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Maryland AG (and Maryland Appellate Court) Acknowledges that Maryland Must Go Shall-Issue After Bruen
From a letter (though not an official opinion) sent today by the Maryland Attorney General to Captain Andrew Rossignol, Commander of the Maryland State Police Licensing Division; you can also read the cited July 1 Maryland appellate court case, In re Rounds:
As explained in more detail below, Maryland's "good and substantial reason" requirement is now clearly unconstitutional, based on controlling Supreme Court precedent that is directly on point. Indeed, the Court of Special Appeals concluded as much just a few days ago in an unreported decision. In re Rounds, No. 1533, Sept. Term, 2021 (Md. Ct. Spec. App. July 1, 2022) (unreported). Thus, the Department is not required to continue enforcing—and, in fact, may not continue to enforce—the "good and substantial reason" requirement in processing public-carry permit applications.
But that conclusion applies only to the "good and substantial reason" requirement. That is, with limited exceptions specifically authorized by law, it remains illegal for an individual to carry, wear, or transport a handgun in public in Maryland without a permit from the Department of State Police. The Department also must continue to enforce all other statutory prerequisites for the issuance of public-carry permits. For example, among other statutory prerequisites, the Department still is prohibited from issuing a permit to an applicant who has been convicted of "a felony or of a misdemeanor for which a sentence of imprisonment for more than 1 year has been imposed," PS § 5-306(a)(2)(i), or who has "exhibited a propensity for violence or instability that may reasonably render the person's possession of a handgun a danger to the person or to another," PS § 5-306(a)(6)(i). In addition, Maryland's laws and regulations prohibiting the carrying of handguns in certain sensitive places—like schools—remain in effect….
Ordinarily, a State agency must comply with the enactments of the General Assembly that govern its conduct…. And only a court, not the Office of the Attorney General, can "invalidate an act of the General Assembly." [But h]ere, the Court of Special Appeals has found that Maryland's "good and substantial reason" requirement is unconstitutional. Although it did so in an unreported decision—which lacks precedential effect—the Department is no longer obligated to enforce the requirement because, as the Court of Special Appeals recognized, the requirement is clearly unconstitutional under controlling Supreme Court precedent. Indeed, when a statutory provision is clearly unconstitutional under controlling Supreme Court case law that is directly on point, the Office of the Attorney General has generally advised that the statutory provision is "unenforceable." Continued enforcement of a clearly unconstitutional statute would also expose State officials to the risk of litigation and individual liability under federal law.
Of course, given that the General Assembly's enactments are presumed to be constitutional, this Office will conclude only in rare cases that a Maryland law is unconstitutional and that it does not need to be enforced. But this is one of those rare cases: the Bruen Court all but explicitly stated that Maryland's "good and substantial reason" requirement is invalid for the same reasons as New York's "proper cause" requirement….
[But] the Department must continue to apply all other requirements governing the qualifications to obtain public-carry permits. For example, among other qualifications, the Department must still deny a permit to an applicant who has "been convicted of a felony or of a misdemeanor for which a sentence of imprisonment for more than 1 year has been imposed," PS § 5-306(a)(2)(i); who has "been convicted of a crime involving the possession, use, or distribution of a controlled dangerous substance," PS § 5-306(a)(3); or who is "an alcoholic, addict, or habitual user of a controlled dangerous substance unless the habitual use of the controlled dangerous substance is under legitimate medical direction," PS § 5-306(a)(4). Similarly, with certain limited exceptions, the Department must still deny a permit to an applicant who has not completed a "firearms training course approved by the Secretary." PS § 5-306(a)(5). And, as another example, the Department must still deny a permit to an individual if, "based on an investigation," the Department finds that the individual has "exhibited a propensity for violence or instability that may reasonably render the person's possession of a handgun a danger to the person or to another." PS § 5-306(a)(6)(i).
