war was not demanded by the people but was the result of the machinations of executive power, and thus to arouse resentment to it and what it would demand of ardor and effort." And other statements, the Court concluded, deliberately mistranslated a statement by Senator Robert LaFollette: LaFollette had warned of "bread lines" that might happen as a result of the war, but the newspaper rendered this as "bread riots."
Justice Brandeis, joined by Justice Holmes, didn't quarrel with the constitutionality of the statute, but concluded that the statute had to be read as limited to
[w]ilfully untrue statements which might mislead the people as to the financial condition of the Government and thereby embarrass it; as to the adequacy of the preparations for war or the support of the forces; as to the sufficiency of the food supply; or wilfully untrue statements or reports of military operations which might mislead public opinion as to the competency of the army or navy or its leaders; or wilfully untrue statements or reports which might mislead officials in the execution of the law, or military authorities in the disposition of the forces.
Reading it more broadly, as he thought the majority did, threatened the First Amendment:
To hold that such harmless additions to or omissions from news items, and such impotent expressions of editorial opinion, as were shown here, can afford the basis even of a prosecution will doubtless discourage criticism of the policies of the Government. To hold that such publications can be suppressed as false reports, subjects to new perils the constitutional liberty of the press ….
And, he reasoned, the rationale would apply in peacetime as well:
In peace, too, men may differ widely as to what loyalty to our country demands; and an intolerant majority, swayed by passion or by fear, may be prone in the future, as it has often been in the past, to stamp as disloyal opinions with which it disagrees. Convictions such as these, besides abridging freedom of speech, threaten freedom of thought and of belief.
Today, I expect that the "no seditious libel prosecutions" holding of Sullivan would preclude arguments such as those in Cooper and Fries, and likely even those as in Schaefer. But those arguments should still be remembered, if only as cautionary tales.
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Tomorrow: How we can make sense of the line between punishable lies and unpublishable lies.
[2] Justice Alito's arguments for protecting speech about the social sciences, quoted in Part III.A below, apply equally to physical sciences.
[5] 376 U.S. at 273–76; see also Rosenblatt v. Baer, 383 U.S 75, 81 (1966) (holding that "the Constitution does not tolerate in any form" "prosecutions for libel on government").
[6] A few cases have allowed the punishment of such lies. In re Chmura, 608 N.W.2d 31 (Mich. 2000); State v. Davis, 27 Ohio App. 3d 65 (1985). A few more have rejected it. Susan B. Anthony List v. Driehaus, 814 F.3d 466 (6th Cir. 2016); Commonwealth v. Lucas, 472 Mass. 387 (2015); 281 Care Comm. v. Arneson, 766 F.3d 774 (8th Cir. 2014); State ex rel. Public Disclosure Comm'n v. 119 Vote No! Comm., 135 Wash. 2d 618 (1998). See generally William P. Marshall, False Campaign Speech and the First Amendment, 153 U. Pa. L. Rev. 285 (2004); Frederick Schauer, Facts and the First Amendment, 57 UCLA L. Rev. 897, 913–14 (2010); Jonathan D. Varat, Deception and the First Amendment: A Central, Complex, and Somewhat Curious Relationship, 53 UCLA L. Rev. 1107, 1119–22 (2006); Richard L. Hasen, A Constitutional Right to Lie in Campaigns and Elections?, 74 Mont. L. Rev. 53 (2013); Richard L. Hasen, Cheap Speech: How Disinformation Poisons Our Politics—and How to Cure It ch. 3 (2022).
[7] Washington League for Increased Transparency & Ethics v. Fox News, 19 Wash. App. 2d 1006 (2021).
[8] 567 U.S. at 719 (plurality opin.).
[9] See, e.g., Eugene Volokh, Seditious Libel, Today and 225 Years Ago, Volokh Conspiracy (Reason), Jan. 10, 2022, 12:23 pm, https://reason.com/volokh/2022/01/10/seditious-libel-today-and-225-years-ago/ (quoting and discussing Washington Governor's proposal to criminalize "candidates and elected officials … knowingly [lying] about elections" "for the purpose of undermining the election process or results" when the statements "are likely to incite or cause lawlessness"); Eugene Volokh, Michigan AG's #DetroitLeaks Takedown Demand, and Seditious Libel, Volokh Conspiracy (Reason), Nov. 10, 2020, 4:52 pm, https://reason.com/volokh/2020/11/10/michigan-ags-detroitleaks-takedown-demand-and-seditious-libel/ (quoting and discussing Michigan Attorney General's letter demanding—on pain of "criminal prosecution"—the removal of materials on the grounds that it "contain[s] false and misleading information pertaining to Michigan elections," referring to claims about past elections and not details on how to vote in future elections).
