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No Joan Biskupic, Justice Thomas Did Not Take A "Surprising, Public Jab" At Chief Justice Roberts
Justice Thomas waxed nostalgically about the Rehnquist Court. He did not blame Roberts for the change.
Last week, Justice Thomas spoke at a conference in Dallas. I transcribed his remarks in this post. At various points, Justice Thomas waxed nostalgically about the Rehnquist Court. And he observed that the Court has changed over the past two decades.
Well, I'm just worried about keeping it at the court now. This is not the court of that era. I sat with Ruth Ginsburg for almost 30 years. And she was actually an easy colleague for me. You knew where she was and she was a nice person to deal with Sandra Day O'Connor you can say the same thing, David Souter, I can go on down the list. Nino was, he could be agitated but then he forgot he was agitated. But it was it was a the court that was together 11 years was a fabulous court. It was one you look forward to being a part of. . . .
Later, Thomas said the old Rehnquist Court was different than the current Roberts Court.
And we never had that before. We actually trusted--it was we may have been a dysfunctional family. But we were a family. And we loved it. I mean, you trusted each other. You laughed together. You went to lunch together every day. And I can only hope you can keep it. So it's what was it Ben Franklin that said, we gave you a republic if you can keep it. And I think that you have a court and you hope you can keep it.
It was abundantly clear that Thomas was not making any point about Chief Justice Roberts. Thomas was not saying that Roberts was the cause of this change in the Court. Thomas was not expressing any criticism of Roberts at all.
Joan Biskupic of CNN, however, saw the event very differently. She writes:
Last week at a Dallas conference, Thomas took a surprising, public jab at Roberts. Thomas has long touted the good relations inside the court and avoided public criticism of colleagues. He might not always have embraced his colleagues, but he avoided letting any enmity slip. . . . Thomas' blunt remarks suggest new antagonism toward Roberts and added to the uncertainty regarding the ultimate ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, expected by the end of June.
There was no "surprising, public jab." There is no "enmity." There is no "antagonism."
Here, Biskupic pitches Roberts's appointment as the inflection point:
Thomas last week recalled the court atmosphere before 2005, when Roberts joined, and said, "We actually trusted each other. We may have been a dysfunctional family, but we were a family, and we loved it."
From 1994 through 2005, there was a long-serving natural Court. Justice Thomas was praising that natural Court. Starting in 2005, there was rapid turnover. Roberts for Rehnquist. Alito for O'Connor. A few years later, Sotomayor for Souter, and Kagan for Stevens. Then before you know it, Scalia died, and we got Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett in rapid succession. Thomas was talking about turnover. He was not laying blame at the Chief.
Yet, Biskupic makes the charge:
But Thomas' sudden aim at Roberts' leadership is new. In the Dallas appearance, his message to the chief justice came down to: The court was better before you arrived.
No Thomas did not send that message--expressly or implicitly!
Biskupic continues:
Thomas' remarks pulled back the curtain on the tensions inside. Perhaps they revealed long simmering sentiment for a chief who has wrenched relations over the years. Or perhaps they reflected the internal recriminations over who might be responsible for disclosing the draft opinion. Or perhaps they indicate that the apparent five-justice majority to overturn Roe is not so secure.
There was a time when Biskupic could pull back curtains with leaked information. She apparently no longer has those sources, or if she does, she doesn't write about them. Instead, she relies on idle speculation. Perhaps this or perhaps that. This sort of gossip is fine for David Lat and me, but I expect more from the most trusted named in news.
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"Conservatives in disarray"
Yawn. No, she didn't "see" it that way, she saw that it could be spun that way.
CNN is infamous for seeing what it wants to see, whether it's what's actually happening or not. It's why I haven't watched CNN in many years.
White Supremacy! Domestic Terrorism!
(two years ago: Mostly Peaceful Protest. Nothing to see here.)
Please Ed, confirm for the sake of laughter, that you're really trying to equate the BLM movement to that of White Nationalism/Supremacy.
Normally I'd say to someone that they can't really be that stupid, but I'll leave the door open for you until your response.
This sort of gossip is fine for David Lat and me,
Not really.
Really? Taking CNN seriously enough to even waste time pointing out they lie?
You could have commented on any of 47 other issues of immediate concern to citizens.
"You could have commented on any of 47 other issues of immediate concern to citizens."
Stolen elections (bamboo ballots).
Hillary's emails.
Hunter Biden.
Persecution of white males.
Groomers.
Obama's birth certificate.
Gay marriage.
Great Replacement.
Critical race theory (uppity Blacks in general).
Muslim and Hispanic invaders
What else is on your list?
you left out the White Devils inventing AIDS to kill Black People(s)
A college classmate of mine earnestly told me that the federal government was dumping tons of drugs (or was it guns?) into inner-cities (to kill black people).
Neither, it was Saltpeter (Potassium Nitrate for the Pubic School Educated among us) in Malt Liquor, and it was to make them impotent, (also a word in Ebonics, as in "Malcolm X was very impotent to the Black Movement") not sterile.
That’s why I support Planned Parenthood—a Republican organization could never open in the middle of a Black neighborhood and start passing out free birth control. 😉
Yes, Groomer. Start acting woke or STFU. Resign and interview your diverse replacement. Diversity is the strength of our country.
