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New Op-Ed: "On abortion, justices demonstrate courage under fire"
"Dobbs, which is a triumph for originalism and sound constitutional law, also signals that the court is infused with judicial fortitude."
Yesterday, the Deseret News invited me to write an op-ed on Dobbs. I thought I would have some time to think about it, but the Court moved quicker than I expected.
My Op-Ed is titled, "On abortion, justices demonstrate courage under fire." This piece builds on my essay "Judicial Courage" in the Texas Review of Law & Politics.
Here is the introduction:
In 1973, Roe v. Wade created a constitutional right to abortion. Two decades later, in Planned Parenthood v. Casey, the Supreme Court refused to reverse that controversial decision, writing that "to overrule (Roe) under fire … would subvert the Court's legitimacy beyond any serious question."
Today, Roe was overruled in the Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization decision. And in doing so, the majority demonstrated real courage "under fire." Five justices were willing to take this bold and correct legal step in the face of never-ending personal attacks, efforts to pack the court, fallout from the leaked draft opinion, protests outside their homes and even an assassination attempt.
Dobbs, which is a triumph for originalism and sound constitutional law, also signals that the court is infused with judicial fortitude. This virtue, more than any particular method of deciding cases, guarantees that the court will steadfastly safeguard the rule of law.
And the conclusion:
Two years ago, I dubbed the final month of the Supreme Court's term as "Blue June." In case after case, the court's purported conservative majority went to the left. Chief Justice John Roberts, the swing vote, found creative ways to strike balances that did not really resolve contentious issues, but avoided any obvious conservative victory. He hewed closely to a jurisprudence of public relations.
Two years later, we are in a very different time — call it "Red June." Today, the court overruled Roe v. Wade; yesterday the court held that New York's restrictions on concealed carry were unconstitutional. These two decisions, separated by 24 hours, were handed down in the face of immense pressure from every facet of our society. Yet the justices did not falter. They are infused with judicial courage. And if they stick to their guns, come what may, the rule of law will be steadfastly safeguarded.
I will have much more to say about Red June, or perhaps Red Flag June in due course.
You should also check out Joel Alicea's piece in City Journal, titled "An Originalist Victory."
To acknowledge this achievement is to acknowledge the constitutional theory around which the coalition that brought it about rallied for a half-century: originalism. It was originalism that the pro-life movement adopted after Roe and supported through the confirmation defeat of Robert Bork; the attempted defeats of Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, and Brett Kavanaugh; and the setback of Casey. The goal of overruling Roe and Casey bound the conservative political movement to the conservative legal movement, and originalism was their common constitutional theory. Dobbs thus had the potential—as I argued in an earlier essay—to exacerbate the tensions over originalism within the conservative legal movement. It would be viewed as the acid test of originalism's ability to translate theory into practice, and there would be no avoiding the stakes for the conservative legal movement in the case: "complete victory or crisis-inducing defeat," as I put it. We now know that it was a complete victory, and it was, in large part, originalism's victory.
I count Joel, Sherif Girgis, and a few others, as leaders in the conservative legal movement who helped advance the debate in Dobbs.
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Thankfully, there's only one way to interpret the constitution, right? Your way.
It's all damn mind games. "Imagine you are in the 1800's" I may as well be playing fantasy D&D in high school. It's just as valid a reality it seems. Thankfully, things change ( except if you are stuck in the 1800's) and will change again.
Thankfully, there's only one way to interpret the constitution, right? Your way.
Of course it is unfair of me to interpret the constitution my way, but that rule doesn't apply to you?
It's all damn mind games. "Imagine you are in the 1800's" I may as well be playing fantasy D&D in high school.
So, past court decisions should expire, so let's pick a number, say 20 years and then the court has to examine everything anew. Looks to me like the SCOTUS followed your path.
So we should have a time limit on when reason and knowledge expire? Let's
The Constitution will soon be interpreted by an 11- or 13-justice Supreme Court. There won't be enough of a conservative legal movement left to enact dogcatcher regulations, except in the most desolate, emptying, can't-keep-up sections of our nation.
Bigotry, backwardness, and superstition just aren't popular enough in modern America to preserve conservative positions much longer.
Go ahead, with the way your so-called "Betters" fuck things up (Lets, see, Supermajorities in 2009, but Ted Kennedy's Tumor has other ideas, so no Gun Control when you could have done it) and your side controls the Senate/House/White House now and can't do shit, except some piss ant "red flag" law, which will be struck down faster than you go down on "Bubba" (Your "Better" or at least your "Upper")
Frank
got carried away, Jerry, but if your side could somehow Miracle 50 new Surpremes, none would get approved until President Disanto nominates, lets see.... Ted Cruz, Rand Paul (if Judges are going to practice Medicine, be nice to have one with some experience) and maybe Tulsi Gabbard just for some Bi-partisinship, (and be great to see her and Amy B make out)
Reason should expire when it is shown to be faulty, or based on false premises.
Knowledge should expire when it is shown to wrong.
There is this little known, esoteric ancient art called English Grammar that we actually have historical data and examples to show the meanings of words and sentences going back hundreds of years.
Whew! I was worried for a second there.
Blackman posted late today because he was busy expending potential life after the decision.
Now, that is funny.
It is an especially nice aspect of replacement that certain clingers do not appear to be anywhere near a trajectory toward procreation. 38, untried, and incel sounds particularly promising. Every clinger who is childless when replaced is a blessing.
In that a child never born is one you can't "Kling" to,
Oohhhhhhh, what a burn!
Guessing you never Boxed, or played Chess (Boxed once in Junior High, still Push Wood(and stroke it occasionally) rating 1962 currently, also my birth year, strange)
because you leave yourself so wide open for Counterpunches,
Frank "Your shoes are untied"
And yet, one such clinger, pushed to the breaking point about the false replacement theory narrative you trumpet as true, far from procreating, actually had a net negative effect on the population, to the tune of -10.
Could someone translate this from clinger to standard English? Thank you.
I think he might be talking about the violence your inflammatory narrative creates.
Six Justices were put on the Supreme Court by the GOP with a clear Number 1 instruction: Repeal the right to abortion. And today they did exactly that. How is that courage, exactly?
Apparently the courage spoken of is the courage to lie under oath. The whole "settled law is settled law" thing and that big lie. Takes a lot of courage to do that.
Precisely so.
“The whole "settled law is settled law" thing and that big lie”
Huh? Roe was settled law. Things change.
Nothing whatsoever changed that would normally violate stare decisis for a decision which had been affirmed and re-affirmed numerous times.
The only thing that changed, is that 6 morally-bankrupt pieces of shit decided they were going to do it because nobody could stop them.
Roe was still settled law before it was overturned.
I couldn't help but notice that you completely ignored the point.
I presume it's because you can't defend the unjustified violation of stare decisis.
As hard as I tried, I can't seem to find the words "stare decisis" anywhere in the Constitution.
