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Postmaster's Libel Lawsuit Against Project Veritas (Over Claims of Voter Fraud) Can Go Forward
From Weisenbach v. Project Veritas, decided today by Erie County (Pa.) Court of Common Pleas Judge Marshall Piccinini:
Project Veritas is a non-profit media organization founded by James O'Keefe, III. On November 5, 2020, just two days after the November 3, 2020, presidential election, it published a story claiming to have uncovered a voter fraud scheme orchestrated out of the United States Postal Service General Mail Facility in Erie, Pennsylvania. Specifically, the article and accompanying video alleged that Erie Postmaster, Robert Weisenbach, directed the backdating of mail-in ballots in order to sway the outcome of the presidential election in favor of candidate Joseph Biden. The report relied upon an anonymous whistleblower, later revealed to be Richard Hopkins, a postal employee who claimed he overhead a conversation between Weisenbach and another supervisor. Hopkins stated that Weisenbach's motive for backdating mail-in ballots was that he was a "Trump hater," although, in reality, Weisenbach was a supporter of President Donald Trump and voted for him on election day.
In the days that followed, Project Veritas posted two more video interviews with Hopkins where he repeated his false claims, the latter after it was reported by news outlets that Hopkins had recanted his earlier allegations when confronted by postal inspectors, although Hopkins later claimed that recantation was coerced. The story soon gained traction among those amplifying claims of voter fraud, including President Trump himself. Weisenbach was forced to leave Erie for a time after personal details, including his address, were discovered and disseminated by readers of the Project Veritas stories. Project Veritas nonetheless maintains that the stories were investigated and published consistent with standards of "professional, ethical and responsible journalism."
Weisenbach disagrees. He brings this lawsuit against Hopkins, Project Veritas, and O'Keefe, alleging claims of defamation and concerted tortious activity. Defendants now seek to dismiss the claims before discovery has even begun by filing Preliminary Objections to Weisenbach's First Amended Complaint. That parties frame the action in broad terms as implicating competing ideals lying at the heart of our republic. Weisenbach argues that the stories were "not investigative journalism[,]" but rather "targeted character assignation aimed at undermining faith in the United States Postal Service and the results of the 2020 Presidential election" having "no place in our country." Defendants contend that this case raises fundamental concerns regarding freedom of the press, and that, pursuant to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, we rely not on judges or juries to root out pernicious speech, but on competition in an uninhibited marketplace of ideas where the truth will ultimately prevail.
Whatever the merits of these lofty assertions, the Court's task today in reviewing Defendants' Preliminary Objections is much more modest. First, the Court must decide whether it lacks subject matter jurisdiction over the claims against Hopkins in light of the Federal Tort Claims Act, which vests federal courts with exclusive jurisdiction over actions brought against federal employees who cause injury while acting within the scope of their employment. Second, in assessing Defendants' Objections in the nature of demurrers, the Court must simply determine "whether, on the facts averred, the law says with certainty that no recovery is possible." For the reasons that follow, the Court answers both of those questions in the negative and consequently overrules Defendants' Preliminary Objections to the First Amended Complaint….
It is apparent that the parties perceive the events of the days following the 2020 presidential election through wildly different lenses. Today's Opinion recounts those days through the eyes of Robert Weisenbach. [This is because in deciding a motion to dismiss, the court must assume the accuracy of a plaintiff's plausibly pleaded factual assertions. -EV] As he sees it, Richard Hopkins was acting well outside the scope of his employment when he supplied false claims of mail-in ballot backdating to Project Veritas, and so, jurisdiction over the claims now levied against him does not lie exclusively in federal court pursuant to the Federal Tort Claims Act.
Likewise, Weisenbach's averments are legally sufficient to make out claims of defamation and concerted tortious activity against all Defendants, even under the demanding actual malice standard. Whether Weisenbach will be able to offer adequate evidence to support his claims, and whether a jury would ultimately be willing to credit such evidence after hearing both sides of the story, remains to be seen. For now, it is enough to hold that the averments set forth in the Amended Complaint are sufficient as a matter of law to permit the action to proceed to discovery, where the truth of these claims can begin to be tested in the crucible of our adversarial system.
The opinion is 58 pages long, and I'm afraid I don't have the time to get through it now, but I thought I'd briefly excerpt it here.
Congratulations to David Houck of Ogg, Murphy & Perkosky, P.C and John Langford of Protect Democracy for the pointer.
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I wonder if it will get far enough to include interesting discovery.
Like what?
*rolls eyes* at the lack of imagination these days
Oh, no, it's evident there is plenty of imagination these days.
Indeed.
Hopkins' bank account?
What specific physical or financial damage resulted, if true? Hurt feelings are worth shit. The lawyer is just churning business here. The lawyers of both sides and that rent seeking worthless fuckface in the middle should all be beaten with a stick. We are sick of this vile, toxic, thievin', garbage profession.