Pete & Chasten Bootie-Judge have an Ill-legal Alien Breast feeding "Their" Twins* (No wonder he doesn't care about the Formula Shortage(Or apparently, the Breast Shortage)
* Heard it on "Steve Bannon's War Room" https://warroom.org/
These are your peeps, Conspirators.
Do you think it unfair that people familiar with this blog wonder about your level of bigotry?
"Peeps"???? "Reverend"????
Your "hasn't talked to an Afro-Amurican in 40 (50?) years" is showing
Gonna "borrow" from Former President Barack Hussein, "Reverend, the 80's Called, they want their Cosby show tapes back"
Missed the Huxtables, you know, College, Med School, no TV (seriously, they were expensive back then) preferred the late 60's
show, at least the theme song, which I never could decipher the lyrics, even with a VCR, (and I habla the Ebonics)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CV9koeB4WA
thanks to AlGores Internets, saw why,
"Oooh Lawd!, Go get some, uh, you know em' uh, you get a half a Pound of a small ribs?
And a cup full of reazinrizin
And a throw em' on the ground and roll em' up
And then ya get some radish
Eat em' up
All around your face
Hikky-burr
Hikky hikky-burr, burr
Ooh lord
I tell you
You get some uh, have you ever had any rozinrizin.
That's good, rozinrizin
And uh get a bottle of spalsi
And you in there
Look and yourself and say
Ooh lord!"
Frank "Black where it counts"
Yeah, Biskupic was claiming way too much SC insight based on too little evidence.
I can think of someone else who does that maybe four to six times a week.....
What is a ""natural" Supreme Court?
"Thomas was talking about turnover."
Does any evidence support this unqualified assertion?
http://scdb.wustl.edu/documentation.php?var=naturalCourt
Yeah, I was kind of surprised Kirkland was unfamiliar with the term.
Well, maybe not.
I was not familiar with that term.
It doesn't strengthen Prof. Blackman's argument.
Just like our First Lady, Ms. Biskupic is a "Dr", please reference her accordingly.
Rare to be outflanking Blackman on the drama front, but I saw it, if not a jab, as evidence Thomas did not like the Court as Roberts ran it as much as he did when Rehnquist did.
Picking the exact date Roberts showed up is a choice unneeded for the 'I liked the old days with a stable Court' message.
"if not a jab, as evidence Thomas did not like the Court as Roberts ran it as much as he did when Rehnquist did."
There's a big difference between those two things.
Of course, CNN's article falsely gives the impression that there's little room for interpretation in Thomas's remarks. Not surprising from CNN.
I don't see the distinction you're making public disapproval of a colleague seems well within jab territory to me.
Blackman's blog post provides the same impression. Does that surprise you?
This fucking guy...
In Prof. Blackman's previous post, he said,
I realize that if you got rid of the stream-of-consciousness filler, Prof. Blackman's corpus would fit on an index card, so I can sort of understand why he doesn't bother trying to remember the details of what he said before, but come on.
If JB is gonna lose his spot as the biggest hack in the legal pundosphere, he's gonna go down swinging. It is a tough fight, though. Soon I expect Dahlia Lithwick to say, "Hold my Franzia and watch this!"
The court probably was a better environment then. O'Connor, Tony K., Reinquist and Scalia strike me as more amiable than their replacements.
Really? Sandra D looks more like George Washington the older she gets, AK like he had a Gavel up his ass, and (People are saying) Rehnquist was at his best on the Placidyl (the "Date Rape" drug of the 60's), and there's no evidence Big Brain Brett K (he just looks like a "Brett") ever used a similar substance (no joke, there's really no Evidence)
Still suspicious about Scalia's Exit from the moral coil (https://warroom.org/) They had it all set up for Merrick "The Elephant Man" Garland to take over till the Turtle out-foxed them (get it?)
Frank "Rehnquist did have the best Chief Judge Robe of all times"(it was the only one)
Rehnquist was always whacked out of his gourd on ludes…apparently Kavanaugh is the one that gets his stash. 😉
Possibly archaic concepts of professorial dignity and role would lead me to suggest that perhaps a professor had best leave gossip to gossiis.
But if one is going to be a gossip, best to be self-aware about it.
Ah the irony. Thomas references the poor job being done by journalists, and this idiot reporter immediately proves him right.
My thought was that Thomas was feeling his age a bit. Surprising to me that he's only 73.
I remember Kavanaugh taking some shots at Gorsuch a while back. Maybe that's the sort of thing he's thinking of.
Maybe someone can help me out - what does the referenced CNN piece have to do with a missing airplane?
I saw the Biskupic article and also noticed it went well beyond her evidence, but yeah Blackman making this criticism is laughable.
I think you protest too much. After all, as you report, "Thomas said the old Rehnquist Court was different than the current Roberts Court." He compared the good old days when everyone was happy to work together, and trust reigned with the Roberts Court where mistrust and poor relations poison the atmosphere. You don't think a fair reading of this communicates dissatisfaction with the current Chief Justice?
It's "wax nostalgic," not "wax nostalgically."