Pretending that a bedrock principle of jurisprudence doesn’t matter or exist?
You might as well be Jimmy the dane or bob from ohio, if that’s the bullshit you’d like to peddle.
Brown v Board strike a bell? It's a guideline, not a Commandment. I'm sorry, but cases should be determined by the arguments made and the text of the Constitution, not on something said years or decades before. Each case is a clean slate, to be judged on it's own merits.
Stare Decisis is Latin for "We're too intellectually lazy for original thought and consideration".
So you acknowledge that you have absolutely no concept of what you're talking about, and simultaneously admit that you have no respect for one of the fundamental doctrines of Anglo-American law.
Thank you for your honesty.
So if Plessey had returned to the Court the year after it was decided, they would have been obligated to upheld Plessey?
They would not necessarily have been obligated to uphold Plessey. It would be fine to say, you know what, there was something we didn't think about. And thinking about it, we were wrong. Especially if it's a new argument raised by one of the parties. That's what happened with Barnette overruling Gobitis after just three years.
But this is just the same old argument the court has heard a thousand times before, with the same circumstances. The only thing that changed is the justices. That should not be sufficient, for at least one obvious reason: it politicizes the court, as we've seen. These justices got appointed because they were going to change this decision, and they didn't disappoint. And it's destroying the court and the country.
So yes, if the exact same case came to the court the year after Plessey with the exact same arguments and circumstances, they would have been obligated to uphold. This is the first and only time a decision has been overturned based solely on a change of heart.
" they would have been obligated to uphold. "
That is the problem with your point of view. Plessey was grievously wrong from the beginning. It should not have had to wait 60 years to be overturned.
As for Roe, what SCOTUS had created, it could remove. The right should have be enshrined in a law or Constitutional amendment.
That's where I'm at. If this was so sacred they had 50 years to codify it. There is a reason Decisions are written on paper rather than carved in stone.
This makes the court just another legislature.
Enshrining it in a statute would have made no difference at all. THis court would happily invalidate such a statute.
Getting anything with less than maybe 80-90% support nationwide put into an Amendment is impossible.
"THis court would happily invalidate such a statute."
On what grounds?
They'll think of something.
Bitter much?
Be-Otch!!
been waiting 49 years for that,
Frank "Lets see 1: Crushed my enemies, 2: Saw them driven before me, 3: Heard the lamentations of their women, all in all, a pretty good Friday"
"Nothing whatsoever changed that would normally violate stare decisis for a decision which had been affirmed and re-affirmed numerous times."
Nothing changed before Brown v Bd of Education. Yet they still overturned a terrible decision.
True. Heller ain't settled. Nothing is.
And plus, things actually have changed with Heller. We know now, with the benefit of further research, that Scalia's history was egregiously wrong.
Judicial Courage = Judicial Activism
The right in Heller is actually in writing in the Bill of RIghts. Yet you don't like that and would prefer Scotus to negate the written word of the BOR and overrule Heller.
I see that your standards changed in just a few short minutes.
You obviously haven't read Heller.
The "central" (it's word) right in Heller is self-defense.
(In case you also haven't read the Bill of Rights, self-defense isn't in there.)
If you're going to call someone a perjurer, you should actually quote the statement you contend is a lie rather than just making up words and putting them in the person's mouth.
I don't think K committed perjury, in the legal (ie, he's at risk of a criminal conviction and being sent to prison) sense. According to Senator Susan Collins, when she met with him in her office before the confirmation hearings, she was crystal-clear with him. And said to him, in essence, "Forget all the parsing of language that you will do during the hearings...all nominees do that now, and I have no problem with you doing the same. I am asking you directly: Will you ever vote to overturn Roe v Wade? I will not support you if you will; I will support you if you convince me that you will not."
I base this on reporting at the time by very conservative media, liberal media and everything in between. I think Collins herself came out and said this...that although she would not discuss the exact language Kav. used, she came away thoroughly convinced that--regardless of K's personal view the Roe was wrongly decided 50 years ago--he would not overrule it.
Collins, in retrospect, was an idiot for believing him. We know it; she knows it; and she knows that we all know it. Big fucking deal . . . so we have one more example of of a Senator being dumber than the average voter (which, sadly, is pretty damn dumb).
I don't think a nominee lying about his/her view re Roe is cowardice. (Or, if you want to be charitable, a nominee being deliberately vague and opaque and disingenuous in order to fool the Senate into believing something.) But it's hardly a profile in courage either.
I'm trying to remember if Josh described earlier court opinions that gave gay couples the right to marry that I enjoy, or that upheld the Affordable Care Act, as examples of courage under fire. One hopes, for consistency's sake, that he did. It would be pretty pathetic if Josh's definition of 'courage' was "judicial activism that achieves a goal I agree with."
Was Collins demanding a quid pro quo from him? If you do what I want, I will vote for you?
That seems a bit illegal.
Of course she was, as is every senator who asks a similar question about any precedent
Seems to me any nominee would would publicly say how they would vote on a hypothetical case without having read the particulars is unqualified for any Bench, let alone the highest court in the land.
But Roe is not a hypothetical case.
It's an actual case, that was decided fifty years ago. Is it really unreasonable to ask a nominee what they think about it?
I mean, Thomas' claim never to have thought about it aside, it is a hugely prominent case.
I can pretty well guarantee that Kavanaugh did not tell Susan Collins (or anyone else) that he would never vote to overturn Roe, because the nominees know that they're going to be asked how they would vote in specific cases and they know that they can't answer those questions. (Indeed, if Kavanaugh had given that answer at the time, that would have been disqualifying.)
Now, it's certainly possible that Collins came away with the impression that Kavanaugh wouldn't vote the way he did. But that doesn't make him a liar, any more than it made Sotomayor a liar when she said whatever she said that convinced Mark Udall that she would protect the rights recognized in Heller.
https://www.denverpost.com/2009/06/11/udall-grills-supreme-court-nominee-sotomayor/
I think you are stretching. Read the staffer's notes.
It looks to me as if Kavanaugh tried as hard as he could to convince Collins he would not vote to overturnRoe without explicitly saying so.
A very lawyerly approach.
What did sotomayer or kagan say about stare decisis and heller
Let’s not be hypocritical
Well, except that Collins isn't that much of an idiot. She didn't believe him; she just chose to pretend she did, because she knew that voting against him would cost her her seat, and she needed something to tell herself.
But that isn't even the right framing, because Kavanaugh isn't an idiot and would never make an actual promise, publicly or privately. He said something carefully enough that she could pretend that he had said what she wanted him to say.
Yeah, all this about the Justices lying is really taking these nomination hearings for a lot more than they are
I'd wager those trusting Collins' sincerity now did not do so previously.
This sucks, the way the GOP has done the Court sucks. But this is a silly line of attack. That will probably become part of the conventional wisdom of the Democratic Party, as these convenient narratives do.
