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The "Judges of Wisdom" and the "Mystical Aphorisms of the Fortune Cookie"
The Dobbs dissenters should have quoted that other passage from Justice Scalia about Justice Kennedy.
The Dobbs dissent made little effort to defend the handicraft of Justice Blackmun in Roe. And the dissenters didn't bother to endorse the "mystery of human life" pablum from Casey. But Justices Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan did heap praise on the stare decisis discussion from Casey--in particular, the focus on the Court's "legitimacy."
The joint dissenters wrote that overruling Roe would extract a "terrible price."
Casey itself made the last point in explaining why it would not overrule Roe—though some members of its majority might not have joined Roe in the first instance. . . . And to overrule for that reason? Quoting Justice Stewart, Casey explained that to do so—to reverse prior law "upon a ground no firmer than a change in [the Court's] membership"—would invite the view that "this institution is little different from the two political branches of the Government." No view, Casey thought, could do "more lasting injury to this Court and to the system of law which it is our abiding mission to serve." For overruling Roe, Casey concluded, the Court would pay a "terrible price."
Next, the joint dissenters wrote an encomium for Justices O'Connor, Kennedy, and Souter.
The Justices who wrote those words—O'Connor, Kennedy, and Souter—they were judges of wisdom.
We learn that Justices O'Connor, Kennedy, and Souter are "judges of wisdom." For evidence of this wisdom, let me quote from Casey.
At the heart of liberty is the right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life. Beliefs about these matters could not define the attributes of personhood were they formed under compulsion of the State.
I know that the joint dissenters are fond of quoting from Justice Scalia. His rebuke from Obergefell is apt:
If, even as the price to be paid for a fifth vote, I ever joined an opinion for the Court that began: "The Constitution promises liberty to all within its reach, a liberty that includes certain specific rights that allow persons, within a lawful realm, to define and express their identity," I would hide my head in a bag. The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie.
Casey did not exude "wisdom." Nor did it demonstrate judging for that matter. Casey demonstrated a political calculation of the worst sort--engage in blatant misreading of precedent, carve a new rule out of whole cloth, and hope things work out. Not much wisdom here. Perhaps, to borrow from Fifth Circuit lingo, they exhibited minor wisdom.
The joint dissenters continue:
[Justice O'Connor, Kennedy, and Souter] would not have won any contests for the kind of ideological purity some court watchers want Justices to deliver. But if there were awards for Justices who left this Court better than they found it? And who for that reason left this country better? And the rule of law stronger? Sign those Justices up.
There is a lot to unpack here. First, the joint dissenters have launched an attack on their recently-nominated colleagues who apparently passed an "ideological purity" and "deliver" the expected results to appease "some court watchers" (me!). (FYI, none of them pass my ideological purity test.) This statement is as much a rebuke of Justice Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett--the young and the restless--than it is a praise of O'Connor, Kennedy, and Souter. Then again, we got the latter three because of the decisions of the former three. No more Souters!
Second, the joint dissenters charge that O'Connor, Kennedy, and Souter would not win any awards or prizes. Oh come on. In light of Casey and related cases, these judges were praised at every opportunity. There is actually a Wikipedia page that lists all the prizes and honorary degrees that Sandra Day O'Connor received. They are not lacking for honors. Liberals love conservatives who vote with liberals. You don't make it to the cover of Time Magazine by standing for conservative judicial principles.
Third, what the joint dissenters meant is that O'Connor and Kennedy would not receive praise from conservatives. Fair point. But when you are accepted at every level of elite society, who needs to hobnob at the Mayflower with other FedSoc grunts?
In my view, one of the most significant aspects of Dobbs is that we can move past the entire "stare decisis" and "legitimacy" debate. The Court did the deed. Roe is gone. The chips will fall where they may. The political process will work itself through. But the Justices themselves will no longer feel constrained by the Casey fiction that decisions must be made with regard to popular opinion. Courage "under fire" means ruling without regard to those public currents.
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I think the only thing more partisan or more stupider than Kagan and Sotomeyer is KJB.
Lesbians, Wise Latinas, and Biologists.
lol what a trainwreck those people are.
Great comment at a blog at which disaffected losers huddle together for warmth, nipping at the heels and ankles of their betters, pretending that their political preferences have much longer to be relevant in a modern American improving against their wishes.
