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Obscenity (Including as to Minors) and "the Work Taken as a Whole"
An isolated sexually themed passage, even a graphic one, doesn't make a work obscene.
The Court of Mist and Fury / Gender Queer controversy is a good opportunity to note an important legal principle: Under modern American law, a work can only be "obscene" and therefore constitutionally unprotected—or "obscene as to minors," and therefore constitutionally unprotected when distributed to minors—if it's basically pornographic taken as a whole.
"A quotation from Voltaire in the flyleaf of a book will not constitutionally redeem an otherwise obscene publication." The rule once seemed to be that, "to be smut, it must be ut- / terly without redeeming social importance," but that is no longer so.
But, conversely, a few sexual scenes in a work likewise don't make a publication obscene. The question is whether its dominant theme appeals to the "prurient interest," which is to say a "shameful or morbid" interest in sex. (The government must also show that the work is patently offensive under contemporary community standards, and that, taken as a whole, it lacks serious value.) Even Justice Scalia, who was open to pretty substantial restrictions on pornographic material, acknowledged this:
[In our obscenity precedents], we rejected the approach previously adopted by some courts, which would permit the banning of an entire literary work on the basis of one or several passages that in isolation could be considered obscene. Instead, we said, "the dominant theme of the material taken as a whole" must appeal to prurient interest.
(He in turn was quoting Roth v. United States (1957), which was modified in some measure by Miller v. California (1973); but, as Justice Scalia noted, Miller only added extra elements the government must show beyond this "dominant theme" constitutional requirement.) And the same applies to obscene-as-to-minors material.
Now this isn't so for all First Amendment exceptions. Someone can be prosecuted for possessing child pornography even if that's an isolated picture within a broader work. Likewise, someone can be sued (or prosecuted) for libel based on a libelous statement in a mostly nonlibelous work.
But when it comes to the obscenity exception, the law is settled: Isolated pornographic passages don't make a work unprotected.
UPDATE: A comment reminded me that I should elaborate a bit on the "dominant" point; in Ginzburg v. U.S. (1966) (not to be confused with Ginsberg v. N.Y. (1968), or Ginsburg, J. (1993-2020)), the Court noted that a work's dominant theme could be evaluated not just based on what's inside it but also based on how it's marketed: "[I]n close cases evidence of pandering may be probative with respect to the nature of the material in question and thus satisfy the [obscenity] test," with "pandering" defined as "the business of purveying textual or graphic matter openly advertised to appeal to the erotic interest of their customers."
But the Court stressed that in that case, "each of these publications was created or exploited entirely on the basis of its appeal to prurient interests"; again, the focus is on the dominant appeal of the work, not just one incidental feature. (Ginzburg doesn't seem to have been used much in recent years, but it has been cited favorably at times, so it still seems to be good law.)
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One could abuse this by compiling an anthology to pad out the obscene story with more innocent words. Maybe this is not a problem in practice for printed material. Is there precedent saying what counts as a complete work when presented online?
"taken as a whole."
A book with, for instance, one close up picture of anal sex and one close up picture of a blow job but a hundred pages of text would then not be obscene. Correct?
I doubt many people would agree.
You're fighting a losing battle with your analogy.
The better analogy would be something like Playboy. Which has a number of articles of literary merit, but also a number of picture of nekked women. It's still pornography.
So you think that pictures of naked women are necessarily porn?
Do sultry looks and suggestive poses change anything?
I think you actually have to show sex acts in the pictures to call them porn.
Not in my school. Bare nekked laydees was quite enough to qualify as porn.
So....you're arguing that Playboy isn't pornography?
OK then....
Why don't you ask Judge Judy?
Trolling across threads? With a new handle?
Hmmm...
"It's still pornography."
Just like National Geographic.
You going to argue Playboy isn't pornography now?
"You going to argue Playboy isn't pornography now?"
Where in the hell did that come from?
"Where in the hell did that come from?"
Umm... The literal line of the conversation. Here, let's review for you..
"The better analogy would be something like Playboy. Which has a number of articles of literary merit, but also a number of picture of nekked women. It's still pornography."
I really ruins a joke to have to explain it to dopes.