That will probably become part of the conventional wisdom of the Democratic Party
"Kavanaugh lied to Collins" won't... who really knows {or cares) what Republicans say to each other in offices.
"Kavanaugh lied to Congress" might. But I think there's a sense in which that's true. He definitely, intentionally gave the impression in his testimony that he would uphold Roe. He didn't have to do that. Everybody knew what the subtext was. He could have reveled in the conservatives' moment and said something like "Some opinions, such as Plessy, are just so wrong that they cannot be upheld."
But he didn't. He implied he would uphold. I didn't believe him, and maybe Collins didn't either. But it gave Collins cover to say she did, and vote for him on that basis... all while Trump was assuring conservatives that it's all an act, he'll definitely overturn.
So we have a situation where he was intentionally misleading in his testimony in a way that's clear to the public through the lenses of Trump and Collins (whether or not she was complicit}. It's nuanced, not likely perjury, and the sort of thing we've come to expect... but also intentionally misleading and a lie by omission. So the whole sorry episode is summarized not too badly as "lying to Congress."
" If you're going to call someone a perjurer, you should actually quote the statement "
Sens. Collins and Manchin have both stated that Kavanaugh actively misled them. Do you wish you defend Kavanaugh in that context, as a right-wing culture war casualty who loves a white, male, bigoted blog might be expected to do?
The Left has control of all the major institutions. Education, media, corporate America. Even video game companies
https://twitter.com/Ubisoft/status/1540387071512174593?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
and state colleges are popping off in rage over this ruling. There would be no where near the magnitude of reaction if the ruling had gone the other way. So it is at least a little bit braver to make a prolife ruling than it is a proabortion ruling. Maybe not as much for already established Supreme Court justices aside from assassination attempts and court packing. But certainly much more for the great mass underneath them for voicing a contrary opinion in the professional and personal world.
"There would be no where near the magnitude of reaction if the ruling had gone the other way." Duh. Since the majority of Americans ( In the polls I have seen ) support the Roe ruling. Therefore more people are upset.
And lets try and get past "Left and Right", shall we? It's people. Americans.
The argument is over which side is it is overall braver/riskier to be on, which is clearly the prolife side. Not which side people who get all their information from CNN headlines and twitter posts support more.
Hi, "Steve" (haven't seen you here in the past dozen years, weirdly enough, but welcome!)
Would'ja mind posting those "polls [you] have seen" so we can see the actual wording of the polls that resulted in the numbers that you characterize as "support the Roe ruling"?
This recent handwaving/astroturfing based on cagily worded questions not bounded to geography/time is really getting old, just as we wearied through years of "hey, do you like free shit?" polls characterized as "AMERICANS LIKE OBAMACARE, YO!!!111one"
Thanks ever so.
No one is stopping the right from having the talent to dominate in academia, media, etc. Take it up with God.
It really doesn’t take that much talent to be a glorified babysitter.
Such contempt for kids and professors.
When's the last time you were on a campus?
What contempt? Not everything requires talent.
Now it's all babysitting.
Not like it was for you.
For reasons.
12" is not even worth replying on such a idiotic comment. The guy knows zip, mute him if he bugs you so much
No one is stopping the right from having the talent to dominate in academia, media, etc. Take it up with God.
That's exactly what the left has been telling the right for the last 40 years about the Supreme Court.
Self government is a long play game.
What I am telling the right is that you are poorly educated bigots, superstitious rubes, obsolete losers, and disaffected culture war casualties concentrated in our nation's deplorable communities.
Stick with the fairy tales, the white nationalism, the backwater religious schooling, the downscale information and entertainment sources, the superstitious gay-bashing, the old-timey misogyny.
Your betters will shape our national progress against your stale, ugly preferences and doomed efforts.
Dude STFU
Geez you’re tiresome
I have noticed that worthless right-wingers tend to dislike my comments.
I am content.
Moderates dislike them too, I can tell you that. In fact everyone, except for violently extreme leftists dislike them.
Lol you are such an angry bitch.
May we posit also that no one is stopping anyone of any race or gender from having the talent to dominate in academia, media, etc?
You're pretty dumb if you believe that. There are quite a few people who are stopping certain races and genders from dominating in academia, media, etc. despite their talents. They're called racists and sexists and yes, they still exist. The leader of the Republican party calls them "good people" and he loves them, in case you were wondering how to align your political affiliations with your principles.
What? The Left has completely captured the universities and the news media. The exceptions shine a glaring light on the whole.
You walked right into that one Randal.
? Is the theory here that women and minorities are all "Left"? Or that there are no individuals out there trying to impede their access to "academia, media, etc."? Neither of those things is true.
Dominate academia, the media, etc.? The knuckle-draggers can't even compete.
The only reason some conservative law professors were were hired by strong law schools was tokenism. And I doubt those schools will be in the market for any more professors who stain their reputations.
I defer to our resident expert in (Cum) Stains.
When Prof. Volokh claimed he censored me for violation of ostensible civility standards, evidence indicates he was lying.
Hypocritical, cowardly, and bigoted is no way to go through life, Flounder.
I think it was "Fat, Drunk, and Stupid", Stupid.
Ubisoft is a French company, you twit.
Could you just ONCE actually comment about something you aren't obviously ignorant?
I agree it takes bravery to be both ignorant and outspoken. Pugnacity, to be specific.
how would you vote with threats on your life?
It sure is easy to criticize
Maybe six. Two for sure were installed on the SC by a cabal with only one overriding interest. Barrett and Kavanaugh did as they were instructed; the cabal is pleased.
That cabal is called the voters of the states who voted for Mr. Trump.
Because when one gets murdered, nothing will happen to the Killer, except becoming a Hero to Team Babykiller.
Marttineed - try to be honest .
The opinion did not repeal the right to abortion
What, exactly, is your objection? It's gotta be something very nitpicky or very ignorant, so I'm curious.
Randal
June.25.2022 at 4:08 pm
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"What, exactly, is your objection? It's gotta be something very nitpicky or very ignorant, so I'm curious."
Martineed made the false claim that Dobbs repealed the right to abortion. both you and Martineed know that the Dobbs did not repeal the right to abortion.
Do you have as much difficulty with being honest as martineed or any of the other pro-abortion advocates?
It overruled the constitutional right to abortion.
Is that your (nitpicky) problem, or do you have something else (ignorant) in mind?
It takes no courage to reward your friends and punish your enemies. The conservative majority on this court is not going to start issuing rulings on hot button issues that draw fire from right-wing scholars, right-wing pundits, or the Leonard Leo wing of the Fed Soc. Until they do so -- i.e., never -- let's not talk about how "brave" they are.
I think that's it, in a nutshell. (And I'm not a hypocrite; the exact same is true for liberal Justices who do or do not make rulings that, generally-speaking, liberals do not agree with.)
