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Slippery Slope June
How should we think about slippery slope arguments, whether they come from liberals or conservatives or libertarians or anyone else?

Some online discussions recently reminded me of The Mechanisms of the Slippery Slope, an article I published in 2003 in the Harvard Law Review. Slippery slope arguments are often made, quite categorically, as if saying "slippery slope" is enough to resolve an issue; but they are also often rejected, quite categorically, often with claims that they are outright fallacies. I think the matter is more complicated, in part because there are multiple mechanisms through which slippage can happen (and through which it can be resisted); and I thought I'd therefore serialize the article in some blog posts over the coming few weeks.
I think that might be particularly helpful now. The seemingly impending rejection of a constitutional right to abortion is likely to lead to many proposed restrictions in various states and in Congress. Many of the arguments about those restrictions will likely focus on the specific substance of the restrictions on their own terms—but many, especially ones that seem modest on their own, will lead to arguments that these are just the first steps down a slippery slope.
I expect we'll likewise see more such arguments with regard to proposed gun restrictions. And of course the arguments are commonly made with regard to new forms of surveillance, new forms of economic regulation, and indeed new forms of deregulation.
Slippery slope arguments aren't exclusive to liberals or conservatives, though different groups tend to deploy them as to different matters. Rather, they can be made with regard any sort of change, whether to the left, to the right, or elsewhere. My posts will use examples from a variety of areas, though chiefly as to abortion, free speech, guns, and privacy, which are areas I've focused on more; but my goal will be to analyze such arguments generally, and not call for any particular policy results.
I will define slippery slopes broadly, to cover all situations where decision A, which you might find appealing (or at least not highly objectionable), ends up materially increasing the probability that others will bring about decision B, which you oppose. I recognize that there are many ways this could happen (hence the plural "Mechanisms"). But if you are faced with the pragmatic question "Does it make sense for me to support A, given that it might lead others to support B?," you should consider all the mechanisms through which A might lead to B, whether they are logical or psychological, judicial or legislative, gradual or sudden.
You should consider these mechanisms whether or not you think that A and B are on a continuum where B is in some sense more of A, a condition that would in any event be hard to define precisely. You should think about the entire range of possible ways that A can change the conditions—whether those conditions are public attitudes, political alignments, costs and benefits, or what have you—under which others will consider B.
Of course you shouldn't limit yourself to slippery slope questions: You should consider the preceding two questions (how good is A and how bad is B?). You should consider whether the refusal to enact A is likely to lead to bad consequences, perhaps including the very same decision B (for instance, if the refusal could yield a political backlash against what voters might perceive as the obstinacy of the anti-A forces). You should consider what the alternatives to A might be, and more factors still. But in this series of posts, I hope to focus in detail part of one part of the policy analysis, which has to do with the slippery slope concern.
My first substantive post will go up tomorrow, June 1, but I also plan on posting, about once a day, snippets from prominent people making such arguments in the past, as well as responding to such arguments. Naturally, by themselves those snippets won't tell you much, but I thought they'd be helpful and often entertaining illustrations, and will also remind us that the subject has been taken seriously for centuries, even millennia. I hope you folks find all this interesting.
UPDATE: I originally described decision A here as one you "might find appealing," but some readers took it to mean that it had to be one you did find appealing. I've since updated that to read, "might find appealing (or at least not highly objectionable)." My published article itself makes that clear, when it says near the beginning "You think A might be a fairly good idea on its own, or at least not a very bad one."
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I cite the old tale "for want of a nail" for the proposition that any small thing can be predicted to bring on a catastrophe.
A more typical case for such arguments would be that A is not good but possible tolerable while B would be intolerable.
I think that's often the position of those making the slippery slope argument -- suggesting a strong continuum from the current state, through A, to B. However, I think the argument is typically intended to convince people away from the idea that A is desirable.
Essentially, A is not a good idea, but I wouldn't strongly oppose A on it's own merits, but I think A will inevitably lead to B and I am strongly opposed to B.
Yes -- but isn't the audience of the argument (some of) those who do think A is a good idea? If everyone thinks that A is undesirable on the merits, why spend time debating it?
Yes, but that's not the way the article puts it. The article puts it as the person making the argument thinks A would be desirable but for the fact that it would lead to B.
I think it would be exceedingly rare for someone making a slippery slope argument to be of the opinion that A would be desirable but for the fact that it would lead to B.