Where is the scumbag lawyer when 7 year old girls are being intimidated by woke thug diverses? Nowhere in sight.
https://www.westernjournal.com/young-girl-forced-public-apology-given-cruel-restriction-addition-blm-poster-angers-woke-school-report/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=conservative-brief-CT&utm_campaign=dailyam&utm_content=conservative-tribune&ats_es=731571b3134386edfd354e86a103b590
If the Trumplicans really had all this good evidence, why do they have to lie so often about it?
Funny how these things never get past The NY Times v Sullivan standard when the plaintiff is a Republican and the defendants a liberal media outlet, but always do when the positions are reversed
The Trump-supporting postmaster is a liberal media outlet?
Don't raise inconvenient points.
Carlos knows what he thinks and trivialities like facts aren't going to change his mind.
I was speaking generally but yeah, could’ve been more clear.
Don't feel too bad. We know how it works when your conditioning kicks in. PV was on one side, so the knee just jerks, the saliva starts flowing, and you go with it? Thinking is just confusing, and makes you angry.
Yeah, except that Sullivan applies to public figures, which the postmaster of a medium-sized Pennsylvania city isn't. The Covington kids managed to settle on what everyone assumes are pretty nice terms with a bunch of liberal media organizations in similar circumstances.
Sandman won because CNN employees presented inaccurate, libelous statements as fact.
Project Veritas used a source that made inaccurate, libelous statements. Big difference.
Well, he also won because they kept those incorrect, libelous statements in place after knowing they were incorrect. Veritas' biggest danger point here is continuing to use the statements in question after they'd been repudiated.
They were repudiated, then reaffirmed.
"Hopkins had recanted his earlier allegations when confronted by postal inspectors, although Hopkins later claimed that recantation was coerced."
It's not hard to believe a postal inspector would help coverup an incident that makes the postal service look bad. They do good work on something's, but the idea that they'd try to tamp down something that makes the postal service look bad when it's a postmaster trying to coverup being overwhelmed by election day mail doesn't seem farfetched.
Kazinski quoting the judge, who in turn is paraphrasing the Plaintiff's complaint :
"Hopkins had recanted his earlier allegations when confronted by postal inspectors, although Hopkins later claimed that recantation was coerced."
You are missing off eight important words which come before "Hopkins" :
"after it was reported by news outlets that..."
It's important to note the cascade of reported speech here. The plaintiff is referring to news outlet reporting, and the judge is paraphrasing the plaintiff. That's a long way from actually "recanted."
And the detail in the opinion (again relying on plaintiff supplied facts) is a little more nuanced :
When it was suggested by one of the inspectors that
“(tlhe reality is, you've heard words and you assumed what they were sayingl,I” he responded “{m]y mind probably added the rest.”
"with the help of postal inspectors, Hopkins then signed a revised affidavit"
"retracting many of the assertions in his previous one on the understanding that doing so would “save [his] ass".
So we have postal inspector suggestions nudging the witness, an affidavit signed "with the help of postal inspectors" and the retraction of "many of" [ie not all of] the assertions "on the understanding that doing so would save [his] ass."
So it seems to me that Project Veritas would have a plausible argument that they reasonably believed hs retraction was partial and coerced (whether or not it was in fact so coerced.)
Also since Project Veritas' whole raison d'etre is that you can't trust what you read in the MSM the idea that media reports of a "retraction" should have put them on notice that their witness had retracted, is absurd.
Especially when they had the tape of his interview with the postal inspectors, and his assurance that he had just been trying to protect his ass.
Of course postal inspectors making suggestions to the witness, and helping the witness with his affidavit could be perfectly reasonable and standard preactice. And in no way suggestive of any eagerness to squish the witness's story. They may just have been doing their job, quite properly.
That the witness's "recantation" was published in media outlets within 24 hours of his second interview with postal inspectors is probably just a coincidence.
No, I agree the recantation doesn't doom them, it's just the greatest point of danger to them.
It's also not hard to believe Project Veritas is making shit up.
Actually it is hard, because unlike the NYT and WaPo, they have no history of ever doing so before.
Additional material noted and accepted.
No.
Sandman did win even if it wasn’t in court.
In a legal context, winning is what happens in court. Getting a nuisance settlement is a fine thing, but it's not winning and to claim it is seems intentionally misleading.
Does "everyone" assume that, or do Trumpkins assume that?
Pretty much everyone who isn't committed to believing the initial libel, yeah.
Granted, not hundreds of millions worth of nice. More like "Net worth of over a million dollars at the age of 20" nice.
Which is pretty nice, actually, when you consider that was left over AFTER the lawyers were paid.
How do you know any of this?