A liberal Justice coming out nowadays with an eloquent dissent that is in line with liberal orthodoxy is a good thing, and (on most social issues, IMO) a correct thing. But it's not a particularly courageous thing.
santamonica811
June.25.2022 at 1:50 am
"A liberal Justice coming out nowadays with an eloquent dissent that is in line with liberal orthodoxy is a good thing, and (on most social issues, IMO) a correct thing. But it's not a particularly courageous thing."
the problem with that line of thought - which was quite common with ginsburg and frequently with sotomayer - is they base their opinions and dissent on what the would like the law to be , not based on what the law is.
Mr. Manager swoons over his manly heroes.
Judicial "fortitude" is usually what judges strive to avoid. A judiciary that wishes to exist for a long time carefully hedges its bets and avoids as much as possible taking clear sides on contentious issues. ideological consistency might be "logical", but "The life of the law isn't logic..." Roberts recognizes that, but he can't protect the court from itself.
“A thing can be true and still be desperate folly, Hazel.”
― Richard Adams, Watership Down
IIRC, from the animated version, "A brave rabbit is a dead rabbit."
Of course this only applies to cases conservatives will win. In cases like Obergefall, have as much fortitude as you want!
In Obergefell the Court saw what it perceived as a major shift in favor of same sex marriage, and did not calculate that the decision would result in major blowback. Time will tell if they were correct. They were not really being 'brave', they were anticipating which way the wind was blowing and rushing to look like leaders, the way of most successful politicians.
Over a century ago Mr. Dooley pointed out that "no matter whether the constitution follows the flag or not, the Supreme Court follows the election returns." The majority on this court has picked a horse, time will tell if they picked correctly.
Well we're about 50 years too late on that one, aren't we?
Indeed. But abortion in the Roe era was not the 500 pound gorilla of politics that it would become. There was disagreement, some of it bitter, but this was before the wider Christian conservative movement latched onto it as a unifying theme, and before they aligned with the Republican Party and it became a litmus test for politicians, more or less in both parties.
Roe itself was an attempt at forging a compromise, with its trimester breakdown, but the effort did not take with the newly emerging Christian/Republican polity. The new decision is not compromise, it is clearly picking a side. As I said, we'll see how that play out.
The lack of intellectual breadth in your arguments is astounding. I can't believe any law school actually hired you, even a podunk one in the sticks. The blowback to this rollback of rights will be swift and fierce. That is the thing with your kind of zealotry. You stick your toe in the door and then overplay your hand. Originalists will certainly be getting their just desserts, just a matter of time.
Boohoo...leftists have to drive a little bit longer to get an abortion and you guys are tantruming like its Kristallnacht
Not sure if leftists will have to drive farther but certainly women will, and it will hit poor women the hardest. Of course, if you have a rich, white daddy with a jet, you won't have any trouble at all finding a blue state clinic. But if your poor brother knocked you up and not pops you might be in trouble.
Not sure if leftists will have to drive farther but certainly women will, and it will hit poor women the hardest.
That's a misquote. It's;
"It will hit Women and 'children' hardest"
Ooops, that quote doesnt work here, does it?
Yes with the Biden gas hike poor women will spend more gas money to kill their babies
The court effectively blunted the red wave come November and may have actually secured Georgia being led by a Democrat in the governor's office
Now the Democrats have something to run on that fires up their base which they did not have yesterday. Republicans, being what they are, will be tripping over themselves to do even more to insure there is no red wave now.
In ten short years there will only be a few states where abortion is not legal as the rest will be flipped to blue.
So basically give progs everything they want to maybe avoid the possibility that they take control and do everything they want? Thanks but I'll take my chances.
Hmmm.... sounds a bit insurrectiony, no?
Also sounds very much like: "I want to tell you, Gorsuch, I want to tell you, Kavanaugh: you have released the whirlwind, and you will pay the price."
All cool when it's the blues.
Almost sounds like you don't know what a true threat sounds like, or are a drama queen.
Drama? like the Current Monkey Trial presided over by Uncle Remus of the Capitol "Insurrection" in which the only death was an unarmed Female Veteran?
I think a fat guy died of a heart attack, too. Very American.
Coronary Artery Disease kills more Amuricans than Cancer,
Eat less, Exercise more, take 81mg Aspirin daily, have parents with clean coronaries.
In all seriousness: prophylactic aspirin recommendations seem to be headed for the same general wastebasket as other population-wide initiatives/fads based on limited and sometimes shoddy science (eating fat makes you fat, margarine is healthier than butter, sodium drives hypertension, etc.)
The current understanding is that a net benefit is not clearcut at all for people not at high risk of cardiovascular disease. See, e.g., here.
There are roughly 200 law schools in America.
Six are ranked below South Texas College of Law Houston.
Six.
That is the school that hired Prof. Blackman. That is the school at which he is mired years later.
Maybe if he got a haircut . . .
That wouldn't work any better than prancing around in garish, unconvincing libertarian drag works for movement conservatives.
Worked pretty well for you until you ran into that one 7 year old that didn't like getting buggered.
The brave ones will be the liberals in red states trying to pick up the pieces, help women who are forced to bear unwanted children, try to supply the safety net pro-lifers oppose, try to provide contraceptives the pro-lifers oppose, and otherwise try to mitigate "the wrong this day done".
Brave as in at worse waving a New york yankees pennant in chicago if you're talking about the deepest red states of the country.
If you want true bravery try saying you're against gay marriage in the middle of an employee meeting at Google. Or that we should respect 2nd Amendment rights at a vigil for a school shooting. So spare us the overblown dramatics.
Have you ever dealt with a teenager girl in crisis, with an unwanted pregnancy? I have, in my former career as a social worker. What would you say to her?
I'd say if you want an abortion that badly go and get it like you've always been able to and like the STRANG INDEPENDENT WOMYN you supposedly are. Rather than lose your cookies over some purple haired 3 gendered antifa bluecheck's poor twitter translation of a proclamation that doesn't really affect you from some distant abstract entity you'd never care about unless ordered to by your masters.
Just maybe think about it a bit especially if the kid is actually at the point where they're indistinguishable from any other human. Or don't if you don't care to listen, no matter what the regime women have always had far more power than the right or left care to admit.
You are blocked and also you can GTH
Guys like me will urinate on the grave of your stale, ugly preferences, AmosArch -- and I will enjoy it immensely, because I dislike bigots and gullible, superstitious, childish, obsolete rubes.
"Guys Like You"???
the word is Pedofile, Jerry.
“Guys like me will urinate on the grave of your stale, ugly preferences,”
LMAAAO that genuinely made me laugh. I’m also enjoying left-wing twitter right now. Carry on, clinger. 😀
And in your former career as a social worker did you e ver tell teenage girls that engaging in sex before marriage was a REALLY BAD IDEA? Or like most social workers did you support their right to have a good time?