I read the post as saying that slippery slope arguments are that one should be concerned about going from A to B, and on that basis reject A rather than accept it. I don't think the person making such an argument often wants A; as pointed out earlier, such a one would tend to distinguish A from B.
From the Article:
I read this as being exclusively about the person making the slippery slope argument, not the intended audience.
Yes, and I read the first part as defining slippery slopes in an argument, not as describing the preferences of a person making the argument.
And, I suppose, the inverse. Proponents of B really want C (and D, and E, and F), but they chose for strategic/political reasons to bring position B forward first.
And, to be honest, there are *many* cases where nobody can consistently defend state B once they've conceded the "A-->B" jump.
I do not worry about slippery slopes. We have hit bottom in every area of the law. Every self stated goal of every law subject is in failure. All social pathologies are caused by the management of the government by the lawyer hierarchy. This is an Ivy indoctrinated, worthless big government, failed elite. A buch of know nothing bookworms make decisions about complicated technical subjects and they are always wrong. Worse, they believe they are great and doing well. They have the greatest legal system, they always say. It stinks. Its only success it to take our $trillion and return nothing of value, as they are excellent rent seekers. It would be tolerable if that were our only damage. Their toxicity across the board is 1000 times that of organized crime.
One remedy is to require that all rules be proven safe and effective before being adopted. Because the sole tool of the law is punishment, that is a procedure on the body, no matter the punishment. So a fine takes away money earned by labor. It is a procedure on the body. All rules should be proven in small jurisidictions using reliable and validated methodologies, then applied to larger jurisdictions. The more impactful the rule, the more is required to show its safety, effectiveness, and lack of intolerable, unintended consequences.
Right now, Ivy indoctrinated, self confident, arrogant idiots, controlling men with guns, are imposing their idiotic decisions of a hapless population. They are making a ton of mistakes causing hideous damage to the country. All successes of the country have been despite the law, not because of it.
The rule of law was a great invention that allowed the formation of civilizations. It has to be updated from 1275 AD where it is stuck today.
Hey, lawyer assholes, do you beieve in torts. They compensate victims of carelessness. They motivate providers to improve their products and procedures. And, they replace endless cycle of violent revenge for offenses between parties. Pretty good, no?
Why not have their beneficial effects help all currently immune parties? Although they qualifiy for strict liability, due to the hidous consequences of their idiotic, and irresponsible behavior, apply professional standards of due care. That way, they can regulate themselves. Include all executive responsible officials, all legislatures, all courts, especially, that non plus ultra of Ivy indoctrinated idiocy, the Supreme Court.
This is fun. Ivy indoctrinated scumbag lawyers must hand over their phone records without any basis in law.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/31/politics/supreme-court-roe-v-wade-leak-phone-records/index.html
This is a really cool idea—looking forward to it!
I think that in general, slippery slope arguments are bad arguments, because they assume an inability to distinguish one issue from another. Just because we allow two men to marry does not mean we have to allow a man to marry his German shepherd, and invoking slippery slope essentially says that people don't know how to draw distinctions.
Plus, I agree with John Carr that anything can lead to anything. We can't allow government to ban murder because once the government has the power to ban something, where will it end? Next thing you know they'll be trying to take away our chocolate cake.
KryKry. Stop being such a speciesist. Why can't a dude marry his German shepherd? In the absence of mental illness, afflicting all mammals, he would be a great spouse, far better than any human. You can even train him to satisfy sexually, far more easily than a human.
True, you cannot have children with your German shepherd. Yet.
However, friendship between homosexuals has now been elevated to the status and privileges of marriage. It was intended to protect and to promote reproduction between a man and a woman. But that is out the window now thanks to that toxic weasel, the sick, perverted, degenerate, Ivy indoctrinated scumbag, Justice Kennedy. One sicko decided to end 20000 years of successful human practice.
Why? Family Law business is dying, since no man, unless stupid or suicidal, would get married today. The purpose of Family Law practice is to plunder to the assets of the productive party in a marriage. The lawyers, not the homosexuals, decided to expand the business. Because homosexuals are smart, very few have fallen for this lawyer trap.
Marriage is, among many other things, a contract. Show me a German shepherd who has the capacity to enter into a contract and I'll reconsider.
Where does it say marriage satisfies any element of a contract? Love, honor, and obey? Remain sexually faithful? For what consideration? 10 Goats from the father?