This week at the Supreme Court has been a nice rally by the team that is still down ten runs to a far better team late in the game.
Better Americans will wipe their feet on the current Court's efforts to send America back to a whiter, more bigoted, more superstitious time. Well, not all better Americans. Some of us will be urinating on the Alito-Thomas-Gorsuch-Barrett-Kavanaugh legacy.
still waiting for class rank at
https://law.udc.edu/, "Reverend" Jerry
almost like you're trying to hide something (and I don't mean your kiddie porn from your Parole Officer)
Again with the Urinating, guess some (sick) peoples are into that,
Don't ask, Don't Smell,
Frank "Not ashamed of My Almer Mater"
Rev. Where did you go to law school. Please, point to any part of your remark that shows you attended law school. I found none.
Don't forget the newest addition to the court, who apparently has never seen a Penis.
not that there's anything wrong with that . . .
This 100% affirmative action baby should have replied, 135 times, the Supreme Court has said, the meaning of a word is its dictionary definition, and not made up lawyer shit. Why is she too stupid to know that? Where's is my Queenie for this?
Woman: noun
An adult female human.
Women considered as a group; womankind.
An adult female human belonging to a specified occupation, group, nationality, or other category. Often used in combination.
If you can't see your own penis, you're too fat, or Jerry Nadler/Christ Christie.
RE: "Don't forget the newest addition to the court, who apparently has never seen a Penis."
As opposed to the current longest-serving member, who has seen lots of penises (well, pictures and videos of them), and got in trouble by trying to discuss them with his female subordinates and co-workers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk71UVpHdHg&t=9s
wow, what a Throwback! I'm pretty sure Anita Hill isn't umm the "Shade" my Man Clarence is into...
He likes the White Meat!
Frank
"Perhaps, to borrow from Fifth Circuit lingo, they exhibited minor wisdom."
Cute. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Minor_Wisdom
Man, Scalia was a great jurist.
Too bad he was murdered.
Umm, by what/who, Amurica's bounty of wealth where Obese peoples (Fatties Jerry Nad-ler/ Christ Christie for example) pay money to have their gizzards re-routed, just lay off the Second Big Mac, exercise some!
All evidence it was a routine Coronary, and it worked out well, thanks to the Turtle Stiff Arming Merrick the Elephant Man Garfield, so we could our man Flint-Gor-Such.
Seriously, hope the Conservative Surpremes Es-Chew any offered Secret Service protection, (you know, the guys who stood around when Lee Harvey (Yes, Lee Harvey) shot JFK and let nuts walk right in through the South Portico...
I'd get some ex IDF Special Forces, skilled in murdering with their bare hands, hand to hand combat,
Might even throw in a Guy, just to be "Inclusive"
Frank "Now Ashlee Babbitt was murdered"
Knock, knock.
Who's there?
Not Ashli Babbitt. Not anymore.
Carry on, clingers . . . well, except Ashli.
I'm glad the building I inhabit
Won't be invaded by Ashli Babbitt.
I feel the Same way, but substitute "Floyd George/Trayvon Martins" for an Amurican War Veteran.
Rev. Where did you go to law school? Was it in the Top Tier?
Sure was, "Top Tier" of Cellblock C, in the "Protective Custody" wing of
https://www.cor.pa.gov/Facilities/StatePrisons/Pages/Greene.aspx
Frank
OK, "Rev" I found your school, see why you like to keep it "Undercover" (I was going to say "In your Pants" but you've never been good at that) https://www.cor.pa.gov/Facilities/StatePrisons/Pages/Greene.aspx
Frank
Hopefully the current court will stay intact until after the 2024 election and squish Roberts will be constrained by the other five justices in the Dobb's majority.
I don't remember any law professor being so sophomoric and blithe about the real world consequences of what he advocates. This is not a baseball game your team just won. A lot of suffering and uncertainty will result.
u r dum ha ha ha
Yes we should all accept your partisan framing and pull out our fainting couches!
Capt...
Here's a nice map of the current abortion laws, by state, in the US. Compared with the current abortion laws, by country, in the EU
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/06/why-the-abortion-hysteria.php
What you'll observe here is that in the vast majority of US states, abortion for any reason has a legal limit of 21-30 weeks of development, with a small minority allowing it up to 40 weeks. Only two states restrict abortion before 21 weeks.