It is also worth noting that the Supreme Court's decision does not require the State of Maryland to allow for the public carry of firearms in every type of location in the State, without any limits. Rather, the Court in Bruen explicitly reaffirmed that states may still prohibit carrying firearms in "sensitive places such as schools and government buildings," though it did not "comprehensively define" every location that would (or would not) qualify as a "sensitive place[]."That means that even those individuals with a public-carry permit remain prohibited from carrying firearms in certain sensitive places, such as schools, where doing so is prohibited by law. See, e.g., CL § 4-102(b) ("A person may not carry or possess a firearm … on public school property."); Md. Code Ann., State Gov't § 2-1702(e) (generally prohibiting firearms in State legislative buildings); COMAR 04.05.01.03B (generally prohibiting firearms in State buildings). {To be clear, this is not intended to be a comprehensive list of sensitive-place restrictions under Maryland law.}
Thanks to Ed Shell for the pointer.
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According to Justice Thomas we have had the right to “keep and carry guns” this entire time…is “keep and bear” a superior right to “keep and carry”?? Such a head scratcher. 😉
Are you really going into dishonest hair-splitting just because you fear the street thug and the gangbanger?
I mean, too many people have compelling reasons to fear the street thug and gangbanger.
But they do not let their fear corrupt their morals and ethics.
But the 2A hadn’t been incorporated…so how did individuals have the RKBA in 1857?? Such a head scratcher. 😉
You just enjoy the acoustic resonance from scratching an empty head. It has a pleasing tone, evidently.
Taney was pretty clear…was he not??
Keep and bear isn't superior to keep and carry, they mean identically the same thing.
Taney said whites had the right to carry arms wherever they went—that’s a superior right to what Heller and it’s progeny have given us.
Taney wasn't examining what right the 2nd amendment protected. So it's just an aside rather than a an all encompassing catalog of cans and can'ts.
But the fact Taney listed it as one of the parade of horribles in his fevered imaginings about giving Blacks civil rights, does indicate it was a pretty robust right.
Indeed, he didn't include it expecting to be told that he was nuts.
You might say that the purpose of the 14th amendment was just exactly to make Taney's parade of horribles real. Indeed, the Congressional debate on the amendment was pretty explicit about that: The 14th amendment was supposed to guarantee against the states a VERY robust conception of the rights of citizens.
One so robust that the Slaugherhouse Court couldn't bear to honesty uphold it.
But once the right was extended to non-whites Scalia and Alito and Thomas have made sure to water it down so blacks never enjoy the right that whites enjoyed prior to the 14A!! That makes them just as racist as Taney!
No, Taney was a racist who just wanted to deny those rights to blacks. The modern Court would deny them to everybody without respect to race; That might be bad, but it's not racist.
Thomas knows he can’t deny blacks the full right and so he is just watering it down for everyone…that’s similar to how public pools were just shut down after segregation was declared unconstitutional.
Rest easy Sebastian, Thomas isn't done yet.
Thomas hates Dred Scott because he wishes he was a citizen in a country in which he could own slaves. The Dred Scott hate is so asinine—slavery was legal regardless of Dred Scott!?!
Taney cites specific language from the Constitution when discussing “privileges and immunities”…and yet when referencing guns he apparently lost his copy of the Constitution…or maybe he just lost the amendments. And Justice Thomas referenced it meaning he apparently believes the right existed prior to the 14A which means Heller was not only unnecessary but an inferior right to the one existed when it was limited to whites…that makes Thomas a RACIST!!!!!
Heller should have been unnecessary, McDonald should have been unnecessary, and Bruen should have been unnecessary.
But we all know they were essential to uphold a right to keep and carry arms.
"The tree of liberty must be watered from time to time with appellate court tears."
- Kazinski
Of course "sensitive places" was "loosely defined" and if NY's new law is an idicator of things to come bearing arms and shall issue will be before the Court once again.
Thomas should have simply focused on carrying arms which is apparently a right we have had all along. Such a head scratcher. 😉
It really wasn't loosely defined to anyone with a shred of intellectual honesty. Pointing to courthouses, schools, and legislative assemblies indicates what the court considers "sensitive." The opinion specifically said that New York can't define something as sensitive because people congregate there.
"Consider, for example, Heller’s discussion of “longstanding” “laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings.” 554 U. S., at 626. Although the historical record yields relatively few 18th- and 19th-century “sensitive places” where “sensitive places” in this case, we do think respondents err in their attempt to characterize New York’s proper-cause requirement as a “sensitive-place” law. In their view, “sensitive places” where the government may lawfully disarm
law-abiding citizens include all “places where people typically congregate and where law-enforcement and other
public-safety professionals are presumptively available.”