A German Shepherd can dip his paw in ink, and stamp it on a paper above the signature line. He will certainly keep his promise of loyalty to the person who keeps feeding him. That makes him a hooer, but that is a great qualification to be a spouse.
Marriage satisfies all elements of a contract: Offer, acceptance and consideration. There's abundance of caselaw saying so. And dogs don't have the capacity to enter into contracts; you're being even more ridiculous than usual.
It's also the reason you can't marry a six year old or a corpse. They lack the capacity to enter into contracts as well.
But what about plural marriage. You can have contracts between more than two people.
For those who've mentioned plural marriage, we already have them. Muslims are allowed up to four wives (not that I can imagine anyone foolish enough to want four wives, but whatever) and there are Muslims with multiple wives already living in the United States. The question is how long until the concept takes root and spreads. And that's an issue that would have come up even without gay marriage.
"For those who've mentioned plural marriage, we already have them."
Not legally in the US.
Long before there was any significant Muslim presence in the US there was the Mormons, who historically had plural marriage and were forced to disavow it when Utah became a state. A few small Mormon sects that refused to give up plural marriage are still prosecuted over it to this day.
A Muslim's four marriages that took place in jurisdictions where they were legal are recognized in the US; freedom of religion and all that.
And how long do you suppose it will be before one of those jack Mormons says, "Hey, if Abdullah can have four wives, why can't I?"
KryKry. Not so fast. Not so clear. Covenant, yes, out of love and loyalty. Contract as with a credit card company? No. No duration. No money changes hands except for a dowry, which is rare today. No expressly written consequences for not keeping the promise. No listing of the duties. No severability. Agreement to comply with state laws, yes.
A pre-nuptial agreement is a contract, agreed.
https://www.redlasso.com/is-marriage-a-contract/
Contracts with six year olds are voidable, not void.
And the likelihood of it not being voided is ?
A 'marriage contract' with a six year old would be void as against public policy, not void because six year olds can't contract.
David. Aisha was 9 years old and a hellion. Muhamed was a quiet, passive man, driven to distraction by her antics and by her oppositionality. Her father had to take pity on him. He came over and beat her ass. After Muhamed died, she became a warrior queen and greatly expanded the Muslim Empire.
You may want to spank a 9 year, but not really date them, let alone give them the status of wife. Nature prevails, always.
OK, so it is void after all. I was right the first time.
OBERGEFELL v. HODGES (2015)
Under that reasoning, there is no difference between a person who wants to marry someone of his/her own sex, and someone who wants to marry a German Shepherd, if they "define and express their identity" that way. Other than you think one is icky and one is not, there is no reasoned distinction.
1) Law works based on precedents. Look at the stupid Schenck oft-misquoted fire-in-a-theater line. People use the existence of this purported exception to justify whatever free speech incursion they desire.
2) Have you met people? They are stupid. They have an inability to distinguish one issue from another.
3) The other aspect of the slippery slope argument, slightly different than the logical one, is the fight-them-over-there-so-we-don't-have-to-fight-them-over-here one. If I concede that abortion/gun restriction X is acceptable, that frees up my opponent to argue that abortion/gun restriction X+1 should also be adopted. If I keep fighting them on X, then they don't get down the slope to X+1.
Excellent. Let me add one:
4) People who are not stupid and who want to advocate something, will compare it to something else which is clearly good or bad, and then try to use that rhetorically to beat down opponents. E.g., "you oppose affirmative action, you must be a racist that wants to return us to Jim Crow."
A variation on that tactic is what could be called the sweeping definition -- use a term that includes a broad range of actions. E.g., "25% of college women have experienced sexual assault." The term "sexual assault" calls to mind rape. But the people citing that statistic sweep within it everything from actual rape, to unwanted touching, to using sexist language.
Cf. the term "assault weapon" as it's used in politicial discourse of the last 25 years.
Looking back in the history of how law develops, the slippery slope argument is completely valid.
I don't think so.
Care to expand on your point?
You're wrong. Consider the legal atrocity that is the bees-are-fish kerfuffle. In 1984 the CA Legislature decided to grandfather in the designation of a riparian snail as a threatened species never mind that there had been no authority to do so in (I think it was) 1981. And now that's used to declare that any invertebrate can be a "fish". Slippery slope.
The "both sides" stuff really seems to be a requirement even though its one side. Why? Just call it like it is. Its one side trying to uyse the force of government to support their ideology.