In Europe by contrast, the vast majority of countries restrict abortion after 20 weeks, with some having more severe limits. Only a few allow it from 21-30 weeks.
I think you'll find that Europe is not an "abortion wasteland" where women die by the thousands for lack of options. Despite having far more severe laws than the US.
Are you seriously that fucking stupid to have ignored the source of that graphic?
I really didn't think that you could be more ignorant than you've historically shown, yet here we are.
When you have nothing else, make an Ad Homo attack.
Europe's running out of Europeans, it's why they're giving the same consideration to baby humans that we do to baby Sea Turtles.
Specifically what's not true in the article? Thought So, and go ahead, call me a Homo.
Frank "You're a bigger one"
Are you seriously that fucking stupid to have ignored the source of that graphic?
****Not me. the article that referenced it is powerline.
Are you so dim as a refrigerator bulb as to deride the data BECAUSE it appears on a site you don't like?
Or are you even dimmer, not not notice that the link at Powerline was to Wikipedia?
In either case, only the most neuron-depleted would blow off a stat they didn't like by sneering at its source!!!
The graphic depicted is based on Wikipedia from September 2021.
Those are not 'current abortion laws,' you twit. Dobbs has already upended a multitude of State laws which that graphic clearly doesn't reflect. Again, because it is based on data from SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR.
You're even dumber than Armchair, because my complaint gave a pretty large clue as to what the problem was, and you still came here with ignorant stupidity spewing from your word-hole.
Don't bother coming back.
Oh, look, this idiocy again!
1. In most of Western Europe, the cost of abortion is fully or almost completely covered by the government. Here, virtually never.
2. In some but not all counties in Europe, the woman seeking an abortion after the first trimester needs to get approval from two doctors; absent that, she needs to show a threat to her health (not her life). (And there are other exceptions, including socioeconomic hardship.)
Try proposing an abortion policy that includes full funding and these types of broad exceptions to your local Republican legislature! I have a hunch about what they'll do.
1. In most of Western Europe, the cost of abortion is fully or almost completely covered by the government. Here, virtually never.
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Wrong. 16 states fund abortions.
https://www.kff.org/medicaid/state-indicator/abortion-under-medicaid/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D
RE: "In Europe by contrast, the vast majority of countries restrict abortion after 20 weeks, with some having more severe limits. Only a few allow it from 21-30 weeks. "
WRAWWWWWNG!!!!
Almost all of them allow exceptions if you get two independent doctors to sign off on your need for it, and it's quite easy to find doctors who will, in almost any of the free, industrialized countries of Europe. And even some of the un-free ones, like Russia (for the time being, at least).
You mean the RW talking points are BS?
What a fucking surprise.
Here's the thing. They are all liars. Every one.
You mean by the hundreds of thousands of dead babies that will still happen? Just like in Antebellum Amurica, we'll have "Life" States and "Death" States, heck, Abortion's the only thing 1/2 way keeping Reverend Jerry's dream from happening,
Frank "Keep Abortion, Safe, Legal, and Concentrated in the lower Socioeconomic Classes"
First, the joint dissenters have launched an attack on their recently-nominated colleagues who apparently passed an "ideological purity" and "deliver" the expected results to appease "some court watchers"...This statement is as much a rebuke of Justice Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett--the young and the restless--than it is a praise of O'Connor, Kennedy, and Souter.
An implied rebuke at worst. I seem to recall some much harsher and more criticism in other majority opinions about the dissenters. And it's silly to claim that the Trump 3 were not chosen because of their views; on abortion, religious freedom, and other things. That's why people are nominated to the Court these days.
"If, even as the price to be paid for a fifth vote, I ever joined an opinion for the Court that began: "The Constitution promises liberty to all within its reach, a liberty that includes certain specific rights that allow persons, within a lawful realm, to define and express their identity," I would hide my head in a bag."
Now that's a high-quality (and very explicit) insult. I guess it's OK if it comes from Scalia. Of course he managed to write out of the 2nd Amendment some rather important language, so I guess he knew about making stuff up.
Quoting Justice Stewart, Casey explained that to do so—to reverse prior law "upon a ground no firmer than a change in [the Court's] membership"—would invite the view that "this institution is little different from the two political branches of the Government." No view, Casey thought, could do "more lasting injury to this Court and to the system of law which it is our abiding mission to serve." For overruling Roe, Casey concluded, the Court would pay a "terrible price."
