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When Are Lies Constitutionally Protected?: Punishable Lies

I'm working on a draft article with this title, and I thought I'd serialize it here, since I still have plenty of time to improve it; I'd love to hear your thoughts on it! (All the posts about it will go into this thread.) [UPDATE: The final paper has now been published by the Knight Institute.]
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Sometimes lies are constitutionally punishable: consider libel, false statements to government investigators, fraudulent charitable fundraising, and more. (I speak here of lies in the sense of knowing or reckless falsehoods, rather than honest mistakes.) But sometimes even deliberate lies are constitutionally protected. In New York Times v. Sullivan, the Court held that even deliberate lies (said with "actual malice") about the government are constitutionally protected. And in United States v. Alvarez, five of the Justices agreed that lies about "about philosophy, religion, history, the social sciences, the arts, and the like" are generally protected.
The Supreme Court hasn't explained where the line is drawn, and that leaves unclear where important areas of controversy—such as laws punishing lies in election campaigns—should fall. In this short article, I hope to offer an account that makes sense of the precedents, and offers a framework for making future decisions.
[I.] Punishable Lies
The Supreme Court has held that defamation, perjury, fraudulent attempts to get money, speech actionable under the false light tort, and lies that inflict severe emotional distress are all constitutionally unprotected.[3]
In Alvarez, the Court also suggested that the government may more broadly punish lies that involve "some … legally cognizable harm associated with a false statement, such as an invasion of privacy or the costs of vexatious litigation"; "false statements made to Government officials, in communications concerning official matters"; and lies that are "integral to criminal conduct," a category that might include "falsely representing that one is speaking on behalf of the Government, or … impersonating a Government officer."[4] Minnesota Voters Alliance v. Mansky stated, in dictum, that "We do not doubt that the State may prohibit messages intended to mislead voters about voting requirements and procedures";[5] but that case focused on speech in a nonpublic forum (polling places), and it's not clear that the Court meant to authorize such prohibitions in public speech more generally.
Lower courts have generally allowed liability or punishment for lies about others' products or property;[6] unsworn lies to government officials;[7] lies likely to provoke public panic;[8] lies about being a government official;[9] lies about having a particular university degree or professional license (regardless of whether the false representation is intended to defraud a prospective employer or professional client);[10] lies to voters about the authorship or endorsement of political campaign materials;[11] and a candidate's lies to voters about his own credentials.[12] (Query whether these cases are in some measure undermined by Alvarez.)
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Tomorrow: Unpunishable lies.
[3] Garrison v. Louisiana, 379 U.S. 64, 75 (1964) (defamation); Konigsberg v. State Bar, 366 U.S. 36, 49 n.10 (1961) (perjury); Illinois ex rel. Madigan v. Telemarketing Associates, Inc., 538 U.S. 600 (2003) (fraud, even in the context of otherwise fully protected charitable solicitations); Cantrell v. Forest City Publishing Co., 419 U.S. 245 (1974) (false light); Time, Inc. v. Hill, 385 U.S. 374 (1967) (false light); Hustler Magazine, Inc. v. Falwell, 485 U.S. 46, 56 (1988) (intentional infliction of severe emotional distress).
[4] 567 U.S. 709, 719 (2012) (plurality opin.); id. at 734 (Breyer, J., concurring in the judgment).
[5] 138 S. Ct. 1876, 1889 n.4 (2018).
[6] Unelko Corp. v. Rooney, 912 F.2d 1049, 1057-58 (9th Cir. 1990) (trade libel); SCO Group, Inc. v. Novell, Inc., 692 F. Supp. 2d 1287, 1296 (D. Utah 2010) (slander of title). This is so even though these torts do not injure the individual dignitary interests that have long justified defamation law, see Milkovich v. Lorain Journal Co., 497 U.S. 1, 22 (1990) (quoting with approval Rosenblatt v. Baer, 383 U.S. 75, 92-93 (1966) (Stewart, J., concurring)).