Forbes reported on his net worth.
Can you provide a link?
All I got was a lot of "according to Forbes," and this:
https://forbeshints.com/blog/nick-sandmann-net-worth-income-and-salary/
which both Firefox ad Chrome tell me is a security risk.
No link?
Assuming Forbes did publish this, which I consider an open question, how did they get the figures?
Do they have access to Sandmann's financial records, somehow?
Look, I agree that Sandman and the Covignton kids are dumb as paint (thankfully they wear hats so they can be identified at a distance) however it was clear they were the ones approached by a 'Karen' who intentionally tried to harass them. The media dragging them through the mud was inexcusable. Hope they got a good settlement out of it.
The protester was being provocative, but they didn't cover themselves in glory either. I thought they came off as entitled assholes.
Though yeah, the media also fucked up.
Lots of blame to go around.
Huh? What did they do that was in any way blameworthy? They just stood there. Should they not have done that?!
The postmaster of a medium-sized Pennsylvania city is as much a public figure as the police commissioner of a medium-sized Alabama city. In both cases they're public figures in the context to stories about how they're doing their jobs, not stories about their private lives.
"Trump supporting".
My ass.
Yes, you are an ass. Hole, to be precise. I know you're butt-hurt to find out that the victim was a Trump supporter. (Elevating the bullsh*t allegation from moronic to retarded.) Sorry.
But please feel free to treat this story as you treat every other remotely-political story. Just ignore the actual facts.
I hope you are not a Republican. I'd hate to find out that I have someone like you on my team.
Hopkins recorded the PI interviews and released them. Did you ever hear them?
Where have you been the last 5-6 years?
The postmaster in question claims he voted for Trump. Do you have any particular reason (particular to this specific postmaster) to doubt him?
What's more likely:
A unionized Federal claiming to be a Trump supporter that is just an innocent victim by another Trump-supporting liar.
-or-
Or a unionized Federal claiming to be a Trump supporter because everyone accepts the premise that our political labels dictate what actions we may or may not take, immoral, illegal or not, and no one would believe a Trump supporter would alter an election account in favor of his opponent (just like how everyone believes the corollary, that a Trump supporter would alter in favor of Trump, or a Trump hater would alter in favor of Biden).
Do you see the contradiction? His claim is supposed to be his immunity, but somehow doesn't work as immunity for Hopkins.
So, no reason specific to this individual.
A postmaster runs a specific post office Thus, because of the managerial nature of the position, by law, a postmaster is not eligible to be "unionized."
Bravo Charlie Delta spends little time with such things as facts. He's more interested in performatively using the military alphabet.
Meh, the most consequential #fakenews of 2016/20 was the FBI leaking to Fox News/WSJ that Hillary was likely to be indicted from the Clinton Foundation investigation. Hillary would have fired Comey and McCabe just like Trump because they are fairly typical Bush Republicans.
Can you cite the "likely to be indicted" stories? I certainly do not remember any.
"Can you cite the "likely to be indicted" stories?"
https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/304105-report-indictment-likely-in-fbis-clinton-foundation-probe/
11/02/16 11:14 PM ET
"Two sources with intimate knowledge of the FBI’s investigations told Fox News Wednesday that a probe of the Clinton Foundation is likely to lead to an indictment. "
Um, that's just not true. These things routinely do get past this stage even when the defendant is the actual NY Times. For instance Sarah Palin's case just a few months ago made it all the way to the jury.
Averment, there's a word you don't hear every day.
I read it. Where did you hear it?
I don't think I ever have.
It's an interesting game, going through legal opinions and noting the words that you have read, sometimes quite often, but never have heard someone say.
This kind of thing happened to me a lot as a kid. I was a precocious and voracious reader and was surprised when I heard words pronounced in a way different than I imagined when I had seen them in print. Examples were "emergency", "occupy" and "determine".
Been through that a lot myself.
Knew a person in her mid 40s who was widely read but had generally lived among polite company and watched very little TV. She was surprised to find out "whore" was not pronounced "war".
I think I was literally 11 or 12 before I realized that "hors d'oeuvre" was the actual spelling of "or derv" . . . a term I had heard hundreds of times in restaurants and parents' dinner parties and TV shows.
I remember reading about L'Hospital's rule when studying calculus, and then wondering what the hell the teacher was talking about when he kept going on about "Lopital's rule."
Isn't it spelled "L'Hôpital"?
Yes. Usually. But the circumflex means a following "s" has been deleted, and in my calculus book (I still have it and I checked) it is spelled L'Hospital.
Calc teacher: And he wasn't even some great mathematician. He was a rich guy who wanted his name on something, so paid some graduate students to do the heavy lifting.
Is that right? I didn't know that.
"Misled". "Parameter".
Maybe he uses a screen reader.