Brief for Respondents 34. It is true that people sometimes
congregate in “sensitive places,” and it is likewise true that
law enforcement professionals are usually presumptively
available in those locations. But expanding the category of
“sensitive places” simply to all places of public congregation
that are not isolated from law enforcement defines the category of “sensitive places” far too broadly. Respondents’ argument would in effect exempt cities from the Second Amendment and would eviscerate the general right to publicly carry arms for self-defense that we discuss in detail below. See Part III–B, infra. Put simply, there is no historical basis for New York to effectively declare the island of Manhattan a “sensitive place” simply because it is
crowded and protected generally by the New York City Police Department weapons were altogether prohibited—e.g., legislative assemblies, polling places, and courthouses—we are also
aware of no disputes regarding the lawfulness of such prohibitions. See D. Kopel & J. Greenlee, The “Sensitive
Places” Doctrine, 13 Charleston L. Rev. 205, 229–236, 244–
247 (2018); see also Brief for Independent Institute as Amicus Curiae 11–17. We therefore can assume it settled that
these locations were “sensitive places” where arms carrying
could be prohibited consistent with the Second Amendment. And courts can use analogies to those historical regulations of “sensitive places” to determine that modern regulations prohibiting the carry of firearms in new and analogous sensitive places are constitutionally permissible."
The Court is going to have to clarify what constitutes a "sensitive place" sooner or later, and preferably sooner. They show too little appreciation that their judicial minimalism puts people in prison, or at best results in many man-years of exercise of legitimate constitutional rights being unnecessarily infringed.
I'd suggest at a minimum, that in order to be considered a "sensitive place", you have to have controlled entry. Because if you're NOT controlling entry, that pretty conclusively proves that you don't actually regard the place as sensitive, you're just being deliberately obnoxious.
Ideally, the Court would also require provision of gun lockers at the entry to any sensitive place, so that restricting entry won't prevent exercise of the civil liberty elsewhere. Again, if you don't want to bother with this, you must not really care too much.
In the case of the NY law will a first amendment challenge also be raised?
Because if you're NOT controlling entry, that pretty conclusively proves that you don't actually regard the place as sensitive, you're just being deliberately obnoxious.
It doesn't prove shit. There are places where controlling entry is impossible, impractical, or wildly costly.
You're claiming we shouldn't have traffic laws unless there is a cop on every corner handing out tickets.
"You just enjoy the acoustic resonance from scratching an empty head. It has a pleasing tone, evidently."
Could not say it better than this.
You're an idiot. Banning guns in places without controlled entry just means that you don't really care if violence takes place in there, as you're not doing anything to stop it. Traffic laws, for example, against speeding, don't affect anyone who is not speeding. These laws affect non-criminals too. The analogy only works if your goal isn't to reduce violence, but to reduce gun presence on its own. Gun possession on its own, is a constitutional right.
"There are places where controlling entry is impossible, impractical, or wildly costly."
And none of them are 'sensitive'.
So in 1857 we, as whites, had the right to carry arms wherever we went…but because Heller focused on the 2A we know merely have the right to bear arms which can be restricted?!? This is nuts!?! How angry are you right now??
I've been pissed at Scalia since Heller, actually, for just that reason.
Maybe Cruikshank is correct—we had a preexisting RKBA unrelated to the 2A??
The 2nd amendment itself presumes we had a preexisting RKBA; It doesn't create the right, it just directs that it not be infringed.
Obviously the colonial militia involved in the events of Lexington and Concord preceded our independence from the British…2A was a response to those events. Taney didn’t use the term “bear” for a reason because “bear” is used with “arms” in military situations according to corpus linguistics.
Nope, and I linked to an article on corpus linguistics below. The term was used in a military context the majority of the time, but it was nowhere near exclusively military.
I wonder why Taney used the term “carry” and not the language of the 2A?? When citing precedent shouldn’t the judge citing it discuss why a certain word was used when the cite apparently cites the 2A?? Because according to the cite whites had the right to keep and carry arms wherever they went prior to the 14A…inquiring minds would like to know where that right came from when said judge only believes in enumerated rights.
He also referred to "liberty of speech", not "freedom of speech", so I wouldn't read so much into his specific word choices.
The 1A specifically refers to Congress though.
You're just quibbling at this point.