[7] E.g., Clipper Exxpress v. Rocky Mountain Motor Tariff Bureau, Inc., 690 F.2d 1240 (9th Cir. 1982) (18 U.S.C. § 1001 generally); United States v. Konstantakakos, 121 Fed. Appx. 902, 905 (2d Cir. 2005) (statements on an immigration application); People v. Hanifin, 77 A.D.3d 1181 (N.Y. App. Div. 2010) (911 calls); State v. Bailey, 644 N.E.2d 314 (Ohio 1994) (statements to police officer); Howell v. State, 921 N.E.2d 503 (Ind. Ct. App. 2009) (statements to police officer). This likely includes knowingly false crime reports made to the public in general, if they seem certain to come to the attention of law enforcement officials. Haley v. State, 712 S.E.2d 838 (Ga. 2011) (rejecting First Amendment challenge to defendant's conviction when defendant released YouTube videos claiming to be a serial killer and was then prosecuted for making a false statement on a matter within the jurisdiction of a state agency).
[8] Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47, 52 (1919) ("falsely shouting fire in a theatre"); 47 C.F.R. § 73.1217 (false radio or television statements that foreseeably cause "direct and actual damage to property or to the health or safety of the general public, or diversion of law enforcement or other public health and safety authorities from their duties"); 18 U.S.C. § 1038(a)(1) (false statements claiming an attack involving weapons of mass destruction "has taken, is taking, or will take place"), upheld by United States v. Brahm, 520 F. Supp. 2d 619, 626-27 (D.N.J. 2007) (citing Schenck).
[9] Chappell v. United States, 2010 WL 2520627 (E.D. Va. June 21); United Seniors Ass'n, Inc. v. Social Sec. Admin., 423 F.3d 397, 404, 407 (4th Cir. 2005); State v. Wickstrom, 348 N.W.2d 183 (Wis. Ct. App. 1984). The statutes apply even when this does not involve fraudulently depriving anyone of money or property. Thus, for instance, the federal statute barring impersonation of federal officials, 18 U.S.C. § 912, has been read to require only "that the defendants have, by artifice and deceit, sought to cause the deceived person to follow some course he would not have pursued but for the deceitful conduct." United States v. Lepowitch, 318 U.S. 702, 704 (1943). "[A] person may be defrauded although he parts with something of no measurable value at all." Id. at 705; see also United States v. Robbins, 613 F.2d 688 (8th Cir. 1979); United States v. Hamilton, 276 F.2d 96 (7th Cir. 1960); State v. Messer, 91 P.3d 1191 (Kan. 2004). Nor are the statutes limited to impersonation of government officials who have coercive power such as that possessed by FBI agents or police officers. See, e.g., 18 U.S.C. § 912 (covering impersonation of any federal government agent); State v. Cantor, 534 A.2d 83 (N.J. Super. Ct. App. Div. 1987) (upholding conviction for defendant newspaper reporter's impersonating a county morgue employee in order to get information about a homicide victim from the victim's mother).
[10] Long v. State, 622 So. 2d 536 (Fla. Ct. App. 1993); People v. Kirk, 310 N.Y.S.2d 155 (Cty. Ct. 1969); State v. Marino, 929 P.2d 173 (Kan. Ct. App. 1996).
[11] This is so when the statements violate trademark law or other legal rules, even when no money is involved. E.g., United We Stand America, Inc. v. United We Stand, America New York, Inc., 128 F.3d 86 (2d Cir. 1997) (rejecting First Amendment arguments and upholding injunction against defendant's using the name "United We Stand, America"); United We Stand America, Inc. v. United We Stand, America New York, Inc., 941 F. Supp. 39 (S.D.N.Y. 1996) (stating that the Lanham Act applies not just to deceptive uses of another organization's name with respect to fundraising, but also with respect to "holding public meetings and press conferences" and "propounding proposals") (quoting Brach Van Houten Holding, Inc. v. Save Brach's Coalition for Chicago, 856 F. Supp. 472, 475-76 (N.D. Ill. 1994)); Tomei v. Finley, 512 F. Supp. 695 (N.D. Ill. 1981) (rejecting First Amendment arguments and enjoining Democratic candidates from using the acronym "REP," as in "Vote REP April 7," as shorthand for the Representation for Every Person Party, a name seemingly chosen precisely to deceive voters into thinking that the candidates were Republicans); Schmitt v. McLaughlin, 275 N.W.2d 587, 590 (Minn. 1979) (rejecting First Amendment arguments in holding that the defendant's use of initials "DFL" in advertisements and lawn signs violated a state law barring false claims of support or endorsement by a political party, there the Democratic Farmer Labor party); People v. Duryea, 351 N.Y.S.2d 978, 988 (Sup. Ct. 1974) (dictum) (stating that a ban on false claims of endorsement by a political party would be constitutional), aff'd, 354 N.Y.S.2d 129 (App. Div. 1974).
