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Justice Sotomayor Criticizes The "Restless and Newly Constituted Court"
This claim brings to mind Justice Stevens' dissent from Citizens United.
Today, the Supreme Court decided Egbert v. Boule. Justice Thomas's majority opinion reversed the Ninth Circuit's decision, which approved Bivens claims under the First and Fourth Amendments. The Court applied something of a rational-basis test to determine whether a new Bivens cause of action should be implied.
The Bivens inquiry does not invite federal courts to independently assess the costs and benefits of implying a cause of action. A court faces only one question: whether there is any rational reason (even one) to think that Congress is better suited to "weigh the costs and benefits of allowing a damages action to proceed." Ziglar, 582 U. S., at ___ (slip op., at 12).
Here, the Court expands on Ziglar v. Abbasi. This 2018 decision split 4-2. Justices Sotomayor, Kagan, and Gorsuch were recused. Still, Justice Kennedy's plurality opinion largely closed the door on Bivens claims. But now, Egbert, with six votes strong, slams that door shut. And Justice Gorsuch would shred the door in a wood chipper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs3kl3vfX0Q
Justice Sotomayor dissented in part, joined by Justices Breyer and Kagan. She criticized the Court for departing from Ziglar. And she does so in a very personal fashion:
If the legal standard the Court articulates to reject Boule's Fourth Amendment claim sounds unfamiliar, that is because it is. Just five years after circumscribing the standard for allowing Bivens claims to proceed, a restless and newly constituted Court sees fit to refashion the standard anew to foreclose remedies in yet more cases. "
There are two separate barbs there. First, she charges that the reason why the Ziglar standard was "refashioned" was because of the "newly constituted Court." That is, Justices Kennedy and Ginsburg were replaced by Justices Kavanaugh and Barrett. This claim brings to mind Justice Steven's dissent from Citizens United:
In the end, the Court's rejection of Austin and McConnell comes down to nothing more than its disagreement with their results. Virtually every one of its arguments was made and rejected in those cases, and the majority opinion is essentially an amalgamation of resuscitated dissents. The only relevant thing that has changed since Austin and McConnell is the composition of this Court.
Second, Sotomayor charged that her new colleagues are young and "restless." Still this personalized rhetoric from Justice Sotomayor, especially at this time, is misplaced. Bivens has been subject to withering criticisms for decades. And Hernandez sent a very, very clear message that Courts should be really, really cautious about Bivens claims. Yet the Ninth Circuit did not get the memo. Now, the Supreme Court was compelled to say, "We really, really mean it" in language that not even the ghost of Stephen Reinhardt could ignore. This Court is not "restless."
Ultimately, this decision was not terribly surprising. And Justice Thomas's opinion leaves open the question of whether Bivens will be overruled entirely in an appropriate case:
And, more recently, we have indicated that if we were called to decide Bivens today, we would decline to discover any implied causes of action in the Constitution. See Ziglar, 582 U. S., at ___ (slip op., at 11). But, to decide the case before us, we need not reconsider Bivens itself. Accordingly, we reverse the judgment of the Court ofAppeals.
I think the vehicle would have to present the same exact claim present in Bivens or a related case, rather than a question about extension.
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Ultimately, this decision was not terribly surprising.
Well no, obviously not. With 6 conservative justices anything that smacks of a constraint on the government is going out the window.
Not when there are seven justices ready to relegate the obsolete right-wingers to authoring blistering, inconsequential dissents.
Majority, mainstream rule. Culture wars have consequences.
Marrinned "Ultimately, this decision was not terribly surprising.
"Well no, obviously not. With 6 conservative justices anything that smacks of a constraint on the government is going out the window."
Like the unrestrained gov action in Kelo or unrestrained preferred Gov preferred by the dissent in CU
You're right, I was too hasty. I should have said: "anything that smacks of a constraint on the government to do things that conservatives like is going out the window".
That's fair, and with a 'liberal' majority anything that smacks of constraint on the government to do things 'liberals' like would be going out the window, instead.
Well, when that happens, you can complain. But in the instant case, as I commented on another article here, "Does anyone think it took Thomas et al longer than about 5 minutes to decide that as Boule is a scumbag motel owner and Egbert a decent upstanding BP agent, Boule can't sue Egbert and fuck Bivens?"
Well, its pretty clear Boule is a scumbag. Smuggler and stool pigeon.
The only question really considered, is whether they could fit a piece of paper between the facts of this case and those of Bivens, or whether they would have to overrule Bivens completely.
"With 6 conservative justices anything that smacks of a constraint on the government is going out the window."
"Like the unrestrained gov action in Kelo or unrestrained gov action preferred by the dissent in CU"
"You're right, I was too hasty. I should have said: 'anything that smacks of a constraint on the government to do things that conservatives like is going out the window'."
