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[UPDATED] Ninth Circuit Panel Sends California "Assault Weapons" Ban Challenge Back to District Court,
so the District Court can reconsider it in light of the Supreme Court's new Bruen precedent.
[UPDATE: When I first posted this, I completely neglected Judge Bumatay's dissent; my apology for this—I've added it as an UPDATE below.]
That's today's order from Judges Andrew Hurwitz, Daniel Bress, and Patrick Bumatay:
The district court's judgment is vacated, and this case is remanded to the district court for further proceedings consistent with the United States Supreme Court's decision in New York State Rifle & Pistol Ass'n, Inc. v. Bruen, 597 U.S. ____ (2022).
The parties shall bear their own attorney's fees, costs, and expenses. This order constitutes the mandate of this court.
VACATED AND REMANDED.
Pretty standard procedure, when a new court decision clearly changes the legal landscape—and the landscape has sharply changed, given that the lower court decision upheld the ban under so-called "intermediate scrutiny," and the Court in Bruen rejected that sort of approach (for all gun regulations, not just gun carry regulations). The Ninth Circuit panel could have just applied Bruen instead, but it didn't have to, and often panels do leave the matter for the court to reconsider in the first instance.
One question for the district judge on remand, of course, would be whether so-called "assault weapons" are indeed "dangerous and unusual," or whether they are instead in sufficiently "common use" that they aren't unusual (though, like all guns, they are dangerous). Another question might be—the matter is unclear—whether such bans might be upheld on the theory that they don't impose a material "burden on the right of armed self-defense" or "prevent 'law-abiding, responsible citizens' from exercising their Second Amendment right to public carry [and to private gun possession]." Hard to tell for certain what the result will be, and of course once the district court reconsiders the case, it will likely go back up to the Ninth Circuit.
UPDATE: Judge Bumatay, however, dissented, writing:
For over a decade, our court has improperly interest-balanced our way around the Second Amendment. The Supreme Court has had enough of it. See N.Y. State Rifle & Pistol Ass'n, Inc. v. Bruen (U.S. June 23, 2022). With a clear legal standard now in hand, we should have ordered supplemental briefing to further this case along. Instead, we instinctively kick the can back to the district court. And we do so without the benefit of the parties' position on whether our three-judge panel could have directly resolved this case based on Bruen.
A remand here may just prolong the inevitable as we will eventually have to decide this case—adding unnecessary delays and expenses for the parties. At the very least, we should have given the parties a chance to let us know where they stand on the question of remand. I thus respectfully dissent from vacating and remanding this matter.
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Doesn't matter. At the time of the framing there were only blunderbusses, knives and clubs. There is no history of assault rifles. There is no mention of them in the Constitution.
Fail. Retake American history.
That's either a really lame and tame parody, or a really lame and tame been-there-done-that argument dredged up from the time of Pharaoh.
Please try better. Commenters like to know on which side their rage should be centered.
At the time of the framing there were only blunderbusses, knives and clubs.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people manage to make it to adulthood (chronologically, at least) without having learned that ignorance of the sort on display above is a piss-poor basis for commentary.
Or I could rise to the bait appropriately and say your list of 1791 arms left out bayonets, and most current US legal "definitions" of assault weapons include a bayonet lug, thus they are specifically included in the catalog of militia weapons, because how else can one bear a bayonet?
So there!
I'm sure there were multi-discharge slingshots. We could make an exhaustive list... but high-capacity assault rifles won't be on it
The Italian air gun was, multi-shot, fast cycle time.
There was the puckle gun too, and duck's feet.
And if you really want to pretend to be serious, so shall I. Stop using this internet; it wasn't around in 1791. Nor were powered rotary presses, laser or dot matrix or chain printers, mimeograph machines, or typewriters.
The Italian air gun was, multi-shot, fast cycle time.
Yep, the Girandoni air rifle, with a 30-round tubular magazine, the ability to load a new round by simply pulling the transverse chamber bar (which could be done while prone)...and effective out to ~125 yds. Oh, and in use by the Austrian army as of 1780.