The fact that the bill is currently in arrears doesn't mean it won't be paid in full someday.
"Courage "under fire" means ruling without regard to those public currents.
Courage is shown by those showing up at pro-choice rallies and getting run over by those of opposing views; not by someone writing an opinion unpopular with "the other side" while protected 24/7 by armed Federal agents and snipers on the roof of the Court.
True character, as a judge, is demonstrated by not always ruling in conformity with one's priors.
Brought to you by the Democrat party spin machine.
Jumping in front of a car or truck that is proceeding legally in its proper lane and within the speed limit is not courage, it's a martyr simplex.
If you mean what happened in Cedar Rapids, not true, but thanks for playing!
https://www.thecut.com/2022/06/truck-driver-ran-into-pro-choice-protesters-in-iowa.html
(Hint: innocent drivers don't hit people and then keep on going.)
The hogatha twins are being stupid, but obviously not criminally so. When charges get filed let us know.
Do you say “Women’s Rights”, “Birthing Peoples Rights”, or “People Assigned Female Reproductive Organs Rights”?
When Roe was decided, I was a young lawyer recently installed in a large DC law firm. I thought (naively) that whether and when to kill unborn children was a serious moral issue, and that what the Constitution had to say about that was a serious legal issue. What I found was that for a lot of folks the issues were not that serious morally or legally. My "liberal Republican" colleagues thought that encouraging abortion was desirable because a lot of the abortees would be Black (they may have said "Colored", I'm not sure, it was a long time ago), and reducing the number of Blacks (who always voted for Democrats) was a good thing. My Democrat colleagues thought that the world was about to be overrun by a huge increase in population, and everything we could do to defuse the population bomb was desirable. If any of them thought that the Roe decision represented the best interpretation of the Constitution, they didn't share that analysis with me.
20 years later, when the Casey case came before the Court, the Justices had a chance to pull the plug on the abortion ideaology. They failed the challenge.
30 years after that, six Justices had the courage to acknowledge their predecessors' mistake, a mistake that had become orthodoxy in a large and influential part of the establishment, and they corrected it -- perhaps at risk of their lives, certainly at risk of their comfort. They are heroes.
...and hopefully make abortion safe, legal and RARE!
For whites.
That would make the Democrats and many powerful Jews pretty happy.
" They are heroes. "
Your analysis is almost a parody of the view from a male, obsolete, white, right-wing perspective.
Are you afflicted by adult-onset superstition, too, like most gullible clingers?
Guys like you can't be replaced fast enough. In our society, at our law firms, in our elected offices, in our electorate . . . across the board.
The next thing you contribute to modern America will occur when you take your stale, ugly thinking to the grave and are replaced by a better, younger American. Thank you in advance for that service. Otherwise, you have overstayed your welcome.
https://law.udc.edu/ when's the reunion, "Reverend"??
Why are you picking on that school, you bigoted asshole?
Is it not located in a pure-white neighborhood?
Does it have too many Black students for a Volokh Conspiracy fan's taste?
Is it ranked even lower than South Texas College of Law Houston (quite unlikely)?
Is it located in a place that ranks above the clinger states in higher educational attainment (quite likely)?
You and this white, male, bigoted blog deserve each other, Frank Drackman.
Umm, it's in the (wants to be) "State" of D.C that you bragged leads the World in "Advanced Degrees"
And it's named after a White Dude, seems you're the one Ass-suming a School in D.C. has to be Afro-Amurican,
But I get it "Reverend" who pretends he's a "Lawyer"
you're a "Jailhouse" Lawyer, nothing wrong with that, hey, you can be the next "Gideon", if "Gideon" was a Child Molester
https://www.cor.pa.gov/Facilities/StatePrisons/Pages/Greene.aspx
Frank "Don't Drop the Soap Rev"
That's the best forlorn, woe begotten soliloquy you can come up with, Artie Poo. You're slipping in your old age, gumdrop.
His names Jerry, Jerry Sandusky.
Thanks for the info from your personal experience with some *very* frank colleagues (and bonus use of Democrat as adjective; always a sign you're in for a good time).
Not really sufficient to condemn a Supreme Court decision as bad faith, as you're trying to do.
But you seem to have convinced yourself enough that you thought this storytime would be a legit argument against the reasoning in Roe and Casey, so there is that.