Pornography and obscenity are not synonymous. All obscene material is pornographic, but not all pornography is obscene. A determination of obscenity is reserved to judges or juries, with a presumption of non-obscenity.
I don't think that Playboy has ever been found to be obscene.
And I quote
"Under modern American law, a work can only be "obscene" and therefore constitutionally unprotected—or "obscene as to minors," and therefore constitutionally unprotected when distributed to minors—if it's basically pornographic taken as a whole"
Key phrase there is "Obscene as to minors"
Here's a more thorough explanation.
"Material not “obscene” toward adults may be “obscene as to minors” (CGS § 53a-196). Material is obscene as to minors if it depicts a prohibited sexual act and, taken as a whole, it is harmful to minors. “Prohibited sexual act” includes nude performance. CGS§ 53a-193(3). “Nude performance” means the showing of the human male or female genitals, pubic area or buttocks with less than a fully opaque covering, or the showing of the female breast with less than a fully opaque covering of any portion thereof below the top of the nipple…” CGS § 53a-193(4). For the material to be “obscene as to minors” it must predominantly appeal to the prurient, shameful or morbid interest of minors of which is patently offensive to prevailing standards in the adult community as a whole with respect to what is suitable for minors. Moreover, taken as a whole, the material lacks serious literary, artistic, educational, political or scientific value for minors. [CGS § 53a-193]."
Well, they may agree or disagree, but that's the law (though your comment prompted me to add an item about Ginzburg that might bear on some such situations).
Yes, if that is the law, the law is a bit of an ass. (In the donkey-ish sense I hasten to add.)
The point - if there is a point - of obscenity statutes is to protect the public (and/or specifically children) from the morally corrupting influence of obscene material. The obscene material does not become less corrupting if it is padded between any number of pages of dire prose about the marginal propensity to consume.
If Adam Smith had chosen to digress on the changing price of hookers, and what services could be bought for how much, with graphic descriptions and some Kama Sutra-ish pictures, instead of on silver, I can guarantee that his digression would not have been largely overlooked. Those would have become the most thumbed pages of all.
Inclined to agree with your first sentence.
Is it obscene to say that the "law" is always splitting red C hairs on matters of pornography and obscenity?
Does it matter how or where the material is presented?
When it comes to adults I don't see this being much of a problem; however, when it comes to minors I think more care should be taken to prevent their exposure.
Of course minors covers a wide range. What may be suitable for older teens wouldn't necessarily be suitable for grade schoolers.
I understand that "Gender Queer" is a comic book; euphemistically a "graphic novel." Does it include graphic depictions of oral and anal sex?
Yes. Oral.
Required reading in Blue State kindergartens.
I'd agree that the work would likely not qualify as obscene. Although it would depend on what was in the text.
Is it a scholarly study of pornography? Or is it a porno story with two illustrations?
Can you require redaction of obscene portions?
No, not given the precedents I've laid out.
Well, that seems dumb. Someone could have a clearly inappropriate for children picture in a book, but the work could still be sold to kids.
Interesting, in contrast, that the Motion Picture standards are largely triggered by the presence of any scene or incident which crosses a particular threshold. Any risque language earns a PG, one explicit sexual scene likely brings an R. There may be some grey zone between PG and PG-13, and R vs. NC-17, where the judgment depends on the entirety. But for the most part, redacting a single scene might shift the rating. And yet the rating itself become part of the promotion. We don't try to redact to expand the potential audience; we leave the scene in and take the rating, in order to increase the appeal to the most likely audience.
Gender Queer would get the "R" for graphic depiction of oral sex.
The “taken as a whole” is based on the prosecution of James Joyce’s Ulysses.
The idea was that a work with SERIOUS LITERARY MERIT could get an exemption from obscenity laws despite a few risque passages.
It was not intended to provide loopholes to enable pornographers to exempt themselves by adding perfunctory filler in much the way the Raines sandwich exempted bars from early 20th century NY alcohol laws.
The works at issue here are no Ulysses.
Didn't know about the NY Raines law which required that alcohol be served with a meal. According to Wikipedia, so it must be true:
"The meal requirement was met by the cheapest sandwich available, sometimes reused across tables, or sandwiches made of rubber."