Not a serious response
Use the Cheapest/Most Effective Birth Control in the world,
a 325mg Aspirin Tablet, hold it between your legs, don't let it hit the floor, works every time.
Capt- Have y ever faced a baby crying for a chance for life knowing his/her mom is going snuff his /her life out.
Express some concern for the other person in the abortion event
I think saying "I'm afraid of gay people" at a google meeting would be fine. Maybe they could find you some help. As far as carrying a weapon to a school shooting vigil, that's just crass and in very bad taste. I'd think a person who did that is just plain nuts.
Even armed police?
Sure some brave charitable liberals will help women who think they need to have an abortion for the couple of hours or a few days that they need help.
Maybe they will develop some appreciation for the brave charitable conservatives that have been helping women with unexpected pregnancy through months of pregnancy and postpartum care.
I'm a pro-choice libertarian, but because I think abortion should be legal through at least the first trimester, as Mississippi's law allows doesn't mean I think the constitution requires it.
brave charitable conservatives that have been helping women with unexpected pregnancy through months of pregnancy and postpartum care
I agree things wouldn't be so bad if this were the general attitude of the red states. But it isn't. It's, let's arrest women (especially minorities) if they miscarry and search their homes and phones to see if maybe they encouraged the miscarriage. Let's charge women with murder if they miscarry while taking prescription pain killers. Let's charge them with child abuse if they eat unpasteurized cheese while pregnant.
Soon you'll have to register your "human baby" and get it a "conception certificate" as soon as you think you might be pregnant, and from that point to a live birth, you're essentially a handmaid. (Of course, after the live birth, no one cares anymore. Beat the child, starve it, make it do labor, whatever, marry and fuck it at 14, these are red states we're talking about.)
Above is evidence some people should not do Shrooms.
"especially minorities"
You couldn't resist playing a race card.
I'm just reporting the facts and it seemed relevant, because, I think it's easy for those of us who this won't really impact for whatever reason to just assume it's not a big deal for anyone. But it will impact a lot of people very negatively... yes, especially minorities. It's true, not saying it won't make it not true. (What might help make it not true would be if people like you were willing to admit it's a problem rather than just ignore it.)
All the incidents I listed above are true, and that's with Roe. The antiabortionists have gotten very zealous in the 50 years. This will be their opportunity to take the reins.
Miscarriage happens, even late in pregnancy. Stillbirth happens. Should we charge all those women with second-degree murder, or only the black ones?
https://cdispatch.com/news/2019-05-09/new-info-suggests-baby-left-in-toilet-may-have-been-born-dead/
Originalism is Ouija-board jurisprudence.
I'm going to steal that. Thank you!
So you think its just a random guess that Colonial era Americans didn't support mandates for abortion clinics every block and transgender bathrooms in every establishment?
So you think its just a random guess that Colonial era Americans didn't support mandates for automatic weapons and concealed handguns?
"Wait, you're not supposed to use that against us!"
well given that they wrote the second amendment its a reasonable assumption they'd be dismayed at the prospect of us forfeiting the monopoly of force to what is essentially a royal army. And they be in favor of a return to a martial tradition including the possession of guns much more extensive than even the wildest wetdream of the of the most diehard NRA nut.
They'd be dismayed at the US's standing army. Never heard a single conservative complain about that.
No doubt some of the FFs would be dismayed by 14A and VRA. Heard plenty of conservatives complain about them
If you want to go back to an 18th century American understanding of gun rights with all the tradeoffs in restrictions and liberties I'm all for it.
That's a lie.
If you've never heard any conservative dismay over today's large standing Army you haven't been listening. An Army, with a professional NCO corps, can be built virtually overnight. More reserve units with armor and artillery, scattered through the states, would be fine by me. A Navy, OTOH, needs to be there already when it's needed.
"An Army, with a professional NCO corps, can be built virtually overnight."
No, it cannot. One would think that current events alone would have been enough to have prevented that kind of stupid remark from being uttered in the first place.
was done during WW1 and WW2 with pretty good results. The "Volunteer" Army is at best 1-2
Logistics, how hard could they be??
Don’t forget — these chuckleheads believe in miracles.
If you've never heard any conservative dismay over today's large standing Army you haven't been listening.
Bullshit. Some of them may not like foreign entanglements but they sure do like that defence expenditure.
Yes there are people like John Mueller over at Cato - but they tend to be libetarian, hence in principle at least antithetical to conservatism.
This was definitely the founders' philosophy, which was pretty definitively refuted in the War of 1812. If you think the developments of the last 200 years have made reduced the importance of professionalism to an effective military, I'd be happy to hear your evidence.
The US has always had a standing Army. At the time of the Founding, it was used on the borders to deal with Indians/French/Spanish/bandits, etc.
Usually, it was kept small. It isn't, anymore, and perhaps that would dismay them. But nowhere near as much as the restrictions on gun owners, or spread of concealed carry would have.
Actually, you have no f*ing idea what they would think! Y0u have a few words that are being interpreted into an entire philosophy about weapons they could not conceive.
This might surprise you, but the Founders wrote down their thoughts, often quite at length. You can read these papers to learn what they were thinking.
As for "could not conceive", you seem to think that well educated and experienced people from the late 18th century were somehow ignorant barbarians. The knew about electricity. Researchers were discovering and isolating many new elements. They were developing steam engines. They already had breech-loading and semiautomatic rifles, and there were even early models of automatic weapons. They knew what rockets were, and had seen firestorms burn down cities.
Even nukes would not be "beyond their conception" - they knew quite well what explosions were. Simply telling them it was a really big explosions would give them a good understanding - probably a better one they you have.
Unless you are a survivor from Nagasaki or Hiroshima, of course.
They also wrote the 9th.
Something tells me that you've never counted high enough to read it.
The Reverend can get to 21 if he lowers his shorts.
Oh wait, based on the latest (Sealed due to age of victim)Testimony it's more like 20.1
Yes. It's a complete guess. Not random, because you assume they agreed with you, so predictable.
You have no fucking idea what colonial era Americans would have thought about a variety of issues, had they even considered them.
That's one of the idiocies of your version of originalism. You make up what people back then thought, and then act as if we are somehow bound by their ideas.
Here's a clue, Amos. We are not bound by how they would have applied principles to a given situation.
Damn, if they'd only written some of their thoughts down, we might have some clue.
Oh really?
Where did they write their thought on SSM?
Pretty sure Ben Franklin would be open to some S&M
They did write them down. It's called "The Constitution." Check it out!
Lol, you're essentially saying is the entire field of history is a scam.
we have absolutely no idea what hardcore rural conservative christians would think of the drag queen reading hour for little kids. sure whatever you say lol. Why don't we bring pograms and ancient ethnonationalism back? After all we have no idea what the so called victims really thought back then. Maybe they actually enjoyed them and/or would be happy with a modern incarnation thats tweaked enough to be different. Under your theory there are no lessons of history.