Right because women bear children, and children have arms, and some of them grow up to be in the militia.
And we know when the Magi came bearing gifts, that the gifts must have been guns, because they were "bearing".
Search for "bearing" in the King James Bible . Which was translated 1604-1611 from Latin and Greek to see how bearing was used. It was also, by far,the most widely read book of the founding era, so it's usage in the early 17th century was by no means obsolete.
" I've been pissed at Scalia since Heller, actually, for just that reason. "
Do you consider yourself a suspect with respect to the murder?
What did Heller do?
After Miller had recognized that it was a right to own weapons suitable for military use, Scalia in Heller came up with that "in common use" BS which essentially grandfathered in the results of federal laws that prohibit ownership of non-antique military arms.
That was no accident.
Understood. Very much like the 8th Amendment jurisprudence that whether a punishment is cruel and unusual should be judged based on "contemporary norms," meaning that if 40 states outlaw something, it's unconstitutional for the other 10 to still use it.
More like if the Court had decided in Brown that segregation couldn't be unconstitutional because it had gone on so long, and ignored that it had grown up because the Court was refusing to enforce an amendment that prohibited it.
Scalia grandfathered in a distinction between military and civilian arms that happened only because the Court hadn't been enforcing the 2nd amendment. Prior to the NFA there was no such distinction, and if the Court hadn't pretended not to know about the military uses of short barreled shotguns in Miller, and had properly struck down the NFA, there still wouldn't be such a distinction.
Worse, the "in common use" standard implicitly authorizes governments to stall progress in civilian firearms technology, because no innovation can start out "in common use"; All they have to do is nip each new development in the bud.
Miller used the 'common use' test which Scalia adopted in Heller, you've got it completely backwards.
From Miller:
"Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment"
"And further, that ordinarily when called for service these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time."
Also see the history of "dangerous and unusual", which also far predates Heller.
Yeah, Miller asked if it was part of ordinary military equipment, Scalia asked if it was ordinarily owned by civilians. The answer to those two questions didn't diverge until the federal government got into the gun control game in the early 20th century.
Read that second paragraph from Miller again.
You are nearing Sebastian levels on tenaciousness if you can assert that despite Miller stating: "supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.", that "Scalia in Heller came up with that "in common use" BS".
BS it may be, but it came from Miller, not Scalia.
Also, I will repeat, that bans on "dangerous and unusual" weapons predates even the 2nd, and what's the opposite of unusual?
Common.
Read the whole thing: The arms in common use at the time were assumed to be suitable for militia purposes. The Miller Court upheld the NSA because nobody gave them notice that the banned guns were suitable for military purposes.
Prior to the NSA, the arms in common use at the time would have been suitable for military purposes, because the government hadn't previously tried to keep citizens from owning military weapons.
So it all comes together: If the government can't stop people from owning military arms, the arms in common use will be the arms needed when forming a militia.
Exactly right Brett, Miller's holding, not Scalia in Heller.
"That was no accident."
Scalia needed to insert it to placate Kennedy.
According to your circular definition.
What the hell does "sensitive" mean?
A place where there is special danger of violence erupting, or something like that?
What what in the butt??
You're claiming we shouldn't have traffic laws unless there is a cop on every corner handing out tickets.
FFS. Don't you ever tire of proving yourself to be a moron of the highest (lowest?) order?
"There are places where controlling entry is impossible, impractical, or wildly costly."
If the government's only proposed 'solution' to the 'problem' you claim about somewhere being "impossible, impractical, or wildly costly" is to remove my Constitutional rights, then the area in question is clearly not sensitive enough to justify such a restriction.
It makes sense though that you'd support such an idea. It's what Democrats do regarding guns, and it's a lazy argument that's as hostile to the 2A as possible.
I agree "controlling entry" is a good start; however, as always definitions are important.
Entry to subway stations, buses, public museums, etc., are "controlled" entry points.
There's a big iron fence around Central Park with 18 main entrances, which could easily be "controlled."
This will play out over the next decade.
By "controlled" I mean with metal detectors and security. If someone can just waltz in, it's not "controlled."
Right, the mere existence of a bottleneck does not make an area "controlled", you have to actively restrict entry to people who have been inspected in some manner. I suppose you could place a line of metal detectors at the subway turnstiles, with cops posted to prevent turnstile jumping.