So, let's see. According to your theory, liberals like (1) government taking someone's property, (2) government censorship. Checks out.
(Speaking for myself, while I don't necessarily "like" use of excessive force by government agents, I am inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.)
You are the past. You will not like the future.
I'm certainly willing to give government agents the presumption of innocence, just like anybody else. But
unqualified immunity goes way beyond that, creating an essentially unrebuttable presumption of innocence. More of a presumption of so what?That’s your big takeaway, huh? Cool cool.
Unrelated, you make your students read these posts, don’t you?
You've just shown you aren't one of his students. So what is your excuse for reading stuff you detest so much?
There are a lot of you Josh-bashers who nevertheless read what you consider trash just so you can signal your anti-Josh virtue to each other. It would be interesting to know what your secret handshake is and what kind of funny hat you wear.
Wait til he gets his federal court nomination next GOP president.
Love it when judges don’t understand attorney client privilege.
While Trump certainly put a couple of clunkers on the bench, even he didn't go anywhere near Blackman grade. And any other plausible GOP candidate seems even more likely to take judgeships seriously.
The idea that the GOP is going to give a federal judgeship in Houston to a dude from second rate schools who teaches at a fourth rate school and has the hair he does is pretty funny. Despite the pretenses to populism...they love elite credentials and cultivating a conservative masculine look.
fourth rate school and has the hair he does is pretty funny
#StopHatingMullets
Despite the pretenses to populism...they love elite credentials and cultivating a conservative masculine look.
Masculine? Clearly your gaydar needs to be calibrated
"has the hair he does"
He will get a haircut before his hearing.
Drew Barnett Tipton appointed by Trump to the Southern District of Texas got his JD at South Texas College of Law. He does have nice hair.
That dude also managed to become a partner at Baker.
Does it hurt when you move a goal post?
No. Because we're discussing credentials. Tipton has a real one....Blackman is meh on that.
Saying being a Big Law partner is a "real one" while ignoring every credential JB has is silly.
You mock where JB teaches but that is literally where Tipton went to law school.
Right. The lawyers who come out of those schools are fine (often better than ones from fancy schools because a lot of their professors are or were actual practitioners!). Whereas the professors seeking the full professor lifestyle there are kind of jokes comparatively.
Does Texas have elected "judges"? If so, he could always run for a seat on one of Texas's supreme courts. (That's the only thing I know about the Texas judiciary, that they have two supreme courts.)
"anywhere near Blackman grade"
George Mason is [contra LTG] not "second rate" [#30 in US News] and he had two federal clerk-ships. He's active in the conservative legal community and has published a fair amount, been cited etc.
His credentials are well within the range of most nominees.
Hilarious.
What would be the net effect on that doorway?
"What would be the net effect on that doorway?"
In the movie, shredding means it can no longer be used by the monster to enter the kid's room.
Yes, I didn't entirely follow that metaphor either.
It is unfortunate that there exists no cause of action against a rogue Federal Agent. I would hope that this six-member majority would note that there *is* a cause of action against a rogue State Agent, and according to the statute written by Congress, it has no qualified or absolute immunity defense available.
Just on observation - the last time I saw a lot of snippy comments directed at other justices was in the 5-6 opinions issued in June 2012 just before NFIB v S was issued.
Seems to be similar signs of snipping between justices.
The Unwise Latina should make a macro with that phrase. She will use it a lot I hope.
Always the best brains come in with the namecalling.
Until they realize that there is no remedy when federal agents start seizing firearms. (Keep in mind if the seizure is itself illegal, then there is no remedy under the "takings clause.")
Then they will quickly create a new context for Bivens.
Well, there is one remedy. It has nothing to do with the supremes.
There is a similar rule about not finding implied causes of action or remedies in statutory cases. Yet three Trump appointees on the Fifth Circuit have decided that Title VII makes preliminary injunctive relief available for when private employers impose vaccine mandates and the plaintiff says it burdens their religion.
So I would not be surprised at all if lower courts and eventually the Supreme Court will find some kind of implied right of action under the Second Amendment or the Free Exercise Clause if they need to.
Completely hypothetical hypocrisy is the most egregious kind.
"In the end, the Court's rejection of Austin and McConnell comes down to nothing more than its disagreement with their results."
How exactly is thinking a precedent wrong NOT a reasonable basis for overturning it? This objection is incoherent on its face. It isn't correcting mistakes that needs explaining, it's refraining from correcting mistakes!
Because stare decisis is and always has been a part of our legal system. It is in fact one of the core aspects of a common law system. Judges, and the people, since the founding have understood that precedents are to be followed unless a strong reason to overturn. Simple disagreement has never been enough. If it was there would be no such thing as settled law. No question is even answered, it is only answered in that given case. That is not and has never been our judicial system. It is actually rather hypocritical for originalist judges to be so against stare decisis as that basis is as originial as it comes.