[12] Treasurer of the Comm. to Elect Gerald D. Lostracco v. Fox, 389 N.W.2d 446 (Mich. Ct. App. 1986) (upholding against First Amendment challenge a statute banning false claims that one is the incumbent); Ohio Democratic Party v. Ohio Elections Comm'n, 2008 WL 3878364 (Ohio. Ct. App. Aug. 21) (upholding against First Amendment challenge a statute banning candidates from claiming to hold an office that they do not currently hold). Alvarez of course also involved a politician's lies about his credentials, but that statute was not focused on candidate lies to voters.
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Related to the professional licensing exception: In the New England Compounding Center cases, the defendants were convicted of fraud based in part on an ambiguous statement that pharmacy technicians had a particular certification. It turned out some did and some didn't. The courts ruled that the defendants could be held liable as if they had said "every one of our technicians is certified", which was false. Accustomed to puffery I would have taken the statement to mean "certified technicians participated in the making of these drugs," which was true. (U.S. v. Cadden and U.S. v. Chin; there were at least four reported decisions from the First Circuit over the past few years.)
Please, address the lies that minds can be read, the future forecast, and that standards of conduct should be set by a fictitious character. It is also a lie that this character is fictitious, because we are being gaslighted and he is really Jesus. These lies are to generate worthless jobs that return nothing of value, and are highly toxic to our nation, in a scheme by a big government Ivy indoctrinated criminal enterprise hierarchy.
What about the self evident lies that the language of the constitution does not exist, like Article I Section 1. It gives all legislative power to the Congress, and none to the court nor to the executive branch.
I hope you will address the biggest liars in the country, the lawyer profession, including you. You are imposing vile, toxic lies on intelligent and ethical young people who want to get a job.
These blatant lies about the constitution are in insurrection, and punishable by terms of 10 years in prison.
Hey, Eugene. Emmett Till. Discuss. The liar was completely immunized by the vile lawyer profession. The lynch mob acting on a lie was immunized, you scumbags. You stink. Everything you do stinks.
What about the lie that members of the lawyer profession and their servants are legally immune? That is so false, as to fully justify violence in formal logic. What about the lie that formal logic is not superior to all rules and ratified treaties, and may be ignored for professional advantage?
There are also lies by omission. For example, you will not discuss Dred Scott, an utter lawyer national catastrophe, in Con Law. You will not tell the students that every self stated goal of every law subject is in failure. You will not tell the students that you are using supernatural doctrines plagiarized from the catechism in your sick, worthless procedures and decision making, in violation of the Establishment Clause.
OK, 600000 deaths in the Civil War caused by Dred Scott was bad. It also led to Roe, with its 60 million deaths of Democrats, 20 million being diverses.
So is this the on-line version of talking to yourself?
New around here?
You ain't seen nothin' yet. Wait until queen almathea and SarcastrO weigh in.
This is for your welfare, to find my thoughts, aspirations, dreams in one convenient location. I care. Perhaps, I care too much. All people reply with are personal remarks, committing the Fallacy of Irrelevance.
Oh no. Most people most of the time respond by ignoring you.
KryKry. You are a denier and a toxic lawyer. I urge you to put me on Mute User. You are protecting the rent. There is no talking to deniers. You believe in supernatural doctrines. You are not insane. You are stealing our money, using a man with a gun, and returning nothing of value.
Y'know, I saw a whole mess of "Comment hidden because this user is muted", and I figured that meant a couple of folks with really bad takes just got into it.
But you made me wonder and i just checked and... it's just Behar, over and over again. Responding to themselves. A *lot*.
That is definitely a mute I do not not regret.
Lying by Ivy indoctrinated skank.
https://www.heritage.org/press/heritage-president-files-congressional-ethics-complaint-against-rep-katie-porter-slandering
The imposition of the lie that dudes are chicks needs to be addressed. Dude impregnated 2 female prisoners pretending to be a chick. That fake female Penn swimmer gets a woody showering with the female swimmers, and loves to fuck women.
The lie is that woke is being nice to people. It is case, lawyer rent seeking. Rent seeking is armed robbery and should be severely punished.
The biggest lie in history is that a lockdown was to save lives. It took lives. It destroyed the economy to prevent the shoo in reelection of Trump. It dropped the world economy $4 trillion, and killed millions by starvation. The lie scored $1.7 trillion profit for our oligarchs, $2 trillion for the Chinese oligarchs, and lost Trump the election.