I'll give you an example but there are many. Transgenderism. We went from "just" accepting that these folks identify as the opposite sex to then having to claim they are the opposite sex.
This includes letting guys compete on girls teams and letting guys in girls rest rooms and locker rooms. And of course calling he a she or else you get punished. And then its just amazing that the guy who wasn't a star on the kens team is a record breaker on the women's team. Astonishing!
Thats a slippery slop. Is there something comparable on the other side? Let me know.
Also the Babylon Bee is having a hard time staying satire. What's ridiculous one day is the truth the next
"Conservatives are doing their usual BS slippery-slope argument, predicting X."
Two minutes later:
"Can you believe it -- conservatives oppose X! Those haters!!!"
Parody of progressives is just progressive orthodoxy arriving 5 years early.
The idea of conservatism is to conserve what's there, that is to stay fixed, the idea of progressives is to progress, or move to some supposed better future.
Slippery slope arguments apply to you less if you have no intention of sliding, aka moving.
Slippery slopes are real but need to be cautious. A few examples in decreasing order of likelihood
1: If we increase the size of the supreme court explicitly to gain a majority, then the opposition will do it too next time power flips, leading to endless escalation. This is quite probable.
2: If Roe V Wade is overturned, then Plan B will be banned. Makes sense in some very limited situations, as this is technically an abortion and people have tried to stop it before. We can say that it will likely be tried.
3: If RvW is overturned, then gay marriage is next. Unlikely, since RvW wasn't decided on the 14th amendment. Also, there is no longer a majority that wants it, but there is still a sizable group with strong opposition to gay marriage. Again, it will likely be tried.
4: If RvW is overturned, interracial marriage is next. Umm. No. Not only is there no push by any group with any power to ban interracial marriage, but the conservative sect of the party practically worships Justice Thomas and routinely quotes Dr. King.
5: If RvW is overturned, women will be enslaved as baby factories like Handmaid's Tale. No one wants this. At all. It exists only in the paranoid mind of dystopian fiction and a few extreme deviants.
We have all heard each of these arguments in the past few years. So while slippery slope is not by definition a fallacy, you have to evaluate each argument for its own merits.
While I can't say I disagree with your ranking of the liklihoods of the above examples, the main argument you present in items 3 and 4 is that these outcomes would be unpopular, i.e. a political vs a legal argument.
I'd observe that while same sex marriage is popular nationally, there are probably pockets of the population that may have a majority in their municipality to ban gay marriage. If it gets to the Supreme Court, will they just punt it back to the states and local government or simply let a lower ruling stand by denying cert? I don't find this far-fetched. You know, federalism and states rights and all that.
Far less likely with interracial marriage, but conceivable. Or at least not inconceivable.
"If it gets to the Supreme Court, will they just punt it back to the states and local government or simply let a lower ruling stand by denying cert? I don't find this far-fetched. You know, federalism and states rights and all that."
Isn't that at least implicitly assuming the posited municipal regulation was not overturned by the lower courts.
My understanding is across all 50 states, marriage is defined/regulated under state law and a municipality would have no authority to enact the ordinance you suggest and such a thing would not survive challenges in the state courts.
Good point about marriage being defined/regulated under state law.
Is there an entire state that might have a legislative majority to not recognize gay marriage? I haven't looked at polling, but it doesn't seem too far fetched. You are correct that the law *should* not survive challenges in the state courts, but with many state court judges elected rather than appointed I wouldn't be so sure that it *would* not.
And if it goes to the 5th circuit, how much confidence does anyone have that they'll apply precedent?
The municipal ordinance might get past the trial judge because judges are elected and the trial judge is elected locally, but appellate judges are elected on a much broader area.
Since Obergefell is bogus there would be no reason to overturn a state ban on homo "marriage" if Obergefell went away. The suggested causal relationship imputed to overturning Roe eludes me, however.
1- Is always threatened by one side. Has the other side ever threatened this? FDR over the New Deal and now this.
2- We're on slippery slopes but the MS law in front of SCOTUS is just lowering the bar to 15 weeks. Does not ban plan B.
4- You realize Thomas is married to a white woman don't you?
5- Yeah sure they will. Or we'll just revert to pre-Roe where the states decided. Abortion was legal in many states pre-Roe.
Roe was decided based on the 14th Amendment.
Roe wasn't. Gay marriage was.
From Roe:
Dealing with slippery slope arguments is fairly simple:
If I'm against A and everybody is against B, it's an effective logical stratagem to enumerate the parade of horribles and persuade others to realize A is not a good idea.
