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"A Right to Walk to the Neighborhood Donut Shop" With Genitals Out "Is Absent from Our Traditions of Liberty"
From State v. Geri, decided today by the Arizona Court of Appeals, in an opinion by Presiding Judge Cynthia J. Bailey joined by Judges Peter B. Swann and D. Steven Williams:
Shortly after getting in line at a donut shop in Scottsdale, R. glanced behind her, after noticing her four-year-old child was upset. She saw a white male with a red shirt, red shorts and "a fanny pack" standing in line a few feet behind them. Geri's accessory of choice was not, as it turned out, a fanny pack. Rather, Geri was standing with his "genital area completely exposed." After realizing Geri's state of undress and seeing the shock and confusion on her child's face, R. confronted Geri and asked him why his genitals were uncovered in public. Geri responded that R. "can't tell [him] how to dress." R. took her child away from Geri and hid within the store.
Geri then left the donut shop and began walking along Hayden Road, with "his genitals [] out and his [boxer shorts] actually tucked underneath his testicles." A police officer responded to reports of a man exposing himself and arrested Geri.
Geri was charged with one count of misdemeanor indecent exposure to victim R., and one count of felony indecent exposure to R.'s minor child. R. testified that she and her child were visibly offended by the display. Geri represented himself at trial, testifying that he did, in fact, expose himself to R. and her child, and had walked "with [his] penis out" from roughly the intersection of Scottsdale Road and Thomas Road to the donut shop.
Nonetheless, he contended that his attire choice was "deliberate" and that he "had no intention of offending anyone or acting in an offensive way." Further, he testified that he attempted to defend his "right" when speaking with R. in a "calm and civil manner" notwithstanding her offense at his state of undress. His "sole intention was to exercise a perceived freedom of attire." The jury found Geri guilty on both counts, and Geri was sentenced to three years' probation….
A person commits indecent exposure under Arizona law if he "exposes his … genitals … and another person is present, and the defendant is reckless about whether the other person, as a reasonable person, would be offended or alarmed by the act."
To the extent that certain forms of expression—such as nude dancing—are protected, that protection is only "within the outer ambit" of the First Amendment when presented to a willing audience, rather than an unenumerated right found somewhere in substantive due process under the Fifth or Fourteenth Amendment. A right to walk to the neighborhood donut shop, fly down, is absent from our traditions of liberty…. "[P]ublic indecency—including public nudity—has long been an offense at common law."
Merely "[b]eing in a state of nudity" is not ordinarily expressive conduct entitled to First Amendment protection. Even when nudity is part of expressive conduct the Supreme Court has nonetheless held that states have important interests that can justify incidental restrictions on free expression [citing precedents upholding total bans on nudity, which included nude dancing -EV].
The conduct Geri engaged in is not constitutionally protected. Geri admitted that he "deliberately" walked in public with his penis and testicles exposed. This mere state of undress, without communicative content, is beyond the protections of the First Amendment. Arizona law prohibits the open display of genitals, notwithstanding Geri's choice of attire. A "general prohibition on public nudity"—such as Arizona's—is facially constitutional and was applied appropriately to Geri's conduct….
Geri [also] argues that the State relied solely on his exposure without proving the third element of reckless disregard for whether the other person, as a reasonable person, would be offended or alarmed by the act…. "[T]he relevant question [on appellate review of sufficiency of the evidence] is whether, after viewing the evidence in the light most favorable to the prosecution, any rational trier of fact could have found the essential elements of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt."
Contrary to Geri's contention, reckless disregard does not require "clearly distinct actions like sexual gratification or gratuitous draws of attention." We have expressly rejected the view that the State must present evidence under indecent exposure statute that the defendant acted with a "sexual interest" or was "sexually motivated." … [And a] reasonable person, turning around in a line at a donut shop only to find exposed genitals within an arm's length of their minor child would be both alarmed and offended. That Geri appeared naked in a donut shop after walking down the "second busiest roadway in the city of Scottsdale" and his response to R.'s objection show he was aware of and consciously disregarded the risk that he would alarm or offend others….
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There was a Cheech and Chong skit with the perfect answer to such behavior: (Judge): "Bailiff: Whack his pee-pee"
This came to my mind also!
Or Beavis and Butthead: "Cut off his tweeter"....
But his self-identity requires him to expose his genitals in public. That's a liberty interest acc. to Kennedy.
Wait, so that's the question now? Everything's forbidden (or at least potentially forbidden) unless there's a good reason to allow it?
Yes, a state can criminalize whatever conduct it wants, unless there's something that says it can't.
How did you think it worked, exactly?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_basis_review
Or, if I'm in a more poetic mood:
Art. 5. La Loi n'a le droit de défendre que les actions nuisibles à la Société.
So, did you, you know, actually read your own link there, buddy?
O, yes, I'm still salty about Richard Posner, of all people, upholding the Illinois ban on slaughtering horses for human consumption (but not for making dog food, and in circumstances where eating imported horse meat was perfectly legal).