There was the puckle gun too
Which was actually referred to as a "machine gun" on a shipping manifest in 1722.
hobie is an idiot.
Well Lewis and Clark had a 15 shot rifle that was powerful enough to take an elk. That was in 1804.
Well Lewis and Clark had a 15 shot rifle that was powerful enough to take an elk. That was in 1804.
L&C had a Girandoni, which was a 30-shot air rifle. And it was in service with a major military (the Austrian army) 24 years before that (1780).
No one has refuted you. Notice that?
I did: bayonets. He left off bayonets.
And this comment refutes yours!
Just follow the dictates of Dobbs, dude. We'll have these pesky assault rifles out of our hair
Dobbs?!? Are you trying to abort this thread about Bruen?
Fie! I mean, Fire!
Yeah... I noticed. It's like old SB8. It's a pretzel of a legal maze they got themselves into with the overreach. Now they have to square all the modern rights they enjoy with what was happening in the eighteen hundreds
No one has refuted you. Notice that?
LOL! Have you ever...even once in your miserable existence...EVER said anything that wasn't pants-on-head stupid?
You gentlemen want to live by the Dobbs sword then you will also die by it. Let's see if your slingshots pass the two-part Dobbs test
Two part abortions? That sounds pretty sick, even for an abortion love.
It's very simple, ABC. Is your semiautomatic assault rifle rooted in American history (that's part one ...just helping you out here)? And is it specifically mentioned in the Constitution (that's part two)?
Ah, there, that's definitive, yes, you are an idiot. Dobbs is the abortion decision, Bruen is the guns decision.
All of us wish you were as clever as you think you are.
Is your semiautomatic assault rifle rooted in American history
A firearm effective for both personal use (self-defense, target practice, hunting...yes, hunting) and militia service? Absolutely, yes.
And is it specifically mentioned in the Constitution
As a member of the set "arms", which is specifically mentioned in the U.S. Constitution, yes.
You really suck at this...and, I'd wager, at life in general.
Fine. As A AB... pointed out, bayonets are rooted in American history and RKBA is specifically mentioned in the Constitution.
You know what else in private ownership is rooted in American history and is included in RKBA? Privateers with 24 pounder cannon.
So even if we take your spurious logic (which no one serious would do) then semiautomatic weapons can be prohibited but cannon are not. Do you really think this is an improvement?
The Ninth Amendment is a hell of a thing. Abortion couldn't pass it. I doubt bump stocks would. High cap mags? Doubtful
You boys can issue pejoratives at me all you want. But it doesn't erase the fact that to avoid offending the Constitution, an act or a right or a thing has to be rooted in US history and has to be enumerated. That's the law of the land now...for everything
I think you may need to reread Dobbs. Your final "and" should be an "or".
It shouldn't take the 9th amendment to invalidate the bump stock ban. All it should take is minimal reading comprehension: It was a gross and deliberate misreading of the statute.
You boys can issue pejoratives at me all you want.
Well, to be fair, you do go out of your way to earn them. For example...
to avoid offending the Constitution, an act or a right or a thing has to be rooted in US history and has to be enumerated
Perhaps re-watching the Conjunction Junction episode of the old Schoolhouse Rock animated elementary education series would help you to learn the difference between "and" vs "or".
Exactly. It's enumerated.
The anti-indivdual rights crowd keeps harping on the militia, but the idea that there is an individual right to own weapons suitable to the militia engenders just one consistent response:
'RHEEEE!'
Your mistake is thinking that 'arms' referred to a specific list of weapon models.
It didn't. It doesn't. It won't.
Arms refer to what the framers thought of them at the time. Have you read Dobbs including the concurrences?
Yes, and as Heller explained, at the time they thoughts arms were “any thing that a man wears for his defence, or takes into his hands, or useth in wrath to cast at or strike another.”
Are we done here?
Yes, and as Heller explained, at the time they thoughts arms were “any thing that a man wears for his defence, or takes into his hands, or useth in wrath to cast at or strike another.”
Also...
"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American."
Are you still confusing Dobbs and Bruen?
What else are you confused about?