OTOH, if I'm for A (and again everybody is against B) then "slippery slope" is a logical fallacy that should be discarded, and the person making such an argument held up to ridicule and disdain for making it.
Why do we need a series of posts to simply restate this simple situation?
The thing about simple explanations for things is that no matter how appealing, they are usually wrong.
Every problem has a solution that is simple, direct, and wrong.
Frequently problems have solutions that are simple, direct, right, and regrettably unpleasant. Your problem is that you're overweight? Diet. You're out of shape? Exercise. You're in debt? Live beneath your means. You've got bad breath? Gargle and brush your teeth frequently. You keep losing jobs? Try showing up on time and doing the work.
The problems where all the simple and direct solutions are wrong are likely a minority, but sometimes people just don't want to admit the only available solution involves hard work, they want something complicated and easy, 'one weird trick'.
I couldn't even read this, I was so triggered by the unnecessary, racist use of monkey in the illustration.
Ha, good point. Is any use of a monkey image racist? Are monkeys racist!
It is not a "slippery slope" when the people intended to enact public policy have the ultimate vision to complete EXACTLY what they are being accused of wanting to achieve. That is true of the left in almost everything.
Here is the latest example. They want to ban and confiscate most commonly held firearms in the United States. Looks like they are right now probing the outer reaches of how far this gun grab can go with the "9mm" comment Joe Biden inaccurately took yesterday.
The biggest thing the right gets wrong is when they fail to believe that leftist actually want to do what they say they intend on doing. Here are some words of advice - BELIEVE THEM. They have every intention of working toward that end.
They re-invent/define words and then endlessly repeat it until many folks think the new definition is of course logical.
Recent examples, woman/man, vaccine, racism and now assault weapon.
"cop killer ammo" was an invention in the early 90's as well and many jurisdictions still to this day outlaw what is an effective self defense round. You will see the stories on occasion where in those jurisdictions though a bullet ripped through three houses. If the reporter actually knows the questions to ask it is because the home owner was restricted the FMJs. Sad.
"cop killer ammo" wasn't that code language for hollow points? Which are self defense vs practice rounds.
Hollow points are the oppositeof "cop killer ammo". Intentionally lower vs intended higher penetration.
Still doesn't take away from the idea that Red Flag laws with sufficient due process are a good policy....and that private sales/transfers of guns should include some sort of official background check (as silly as it might sound for an intra-family transfer). Probably capping magazine capacity at ten, like CA, has some merit, even if it's a small psychological one of being less cool.
The middle will define how far regulations go....not the extremes. Most people support self defense and having options. Not everything chills one's ability to do that.
Yeah, no. You provide no reason beyond you hate guns for policies that do nothing but make law abiding Americans less safe.
Your illustration looks to be more "Rube Goldberg" than "slippery slope".
Simple machines are gateway drugs to Rube Goldberg contraptions.
My favorite slippery slope is the one where 30 years ago the gays kicked out NAMBLA from their parades and stopped chanting “Recruit, Recruit, Recruit” and just asked for tolerance to present time where if you don’t allow them to teach your 4 and 5 year olds to give BJs and take it anally you are an intolerable bigot.
This comment was good, but you forgot to work in more about the “grossest person alive”, Michelle Obama, and “her big swinging dick”. Please try to do better next time. I want you to feel fulfilled and rewarded when you post here.
-estragon
I showed you a video that showed Michael Obama's package swinging mightily. Literally.
Slippery slopes are going to happen when there is no observed limit.
Take the 9th circuit for example and you can see that the second amendment has provided no limitation to California's gun control. Pair that to the fact that there is new gun control in California ever year despite what is already pre-existing, and well why wouldn't you predict that they're going to go even further since that's what they already do.
Furthermore the drive to push further down slope comes from the political need for politicians to virtue signal, make a name for themselves, and get on the record as standing on a particular side of an issue. Since politicians are always coming up for election and new ones are born every year, that push will continue until it hits a hard fast legally immovable limit, usually some supreme Court ruling.
Any "slippery slope" arguments as to modest gun regulations are effectively rebutted by the Scalia clerk who drafted the Heller opinion, in today's New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/31/opinion/supreme-court-heller-guns.html
Clearly they have not observed the sort of due diligence the 9th circuit has been giving Heller.