[10] United States v. Cooper, 25 F. Cas. 631, 639 (C.C.D. Pa. 1800).
[11] Case of Fries, 9 F. Cas. 826, 1799 U.S. App. Lexis 35, *31 (C.C.D. Pa. 1799). Iredell was defending the Sedition Act of 1798, though Fries wasn't tried under that Act.
[15] Espionage Act of 1917, sec. 3.
[16] 251 U.S. 466 (1920).
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How specific need a statement be to be considered a "lie"?
Accidents cannot be predicted. That is a lie. Predictability is the basis of tort liability. That is a lie. If you leave an oil spill on a supermarket floor, watch the video recording. 100 people will walk around it. The failure of the plaintiff to do so is not predictable. If 100 people fall, no injury will result, their being normal. The fact that the plaintiff broke her hip is really scapegoating the defendant for a pre-existing condition, thin bones of age. That damage is 100% the fault of the plaintiff. The tort liability is a rent seeking, fraudulent lie.
Eugene needs to address lawyer lying in the form of supernatural lawyer doctrines, mind reading, forecasting, and standards set by a fictitious character (lying). He will never do that. He is part of the hierarchy, a denier, and an indoctrinator into garbage but lucrative methodologies.
A famous singer is raped in her motel room by a stranger who breaks in. It is a lie that the motel is responsible for the crime of another. The Fifth Amendment applies to torts liability. It is a lie that torts is not punishment but compensation. It is an excessive fine. It also punishes the defendant for the crime of another. Let the singer get compensation from the rapist. That lie is a fraud to plunder the assets of the productive. The problem is that torts also shrinks the entire enterprise. It is a lie that torts is not catastrophic theft. Go ahead plunder the assets of the motel. There will be no motels in high crime area. It is a lie that torts is not unauthorized industrial policy, Commie style. The lawyer skank should not be determining the placement of motels in high crime areas. That is not an authorized power.
It is a lie that Supreme Court judicial review is lawful. Article I Section 1 gives all legislative powers to the Congress. The repeal of a law is a legislative act. It is a lie that those decision are any more than the feelings, whims, biases, and hanger of the Justices. They are all lawless garbage by know nothing bookworms.
"or where "it is perilous to permit the state to be the arbiter of truth.""
Sounds like the sort of exception that ought to almost completely swallow the rule.
Except that "allowing the state to be the arbiter of truth" is one of those scare phrases that sounds far more ominous than in practice it usually is. Every public school teacher who tells the class that the Holocaust actually happened, against the strongly held opinions of Holocaust-deniers everywhere, has acted as an arbiter of truth. So has the judge who has just made a factual finding the deed being challenged was in fact properly executed.
I agree the state shouldn't engage in partisan political censorship, if that's the real worry. But probably 95% of what the state does is founded on the assumption that this or that fact is true.
But the school teacher, while they can grade you down for not remembering what you've been taught, has no authority at all to penalize you for not believing it.
But they can penalize you for not saying it. If I believe in the depths of my soul that pi equals 2 and it is permissible to divide by zero, I can believe that all I want. But when it comes time to take a math test, I absolutely will be penalized if that's what I put on the test.
Yup. And then you can walk out the door and tell the student next to you that pi equals two anyway.
Likewise, on the witness stand you can be penalized for refusing to answer a question. Out on the sidewalk? Not so much.
The discussion here isn't about what expressions can be penalized in a limited forum, but what expressions can be penalized generally.
No, the question is whether the government is the "arbiter of truth" as you put it. Because if it can arbitrate truth in a limited forum, what's to stop it from doing so more generally? You're the prince of slippery slope arguments; I shouldn't have to tell you that. And if it can tell students that pi equals 3.14, why can't it also tell students that countries with single payer health care insure all of their citizens at far less cost than the United States?
Would sincerely held religious beliefs be treated differently than sincerely held political beliefs in determining if a statement is a lie subject to punishment?