Around 2006 Massachusetts lawmakers allowed diners to take home unfinished bottles of wine after a meal. State regulators wrote the following definition of meal:
...the word "meal" shall mean the purchase by one person of a diversified selection of food which ordinarily is classified as an "entree" or "main course" which ordinarily cannot be consumed without the use of tableware and which cannot be conveniently consumed while standing or walking or the purchase by two or more persons of a diversified selection of food which is priced at more than $20.00 and ordinarily cannot be consumed without the use of tableware and which cannot be conveniently consumed while standing or walking. (204 CMR 2.18(5))
In principle I agree that this is stupid and should not be censored, but politically I could care less.
The left has spent the better part of the last 6-7 years building and justifying a regimen of censorship all through society. Now they only have a problem when the roost comes home. You know what - screw them.
Also, it is becoming abundantly clear and obvious to any sensible human that the long term agenda of the left is to "groom" kids and make pedaphilia "normal". That is sick and must be stopped. If that includes banning publications such as this that have little to no societal value, so be it. Take note of those who protest too much because chances are they have some skeletons in their closet.
Yes, you constantly post about how principles no longer matter to you.
Awesome anti-virtue signaling. Your negative tribalism truly surpasses all others, we are all very impressed how you've blotted out all integrity with your in no way performative rage.
Keep accusing the other side of some kind of long term pedophilia agenda. Great show, really gonna get you taken seriously.
"performative rage"
That is a good one. Especially coming from a guy that just yesterday was engaged in it using 19 dead kids as his political props. We all know you couldn't care less about those dead kids. All you care about it forwarding your extreme leftist agenda. (Or maybe you do care about the kids as that is less that will be around to join your "minor attracted persons" pool of victims....)
And if you don't think the left has an end goal of grooming kids, prove me wrong. Tell me why they seem overly concerned about the genitals of children, putting kids on puberty blockers, and normalizing gender bending?
The discussion of the legal standard to categorize a work as "obscene" for purposes of criminal law is interesting. However, most of the controversy concerning Gender Queer concerns the standard for whether or not to allow the graphic novel on the shelves of primary and secondary schools at all and, if so, under restrictions such as parental permission. I expect that the graphic sexual depictions of fellatio, for example, are unacceptable to a large majority of parents, regardless of whether the work, as a whole, is legally "obscene."
But that isn't what this case is about.
There is an argument to be made that a book is not a good use of limited resources by a school or public library because it contains material that the school is uncomfortable offering based upon neutral standards. But this case revolves around public officials seeking to criminalize the sale or possession of a book as obscene, which is an entirely different issue.
Pretty bold move to cite constitutional decisions on obscenity from the Warren Court and then claim that, "when it comes to the obscenity exception, the law is settled."
I wonder how obscenity was treated under the common law and in the American states during the Founding period.
This provides some information:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/obscenity
QuantumBoxCat: Just to be clear, Miller v. California (1973) was a Burger Court decision (indeed, it was by Burger), and was loosely speaking joined by the conservative wing of the Court. Roth was from the Warren Court, but as I note the "predominant theme" element of Roth was reaffirmed in Miller. And Ginzburg, while a Warren Court decision, took a relatively pro-obscenity-restriction position.
This having been said, it's always possible that the Supreme Court would change the rules if a case came before it (though I have no specific reason that it would change the rules). But lower courts are bound by the current legal rules, and that's what I'm writing about here.
I'm no prude and I'm not sure that most anything should be legally obscene, it seems that graphic descriptions of sex, either written or pictorial, targeted at young children is at least arguably problematic. One shouldn't view such material until engaged in the activity for at least five years (not continuously) and then only to make sure you're doing it right.
RandyNewman
Again, I'm no prude, but isn't there anything that you would find inappropriate for a book or video in a children's library? If, as suggested here the other day, someone could shit rainbows, how about Two Girls, One Rainbow?
I don't think you actually know or understand the real definition of "conspiracy" do you?
The selection of a particular book for a children's library would be different than would be deeming a book obscene and banning its sale and possession.