Commentary from moronic shills (this includes you by the way fucktard) needs nothing more than illumination that it's commentary from moronic fucktard shills.
Is that a serious argument? Really?
At the time of the founding there was only written and verbal communication. None of our technology existed. So none of your phone, text, email conversations are protected from search and seizure. Texts and telephones and emails aren’t specifically mentioned in the constitution.
Bevis, that's right. And nothing will happen with your phone as long as no state tries to ban them. But if they do....is that phone gonna pass the Dobbs two-part test?
Heck, it won't even pass the hobie zero-part test under Dobbs.
So you're unfamiliar with the legal precedents that included wiretapping under the Fourth Amendment's unreasonable search/warrant protections?
At the time of the framing, there was no internet, nor word processors, nor typewriters. Therefore, the First Amendment does not protect any expression on such technology.
And swords and spears and cannons (which were legal for private citizens to own) and this: Girardoni air rifle
Actually there is mention of them in the Constitution. It's a little bit obtuse but, it is there.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
The "militia" is meant to augment the Standing Military during times of conflict. It only makes sense that the "militia" has the capability to do so. With that being said, there a case can be made for civilians to own military grade firepower.
Proof that there were assault rifles used in the Colonial Period:
https://langea.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2014/08/MinuteMan.jpg
There's no mention of radio waves or Internet in the Constitution, either, so I suppose a politician could order you to shut up except when on a soap box in the square, handing out pamplets from a Gutenberg press.
Which, by the way, Mr. National Review rather looked fondly on as an argument.
While there appear to be two choices on how to take your post;
1, You're an ignoramus, with a room temperature IQ, or
2, You're nothing more than a whore, paid to shill a line of bullshit propaganda that's been swept out the door by SCOTUS in more than one decision, there's really only one choice; number 2.
Just to elucidate, from Heller:
Some have made the argument, bordering on the frivolous, that only those arms in existence in the 18th century are protected by the Second Amendment. We do not interpret constitutional rights that way. Just as the First Amendment protects modern forms of communications, e.g., Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U. S. 844, 849 (1997) , and the Fourth Amendment applies to modern forms of search, e.g., Kyllo v. United States, 533 U. S. 27, 35–36 (2001) , the Second Amendment extends, prima facie,to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding.
Wrong. 1. The Lorenzoni Repeating Flintlock(1688). 2. The Chelembrom Repeating Flintlock, a modified and improved Lorenzoni. 3. The Giarondoni Repeating Air Rifle(1779). 4. The Belton Rifle(1758). 5. The Puckle Gun(1718). 6. The Nock Volley Gun(1779). So, hobie, The Founding Fathers were well aware of firearms in existence at the time the Second Amendment was proposed, adopted, and ratified. They knew there would be improvements and advancement in firearms technology. The Second Amendment is a Right not subject to technological, nor engineering capabilities limited specifically to that day when ratified. So you can take your blunderbuss and sit on it.
So, here we go again. Start the calliope ; more briefs, more argument and possibly more appeals. Nothing ever seems to be really decided.
Don't worry, clinger. The culture war has been decided. Not quite over -- as evidenced by the recent rally for conservatives delivered by the Supreme Court as it contemplates its expansion -- but the culture war has been settled.
The good guys have won, thank goodness.
..and yet another living argument against legalized drugs.
Rev, Rev, Rev. Where did you go to law school? Try to be more lawyerly.
Another win for the clingers.
https://law.udc.edu/
ain't been no Klinger's around in Centurie's Jerry,
that's what happens when you be away doin' hard time (and "Bubba")
The fuckhead troll rises again to show off just how much of a moron he is.
Look what litigation got you in the past seven days, Mr Bumble. I'd think you'd relish the process
Please, please take your meds.
None of the right-wing cowards who operate this white, male, right-wing blog have anything to say about today's hearing?
Nothing to say about Pat Cipollone's or Mark Meadows' cowardice or John Eastman's or Jeffrey Clark's un-American conduct?
Not one of you?
What a bunch of sissies.
Nothing is going to come of the hearings. Democrats do not know how to fight back and certainly don't know how to return fire.