They're also helpfully ignoring their current moral panic about the pending overturn of roe versus Wade, which is only happening due to a slight twists of fate that resulted in the current courts composition. Is there any doubt that Heller would suffer the same fate if there is a few more Sotomayors?
Trump had a lot of bad hires too.
The basic use of a slippery slope argument is when the other side is fundamentally wrong, fundamentally evil. If people start getting used to a little bit of evil, they become tolerant of more evil.
“Broken windows policing” expresses the esseence of slippery slope argument. If the criminals start to feel that they can get away with petty vandalism, that will embolden them to attempt bigger crimes. The fundamental idea behind it is you don’t want to embolden the criminals, you don’t want them to feel there will be any space to tolerate them.
Another famous example is the Louisiana True Democrat’s famous “Nip It In the Bud” editorial praising the first lynching of an African-American World War I veteran for wearing a uniform in public. If these niggers start thinking that just because they fought in a war, that means they have rights, there will soon be no end to it. Better to lynch them now before they start putting on airs.
That’s where slippery slope arguments apply. Give them an inch, they’ll take a mile. Better not give them an inch.
It’s a valid argument when one agrees with the context. The Nazis spent several years increasingly distancing Jews from the rest of society and vilifying them before the time was considered ripe to start killing them. The end of Reconstruction and the debasement of free blacks back to serfdom took place in steps, in some cases over decades.
When evil people take over, they often do it gradually, waiting for people to get used to things before proceeding further. By the time people notice and act, it can be too late already.
So it can be a valid argument.
Clearly they have not observed the sort of due diligence the 9th circuit has been giving Heller.
They're also helpfully ignoring their current moral panic about the pending overturn of roe versus Wade, which is only happening due to a slight twists of fate that resulted in the current courts composition. Is there any doubt that Heller would suffer the same fate if there is a few more Sotomayors?
Transgenderism, "then he was a she, take a walk on the wild side"
Allowing crime (e.g. CA's shoplifting allowance)
Racially based preferences to fight racism (which are actually racist), blacks are too stupid to do whatever (fill in the blank)
The above exist. Coming near term "common Sense" gun control which will proceed down effectively ban gun ownership
Yeah its a concern. A one sided one though
Marriage is a contract between two people. Plenty of other contracts involve multiple parties. Why should marriage be any different?
Whistling Willie
Such arguments surrounding regulation of smoking ("We only want to ban smoking on planes!!!!") to normalizing sodomy, to gay "marriage" have more than proven some slopes are quite slippery.
You're a bit late to the party. Right after the SCOTUS leak basically all of Volokh's writers were out in arms saying "hey, don't sweat this. Republicans, despite spending years calling the right to privacy a made-up right and decrying basically every decision that flowed from it, won't actually do any of the things they've been saying they'll do."
You will sidestep the "trigger laws" they've already codified, ignore the ways they've tried to undermine Lawrence, Windsor and Obergefel already, and so-on.
Being worried about all that, of course, will just be "Slippery Slope" fallacy.
Now liberals, guns and trans? That'll be something that of course y'all should get apocalyptic about. After all, if you can't keep a transwoman out of a bathroom, how will you excuse harassing ciswomen who aren't sufficiently feminine-looking?
Oh, hi, Queenie. It ends where we are today, at the bottom of the slope, Honey.
Clever.
Hi, Queenie. Do you mean, Santorum made that argument?
I would appreciate a follow up on this marriage.
https://www.theage.com.au/world/woman-marries-dolphin-20060102-ge1iee.html
Now homosexuals have not fallen for this lawyer trap. So pets are a natural next customer base for Family Law. They are excellent clients, making no verbal demands, and requiring no phone calls for updates.
Pretty much. It's "discrimination" to keep biological males out of girls' bathrooms & locker-rooms.
How about killing a baby on the other hand? And the MS law in front of SCOTUS is 15 weeks.
Try something thats not make believe.
In your typical slippery slope case, though, you'd be arguing with somebody who denies they want B, not somebody whose position on B is, "We'll get around to it, this is just what we're asking for today."
Where the person is open about wanting B, it's more of a "staircase" than a "slippery slope".
I think abortion foes were pretty open about wanting more than a ban after 20 weeks. OTOH, as you get ever more extreme anti-abortion laws, support drops off, and opposition rises. You might liken it to a slippery slope that leads into a channel, not off of a cliff: You slide to the bottom, but the bottom isn't infinitely far down, it's just the locus of popular opinion, and going past it will result in a restoring force in the opposite direction.
