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Being Alert to the Slippery Slope Risk + Constitutions as Tools for Preventing Slippery Slope Inefficiency
[This month, I'm serializing my 2003 Harvard Law Review article, The Mechanisms of the Slippery Slope; in last week's posts, I laid out some examples, definitions, and general observations, and turned to a specific kind of slippery slope mechanism—cost-lowering slippery slopes. This week, I've been elaborating on that; tomorrow, I'll shift to some other related mechanisms.]
The analysis so far suggests that decisionmakers—legislators, voters, advocacy groups, or opinion leaders—should consider how proposed government actions would change the costs of implementing future actions, in particular:
- How would this government action provide more information to the government (for example, who owns the guns), and what other actions (for example, seizing the guns) would be made materially cheaper by the availability of this information?
- How would this government action provide more tools to the government (for example, video cameras), and what other actions (for example, automated face recognition or videotape archiving) would be made cheaper by the existence of these tools?
- How would this government action provide more experience to the government in doing certain things, and what other actions would this extra experience make less risky and thus more politically appealing?
- How would this government action provide more legal power to the government (for example, the power to search people's homes), and what other actions would this extra grant of power make possible or make easier?
Opponents of B thus can't simply console themselves with the possibility that a line between A and B can logically be drawn, dismiss the slippery slope concern as being that "we ought not make a sound decision today, for fear of having to draw a sound distinction tomorrow," or argue that
[s]omeone who trusts in the checks and balances of a democratic society in which he lives usually will also have confidence in the possibility to correct future developments. If we can stop now, we will be able to stop in the future as well, when necessary; therefore, we need not stop here yet.
There's a different "we" involved: those who support A but oppose B should fear that if they vote for A now, such a vote may lead others to vote for B later—and that though a logical line could be drawn between A and B (yes cameras, no archiving, no face recognition), most voters will decide to draw the line on the far side of B rather than on the near side. Even those who generally trust that their society is democratic can therefore rationally oppose a decision that they like on its own, for fear that it will lower the cost of another decision that they dislike and thus make that decision more likely.
And the examples we've discussed illustrate something I call "the slippery slope inefficiency": even if most voters believe decision A (for example, gun registration) is good policy on its own, A may be rejected because enough of those voters fear that A will lead to B (gun prohibition), which they oppose. {Even some gun rights supporters, for instance, might (whether or not correctly) think that registration may help solve some crimes without materially burdening people's ability to defend themselves, so long as registration doesn't lead to confiscation. But especially given that the crime-fighting effects of registration systems seem to be quite modest, even a small possibility that registration may facilitate confiscation could reasonably lead gun rights supporters to oppose registration.}
And the examples point to one possible way of preventing the inefficiency: the recognition of constitutional rights that would prevent B, such as a non-absolute right to own guns. Once this constitutional precommitment makes B much less likely, opponents of B have less to fear (to the extent they trust the courts) and can therefore support A or at least oppose it less.
Constitutional constraints are thus not only legislation-frustrating (because they prohibit total bans on guns), but also in some measure legislation-facilitating (because some voters may support more modest gun controls, once they stop worrying that these controls will lead to a total ban). Changing a constitution to secure a right may therefore sometimes be good both for those who want to moderately protect the right and for those who want to moderately restrict it—though naturally much depends on how broad the right would be, and on how much political power the various groups have.
On the other hand, as we'll discuss soon, a constitutional right may also have attitude-altering effects that help cause slippage to greater and greater protection for the right. Judicial recognition of a right to bear arms may thus facilitate some compromise gun control proposals (A) because it will diminish some voters' concerns that A will lead to a total gun ban (B)—but recognizing the right to bear arms might eventually lead to A being undone, and to the law shifting back closer to the initial position 0, as judges or voters are influenced by the attitude-shaping force of the constitutional right. The long-term effects of any decision are not easy to predict, though understanding the slippery slope mechanisms should help us investigate the likelihood of such effects.
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"the recognition of constitutional rights that would prevent B, such as a non-absolute right to own guns."
I have not the slightest idea why you thought that "non-absolute" was necessary there. Seriously, the only people in gun control debates I see going on about the right "not being absolute" are people who favor it being practically nonexistent.