If half the accounts of social media are not human, but advertisers are charging advertisers for their viewership, that is a lie and fraudulent.
Contracts and Terms of Use that are written above the 6th grade reading level, in small print, and in an English that is hard to understand, i.e. lawyer language, are unconscionable because they are lies.
Anywhere the lawyer uses the word, constructive. That word means, just made up shit denying reality.
During his attempts to diagnose some mysterious disease, Dr. House would remind his team that "everybody lies". If you accept that statement (I do) this series should prove interesting in trying to determine who should be subject to punishment for something everyone does.
Correct. A question on a personality test will invalidate the rest of the answers. It is, I never lie. If you say, true, the rest is invalidated.
Assuming for sake of discussion without necessarily agreeing that everybody lies, I don't think the fact that everybody does it is or should be a legal defense. Lots of people cheat on their taxes, run red lights, drink before they're old enough, and do various and sundry other things that are illegal. The traffic court judge who's fining people for speeding probably drove above the speed limit to get to the courthouse, if not today, then yesterday or the day before. The law is a statement of how people should behave, not how they actually do behave.
KryKry is saying, we are all Donald Trump.
Yet the law considers statements made to doctors sufficiently reliable to allow doctors to relay hearsay by the patient in the context of an expert opinion.
It is true that there is an exception to the hearsay exclusion that generally covers testimony about statements made by a declarant for the purpose of seeking medical diagnosis or treatment, and it is true that one of the rationales for that exception is that such statements are considered more reliable than typical hearsay statements. The idea is that a person wouldn't normally say to a doctor, "I've been having terrible headaches for a week" if that weren't true. But of course sometimes people do lie to their doctors ("oh, I hardly ever drink alcohol, and I've been doing all those exercises you told me to do, even the hard ones!"). Which is why, as with other exceptions to hearsay, while such statements are *admissible* for the truth of the matter asserted, they don't *establish* that truth, and juries can decide how persuasive they believe that testimony is.
This is why materiality is generally an element of laws based on deception.
I hope you intend to discuss when the government and its agents can and cannot lie, and what remedies are available to victims when the line is crossed. From police interrogation practices to FOIA vs. national security (i.e. lying about whether there are responsive records), there's a lot going on in that direction.
I think that that might open the discussion to "good" lies and "bad" lies.
I see there is nothing in 18 USC 1001 explicitly limiting its application to lies _to_ the government. Imagine a world where government employees go to prison if they lie to you.
...or lie to a court.
I tried picturing that, but failed. The flying pigs blotted out the sun.
When the government is filled with servants of the Chinese Commie Party and Democrats, there is an affirmative patriotic duty to lie to the FBI and to the other federal scumbag lawyer thugs. They are the Mafia. They are at war with our nation. Lying is a duty.
"In New York Times v. Sullivan, the Court held that even deliberate lies (said with "actual malice") about the government are constitutionally protected."
Not true. The Court held that actual malice is what removes the lie from Constitutional protection. See Sullivan, 376 U.S. at 279 - 280.
captcrisis: Might you be mistaken on that? See the passage beginning "We also think the evidence was constitutionally defective in another respect" (another respect besides absence of evidence of "actual malice"), and in particular the statement:
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Eugene specifically said deliberate lies "about the government." You're confusing that with the section in Sullivan about specific government officials. Read pages 288 onward for the Court's discussion on the former, e.g.:
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The vast majority of lies are legal as they should be.
Is failing to"tell the truth, the whole truth and noting but the truth" a lie?
What all the "illegal" lies have in common is that they arguably can cause actual harm. What makes shouting "fire!" in a crowded theater wrong is that people might get hurt in the resulting stampede. No harm, no foul.
Sadly, this is a principle that the political left has convinced itself may be completely ignored. When you say that both "speech is violence" and "silence is violence", you really shouldn't expect to be taken seriously.
When you say that either "speech is violence" or "silence is violence", you really shouldn't expect to be taken seriously.
FIFY.
A Supreme Court justice -- I think it was Rehnquist but don't hold me to it -- was called for jury duty and wanted to actually serve on the jury. So, when he filled out the questionnaire, under occupation he listed "civil servant." Showing that something can be technically true and still thoroughly misleading.
...but was it a "lie"?
A lie by omission. He should have been prosecuted for his false attestation.