A few days ago, Professor Blackman wrote that he had some unidentified role in obtaining the results in Dobbs and Bruen. Today, he states that the “court watcher” referred to in the Dobbs dissent is His Truly:
“There is a lot to unpack here. First, the joint dissenters have launched an attack on their recently-nominated colleagues who apparently passed an ‘ideological purity’ and ‘deliver’ the expected results to appease ‘some court watchers’ (me!). (FYI, none of them pass my ideological purity test.)”
I did not realize he was so important and well known at 1 First Street, NE.
"But when you are accepted at every level of elite society, who needs to hobnob at the Mayflower with other FedSoc grunts?"
Better Americans avoid the Federalist Society not because of hobnobbery but because they prefer reason to superstition, modernity to insularity, inclusiveness to bigotry, progress to backwardness, and science to silly dogma.
I get it "Reverend", you pulled a "Poke-a-Hontas" to get into Law School, claiming to be Afro-Amurican because your Grandfather had flaring nostrils and "Rhythm", but C'mon, (Man!) you're always busting balls about Peoples Law Schools, which HBUC did you attend??? Bet you had a Killer "Step Team"!
Frank "https://law.udc.edu/"
I'm starting to think you're Prof. Volokh's sock puppet. He doesn't have the stones to engage directly, so we get this?
Sounding a little Bitter/Klingy there, " Reverend Jerry"
Jeez, isn't it "Lights Out" yet at https://www.cor.pa.gov/Facilities/StatePrisons/Pages/Greene.aspx
Frank
My predictions:
1). Should Republicans nuke the filibuster someday and pass a nationwide abortion ban, Blackman and his ilk will vociferous defend their right to do so against Commerce Clause challenges.
2) Should the Supreme Court someday invent a right for fetuses under the 14th amendment that outlaws abortion in the US, Blackman will be cheering from the bleachers.
May these circumstances never arise, but if they do ...
No, they’re not that creative. They’ll just spool up the “Harry Reid did it first” song and put it on repeat.
Jus dicere, non jus dare. Even if you want to dare greatly.
Mr. D.
"Judges of Wisdom" are kings like Solomon, who were granted extra-legal powers. A SC Justice who follows that path is a perjurer, violating their oath to be a Judge of the Constitution.
And to follow up on my earlier predictions, should the Democrats get their act together and pass a national law to protect abortion rights, I predict that Professor Blackman would take the exact opposite position and argue that the law was a violation of the Commerce Clause.
"Get their Act together"??
The Marxist Stream Fake News Media keeps saying 90% of Amuricans are "Pro Choice (to Kill an unborn Baby)" and for "Common Sense" Gun Control, so why not pass it already???
We all know why,
Frank "Choose Life!"
At least with the Commerce Clause he has hundreds, if not a thousand plus, of decisions that also expanded it to use as examples.
I rarely comment on the Volokh articles. It’s out of my league. I read to learn. I just couldn’t help laughing at expansion of the Commerce Clause to further Fed control as something on par with 14A in regards to treatment from SCOTUS. If a good lawyer CAN’T argue a power is within the Commerce Clause, he, well, is operating under a false name.
It's curious how "Courage under fire" includes deliberate deception and repeated perjury.
The Court did the deed. Roe is gone. The chips will fall where they may. The political process will work itself through.
^ This.
I expect that political process to play out for a decade. What is a decade in the life of a nation spanning hundreds of years?
The Court is part of the political process. Pretending it isn't is silly.
This is not some clean break and it's all just voting now. Especially given voting and the courts these days.
"In my view, one of the most significant aspects of Dobbs is that we can move past the entire "stare decisis" and "legitimacy" debate."
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I was thinking about this... imagine how much "different" the next SCOTUS hearing will be? There won't be any euphemistic dissembling to "precedent" from either the inquisitor or the inquisitee... instead we might just get a blunt question from a democrat that says, "Hey! Will you reinstate an abortion right if approved?"
Imagine the candor.
As for the idiotic graphic, perhaps you missed that it ignores the trigger laws banning abortion in 13 states. (Along with the dozens of bans that have been passed and struck down in recent years.) And even setting aside those laws, "look our liberal our laws are" at the point when states are free to pass bans but haven't had a chance yet maybe isn't a super-convincing argument.