Just like the only people who go on and on about free speech not being "absolute" are apologists for censorship.
"Constitutional constraints are thus not only legislation-frustrating (because they prohibit total bans on guns)"
That "total" is also disturbing. So, anything short of total would be constitutionally OK, you think? It's not total bans we're worried about, the right will essentially be worthless far short of "total", and "infringed" and "utterly annihilated" do not mean the same thing.
You do understand that, right? That "infringed" and "utterly annihilated" are not the same thing?
Here is a slippery slope for the dipshit lawyer. Government is a wholly owned subsidiary of the failed, toxic, rent seeking, criminal cult enterprise, the lawyer profession. It went from controlling 5% of the GDP for decades. During that time, the economy and power of the United States soared and became unchallengeable. Now, they control 95% of the economy either outright or through quack, unproven, toxic regulation. Now, the US has an anemic growth rate, is being challenged by a Commie economy and military, is riddled with massive social pathology, and is becoming a failed state.
If one could get rid of all immunities for stupid government agencies, including legislatures, courts, and responsible executive branch officials, the public would be re-assured about recourse when damage come from sliding down the slippery slope. Go too far, hurt people. Pay big time.
Brett, you're either not paying attention or you're being deliberately disingenuous. There is no such thing as an absolute right. None. Free speech does not include me shouting under your bedroom window with a bullhorn at 2AM. Religious freedom does not include hijacking airplanes and flying them into buildings. The right to a trial by jury does not encompass a five dollar dispute. The right to not incriminate yourself does not include refusing to file your taxes if your income came from criminal activity. There just isn't any such thing as a right that it absolute, no exceptions.
As for your statement that people who acknowledge the Second Amendment not being absolute are people who favor it being practically non-existent, please stop with that nonsense. I don't favor gun confiscation but I don't think the Second Amendment is absolute either, which also happens to be the position of most Democrats. Sure you can find exceptions.
At least try to honestly engage the arguments. Otherwise, your fingers might get burned when all that straw catches fire.
OF COURSE there's no such thing as an absolute right. EVERYBODY knows that, it goes without saying. Literally goes without saying.
Which is why the only people who harp on rights not being absolute are people who mean to contract them. Which was my point.
It's telling people, "Don't worry about that slippery slope, it's not infinitely deep."
No, the reason it's being said is I'm seeing plenty of NRA people on TV claiming that the right is absolute. And it's the logical fallacy of the false alternative: Absolute rights, and total confiscation, are not the only two options here.
Plenty of people are passionate defenders of what they believe the Constitution to be. That doesn't change what the Constitution is, was intended to be, and indeed functionally *has* to be. You haven't gone to law school, but you've been around here long enough to see that functional baseline requirement is a thing for all rights, as has anyone who thinks about this for a moment.
The 1A allows time place and manner restrictions. The 2A is likewise not going to be what you think it is.
I'd also recommend you look up what 'right' meant at the Founding. It's actually a lot *less* robust than a right now.
"I'd also recommend you look up what 'right' meant at the Founding. It's actually a lot *less* robust than a right now."
OK, first off, remember that until the 14th amendment was ratified, the 2nd amendment only applied to the federal government, it was irrelevant to state actions. And, since the federal government had next to no interest in violating that particular right, there's basically no 2nd amendment precedent one way or another from that era.
IOW, you'd be talking about what the right meant under STATE constitutions.
That aside, less robust in some ways, more robust in others. No licensing, no background checks, you could own anything up to and including ships' cannon, there wasn't any distinction between civilian and military arms. (In fact, that distinction didn't appear until the early 20th century, when the federal government DID get interested in gun control.)
OTOH, more local restrictions on where you could carry, certainly. And if you did carry, it was almost certainly open carry, not concealed.
KryKry. You are saying, speech cannot be part of a crime. The bullhorn at 2 AM is a crime. Add conspiracy, and solicitation. No problem. However, that is not the point Brett is making. You know what he is talking about. You want to suppress dissent from your sicko big government tyranny. You are all imitators and servants of the Chinese Commie Party. Why? You kowtow. You want to enrich yourself by access to their markets, you Dems and the tech billionaire owners of the media and of the Dem Party.