I listened to every word. Criminality has already been well established. I'm just waiting to see who the 'Republican Congressmen' are
There's a name for public trials with prosecutors only, no defense, and judges being the chief prosecutor.
Show trials.
So I guess they are not showing facts and the witnesses are lying under oath? I mean, help me understand, ABC.
The January 6th Star chamber seems to be lying, yes: https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/27/exclusive-former-white-house-staffer-confirms-jan-6-committee-lied-about-doj-attorney/
Michael P, if you think I'm going to read something from the Federlist you must be delusional. Damn that's weak, bro. Ain't there something neutral you could quote such as NPR or, hell, Yahoo or just any aggregator?
I can lead a horse to water, but a horse's ass will never drink. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/06/today-at-the-show-trial.php
Powerline is in the same Q sphere...anything else? I'm waiting
https://ia601509.us.archive.org/9/items/ken-klukowski-public-statement-of-6-25-22/Ken%20Klukowski%20Public%20Statement%20of%206-25-22.pdf
And https://twitter.com/GabbyOrr_/status/1541940680716599298 for one of many Tweets alleging that today's star witness's "bombshell" testimony was fiction.
Heh...the title of this article that not surprisingly does not resolve to its domain:
"Response of Ken Klukowski to January 6 Committee"
An interesting character. And you mention him...why?
Another factual discrepancy from yesterday's testimony: https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-white-house-attorney-disputes-cassidy-hutchinsons-testimony/story?id=85898838
Heh...the title of this article that not surprisingly does not resolve to its domain:
I have no idea what that gibberish is supposed to mean.
"Response of Ken Klukowski to January 6 Committee"
An interesting character. And you mention him...why?
Uh...because he's the former DOJ attorney that is the subject of this sub-thread and what you asked about, you mouth-breathing, window-licking moron.
Waiting for a clue-by-four to smack you upside the head, obviously.
You know Michael P, I used to respect you because you had very thought out smart answers, but lately it's this juvenile crap like above. Fine. I know you're drunk, but that doesn't make a difference now. I victimize people who cannot moderate themselves
hobie, the only juvenile things here are your tendencies to ask questions the same questions repeatedly and to reject evidence without even looking at it. So projecting.
Claiming Powerline is in the Q-sphere is beyond ridiculous. These guys are old school establishment Lawyers that were liberal Dems when the graduated from Dartmouth in the late 70's. And one Ivy league law school or another a few years later.
Here's John Hindiracker's bio although all of the look pretty much the same:
"He spent 41 years as a litigator with Faegre & Benson and its successor Faegre Baker Daniels, during which time he tried 100 jury cases and appeared in courts in 19 states. Upon his retirement from the legal profession at the end of 2015, he became president of the Center of the American Experiment. John has had a long association with the Center, including co-authoring several papers published by the Center and serving on the organization’s Board of Directors. John was Chairman of the Center’s board in 1998-2000.
In addition to his legal career, John is a long-time commentator and activist. He founded the web site Power Line in 2002 and has been a prominent voice on the internet and elsewhere since that time. He has appeared as a commentator on NBC, CBS, Fox News, CNN, CNBC and Sky News Australia, "
They get called RINOs all the time because they aren't sufficiently MAGA.
Their archives go way back, even before the helped but Dan Rather for "Rathergate", which was too much for even CBS to countance. So show me just one post that is Q-friendly.
Read what you linked: In response to Herschmann's claim, a spokesperson for the Jan. 6 committee said, "The committee has done its diligence on this and found Ms. Hutchinson's account of this matter credible. While we understand that she and Mr. Herschmann may have differing recollections of who wrote the note, what’s ultimately important is that both White House officials believed that the President should have immediately instructed his supporters to leave the Capitol building."
Trump attorney has an ass-covering quibble with testimony that makes him look bad. Not exactly a smoking gun.
Trump attorney has an ass-covering quibble with testimony that makes him look bad. Not exactly a smoking gun.
LOL! Good lord, but you really suck at this.
As usual, you don't engage only insult.
NPR and Yahoo make the National Enquirer look competent.