No, he's saying YOU don't know or care about actual history, you just make it up in your head so it agrees with you.
What I'm saying is the "history" these justices cite is a scam.
It's made up, out of some cherry-picked sources and the imaginings about a purer, more honest time. Not to mention a touch of old Hollywood movies.
Besides, so what. Why do we care what people in 1792 or 1868 might have thought about things they didn't think about?
I concur. Alito is doing a politics in bad historical drag.
Legit originalists do pretty different analysis than this. I still think they're wrong, but they're putting in work while this opinion looks for evidence that fits it's outcome.
It wasn't originalists who pulled a constitutional right to abortion out of the air.
But it was the originalists who pulled a constitutional right to self-defense out of thin air.
There's not a specific right to breathe either, dumb ass.
You're like a goldfish swimming in a circular argument, each time around having forgotten that he was there before.
It wasn't originalists who pulled a constitutional right to abortion out of the air.
Yes, the originalist project is an explicitly anti-rights political movement.
It was created to provide a plausible reason to attack all the popular rights that arose from the Warren Court.
Much of the majority's reasoning can be used to remove Qualified Immunity: it is not to be found in the Constitution, it is not part of US's tradition or history, the original case was badly decided so stare decisis does not apply.
But getting rid of QI - which would require a modicum of courage from the radical right-wing theocrats on the court - I somehow don't see happing anytime soon.
Getting rid of QI would be courageous, but highly unpopular with the ruling class
Justice Thomas has pointed out several times qualified immunity is a judicial creation with no basis in the constitution and the court should find a suitable case to revisit it.
But don't misunderstand QI, it only provides civil protection, if prosecutors would prosecute bad cops for criminal acts then there would be a lot less focus on QI. But prosecutors are reluctant to prosecute then families sue to get some vindication, then courts invoke QI on the theory they can't do their jobs if they are constantly being sued, a theory that has some merit because there is a pretty low bar for filing a lawsuit.
So civil lawsuits as punishment, and not as compensation for wrongs.
The drumbeat often overlaps this, as rhetoric. Here's a rare case, this should be stopped (because it interferes with lawyers claiming 0.3 x half a million).
First, as Kazinski says, if prosecutors acted you wouldn't need the civil suits.
Second, aren't these kinds of lawsuits supposed to have the beneficial effect of deterring misconduct? Seems like we could use a little more of that.
Justice Thomas has pointed out several times qualified immunity is a judicial creation with no basis in the constitution and the court should find a suitable case to revisit it.
Can you find a recent case where he actually dissents from a QI ruling, however? OR does he just pay lip service to the idea in a concordance? IIRC he was one of the justices who dissented in a case of a man imprisoned in a shit-filled cell for 7 or 8 days where the majority found no QI.
When it comes to courage, he's Sir Robin.
There was no assassination attempt. You can't even tell the truth on an inconsequential op-ed 2 people are going to read.
Except for the assassin outside the justice's house it was totally made up.
Yes, there was an assassination attempt. Someone traveled across the country intending to kill a justice, and he did not abandon the effort until he reached his destination. There was an attempt and a substantial step in furtherance thereof, which is all an attempt requires.
Excuse me. That last sentence should have been there was intent and a substantial step in furtherance thereof, which is all an attempt requires.
In the legal definition of attempt, that's true. In the everyday definition of attempt, there was no assassination attempt.
... which there's a good reason for. If the law used the everyday definition, you'd be guilty of attempt for a while, then no longer guilty if you change your mind. That's sort of weird, so the rule is, once guilty always guilty.
For everyday situations, what matters is if the attempt was actually carried out. You wouldn't say that I attempted to jump over a wall if I took a running start but then chickened out and never jumped. But I would be guilty of attempted wall-jumping.
Do you relish no attempts to assassinate you or your family, according to everyday definitions?
I would much prefer a legal "attempt" to a standard "attempt" if that's what you're asking.
I also very much appreciate your acknowledgement of my importance, in that my slaughter would be classified as an assassination rather than a simple murder.
Just like in the everyday definition of Insurrection, there was no Insurrection.
I'm curious actually...
Merriam-Webster: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government
Seems to fit, but I don't much like the definition.
Cambridge: an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence
Still seems to fit, in fact isn't this what they said they were doing? Also a better definition IMO.
Macmillan: an attempt by a large group of people to take control of their country by force
This is the elementary school definition. Still, not bad. Was the group "large?" I would say so.
Oxford: a violent uprising against an authority or government
This puts a lot of weight on "uprising," so let's see what it has to say about that. Uprising: an act of resistance or rebellion; a revolt
Violence, check. Act of resistance, check.
Four out of four common-usage dictionaries agree, January 6 was an insurrection.
There will be no conviction for attempted murder. So no.
in DC? no way.
Oh wait, Judge K lives in MD,
still no way.
Frank
I'll take you up on that. In fact I'll take plea bargain 2:1.
Prediction: Two SC justices assassinated and seats filled by Biden in first term.
Publicly funded security teams are not an enumerated right
but they are enshrined in laws.
In the hopefully unlikely event that it happened, it would be a classy (and perhaps necessary) move for the President of either party to replace a slain SC justice with that justice’s rough ideological equivalent.
PS. I was going to say a *younger* ideological equivalent, but I realized that would be .. unsound. Best to pick a clone.
Classy but not feasible. McConnell saw to that, creating a precedent to deny Garland a seat and then disregarding that precedent to give Barrett a seat. Republican leadership are for power at all cost; Democratic leadership would be under substantial pressure to take back a seat to even the score and may find themselves in a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation.
The escalation is bad enough that we're past token gestures. If Democrats give, Republicans will take and take and take.
McConnell followed Senate tradition: The party in control of the Senate approves nominees of it's on Party and doesn't when it has the chance to push it off past an election.
The tradition well predated McConnell, dating back to the 19th century, and was well used by both parties.
McConnell followed Senate tradition: The party in control of the Senate approves nominees of it's on Party and doesn't when it has the chance to push it off past an election.
What? Lots of Senates approved nominees of Presidents of the opposite party.
Thomas, Kennedy, Souter, Warren, Brennan, Stewart.
Don't just say stuff.
Right. Since World War II Democratic Senates confirmed Harlan II, Brennan, Whittaker, Stewart, Burger, Blackmun, Powell, Rehnquist as Associate Justice, Stevens, Kennedy, Souter and Thomas -- all nominated by Republican presidents.
Senate denial of an up or down vote to any nominee who wanted such a vote has occurred only twice during that time period -- the Fortas nomination for Chief Justice and Garland.
No vote is actually the #1 way to not make it to the Supreme Court. Go ahead and check the history of all nominees, it's public.