"Just like the only people who go on and on about free speech not being 'absolute' are apologists for censorship."
Wow, news to me that Prof. Volokh is an apologist for censorship.
None of the rights are absolute - and you know this.
I know that, you know that, Volokh knows that, any random person you might collar on the street knows that. There are probably smarter parrots that know that.
Which is what makes going out of your way to unnecessarily mention it a tell.
Like noting that constitutional rights prohibit total bans. Which implies that anything short of total might actually be alright.
Does the 1st amendment prohibit a total ban of religious exercise? A total ban on speaking and publishing? A total ban on assembly and petition? Sure, but who'd ever put it that way? Who'd ever think that putting it that way would be reassuring?
Well, there is the Alito view that so long as abortion restrictions weren't a total ban they didn't violate Roe or Casey.
Maybe the prof has covered this in some other post, but the big issue is the Danegeld problem. You can't 'buy off' the proponents of B by with A. The proponents be back again tomorrow, demanding B... and, once you concede A, it will be much harder to form a coherent argument against B.
That's hardly a defense, since the line was actually that you couldn't falsely cry fire in a crowded theater.
Yes, well, I actually once had a client who had been indicted for tax fraud. He wanted me to argue that since filling out tax forms is required by law, it is compelled speech. Therefore, introducing them as evidence would violate his Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination.
I did not make that argument.
No, it's suggestive about understanding the meaning of "infringed", which as I point out, does not mean "utterly abolished".
Like the 1st amendment, whose absolutist language certainly suggests that Congress can't enact on the topic of speech at all, but which has been softened a bit to allow for libel laws, the 2nd amendment sets up a presumption against all laws interfering with gun ownership, but that presumption is, with difficulty, rebuttable. But only to a limited extent, the right is violated far short of the point of a total ban.
My point here is that the opponents of gun control are not going to be in any way relieved by being told that total bans are off the table. Even machine guns aren't totally banned, would I laugh off 9mm pistols being treated the same way?
Note, of course, that the RKBA isn't in any way at all relevant to whether you can use guns to commit acts like robbery or murder, which are crimes regardless of the means employed. What it's relevant to is just exactly "keeping", ownership, and "bearing", carrying about. Not the actual use.
I think this logic cuts against you in a pretty bad way. Because it should apply to arms generally, which logic allows a particular kind of arm like 9mm pistols to be utterly banned without infringing on the general right to arms.
I don't agree with this logic, and I don't think you do either. But the right applying separately firearm class-by-firearm class is also clearly wrong.
Undue burden or reasonable restrictions seem a much better moderating ticket, being a justification-based regime rather than a total restriction level-based regime.
"I think this logic cuts against you in a pretty bad way. Because it should apply to arms generally, which logic allows a particular kind of arm like 9mm pistols to be utterly banned without infringing on the general right to arms."
That's exactly the logic I'm rejecting by saying that a right is "infringed" far sort of the point where its exercise is totally banned.
What I'm saying is that you have to look at the 2nd amendment more like the 1st: Both are written in absolutist terms, both are understood to permit some degree of regulation. But regulation of speech is, in current practice, enormously more restrained than regulation of gun ownership.
No licenses. No background checks. No prior restraint. Actual restraints have to be very, very solidly justified, on the basis of actual, not hypothetical, harm.
We might restrict the 1st amendment exercise of a convicted felon, if relevant to the crime, but we NEVER require a citizen to demonstrate that they are not so restricted in order to exercise the right, we just penalize the felon after the fact if they're caught.
That, in fact, is the general way speech and press are regulated: We wait for the harm, then punish that, never prohibit exercise to prevent harm.
Your parallel to the speech doesn't make a rights regime as favorable as you like.
Forum analysis. Fighting words. Time/place/manner. Commercial speech doctrine. Defamation. Obscenity. There are *lots* of speech restrictions based on lots of different balanced concerns.
And that doesn't count the rest of the 1A. Free exercise; endorsement test; 14A-based restrictions like public accommodations and nondiscrimination laws.