I hope Hopkins and Project Veritas are bankrupted by litigation and scorned and shunned by their betters. Clingers are welcome to continue to applaud these worthless losers as they (clingers, Hopkins, Project Veritas) await replacement, also by their betters.
Great legal analysis, bruh. It really speaks well for your Top Tier law school education.
Kind of interesting case, it's a fact that Hopkins made the claims that the post master did backdate the postmarks of the ballot, and if another supervisor verified the claims that seems to put Project Veritas in the clear over reporting the claims, it's clearly not beyond Hopkins scope of employment to be a whistleblower when the postmaster violates the law.
As a former postal worker, I find the claims of a postmaster backdating postmarks as a CYA when mail isn't processed in time, and a postal inspector going into coverup mode very believable, although Trump hate isn't out of the question.
So assuming the backdating did happen then the only possible liable would be falsely asserting that the postmaster was a Trump hater, and I would have to find for the postmaster for being falsely smeared as being in the class of some of the most dispicable people in America, that's definitely lible.
some of the most dispicable people
It's spelled "dethpicable".
Only if you're a pussy cat.
If the cat has a pus problem, get it to the vet who will prescribe antibiotics.
Daffy Duck as well as Sylvester.
I had an express mail package coming with a noon delivery guarantee. The Post Office called around delivery time to say there had been a problem. A very well dressed man, not the normal letter carrier, handed the package to me around 4 PM. I checked online tracking and it had been delivered at noon.
Probably was: To the wrong address.
That would account for everything except for the phone call from the Post Office.
If the well-dressed man had called the local post office, to say, "Hey, you delivered Address X package to me, at Address Y." . . . then, yeah; it would explain why the local post office did call Address Y, to give a heads-up that it was aware of a delivery issue.
I used to call the post office when I got someone else's mail. Finally, I got tired of doing this, and (assuming the correct address was nearby) I started just shlepping the mail over to the correct recipient. My contribution to being a good neighbor.
On more than one occasion in more than one year in a small town post office I was told by the post master and overheard him telling others that all mail to the IRS that was deposited over night on the day taxes were due would be postmarked the previous date in the morning when the employees processed the mail.
I wish I knew that instead of making cross-city runs at 10 pm to catch the one post office open late.
I read the opinion and the pleadings. The claims against Project Veritas are sanctionably frivolous. The judge is a complete idiot or a biased crook or (most likely) both.
"The claims against Project Veritas are sanctionably frivolous."
Speaking of sanctions . . . the lead lawyer for the defendants is one of the Trump Election Litigation: Elite Strike Force members confronting disciplinary proceedings.
In particular, she is one of the legal luminaries who stepped up when the Republicans' traditional, experienced, accomplished, respected election lawyers chose their law licenses over the delusional claims of "stolen election" kooks.
I have encountered her handiwork and . . . nah, I can't feel sorry for these defendants. They seem destined to get what they deserve.
(Before reading the description, try to guess the singer on that one, which is from Flash Fearless Versus the Sorg Women. Clue: I have golfed withhim, and he's about a five handicap, which likely would surprise most of his fans.)
Hyper-partisan renders objective verdict that opinion they disagree with is in bad faith.
If you want to make a case for your position, make it. As of yet, it's just you complaining.
Ginny Thomas is trolling, as the user name makes clear.
I think they believe most of what they're posting, they're just pretty shallow in how much they're willing to get into why they believe what they post.
What? Basically everything that has been cooked up against Trump has been hearsay. You mean that is now considered libel
Oh I get it, claims of voter fraud favoring Joey B is now criminal. Claims of Russian collusion helping Trump not so much.
Not sure you know what criminal means.
I find the case against Project Veritas to be amazingly weak, and am surprised the court allowed it to proceed.
They reported on an issue based on statements from a witness. That's basically exactly what the press does. Now the witness may be liable for damages if he lied about it. But the press? Based on accurately reporting what the witness said?
True there was a recantation, but then he said the recantation was under duress. So...
Someone upthread said that Times v. Sullivan wouldn't apply because the plaintiff is a mere Postmaster, not a major political figure. So I guess the implication is that if you accuse a Postmaster of misconduct you better be sure you're right, but if you accuse the Governor, slander at will! I'm no expert (I don't even play one on TV!), but I'd be surprised -- no, shocked! -- if that were the law.
In a libel lawsuit brought by a public figure, the plaintiff has to prove “actual malice,” which makes it harder but not impossible for public figures to win libel cases. In the ruling being discussed here, the judge didn't decide whether the defendant was a public figure. Instead, he ruled that the case could go forward regardless of whether the defendant is a public figure. So this very case is an example of how you can't slander a public figure “at will” without facing legal liability.
Thanks Kenneth. I think you're right! I HOPE you're right!