But even that would be Constitutionally problematic, as it would mean that nearly all residents of New York City would not be able to carry ever.
Indeed it would be. But I bet they'd try it if the Court requires metal detectors and security; They're that hostile to the right.
Let's pay for that with a tax on guns.
So law abiding white people should have to pay a tax on guns to pay for black gun violence, which is 95% of it in NYC?
Ride the subway a lot, do you?
As long as we’re taxing civil rights, let’s pay with it with a tax on voting.
That would be very specifically unconstitutional.
Anyway, you miss my point, which is that Brett's "standard" for sensitive places is designed - not accidentally - to prevent certain places from being so designated.
Brett is a determined anti-urban bigot. He dislikes everything about cities, including the people who live there, and wants to make urban life as difficult as possible, and restrict urban political power drastically. Never mind that that's where people live.
It's designed to prevent any place the government does not itself secure from being designated as "sensitive". If the government is going to take away your right to the means to defend yourself, it must defend you itself.
But if the government demands you relinquish the means to defend yourself, while itself not lifting a finger to substitute its own efforts, it has demonstrate its aim: To leave you defenseless.
And that's an aim the 2nd amendment precludes being legitimate.
It's designed to prevent any place the government does not itself secure from being designated as "sensitive". If the government is going to take away your right to the means to defend yourself, it must defend you itself.
Yeah. It's stupid. Tell us what you think "sensitive" means, and why it automatically excludes places that are impractical to secure.
Because that's what you're after.
If we're going to assign bad faith to others:
Bernard, all you're after is to designate anywhere that has people, and is considered 'public,' to be "sensitive" so that otherwise peaceful citizens can't exercise fundamental rights you don't like.
See how easy that is? You're just as disingenuous as you claim Brett is.
Jason,
I'm just asking for a definition of "sensitive spaces" that doesn't automatically exclude spaces that are common in urban environments.
Brett's approach seems designed to prevent any such definition that includes places the actual local government/people regards as sensitive.
Just because something is 'urban' does not make it a sensitive place.
I live in Colorado. We have open carry without permits, or concealed carry with permits. We also have a lot of urban areas.
Inside of urban areas, the rules are precisely the same as elsewhere. Your understanding of what should constitute a 'sensitive' area is not supported by the laws or history of such designations.
Despite the fact that Colorado has not gone out of its way to demonize gun-carrying citizens, we do not have a problem with areas not being designated as 'sensitive' unnecessarily.
Your approach comes from being hostile to the 2A. You might not want to admit it, but it's pretty plainly obvious.
If the government is not taking active steps to ensure your safety somewhere with security screenings and armed personnel, then the area is not 'sensitive' enough to warrant the prohibition of constitutional rights.
I tentatively agree with Brett on this issue.
Not providing metal detectors and x-ray machines is not equivalent to "not lifting a finger."
Well I used to ride the Seattle Metro Light rail under 3rd st. almost everyday, if I was carrying when I went to happy hour down around Pike and Pine, I'd have to sit in the restaurant section, because the bar are was "sensitive".
That’s why I don’t go to the gym because I can’t carry my handgun…or at least that’s how I rationalize not working out. 😉
Get a .50 BMG; It's due purpose in that regard.
Can you carry it in the showers??
Sure, if you get a stainless steel and aluminum model.
"Is that a Barrett M82, or are you just happy to see me?"
I guess you would have to open carry…or conceal it in a sensitive place! 😉
I'd go with a shoulder scabbard.
Brett, your "ideally" should actually be a sine qua non. Otherwise people end up being disarmed for the entirety of their journeys to and from the "sensitive" place.
WA state law is actually pretty good regarding this aspect as it applies to court facilities; it just needs some more teeth regarding effective and citizen-friendly implementation to discourage those officials who would obstruct the spirit of the law.
I wonder how many existing CCL holders will get caught up in the new laws that have passed or are being proposed?
Wow, those "D.C. Snipers" were breaking all sorts of laws!
Frank "There oughta be a law against 1st Degree Murder!"
According to Thomas whites had the right to carry arms everywhere in 1857…so Heller and McDonald and Bruen have actually taken away our right to “carry arms wherever” we go and replaced it with bear arms which can be restricted any number of ways. I really fucking hate Scalia and Alito and Thomas right now!!