If the question did not call for specifics it was not a "lie" by omission.
Did Rehnquist try to fool the jury pool to get selected? He was lying.
He would have run roughshod over the other jurors, and in reality would have served as a one person jury, in violation of the Seventh Amendment.
Funny thing is how many lawyers would not recognize him. Maybe they'd find out in Voir Dire.
"So, what do you actually do as a civil servant?"
"Oh, I boss a few clerks around, listen to some windbags arguing, and wear a black tent sometimes at work. And there's this neat wooden hammer I get to bang when I want to end the day."
When I was in a criminal jury pool they read us a list of names and asked us to indicate if we knew the person. Mostly witnesses including law enforcement, probably a few lawyers. I think a trial judge or practicing trial lawyer from the area would have had some interaction with them and been disqualified. An appellate judge, though, is well insulated from reality.
The hard question for a Supreme Court judge would be a variant of, "do you agree to accept the law as I describe it to you?"
Why would that be hard? The case before him is as a juror not the Chief Justice of the SC. A problem might arise if the case ever made it to the SC.
As long as we're talking about lying, one question I've never liked is "Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?" I would find it impossible to answer this just on practicalities alone. How could I swear to tell the "whole" truth? No one knows what the whole truth of anything -- in fact, isn't that's why we're having this examination in the first place?
Is this an actual question that people are asked in a court of law, or is it just a Hollywood trope? I've always presumed its the latter.
From Wikipedia:
United States
Oath:
Do you solemnly (swear/affirm) that you will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, (so help you God/under pains and penalties of perjury)?
"Swear" may be replaced with "affirm", and either "so help you God" or "under pains and penalties of perjury" may be used; all oaths and affirmations are considered to be equivalent before the law.[12] These modifications to the oath were originally introduced in order to accommodate those who feel uncomfortable swearing religious oaths, such as Quakers, as well as to accommodate the irreligious.[13] In United States v. Ward, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that certain other modifications of the oath were acceptable so long as they demonstrated "a moral or ethical sense of right and wrong".[14]
Oath (California):
You do solemnly state that the testimony you may give in the case now pending before this court shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Or, you know, they just mean "the whole truth as you know it." It could be as simple and straightforward as that. This is probably more about lies of omission than a person's failure to be omnipotent.
Just remember. . .
There's a difference between something being true. . . and the truth.
Saying it's raining outside might be true but the truth would be there's a hurricane.
It's how political commentators (and yes the left and right), get away with BS.
Almost everything they say is true and can be verified (yup it is raining outside), but it's NEVER the truth.
You lost me on the last sentence.
Almost everything that comes out of Trump's mouth is false on its face and neither "true" nor "the truth." GOP politicians, especially the MAGAts, are able to get away with bold-faced lies as long as those lies reinforce what their constituents already believe or want to believe.
Courthouses attract mendacity like shite draws flies. And in my humble experience the worst of it flows like goose butter from the courthouse occupants -- clerks, judges, privy purses, bailiffs, deputies, petty bags, prosecutors, solicitors, prothonotaries, magistrates, commissioners, assessors, and so on, reminding me of the introduction to Dickens's BLEAK HOUSE.
If you are college teacher, you see often the lie/lazy mix, the well-developed initial falsehood , a falsehood that is just something plausible and allowed to exist because of a lazy student. So be careful with trying to distinguish. So many students read lies and don’t know they are lies , but that does not make them liars. And of course even if you know it’s a lie you can also cite and point to the original lie and say “I didn’t know”
Look at what you said : ” five of the Justices agreed that lies about “about philosophy, religion, history, the social sciences, the arts, and the like” are generally protected.”
A lawyer’s fee heaven…What is philosophy and what isn’t….What does ‘generally’ mean ??
This is no simple cause and effect. Three changes are required
1) Schools are ‘generally’ [ there’s that lawyer word again ???? ] propaganda machines and
and in the hot topics (religion, politics, morality) there is no discussion , no learning.
2) Every subject is an island. Where I teach the science people never talk with the religion profs, the philosophy teachers are all of the same political stripe, you don’t talk morals at all because you don’t want discussion
3) Specifically, most students and teachers now know almost nothing about the American Founding, American History (maybe some Howard Zinn nonsense (talk about hate !!) . I leave you with this. Look it up , maybe it’s fake news maybe not ????
“A national survey found just one in three Americans could pass the citizenship test”