Can't count either I see. Looks like 11 were voted down, and only 8 never got an up / down vote. And half of those did get a procedural vote. Not counting withdrawals, there were only four nominees in the whole of history who never got a vote at all:
1. John M. Read in 1845
2. William C. Micou in 1853
3. Jeremiah S. Black in 1861
4. Merrick Garland in 2016
Are you calling that a tradition? It happened three times over 150 years ago. I guess you weren't lying when you said it "well predated McConnell!"
Interesting tidbit. Do you know the last time a Republican Senate confirmed a Democratic nominee? 1895.
I guess in that sense, McConnell was following tradition.
(Democratic Senates have confirmed 12 Republican nominees since then.)
Sorry, I thought it was understood that I was talking about as an election approaches. Since I mentioned pushing it past the election, and talking about Garland and Barrett.
I'm sorry I used language too complex for you.
Taking you at your word, that was some pretty bad communication there.
To expand on what I was saying, since it seems to have been widely missed:
There have been 16 election year nominations.
In every case where the same party held the Senate and the Presidency, the nomination was confirmed.
In less than half of cases where control differed was the nomination confirmed.
And the first instance of this was in 1844, where the Senate... refused to vote on Tyler's nominee in hopes that their party would win the election.
Sounds like something from 172 years later, doesn't it?
This is disingenuous.
Everyone knew what McConnel did was abuse of advise and consent. Some thought it was justified, but no one thought it was just business as usual.
Getting really specific with the conditions so your sample is very small (1844 as relevant info to today's political norm? GTFO) and then saying it's the norm is rationalization after the fact. And piss-poor political science.
And it's working - you took it as conventional wisdom, so much so that you didn't even need to write the whole thing.
Disingenuous in that it accurately describes history?
Pointing out that it has been happening for 172 years is not relevant because the political issues back then were different?
Tell me, are you familiar with the concept of the "special pleading" logical fallacy?
Sample size IS small, because there haven't been that many Supreme Court nominations total, and only a few of them were in Presidential election years. So? It's the best we've got. You can't get any better because those 16 are the complete list.
If that means what McConnell did was an "abuse" of the Senate's advice and consent, then it is one occurs most of the time, with an almost 200 year history that include multiple parties.
That's not a tradition, as Sarcastr0 points out several counterexamples. That is a lie designed to rhetorically justify a breach of norm.
Toranth, are you always wrong?
It turns out that a fortune teller who's always wrong is just as powerful as one who's always right. We can just know that whatever's the opposite of what you say is the truth.
Not unless it happens before the election because the Dems are losing House and Senate.
Even if it's before then there might be one or two Democrats that don't want to set a precedent on the benefits of political assassinations if Judges.
How many jurists would need to be assassinated to equal the number of targeted killings of abortion providers and clinic personnel by anti-abortion extremists? (Neither is justified.)
Prediction: Sleepy Joe's Aneurysm Clips fail and he pulls an FDR, with Common-Law-Harris-Willie-Brown playing the Truman role. DemoKKKrats suffer massive losses in November, any dead Surpreme positions remain unfilled until January 2025 when President Disanto nominates Ted Cruz to replace Roberts in Chief's position.
Yes, it is indeed red June. The red is for the blood that will be shed as a result of these decisions, whether it be from gunshot victims or clandestine abortions. And, in addition to the Supreme Court, the world of right wing legal apparatchiks like Professor Blackman, who provided the veneer of legal scholarship to red June, also have that blood on their hands.
Which gunshot victims would they be?
Guns are bad because kids die. Abortion though is good because.....oh wait.....
https://reason.com/volokh/2022/06/23/courts-right-to-bear-arms-decision/?comments=true#comment-9557884
Yeah, because letting law abiding people carry firearms leads to more gunshot victims...
AK has been pretty quiet these last few days.....
The word "abortion" does not appear in the Constitution.
That is dispositive for me.
You're against all unenumerated rights?
The following words don't appear in the Constitution: privacy, democracy, economy, love, thought, education, learning, community, Christianity. Probably many more. Yet I would expect my right to at least some things related to these terms to be protected. A lexical argument is a weak one.
Don't forget self-defense!
"The word 'abortion' does not appear in the Constitution."
Neither does the word sterilization. Do you regard Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200 (1927), as having been correctly decided?
Justice Alito in Dobbs and Justice Holmes in Buck each rejected a constitutional right to procreative autonomy. They are morally and jurisprudentially equivalent.
After a generation of liberal idiots, I'm starting to think Buck was on to something....
After many generations of conservative idiots, rather.
Nice one!
Jimmy thinks the Tennessee v. Scopes was correctly decided, so...
Actually, the Supreme Court of Tennessee reversed the defendant's conviction. Scopes v. State, 154 Tenn. 105, 289 S.W. 363 (1927). The majority of the Court upheld the validity of the statute, but reversed because the trial judge imposed a fine of $100 in violation of a state constitutional provision requiring that any fine exceeding $50 could be imposed only by a jury.
Progressive legal realists produced Buck and Roe. They are morally and jurisprudentially equivalent.
Or, over the course of the last week, did Originalism transform itself into a limiting principle rather than a hermeneutic?
Sorry -- yah, boo, what about the emails, pizzeria basement, &c, &c.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDgrTOzmSwc
Mr. D. (or perhaps the next Q.)
"hermeneutic"
Three cheers for the most uncommon word in todya's thread.
It's a great word.
Possibly. I'm still trying to find out what it means.
Mr. D.
Hi crazy commenters. A reminder:
The constitution says *nothing* about abortion.
The way to make abortion a right is to amend the constitution.
Thanks!
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Thanks!
I just checked out the federal constitution. It lists many powers granted to Congress. I see nothing about making abortion illegal.
OK.
Says nothing about AR-15s either. Has to be explicit in the text, no?
No, it doesn't, Idiot.
I mean, at the time of the framing, they had clubs and blunderbusses and knives. Anything else is unoriginal wouldn't you say?
What did abortion techniques look like at the time?
If anyone wants to know which states will prohibit abortion, just find the ranking of states by educational attainment and copy the list of the 20 or 25 with the most ignorant inhabitants.
Carry on, half-educated clingers.
Good thing D.C. isn't a "State" it would totally fuck up your argument.
And I don't get it, "Reverend" Jerry, I thought it was the "Better" side that was going to be replacing the "Klingers"??? Aborted Feti don't really reproduce much, Prison dispensary forget your Namenda today??
Is D.C. no longer the national leader in advanced degrees, or is your comment entirely full of shit?
Smart, educated, accomplished, advanced states are blue states.
Half-educated, bigoted, ignorant, superstitious, can’t-keep-up states are red states.
Similar observations are accurate with respect to conservative schools, organizations, and people.
I see Blackman is here to gloat. I expected nothing less from a professor of law
What's wrong with gloating?
Is it worse than mocking or being condescending toward culture war casualties?
He who gloats last gloats best, as Prof. Blackman and the other clingers are about to learn the hard way.