Another win for the clingers.
Not one of the cowardly wingnuts who operate this male, right-wing blog is fit to carry Cassidy Hutchinson's purse.
Their bigoted fans are worse.
Still no problem replacement won't solve, though.
You are about to get your clock cleaned in November. What culture war you think you are winning?
I've got him muted, but boy I know who you are replying to.
He can cast homophobic slurs at random commenters and politicians he doesn't like.
That's the culture war victory he is celebrating.
He can have it.
I'll give you that one, Jerry/"Arthur" Sandusky/Kirtland,
No one's better at carrying a Purse than you.
Might want to do that on the "Down Low" during your "Sabbatical" at
https://www.cor.pa.gov/Facilities/StatePrisons/Pages/Greene.aspx
Frank "Don't pick up the Soap"
Revvie. I really enjoy the Jan 6 hearings. The reptile like delviery of the committee, the vile feminists, the America hating turncoats. The Stalin show trial procedure with no dissent allowed, not cross examination, no rebuttals.
The result is intense hatred of the Democrat Party. This is a $billion worth of advertising for the Republican Party.
"What a bunch of sissies"
Fellas, find you women that love you the way Rev Artie loves bigoted and homophobic language .
Well, you're the king/queen of the Sissies at https://www.cor.pa.gov/Facilities/StatePrisons/Pages/Greene.aspx
Jerry
Political Kabuki Theater.
What is the purpose of the 2nd Amendment?
They might be “dangerous and unusual” for individual personal defense.
But they would be quite common for a mililitia.
Well now, pretty hard to be both unusual and common at the same time.
Obviously, he believes militias are never called to defend anyone or anything or any place. Their arms are somehow only helpful for attack, not for defense.
I have heard it said: "'The best defense is a good offense' -- you know who said that? Mel, the cook on Alice!"
They might be “dangerous and unusual” for individual personal defense.
And yet they are neither.
Well I did have an epiphany about US v Miller recently, that of course allowed the NFA to outlaw sawed off shotguns. The Miller court of course took a myopically narrow textual view of the 2nd that said only weapons common to the militia were protected for an individual right to keep and bear arms.
That seems to sell the utility of sawed off shotguns short, but imagining a local militia assembling: armed mostly with deer rifles effective fot at least a few hundred yards, I can imagine the local commander thinking what am I going to do with the idiot with the sawed off that isn't going to hit anything further than 50 feet?
However Scalia looked a little further into the history, and showed that the 2nd was also protecting a pre-existing common law right to arms for self defense.
The 1st Congress of course started with that assumption and added the militia clause to explain why they thought the right to bear arms was important from their viewpoint, too. The Miller court didn't look deeper than the text and missed the history.
As Bruen explained, history can't narrow the text, it can only expand it.
That seems to sell the utility of sawed off shotguns short, but imagining a local militia assembling: armed mostly with deer rifles effective fot at least a few hundred yards, I can imagine the local commander thinking what am I going to do with the idiot with the sawed off that isn't going to hit anything further than 50 feet?
Not if that commander was tasked with leading any door-to-door clearing missions involving CQB, where short-barreled shotguns can be quite useful, which is why they were in use by the military even when Miller was decided, and well before...regardless of the failure of Miller's attorneys to present that evidence.
The procedural games played by the judiciary in Miller's case are quite notable. Would today's Court consider any case where the appellee is nor represented, much less where the appellee's counsel suggests that arrangement?
"...US v Miller recently, that of course allowed the NFA to outlaw sawed off shotguns..."
Technically the NFA does not outlaw "sawed off" shotguns. It outlaws short barreled shot guns. It does not matter if you cut down the barrel of a shot gun manufactured with a legal length barrel or you find a shot gun manufactured with too short of a barrel. Both are equally illegal.
However, there is a quirk to this. The way the NFA defines shotgun explicitly includes/requires a shoulder stock. So if a manufacturer makes a "shotgun" with a short barrel, a pistol grip and no shoulder stock, it is legally a pistol not a shotgun and is thus legal because it is not subject to the minimum barrel length for shotguns.