Wow, for once you actually make a sensible point.
Yes, the Court has taken the right the 2nd amendment actually guaranteed, and substantially contracted it in multiple ways. Not as much as the anti-gunners would like, but they're not at this point open to just not violating the right, it's a right that scares them too much to entirely uphold.
Except how can Taney be referring to the 2A in 1857 when the 14A didn’t exist?? Did the 2A apply to individuals in states prior to the 14A??
And another sensible point. You must be having a good day.
Indeed, it was agreed from the start that the 1st amendment didn't apply to the states, thanks to that "Congress shall make no law" language, but that the rest of the amendments didn't apply to the states was a matter of controversy, which the 14th amendment was intended to conclusively resolve. Courts sometimes came down on one side of that or the other.
Mind, Taney likely came down on the 'did apply" side of that argument just to buff his parade of horribles, (Second paragraph, pg 58.) but he didn't invent the notion.
People hate Taney because of Dred Scott (like a bunch of words on a piece of paper is somehow worse than slavery or the Civil War) but he was actually a very good lawyer/judge/justice…so why would he use “carry” instead of “bear”?? And didn’t the corpus linguistics or whatever the f determine that “bear” was used with respect to military situations?? Maybe Taney used carry because he wasn’t referencing the 2A??
All corpus linguistics established is that, yes, "bear arms" was used in a military context, but no, not JUST in a military context. That latter was a bit of a fraud Scalia rightfully called Stevens out on, IIRC.
So why didn’t Taney use the the language from the 2A?? Didn’t Taney cite specific language for privileges and immunities and yet he didn’t cite the 2A when referencing arms.
Why should he have said "bear", when "carry" meant the same thing? You're missing that Taney also said "liberty" of speech, not "freedom" of speech, to "hold public meetings", not to "assemble". Do you think those references weren't to freedom of speech and of assembly?
He didn't feel obligated to use the exact words the Constitution had used, he was content to use words with the same meaning.
Once again, 1A specifically refers to Congress. Here is the passage from Dred Scott:
“and it would give them the full liberty of speech in public and in private upon all subjects upon which its own citizens might speak; to hold public meetings upon political affairs, and to keep and carry arms wherever they went.”
First off, “liberty” does make more sense than “freedom” in that sentence even though they are generally interchangeably synonyms. And one can infer that states can restrict speech in that sentence.
Bear means to carry, and carry means to bear.
If JFK had said: "we shall pay any price, [carry]
bearany burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty." would there have been columns in the newspaper the next day headlined 'JFK said "Carry" instead of "Bear", does that signal an escalation in the Cold War?'You are just being ridiculous.
Justices are known to not choose their words wisely. 😉
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So when will shall not be infringed become shall issue in all the states.
(does this include US territories?)
Last time I checked, some of the territories were actually infringing the 2nd amendment less than your average state.
According to Heller the 2A was drafted as an individual right specifically for citizens in DC and federal territories. The reality is the 2A was a federalism provision designed to prevent another event like Lexington and Concord when the British attempted to capture a central store of a colonial militia’s arms.
"According to Heller the 2A was drafted as an individual right specifically for citizens in DC and federal territories."
You will find nothing in Heller to support your favorite obsession.
If it is an individual right that didn’t apply to the states then who was it drafted for??
Well Heller never said it didn't apply to the states. All Heller said was that it applies to DC, because it was the DC law that was being contested.
If Scalia thought it only applied to DC and federal territories he would have dissented in McDonald.
But McDonald exists…so that means prior to the 14A the 2A apparently only applied to DC and federal territories. Holy shit—you just helped me win this argument! Heller concerns gun rights in DC and then McDonald was necessary to get it to the states which means it did only apply to DC and federal territories prior to the 14A!!! Thank you!!
No, that's not what it means.
New York: Blow me.
Yet another incisive pro-gun argument.
Yet another incisive pro-gun argument.
I don't know. It lacks the convincing subtlety of your brilliant "Fuck you" retorts.
Heh.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/07/highland-park-shooting-aftermath-guns-freedoms-public-life.html
Guns, trumpeted by several professors in this group and celebrated by the many 2nd amendment absolutist posters, are doing more than killing people. They are destroying our public, civic life.
No. Leftists have created these monster young men, not us.