Facts of the case
On July 23, 2007, Xavier Alvarez, a member of the Three Valleys Water District Board of Directors, attended a joint meeting with the Walnut Valley Water District Board of Directors at the Board's headquarters. Mr. Alvarez was invited to speak about his background, and he stated, "I'm a retired marine of 25 years. I retired in the year 2001. Back in 1987, I was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor." In fact, Mr. Alvarez had not received the Congressional Medal of Honor, nor any other military medal or decoration. He had also had never served in the United States Armed Forces.
The Stolen Valor Act of 2005 makes it a crime to falsely claim receipt of military decorations or medals. On September 26, 2007, Mr. Alvarez was charged in the Central District of California with two counts of falsely representing that he had been awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor in violation the Stolen Valor Act of 2005. Mr. Alvarez moved to dismiss on the grounds that the statute violated his first amendment right to free speech. The district court denied Alvarez's motion to dismiss. The respondent thereafter pleaded guilty, but reserved his right to appeal.
Alvarez appealed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, and the court reversed and remanded the lower court's decision. It reasoned that the Supreme Court had never held that the government may prohibit speech simply because it is knowingly false and that some knowingly false speech could have affirmative constitutional value. The court of appeals denied the government's request for rehearing. Thereafter, the government appealed the court of appeals' decision.
Question
Does 18 U.S.C. 704(b), the Stolen Valor Act, violate the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment?
Conclusion
Yes. Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, writing for a 6-3 majority, affirmed the Court of Appeals. Content-based restrictions on speech are subject to strict scrutiny and are almost always invalid, except in rare and extreme circumstances. While categories of speech, such as defamation and true threats, present a grave and imminent threat, false statements alone do not present such a threat. Congress drafted the Stolen Valor Act too broadly, attempting to limit speech that could cause no harm. Criminal punishment for such speech is improper.
Justice Stephen G. Breyer concurred, concluding that false statements of fact should be subject to intermediate scrutiny. However, as drafted, the Stolen Valor Act violates intermediate scrutiny because it applies to situations that are unlikely to cause harm. Justice Elena Kagan joined in the concurrence.
Justice Samuel A. Alito dissented. Congress could not draft the Stolen Valor Act more narrowly, while still preventing the substantial harm caused by false statements concerning military decoration. Justice Antonin Scalia and Justice Clarence Thomas joined in the dissent.
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"Legally cognizable harm associated with a false statement" would be an awfully big exception once people drew a long enough chain of connections from the statement to the remotely related harm.
I've never understood this desire to make lies themselves illegal. If there is no harm done, then who cares? If harm is done, then that itself is the crime, and the lie is merely evidence.
If I brag how fast my car is, claim it will beat yours, we race, and I lose, is there any harm beyond the fuel, wear and tear, and time?
But if you buy my car based solely on my claims of how fast it will do the quarter mile, then it turns out to not be that fast, the harm is some portion of the sale price, and the lie is the evidence.
Maybe I am just not imaginative enough to think of any lie which is harmful by itself without that harm being a crime itself.
"Obama was born in Kenya" is an objectively false statement. It is probably also protected by the First Amendment. That said, it was a false statement used by a lot of miscreants and their dupes to try to sway a presidential election and to undermine a democratically elected president once he was in office. Millions of dollars were spent on it, our political discourse was coarsened, and mistrust was spread.
Now, did that lie damage our political system? Yes. Who has standing to sue? Probably nobody. This is a harm that likely has no remedy.
The problem is that, as soon as you introduce the ability to penalize objectively false statements of that sort, you introduce the ability to penalize exposing objectively false statements. And the harm THAT does to our political system is potentially vastly greater.
Brett, as with gun control, you keep insisting that the only two options are no legal remedy versus no rights. It must be unpleasant indeed to live in a world in which everything exists only in stark blacks and whites.
Do you disagree that someone can be punished for causing a stampede inside a crowded theater by falsely yelling fire? Do you think libel and defamation shouldn't be legally actionable -- if I publicly call you a child molester and you lose your job, you just have to live with it? If so, you're just nuts and we just disagree. If not, then you agree with me that that line exists, even if we don't always agree on where it is.
I agree that a lot, maybe even most, false statements are constitutionally protected. But the balance tips once they start to do real harm to real people. It's a continuum and people won't always agree on when, precisely the balance tips. But liars aren't the only people with rights.