On the other hand, cutting the shoulder stock off a shotgun manufactured with one does not legally transform it into a pistol.
You should hope you paymasters don't pay a lot of attention to your work for them. Such lousy performance might get you fired.
The AR-15 is the most popular rifle being manufactured today. With about 20 million in use. How could that not qualify as in general use for self defense and other legal purposes? And that does not include the number of semi auto AK-47 in use.
Rooted in history?
Rooted in history?
Already answered in the affirmative.
My kids learned that it didn't help to keep asking the same question, in hopes of getting a different answer, when they were about five years old. Hm.
"Six times in Dobbs—on pages 32, 37, 38, 49, 66, and 71—the Court swears that the “potential life” principle" ...but there is no mention in the Constitution of an asserted interest of the state to protect "potential life". In other words, the Dobbs court made it up
Just like you boys are imagining there is an unenumerated right to military firearms. Doesn't say as much in the C
Who has ever suggested that there is "an unenumerated right to military firearms"?
Uh, you guys suggested it. I'm still waiting for anyone to tell me where modern rifles (as opposed to the ones at the time of the framing) are mentioned somewhere
The arms mentioned in the Second Amendment aren't limited to the arms that were already around at the time, any more than the juries mentioned in the Sixth and Seventh Amendments can only be selected from the citizenry of 1791.
It's not unenumerated, it's numeral 2.
The "arms" of the 2nd amendment are just standard issue military equipment, Tench Coxe's "every terrible implement of the soldier". The government defines them by what it equips its own soldiers with.
If they don't want select fire rifles to be protected by the 2nd amendment, that's easy enough: They stop issuing them to the military.
Uh, you guys suggested it. I'm still waiting for anyone to tell me where modern rifles (as opposed to the ones at the time of the framing) are mentioned somewhere
You're not waiting for any such thing, as you've been provided with that information multiple times...you lying dipshit.
Dobbs again! Will you never learn? You've shown the answer in all your comments.
It's Bruen, you dolt!
"Six times in Dobbs—on pages 32, 37, 38, 49, 66, and 71—the Court swears that the “potential life” principle" ...but there is no mention in the Constitution of an asserted interest of the state to protect "potential life". In other words, the Dobbs court made it up
So you failed grade school biology as well. The entity in question is not "potential life". It is very much alive (and a human life to boot), in every biological sense of the word. "Potential life" is the argument of morons.
Try reading the 10th amendment some time.
Thus, the states are not limited to enumerated powers like the federal government and have powers and legitimate interests not explicitly detailed in the US Constitution.
Well let's not forget the prefatory clause:
'A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state...'
I can't think of a worse way to preserve a country than to restrict your last line of defense to muskets.
That's the problem with gun grabbers and their 'look a squirrel' arguments, to mix a metaphor they are surrounded by trees, but can't see the forest, they only see squirrels.
They vacillate between it only protects the right to be armed in a militia, and they can only possess arms that would be useless in a militia.
Or at least some are more honest like Justice Breyer and say: there a lot of things more important than the constitution, despite my job being to uphold the constitution above all other things.
"That's an anachronism and could not stand against modern armOMG WE NEED TO SEND RIFLES TO UKRAINE THEY BEG US THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH GUNS we are full of ourselves, knowing it is Ukraine and not The Ukraineeed to ban it in the US."
I'm not sure that's the real test after Bruen. All things are rare when first introduced and only (maybe) become common over time. Thomas clearly states in Bruen that weapons developed since the founding are protected by the second amendment. The definitions for "common use" and "dangerous and unusual" cannot be understood in such a way that they would have allowed banning, say, lever action rifles the moment the patent was filed on grounds that they were dangerous and unusual and not in common use because there were only a couple prototypes.
I think any legitimate understanding of the terms is going to essentially lump essentially all weapons that accurately place metallic projectiles at distance are "in common use" and that "dangerous and unusual" indicates that they are not fit for the typical purpose individuals keep weapons for, such as defense of self or others inside or outside the home, hunting, use if called up to be part of a militia, or other historical purposes. That sort of interpretation means essentially all slug throwers would be protected but things like an RPG, where you can't fire one inside your house without risking inadvertently killing yourself or a family member, are subject to regulation as "dangerous and unusual".