Did you not realize that there the laws against it already exist? It's more "things that are forbidden remain forbidden unless there's a good reason to allow it."
This would have been considered common-sense law prior to 1973, with the nudity references replaced with abortion references.
The guy should have relied on the seminal case: "Grower v. Shower."
Or he could've waited to do the shirt-cocking routine at Burning Man, where even there it's consider a bit declassé.
My sister did her doctorate at UC Berkeley at the time Naked Guy was there. I guess there is a Time And Place factor here, and things were a bit more accepting in the Bay Area. Still, the guy did end up getting suspended and then expelled for his behavior. (Pro Tip: If you're busted for being naked on campus and you have a disciplinary hearing with a dean; do NOT show up naked to that meeting.)
I think it was a surprise to no one that, several years later, the guy spiraled into severe mental illness, and then killed himself. His was not the behavior of a "normal" guy. (Whatever the hell passes for that in Berkeley, of course.)
Andrew Martinez lived on the same floor as me in our freshman dorm. He was different but awfully nice when I knew him.
Not normal, you’re right about that. I never knew what happened to him. Now I do.
Under my state's law a conviction for indecent exposure requires an effect on an actual person, not a hypothetical reasonable person. It's a misdemeanor if somebody is "offended" and a felony if you cause "alarm or shock".
Even with Minors involved?
I think so but I am not absolutely certain. I do remember a case where the defense attorney pointed out that the charges against his client did not allege that the minor was shocked or alarmed and the prosecutor thought there was no need to make that explicit because of course minors are freaked out by penises. I do not remember who won.
Hey, genitals are icky. At least nobody made him cover the body part that can spread an infectious disease that's killed a million people. That would have been a tyrannical deprivation of liberty and the end of the Republic.
Have you heard of STDs? HIV/AIDS alone has killed 27-48 million according to UNAIDS.
Wow, tightest confidence interval ever. These folks clearly know their stuff!
Point is that Arizona Man did expose a body part that did spread infectious diseases that have killed more than a million people. Maybe he should have worn an M95 around his waist?
Your junk can't spread STDs just hanging there.
(Well... maybe your junk....)
I like to think that my junk is pretty special, so…..
Face Masks Don't Work as Well in the Community as They Do in the Lab
https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2020/11/24/face_masks_dont_work_as_well_in_the_community_as_they_do_in_the_lab_650823.html
Why Masks Work, but Mandates Haven’t
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/31/briefing/masks-mandates-us-covid.html
Nothing works as well in the community as it does in a lab. Idealized contritions vs random conditions and all.
"Idealized contritions vs random conditions and all."
Seems to support the suggestion that nothing works as well in the community as it does in the confessional.
True, but that comment is a banality
This result and the NYT article are no surprise at all. At least several months ago, Oxford University's team that produces "Our World in Data" introduced a "stringency index" to characterize the societal measures taken my governments such as lockdowns of varying rigor, mask mandates, social distancing measures, vaccine mandates etc.
On a nation by nation basis, plotting the stringency index versus case rates, case fatality rates, or hospitalization rates over tens of countries in all parts of the world, one see NO correlation within the statistical error of the national sample.
What the NYT piece tells us is just a partial truth. In other words, it remains complicit in an official deception of the public.
SHUN ICKY.
ICKY should be listed and promulgated. Allow each of choose.
This makes me curious about when courts, which are notoriously conservative about language, began using "donut" rather than the more traditional "doughnut." Not curious enough to look into it, mind you, but it seems unusual that it's become so formalized, unlike similar words (such as "thru" for "through") that were shortened to save money on ads and signs.
Hey, times are hard everywhere. Maybe the court wanted to cut printing costs and save a few drops of precious ink.
If you want to see the comparative usage rates in literature. (Not sure if Ngrams includes court decisions, newspapers, etc...my sense is "no.")
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=donut%2C+doughnut&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cdonut%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cdoughnut%3B%2Cc0#t1%3B%2Cdonut%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cdoughnut%3B%2Cc0
Oops...forgot to mention: What's fascinating to me is that 'doughnut' has enjoyed a healthy lead over "donut" since about 1860. And, had a very large lead as recently as 2012. But, then, over the next 6 years, use of doughnut fell off a cliff, *while* use of donut remained basically level!?! So, it was not that people suddenly started using donut over doughnut. It's that tons of people just stopped saying or writing doughnut, I guess. I am racking my brain, trying to figure out *any* explanation for why use of doughnut should drastically decline while, at the same time, there is no movement (up OR down) in the use of donut.
I hoping that the collective wisdom of the VC readership will come through, and you guys will help me come up with some rational explanation. I need your help! [We'll put aside "wracking" vs "racking" for another day.] 🙂
Just spitballing, but that's around when cell phones became a lot more popular and with it, texting. People could've been texting "donut" a ton because it's shorter and therefore when writing in books it became more popular but the ngrams count doesn't pick up on the texting explosion?
This....texting is bringing about the ruination of grammar. That and public school education...