"precedents are to be followed unless a strong reason to overturn."
"Simple disagreement has never been enough."
Look, there's simple disagreement on judgement calls, and a belief that a ruling is just wrong. If the latter weren't a cause for overturning decisions, we could save a lot on the legal system by not having "appeals".
The fact is that judges don't swear an oath to uphold precedent, they swear an oath to uphold the Constitution. If these goals fall into conflict, they are oath bound to go with the Constitution.
No matter how much liberals want their victories to be engraved in stone, and the right's victories to be written in sand.
This isn't about right left. I'm on the right judicially, and originalist, and tend libertarian politically but believe stare decisis is damn important. And if you want to do what you're suggesting the same would hold true for the opinions you hold dear. Goodbye Heller, Goodbye Citizens United, Goodbye First Amendment protects for "hate speech." Arguing that something is unconstitutional based on precedent would be completely irrelevant if precedent is irrelevant.
There isn't an administrable line between I don't agree and wrong, with the possible exception for the things no one can disagree on like the age requirements. Especially since to say there is constitutionalizes a person's interpretative philiosophy which isn't part of the constitution itself.
Appeals aren't about overturning precedent and you know that.
And I believe that stare decisis can't be more than a tie-breaker, and MUST always fall if the existing precedent is contrary to the Constitution, or else you're not upholding the Constitution anymore.
"Goodbye Heller, Goodbye Citizens United, Goodbye First Amendment protects for "hate speech.""
That's hilarious. You know as well as anyone that the 'liberal' justices will throw stare decisis to the winds if they have the votes to overturn Heller or CU. This is about demanding the conservatives follow a principle the liberals reject, so that liberal victories will, (as I said above) be engraved in stone, and conservative victories written in the sand.
Asked and answered many times. "It's wrong" is a necessary condition, but it is by no means a sufficient one.
How exactly is thinking a precedent wrong NOT a reasonable basis for overturning it?
Having the humility to realize that thinking something doesn't mean it's true time.
This is what Prof. Volokh wanted this white, male, right-wing blog to become, so he invited Prof. Blackman (and chased away a couple of the more serious, less polemical Conspirators).
This is also why several strong law faculties wish a few of the Volokh Conspirators would expand their employment horizons.
As always, interpretive methods are about values. And if you choose the method that lets government agents commit brutal acts of violence against people without any accountability, that’s an expression of your values. And those values are awful. If anything Sotomayor is too kind. “Cruel, heartless, sadistic, and depraved” are more accurate descriptors of the majority position than “restless.” And when they just totally overturn Bivens, they’re just acting from those dark impulses that protect the powerful and violent at the expense of the people.
So you weren't arrested in front of Kav's home. Good to know.
This is a very weak joke attempt given my obvious antipathy to guns and violence. It is also highly inconsistent with your characterization of me as a "moral scold" (which contains the concession that I am a moral person). Since I am a "moral scold" (i.e. a moral person who scolds you for your obvious lack of morality) it should be obvious that I am against murdering anyone since that is gravely immoral.
Government appointee rules in favor of government not being accountable, news at 11. I am disappointed, but hardly shocked.
Mind, it would be almost trivially easy for Congress to drop their efforts to attack the 2nd amendment for a day or two, and create a statutory basis for Bivens. Which the Court would have no basis at all for ignoring.
So, why the hell don't they? Not worth their precious time?
There aren't enough Republicans willing to legislate these days. They're all running around trying to out conspiracy each other in order to gain favor with the MAGAts. You need 10% of the GOP to sign on to something to override the inevitable filibuster.
You think Democrats would be on board for it? I'm doubtful.
I find this whole thing distasteful. Thomas literally said that the Bill of Rights is meaningless unless Congress, part of the government supposedly bound by it, acts to make it enforceable. So Congress can just choose not to be bound by it, and not act. The whole point of rights guarantees is that their existence is not subject to the discretion of the government, and SCOTUS just turned that on its head. I'd like an originalist explanation for that.
Isn't the real problem that there are too many Republicans who are happy with it? Remember, Trump thought it was a brilliant idea to order soldiers to commit war crimes, and told police to rough people up and hit their heads on police cars. To the cheers of MAGA. And the most the MAGA-adjacent crowd could do was pretend he was joking.
"Anyone who disagrees with me is making a bad faith effort to hide their true evil" doesn't look any better on you than it does on Bob from Ohio or Brett Bellmore.