(And that haircut looks good on him, though.)
Reverend Jerry, the only "Hard Way" you know is when your ("Better") Cell-mate D'oxy'cycline' Neisseria' sticks his (redacted) up your (redacted)
Frank "I can hear your lamentations"
This is actually a good decision. All unenumerated things will eventually have to go. Large capacity magazines. The EPA. The right to vote for women (women are never mentioned in the constitution previously)
Except for that AMENDMENT giving universal suffrage......
Women's suffrage was explicitly considered and rejected in drafting the 15A and thus required another constitutional amendment, which is what abortion rights advocates should get busy doing instead of relying on the ipse dixit of SCOTUS.
The parade of horribles is really going off in the corporate media tonight. Lots of stories about pre-Roe "horrors" (which really how many people are actually alive to tell such stories....most sound completely made up) and lots of predictions of doom for women all around (funny that the left has now re-discovered "women" exist).
I would just like to point out that the people effected directly by abortion don't have the luxury or right to speak about their experience, because THEY ARE DEAD. Not one of these articles points out that a few dozen million babies were murdered by abortion in the last 50 years or that it was impossible to obtain a comment from a baby effected by abortion because they are in a medical waste bin.
Say want you want about the right to choose, but don't pretend like there isn't something else on the other side of the scale balancing the interests here.
You ready to put a woman in prison for having an abortion, Jimmy?
I would hope that just as we expect people to not steal, murder, commit arson, etc. that they will follow the law.
You dodged hobie's question.
Oh, I think he answered it.
Agreed
I can see where you are coming from though. We also expect people to not burn down federal courthouses, loot, vandalize, and commit other crimes but don't hold them accountable for those actions when they happen under particular circumstances because of "reasons"....
I expected such a deflection.
Whenever your ideology counsels you to support heinous shit, you point to some largely made up thing on the left and yell about double standards and evil, and then continue to support that heinous shit unexamined.
The amount your continual anger at stuff that mostly didn't happen is a part of your moral scaffolding is pretty troubling.
Remember that when better Americans dismember gun jittery decisions.
Perfect time for everyone to enact full funding for all pregnancy healthcare, universal childcare so rape victims can get back to work. Full funding for orphanages and adoption centers. Full funding to prosecute the fathers of incest babies. Funding for birth control to prevent abortions. I expect all this happening very soon
I know it would be "big government" but I would be all for having a real public safety net in lieu of abortion. If we, as a society, really have two shits about "life" we wouldn't mind paying tax dollars to support such a system.
Wow, have the Government give free money to Po' Peoples??? (most of whom seem to have enough money for expensive Phones/Tatoos) I don't believe that's ever been done before!
Hobie,
Such legislation would be a great improvement.
In fact, is anyone here able to admit that they approve of sending a woman to prison who gets an abortion. Don't be the c*nts that you are...tell us your honest thoughts. Otherwise say nothing
Who died and made you King, Cunt-Face? (if you're going to say a bad word, say it ) I suspect the State Legislatures (Chosen by the Voters, what a concept!) will decide, personally I'd like to see the Criminal Abortionists "Aborted", you "Terminate" a few (in a perfect world, by the same methods they use on the defenseless) and the wimmin-folk will go to a Baby-Killing-Friendly State,
got that, King-Cunt-Face?
Frank
How are the civility standards you claimed to enforce coming along, Prof. Volokh? Ready to admit your repeated censorship is viewpoint-driven and partisan yet? Or do you prefer to have readers reach the obvious conclusion on their own?
Admit I have mixed emotions,
if you could miraculously resurrect (is there any other type of resurrection?) every aborted Fetus since 1973......
you'd have like 60 million more Black Peoples (assuming 1/2 would be female and do what females tend to do), not saying that's a bad thing, just saying....
Frank "It's already crowded"
So it ain't entirely bigotry you suffer from, Frank. Rank misogyny as well. Like you said we all know what these 30 million black bitches in heat tend to do. You are an example of the consequence of putting people like yourself into power
Hey (Man! HT Sleepy Joe),
You're the one who supports the procedure that resulted(results) in 60 Million Fewer Peoples of Color, (+/- 10 million or so, depending on fertility rates, violent crime death rates etc). There's a word for that, and it rhymes with "Genocide"
I'm against it! I'd love to have 60 million more People's of Color (own lots of KFC/Kool Cigarette/Colt 45(The malt liquor, not the revolver) Stock)
Frank "Against killing babies of any color"
"30 million black bitches in heat"
when you have to play a race card, everyone can see that your argument is weak
Do you wish to try to defend this blog's record on racial issues, Don Nico?
Or are you too smart for that?
In 2-3 hours you'll wake up from your hangover and see what you wrote at 2:47 in the morning knowing you cannot erase it, Frank.
And a cup of black coffee and I'll be sober, but you'll be ugly (and stupid) forever.
From Thomas' concurrence:
[the Supreme Court] “should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell” And though he didn't say it, he meant Loving as well. The irony...
Any of you hayseeds know someone that might affected by this?
Believe it or not, one can believe that anti-miscegenation laws are a bad thing without thinking that the Constitution proscribes them.
So how are bans on all guns in federal buildings, like the post offices, supposed to be judged? There's no standard of review. Are liberal lower court judges just going to point to Kavanagh's "variety of regulation" and rubber stamp basically any challenge that comes before them?
Hypothetically, suppose Thomas dies and is replaced by Biden. Another case comes up, asking the Court to overrule Dobbs. Which way does Roberts vote? Does his commitment to stare decisis mean he upholds Dobbs? That’s what he did in June Medical after dissenting in Woman’s Health. Or does his commitment to stare decisis only go one way?
We'll likely never know.
Biden's more likely to die than Thomas.
A man can only dream. Biden dying would be a great thing for traditional conservatives. Because it would mean that Harris would take over, and show the American people just what angry black women are all about.
Well she's by her own admission only 1/2 Black, so she and Barry Hussein (Peace be upon Him) just barely add up to one Clarence "Frogman" Thomas (Long Life be upon Him)
But I agree, "angry black women" have contributed so much to Amurica, if it wasn't for them, Youtube wouldn't get 1/2 the clicks it does, "Angry Black Women in brawl at Wal-Mart!" "Angry Black Women in brawl at Target! ("Tar-Jay" to the so-fist-o-cated)" "Angry Black Women in brawl at Taco Bell!"
Frank "Stays away from all Black women, angry or not"
Tot he extent I can, I avoid blacks period. You never know when one is going to explode into violence over something stupid. It reminds me of the fable of the frog and the scorpion. Violence, dysfunction and disorder is simply in the African's nature.
Found the abject, unscientific racist bigot.
It looks like you're the one "ignoring the science."
The word “coursge” has been bandied about a little too much. If Mike Pence was a coward, as he was frequently called, I’ll take cowardice over courage any day.