Texting is bringing about the ruination of public school education?
tk,
No. If so, then the downturn in doughnut would have been matched by an upturn in donut. But as the nGram shows; there was just a drop in the first term. It's like a lot of people, from 2012 to 2018, suddenly decided to stop talking and writing about this particular snack . . . but it was only the "doughnut" segment that stopped talking about it.
As I said before: weird and bemusing.
To answer your conjecture, we'd need to see the demographics of fried dough eaters. my guess is that the distribution is highly skewed to over 40.
Simple santamonica,
when kids prefer texting over writing and when all they can do tap and print, the fewer letters the better.
An actual lexicographer implored me to use spellings like thru. "We need people like you to bring it about."
I hereby extend that invitation to all readers
After the coming civil war or revolution, we can reform the alphabet. Turkey used the fall of the Ottoman Empire to rationalize spelling. The Ottoman Empire used the Arabic script. Vowels were ambiguous or omitted. Consonants were sometimes ambiguous, like the unpronounceable letter ظ in an Arabic word might be pronounced d or z in Turkish. The new alphabet is nearly phonetic.
Sure glad Arizona stepped up and protected those kids from a flaccid penis. Now if AZ and Texas and a number of other states considered swinging an AR-15 out over one's fanny pack was equally dangerous to children, we'd really get somewhere useful.
I am so sorry you are terrified by looking add an inert firearm
Fine with me. I don’t want to look at his junk. Or anyone else’s.
I'd rather look at his rifle, never his gun.
Cuz one is for shootin' the other for fun...
Someone needs to do the right thing.
What would the verdict be in San Francisco?
I think it’s legal to walk around naked in SF, tho I’m inclined to think that those who do are mentally ill bullies who do so for the joy of offending people.
Pretty sure the news clip I saw a day or two ago of a naked guy downtown was shot in SF. Yet another instance of ‘just because it isn’t illegal doesn’t mean it’s ok to do’.
More fun with the ambiguities of language:
"a naked guy downtown was shot in SF." Not much better than being shot in my pajamas.
‘just because it isn’t illegal doesn’t mean it’s ok to do’. True that.
I guess he wasn't too interested in redressing his grievances!
I was more interested in that third element than the constitutional question, too. " the defendant is reckless about whether the other person, as a reasonable person, would be offended or alarmed by the act."
That doesn't ask whether a reasonable person would be offended. It's a mens rea question about the defendant's state of mind. I could see some plausible defenses along the lines of "I think society's moved past the point where casual nudity is offensive, and only a few regressive prudes still think like that"
If he repeat offends in Saskatoon in February, can someone post the video ?
We live during the cooler 6 months of the year about a mile west of Snottsdale Rd, which is on the next section line west of where My Road is. My wife hates it when I call it My Road, esp since she didn’t take my last name (and the ability to claim the road as hers, like I do). She does have a street named after her in, I believe Laufland, NV, by her developer father, but I have towns with my last name in multiple states, including (at this time of year) Idaho next door. I also have an aqueduct running across N PHX and Snottsdale with my last name on it. It brings water from the CO River through PHX on the way to Tucson.
Ok, I admit that Hayden Road in Snottsdale and the Hayden-Rhodes Aqueduct were named after AZ Senator Carl Hayden, while Hayden, ID (and probably CO) was named after explorer Ferdinand Hayden. It’s the thought that counts. And getting points on my wife.
Oh, and Snottsdale, that I wander into almost daily, is normally fairly sane. Parts are very wealthy. But mostly, it seems to be people who want to be thought rich, but really aren’t. When I first moved to the area, a Snottsdale zip code added 20% or so to the price of a house, which is why we live just west of the city line, in PHX, as do most of the North Snottsdale luxury car dealers, Whole Foods, etc. Also, the local Mayo Clinic (which we are now calling the Four Seasons Mayo after my spending several days there in April, due to their excellent room service).
From America’s Paper of Record: Conservatives Call For Return To Traditional Strip Clubs With No Kids Or Drag Queens. (https://babylonbee.com/news/conservatives-call-for-return-to-traditional-strip-clubs-with-no-kids-or-drag-queens)
Thanks, Bin Laden!
Just trying to restrict his bodily autonomy and the right to control his reproductive health...
Did the geri guy leave the donut shop before purchasing his donut?
Had he purchased donuts at that shop before while wearing the same outfit? Does the geri guy have a history of being nuts?
Which portions of the sentence were for the felony vs misdemeanor convictions? When the geri guy gets out will he have to register as a perv? Did he ever previously register as a perv?
I could have sworn that was in the Magna Carta.
This is what comes of plastic bag bans.
How ELSE was he supposed to get half a dozen donuts home?
"what comes of plastic bag bans."
Indeed that is the tragedy of San Francisco
So indecent exposure is still against the law when walking in a public store or on the street.
However, Geri can personally identify as a woman, expose his junk to women and girls in public showers and locker rooms, and there's nothing the police can do, right?