Right back to my original assertion -- if it is real harm then it can be measured, it constitutes a crime, and that can be punished.
If a lie does no measurable harm, why punish it? If it has done measurable harm, there's your crime -- punish that and use the lie as evidence.
"Brett, as with gun control, you keep insisting that the only two options are no legal remedy versus no rights."
You must have a really distorted notion of my views to say that. I'm fine with remedies, after the fact, for rights exercises that actually cause real harm. The 2nd amendment guarantees my right to keep and bear arms, not immunity for what I then do with them. If I yell "Fire!" in a theater that's not burning, and somebody gets hurt, have at me.
I said, "of that sort" for a reason. Once you give the government the power to criminalize statements about public officials, for instance, you have to worry about them protecting the lie, and penalizing the truth.
As it happens, Obama was not born in Kenya, and this was easily established to the satisfaction of any sensible person. I would go so far as to say that the rumor that he was would have extinguished on its own if Obama hadn't mounted such a vigorous legal fight to obstruct access to his birth certificate. But be that as it may. Suppose he had been? In many countries, the government could just declare the truth to be a lie, and then punish the "lie".
They can't do that sort of thing here, and I think political lies are a small price to pay for that.
If this discussion were on Twitter I could tag @BadLegalTakes, although they must be getting awfully tired of the "fire in a theater" example.
I would prefer to take steps to keep the damage from happening. Sure, you can be prosecuted and sued after the fact for yelling fire in a crowded theater, but the people killed in the stampede will still be dead. On those occasions when the harm can be prevented, isn't it better to do so?
Not if you're opening the door for the good to be prevented, too, on the basis of a claim that it will cause harm.
A good example would be the gain of function claims that were so ruthlessly suppressed on several social media platforms, (And apparently as a result of back-channel pressure from the government!) but which the government was unable to prosecute as a lie.
As it happens, the government finally got around to admitting that, yeah, it was funding gain of function research in Wuhan. But they lied about it for better than a year.
But there is no such thing as preventing a harm that doesn’t, under some slippery slope argument or other, also potentially cause some harm or other. In practice you’ve just made governance impossible. Which I suspect is your actual goal.
Nah, you're just displaying the usual left-wing trope: Refusing to accept that any government that doesn't do everything you want really qualifies as a "government".
For most of our history we had a government that did almost nothing you want, and we didn't have anarchy.
Leave "pre-crime" to movies. The government has enough on its plate just punishing actual crimes that hurt people. Forget forbidding things that don't themselves harm anybody, just to mildly inconvenience the occasional criminal.
I've never argued that a do-nothing government isn't a government. And probably no policy ever achieves 100% perfection, but that's not the issue. The issue is whether it leaves us better off than we were before.
I'd say this is an example of a harm that has no object, and that's why one cannot apply the normal rules regarding harm to it. It is impossible to damage a "political system" in anything close to the same sense of damaging a person.
One really has to be extremely attentive when using the English language in particular. You can logically step off the cliff and never see it coming.
Six years into Trumpism, I flatly disagree that a political system can't be damaged. You really think January 6 -- mostly caused by Trump's lies -- didn't damage the system?
I could name a thousand things since 1776, 1787, or any other date, which have damaged our political system.
National bank
Dred Scott
Slaughterhouse
Plessy
Anti-trust
Loss of economic liberty
Is your TDS so bad that Jan 6th is your first and best example?
I used Trump because he is the most recent example and is freshest in everyone's mind. Perhaps you could take your fingers out of your ears and stop saying "LA LA LA LA TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME I CAN'T HEAR YOU."
You think the system wasn't damaged by elections officials deciding that they didn't need to obey election laws? That it wasn't damaged by a couple years of urban riots? By local DAs who decided that whole classes of crimes wouldn't be prosecuted?
Just restricting ourselves to lies, you think the system wasn't damaged by the Steele dossier, and the extended legal/political farce that followed?
I think those are excellent questions for a thread that isn't devoted to whether and when lies are constitutionally protected. Since that thread is not this thread, you're just attempting a distraction by changing the subject.
I see. You're actually going to try to pretend that the Steele dossier wasn't a steaming heap of lies.
I hadn't said a word about the Steele dossier. I disagree with your characterization, but sake of argument let's say you're right. I would then say the same principle applies to it that applies to Trump's lies: Most of it is probably constitutionally protected even if untrue, but if you can show real damage, those responsible should be legally accountable.