They're not trying to hide anything. These are their values that are out in the open. They manifestly suck and are opposed to most conceptions of human morality. They are completely unconcerned with our duties to others. They are extremely weak on utilitarian grounds too (I mean how is the greatest happiness for the greatest number achieved by barring remedies for illegal violence committed by federal agents?). It's not really supported by any religious conviction. And I don't even know how it fits into some kind of Randian Egoism.
It comes from a place of cruelty and heartlessness that is manifestly evident. The same place that says its better to execute an innocent person than let litigation drag on. There's no other content besides cruelty here. Again: these are choices they make. Choices come from values.
And I don't need to "look" any better than them. I don't care how I look. What matters is that I actually AM better than them. My values are obviously better and more consistent with human happiness than theirs are.
I actually AM better than them.
LTG has entered the Kirkland Zone.
It doesn't fit into a Randian rights framework at all, to answer your unstated question.
interpretive methods are about values
But not *only* about values (e.g. outcomes.) As Breyer says, you cannot ignore the implications of your rulings, but that's not all there is to the law.
Process ins institutions have value themselves.
AFAIC if the Constitution recognises certain rights, yet you rely on Congress to provide any remedy, absent which you have no remedy for an infringement of those rights, the rights are meaningless.
"You have the right not to be beaten up by a government agent but if you are beaten up, yeah well, sux2bu".
Or are we allowed to use "2A solutions" in such cases? I suspect not.
"beaten up "
Pushed.
Assuming he was telling the truth, which is highly unlikely IMHO.
You know, I was thinking about substantively engaging with you until I got to this part. That is the position of precisely no one, and you know that.
If you ever decide to actually try to understand people who disagree with you instead of preening about your superiority over the moustache-twirling cartoon villains of your imagination, let me know.
That is the position of precisely no one, and you know that.
I think he is merely being logical. If someone holds to position X and a logical consequence of X is Y, then it is reasonable to suggest that they hold to position Y as well.
Perhaps no-one has explicitly said "better to execute the innocent than let litigation drag on" but after Rehnquist said that there was no constitutional impediment to the execution of an innocent person, then from the AEDPA with its supplied rationales, from every right-wing judge who talks of closure, from every AG who resists DNA testing of possibly exculpatory evidence, the inarguable foreseeable effect and consequence is the execution of innocents, for that very reason of litigation not dragging on.
It's also expressly stated in the footnote in Shinn v. Ramirez that they want to terminate this litigation.
This is exactly their position. Read Shinn again, particularly the footnote. Here, I'll quote it:
"Ramirez alleges that Arizona forfeited any §2254(e)(2) argument
in his case because it did not object to some evidentiary development in the District Court or before the Ninth Circuit panel. But Arizona did object to further factfinding before the Ninth Circuit panel, see Respondents-Appellees’ Answering Brief in Ramirez v. Ryan, No. 10–99023 (CA9), ECF Doc. 37, p. 58, and, in any event, the Ninth Circuit passed upon §2254(e)(2) when it ordered additional factfinding on remand, see United States v. Williams, 504 U. S. 36, 41 (1992). Further, because we
have discretion to forgive any forfeiture, and because “our deciding the matter now will reduce the likelihood of further litigation” in a 30-yearold murder case, Polar Tankers, Inc. v. City of Valdez, 557 U. S. 1, 14 (2009) (plurality opinion), we choose to forgive the State’s forfeiture before the District Court."
They forgave the state's forfeiture of arguments in a capital case for the express purpose of helping to terminate litigation, despite substantial evidence that the defendant has to offer of his innocence that was not developed in the courts below due to ineffective assistance.
Sometimes the villains are twirling their mustache, dude. You're just too committed to formalism and the idea that the law is some separate field of logical and objective inquiry to see it.
If it violates Separation of Powers for the Supreme Court to craft a remedy, how does one explain the Suspension Clause?
If a positive act of Congress is required to authorize remedies, if federal courts cannot issue remedies on their own authority, then why does it appear to suggest the opposite, that it requires a positive act of Congress to suspend habeas corpus? Habeas corpus is a remedy.
Could someone direct me toward a libertarian -- or often libertarian, or libertarianish, or anything with more than two percent libertarian content -- that might provide some discussion of this decision from something other than a right-wing, authoritarian perspective?
Thanks (if there is another libertarian here who might be in a position to provide an informed response).
Kind of amazing how entitled Mr. Man here feels to lecture a justice about her peers.
I wonder where such confidence that he understands the dynamics better than someone on the bench comes from.
He’s an immature clown who has turned this white, male, right-wing blog into a circus.
Although I don’t recall that he uses vile racial slurs nearly as much as the other leading Conspirator. He deserves credit for that.
Josh is so intent on bitching about Justice Sotomeyer that I guess he "forgot" that libertarians used to be AGAINST arbitrary abuses of government power. The VC is "frequently libertarian"? Perhaps "worshipful of authority" might be more apropos.