The general concern in slippery slope cases is the lack of a restoring force, because something about proceeding down the slope weakens the opposition, rather than strengthening it.
Hi, Queenie. You do not get to define me. I identify as female, and as 16. I demand to shower with the high school cheerleaders.
Hi, Queenis. You are such a supremacist. You need to repent. What do you have against cheerleaders, against dogs, against disabled people? What have they done to you that you hate them so much?
I'd of course have to review this outside of NBC news which is not reputable and don't have the time now to do that But assuming it does what you say then obviously the folks OK elected value the life of the baby to that extent.
Just like in NY and VA it is lawful to abort the baby for any reason up to and including labor. And according to the ex-governor even a little after birth after consultation with the mother. Not sure if that is actually true but he said it.
Assuming Roe gets overturned the folks in OK can elect new officials to change that law to more pro-abortion same as the folks and VA and NY can change their laws if the thats what the voters want.
VA and NY seem a little passionate
See you're calling a baby a zygote to try and change the discussion. Everything that grows starts out in that manner.
But sonograms are pictures of what's there and you don't like folks showing them because it makes your zygote talk ridiculous
So what triggers the inheritance tax?
"The GOP has an entire scientific project to re-name stuff."
Link?
It didn't take a "scientific project" to come up with "assault weapon". Just one shameless propagandist. We even know his name.
That's made up nonsense. Someone who wants to marry his dog is a "person." If he defines his liberty that way, he should be allowed to under this reasoning.
And why should marriage be limited to two "persons." You cannot rely on the traditional definition of marriage, since that has excluded same-sex marriage.
I repeat, the only difference is that you consider one icky and one not.
Hi, Queenie. You do not get to define dogs. Some identify as humans.
Got cut off:
That's made up nonsense. Someone who wants to marry his dog is a "person." If he defines his liberty that way, he should be allowed to under this reasoning.
And why should marriage be limited to two "persons." You cannot rely on the traditional definition of marriage, since that has excluded same-sex marriage for thousands of years.
I repeat, the only difference is that you consider one icky and one not.
Before you get to a dog, how about a marriage to multiple people -- three men and three women. They are all "persons."
Kennedy identified four principles that led him to conclude a gay couple is on par with a straight couple: 1) personal choice, 2) two-person unions are unlike any other in their commitments, 3) safeguarding children and families and 4) the unions are the keystone to social order.
The human-dog union is so ridiculous that none of the four are met (not even #1 because the dog had no choice).
#1 supports multiple marriages. #2 does not but begs the question. It is debatable whether #3 and #4 do. However, in the most common form of multiple marriage, one-man, many-women, they don't and there are strong arguments neither do #1 and #2 because the women are subservient.
Same subject. Should restriction or total non-restriction of abortion be left up to the states. Non-restriction already is up until the moment of birth is some states. Only restriction is affected by Roe.
So overturning Roe returns that decision to allow even to the moment of birth or severely restrict to the states. Seems right since the right to abortion was invented by the court. It doesn't exist in the constitution. For things not mentioned 10A applies. I suggest you read it.
Just like sperate but equal was invented. Roe was the slippery slope.
Wow, name calling is a sign of weakness. The moment of fertilization yes. Doesn't apply at 15 weeks. Keep slinging
It's a tax applied after death. Just like income tax is a work tax. Without the work and the income no tax. Keep playing silly word games.
The slippery slope is intended to appeal to those who oppose partial-birth abortion but support first-trimester abortion.
Queenie. I love curvy women. What is your body type?
Thats your argument? hahahahahahahahahahaha
Yea it has nothing to do with death at all.
Considering the damage done to the social order since Obie got his way I'd say Kennedy is as foolish and shortsighted as he is mendacious.
What damage?
I see none.
Because you do not want to: the marriage rates are plummeting and white OOW births are now at the levels that liberals of yesteryear sounded the alarm when American blacks reached the level.
There is no time, past or present, when people were better, but progressives have created a society that is dying -- literally killing itself ... and literal children that escape death in the womb are slaughtered in the classroom.
"How about going from trying to ban partial birth abortion to trying to ban abortions after 20 weeks to trying to ban abortion after 6 weeks to banning them after fertilization?"
Not an example of leftist "slippery slope" unless you are talking about someone agreeing to he first, and when he does the next, etc. But you can't point to any leftist who has been pushed down that slope, can you?