Six years into Trumpism, I flatly disagree that a political system can't be damaged. You really think January 6 -- mostly caused by Trump's lies -- didn't damage the system?
No, it did not damage "the system". It damaged property and led to the death of one woman at the hands of law enforcement, but it did nothing to "the system". In fact I'd say that there's a much better argument that the farcical "hearings" over the incident are doing more harm to "the system" than the incident itself. But if you want to point to a lie (or rather set of lies) that obviously DID do damage to U.S. democracy then "Russiagate" is a pretty good target. I wonder why you didn't cite that one.
Wuz, the British invented the farthing because a penny for your thoughts was way overpriced.
And yes, it did damage the system, because our system depends on people being able to trust one another. Of all the vile things Trump did while in power, destroying the trust of so many people in basic institutions has got to be one of the worst. We’re not going to recover from that for a long time.
What makes it particularly bad is that this wasn't a side effect of things he did; it was his purpose. You know, Watergate obviously hurt people's trust in government, but that wasn't why Nixon did it. Ditto for Lewinsky and Clinton.
But Trump consciously tried to destroy institutions — all of them — on the theory that if he burned everything else down, then he'd be standing and there wouldn't be anything to oppose him. Courts, the media, congress, the FBI, science, the military, even the GOP.
There is more damage to a political system from punishing speech. Politicians lie all the time -- the only cure is more speech, not government punishment for some of it.
If you cannot measure the harm, it does not exist.
Depends on what you mean by "measure". Do you dispute that Trump's lies about the election, which led to January 6, increased the toxicity of our politics?
Yes, there you go, thank you -- you have just admitted that "measure" is subjective. Yet you want the government to do the measuring.
A lot of measuring is subjective. A jury decides a driver was negligent in killing a child and now they have to assign damages. One juror thinks $100,000, another wants a million dollars. So they compromise.
Whatever number they ultimately end up with will be a subjective number. Are you proposing we not have jury trials for that reason?
Do you claim that Trump's lies were any more toxic than Bill and Hillary's lies about all his rapes?
Worse than LBJ, McNamara, Nixon, and Kissinger lying about Vietnam?
Worse than any of a thousand other political lies?
Get over Trump. It's people like you, whining on and on about Trump, using Hollywood-produced show trials, that give Trump his power.
As I said, I used Trump because he was the most recent example, still fresh in everyone's mind. Why do you always feel the need to change the subject whenever something bad that Trump did comes up?
No, you used Trump because you want the focus exclusively on lies by people who are on the opposing side, you want to rule out any attention to your own side's lies, your own side's contribution to the decline in trust.
Are you new here? I've been harshly critical of the Clintons in the past, even though I voted for both of them.
What about your constant drumbeat about innocent until proven guilty for Trump?
Only applicable when it's your guy, it seems!
I would, for the reason I posted earlier, though of course I would also dispute that there were any "lies about all his rapes."
For one thing, there are no "all his rapes." There's only one accusation of rape, by Juanita Broaddrick. And what lie did Clinton tell? Broaddrick swore under oath — twice — that it didn't happen. Maybe she was perjuring herself then and telling the truth later, but that's not the most plausible conclusion.
So century-old SC decisions about crimes lying deliberately to harm war efforts, as decided by governmenr arbiters of truth, ok to outlaw.
You know who else agrees with that? No, not Hitler. Well, probably Hitler, too. No, who else agrees is some other guy.
I don't have an easy answer for that. But governments might abuse it goes without saying. Our constitutional design presumes those in power will abuse it, and gates these things behind absolutist Bill of Rights, grants of power to government instead of assumed vox populi vox tyranus.
Don't underestimate the power of lies. The NYT and WaPO won Pulitzers for their lying with regard to Russiagate.
The NYT still have a death grip on that Duranty Pulitzer, most of a century later.
If the Pulitzer Committee had any integrity they would rescind those prizes or at the very least change the category to best fiction.
And, how about those Nobel Peace Prizes.
Bumble's delusions don't have a lot of weight, it seems.
It's a conspiracy!!
You mention that lies about science are generally protected. Does this principle good only against libel? I'm wondering how recent laws in states like California, which decree that a doctor's license can be revoked for speaking against the Official Government Truth about Covid-19 (or prescribing treatments that disagree with it) can be upheld. I hope they fall.