Are we allowed suitcase nukes and weaponised anthrax? Biological weapons are unambigously within the scope of 2A because they were known at the time of the BoR.
Individuals that desire such things, and can afford them, may well already have them.
Possession isn't the issue, use is. Right now, Dr. Evil can be brewing up aerosolized anthrax or ebola in his basement. Someone with Bill Gates money could likely get a former soviet nuke, and have it refurbished to the point it might actually work (with more than 30 years since the dissolution of the SU, the tritium in the pits will have decayed to helium, which will actively inhibit the nuclear detonation process - Tritium has a half life of 12 years so more than 75% of the tritium has decayed). Tritium is expensive to get and difficult to work with.
Keep in mind that the British march on Concord wasn't to get rifles off the street, it was to get the assault weapons of the day, cannon, and more importantly cannon balls. The founders were well aware of that when they wrote the BoR.
I'm slightly confused, but maybe this Rupp v Bonta where the district judge did no more than grant the CA AG's motion for summary judgement and upheld CA's AWB. Tough day at the office.
But also pending before another 3 judge panel is Miller v Bonta where judge Benitez also went through the two step charade, but found even under intermediate scrutiny California's ban couldn't meet the intermediate standard because they made no effort to tailor the ban to be the least restrictive means to achieve their objective. Which isn't surprising because the ban was pre-Heller, and they thought they could do anything they wanted.
Perhaps Benitez can DM the Rupp judge a copy of his opinion, and tell him go ahead use whatever you want.
re: " like all guns, they are dangerous"
That is not the definition of 'dangerous' applicable in the phrase "dangerous and unusual".
"Dangerous" like Maverick in Top Gun???
If I didn't know better I'd bet the Gun-Grabbers own lots of Gun-Stock, don't they realize (Probably not, they aren't that smart) that 40 years of threatening (and sometimes succeeding) Gun Bans, Registration, calling them "Killing Machines" is a big reason there's (at least) 400 million privately owned guns.
Frank
Indeed. Arms were protected by the founders precisely because they were dangerous. To use the fact that guns are dangerous as a justification for reading the 2nd Amendment out of the Constitution is thus illogical
Looks like we have California's response to Bruen.
Massive Trove of Gun Owners’ Private Information Leaked by California Attorney General
Kind of petty, but now they can outsource their gun owner harassment to 'private vendors', while at the same time discouraging people from applying for the permits.
California has a long track record in recent years of these sorts of convenient 'accidental leaks'.
At some point it started looking like a conspiracy against rights. When will the federal DOJ investigate this serious potential crime?
2025 at the earliest.
Assault Weapons is the cousin of Hate Speech. Both are statutory attempts to circumvent an enumerated right.
Hate speech attempts to ban certain words and ideas, and argues that these words or ideas are outside the protection of the 1A. But because the definition is set by statute, hate speech can be anything the lawmakers want it to be.
Assault weapons are attempts to ban certain parts and shapes of guns. It argues these parts and shapes are outside the protection of the 2A. And like hate speech, because assault weapons definitions are set by statute, they can be anything lawmakers want them to be.
You need a very basic level of understanding about how firearms work to get past the rhetoric, and a commitment not to lie.
That's exactly right. When you ask people who are ignorant of guns why they think "assault weapons" should be banned, they'll say "Because they can kill a lot of people very quickly."
I'll respond "But why does the fact that the stock is collapsible and having a pistol grip change that?"
They'll say "No, it's not that, it's that they can fire a lot of bullets very quickly."
But of course, that's true of all semi-automatics. That's ultimately what the left means when they say "assault weapons." They mean "All magazine loaded semi-automatics." Which includes most basic handguns, in addition to rifles.
I'll respond "But why does the fact that the stock is collapsible and having a pistol grip change that?"
Yeah, but what about that shoulder thing that goes up? That makes a fully semi-automatic military-style assault thingy with high-capacity banana clipizines super-extra deadly.