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More SCOTUS Leaks To Politico: Alito's Majority Still Holds Five, And No Other Draft Opinions Have Been Circulated Yet
These leaks from a "conservative" look designed to quell controversy.
Another day, another leak. Despite the ongoing investigation, information continues to spill out of the Supreme Court. The latest story comes from Politico. Now, Josh Gerstein and Alexander Ward share a byline with Ryan Lizza, who is the Chief Washington correspondent. And this story comes out the day before the scheduled May 12 conference, the first conference since the initial leak. (Though I think it likely that the Justices have met in some unscheduled fashion over the past week.)
The story makes six new claims.
First, we learn that no other draft dissents or concurrences have been circulated:
Justice Samuel Alito's sweeping and blunt draft majority opinion from February overturning Roe remains the court's only circulated draft in the pending Mississippi abortion case, POLITICO has learned, and none of the conservative justices who initially sided with Alito have to date switched their votes. No dissenting draft opinions have circulated from any justice, including the three liberals.
The fact that no other opinions are even in the mix explains why the Court could not quickly put out the decision to quell the current maelstrom. Whoever provided this leak has up-to-date information about the status of draft opinions. Of course, it is possible that Roberts privately circulated his concurrence to Kavanaugh and Barrett. Recall that in Casey, Kennedy, O'Connor, and Souter largely worked independently of others. Scalia was stunned when he learned that the votes flipped. I will return later in this post to (wildly) speculate why no other opinions have been circulated.
Second, Politico offers some speculation about its own exclusive--why someone would leak a February draft in May?
That could explain why no second draft of Alito's majority opinion has been distributed, as typically the two sides react to one another's written arguments and recast their own.
Many observers (present company included) presumed that the leaked draft was likely obsolete, as there were almost certainly other circulated opinions. But, according to Politico, there are no other drafts. Therefore, there would be nothing else to leak. Alito's opinion is still current.
Third, Politico quotes someone "close to the court's conservatives."
"This is the most serious assault on the court, perhaps from within, that the Supreme Court's ever experienced," said one person close to the court's conservatives, who spoke anonymously because of the sensitive nature of the court deliberations. "It's an understatement to say they are heavily, heavily burdened by this."
This person has connections to not just one conservative member, but several conservatives, plural. And this person is speaking on direct knowledge of how several of the Court's conservative members are reacting to this leak. And he is relaying that this leak is the "most serious assault on the Court" ever--more than the Civil War, more than Court Packing, more than the massive resistance to Brown, more than Bush v. Gore, more than Biden's ill-fated SCOTUS commission, and so on. Why? This enemy is not at the gates, but is "within." And we learn that the Justices are "heavily, heavily burdened." No kidding. You might call it an "undue burden." The justices are having their homes picketed, and things will likely get worse as we get closer to July.
Also, this sourcing is very similar to a source the Washington Post quoted:
A person close to the court's most conservative members said Roberts told his fellow jurists in a private conference in early December that he planned to uphold the state law and write an opinion that left Roe and Casey in place for now. But the other conservatives were more interested in an opinion that overturned the precedents, the person said.
I wonder if the same person was authorized by the Justices--or even the Chief--to talk to the Post and Politico.
Fourth, Politico quotes someone else to discuss the sentiments of the liberal Justices:
A second person close to the court said that the liberal justices "are as shocked as anyone" by the revelation. "There are concerns for the integrity of the institution," this person said. "The views are uniform."
Now this person is simply "close to the court," but not close to conservatives or liberals. But this person is conveying personal sentiments from Justices Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan. They have "uniform" views with the conservatives. This leak should disabuse anyone that a Justice authorized this leak. And, presumably, none of these Justices know that their law clerks did it. It would be difficult for a Justice to share this concern for the Court's integrity, while knowingly harboring a clerk who caused that breach. Again, I do not think this leak came from a clerk, but someone else "within."
Fifth, Politico speculates that Roberts's vote is still in play:
In the Mississippi abortion case currently before the court, Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, it's not clear if Roberts will join the liberal justices in dissent, craft his own solo opinion in the case or perhaps join a watered-down version of Alito's draft.
Roberts could still try to lobby one of the five Republican-appointed justices to withdraw their support from Alito and sign onto a more centrist opinion that doesn't formally overturn Roe, but instead upholds Mississippi's 15-week cut off for performing most abortions. Such a move would deprive Alito of a majority and could maintain some federal guarantee of abortion rights, although precisely what regulations states could impose on abortion under such a scenario remains murky.
I take it that Alito's opinion still has five votes because there is no other opinion to join. Justices Kavanaugh and Barrett could still be waiting to see what the Chief cooks up. Or they may have already seen a private draft, like in Casey.
Roberts has not broadly circulated his draft concurrence, which would find a way to uphold the Mississippi law without overruling Roe and Casey. The delay in releasing that concurrence could explain the absence of any dissents. Why circulate a dissent if the majority may not hold. Kagan can keep her powder dry for now. But what is Roberts waiting for? Dobbs was argued in December. We are now in the second week in May. How long could it take to whip up a Chief blue plate special? Sophistry is not hard.
My cynical take is that circulating the draft opinion at the latest possible juncture creates chaos, and makes it more likely that things can move around without sufficient deliberation. This strategy resembles that of the death penalty abolitionists, who deliberately file last-minute appeals, hoping the rush causes a temporary stay. Of course, the response to this strategem is the Purcell principle. We are far too close to the end of the term to justify such a sudden shift in the process. I am mostly being facetious, but the analogy holds.
Sixth, Politico traces much of the current dysfunction to Roberts's decision in NFIB.
While Roberts is a conservative and has sided with his Republican-appointed colleagues again and again in cases involving voting rights, campaign finance and affirmative action, he seemed at times more like a swing justice on other issues, particularly over the past decade.
However, in a series of politically-charged cases, Roberts sided with the court's liberals to uphold the Affordable Care Act's individual mandate, reject then-President Donald Trump's repeal of protections for so-called Dreamers, and foil Trump administration plans to add a question about citizenship to the 2020 census.
Of those rulings, the Obamacare one ruffled the most feathers because Roberts reportedly reversed his position days before the decision was announced, ultimately voting to find the law constitutional.
"There is a price to be paid for what he did. Everybody remembers it," said an attorney close to several conservative justices, who was granted anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the court's arguments.
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To some extent, Roberts is also now a victim of the expectations he set for himself by publicly and repeatedly embracing the goal of building consensus on the court. Speaking at a legal conference in Atlanta last week following POLITICO's disclosure of the draft abortion opinion, he hinted at the perils of that approach and suggested he'd lowered his own horizons a bit.
"I learned on the court unanimous means 7-to-2," Roberts joked, according to the Washington Post.
I agree--and I swear, I am not the "attorney." I am not close to any Justice. They are wise to keep as far away from me as possible.
When Roberts came on the Court, he explicitly said that public perception would affect his approach to judging. A desire to have more unanimous decisions was an express appeal to build public confidence in the Court. But this decision had predictable consequences, as Roberts would eventually place a jurisprudence of public relations over a jurisprudence of law. Since NFIB, Roberts has been falling into the bottomless pit from which he cannot extract himself. And, alas, he is trying to take some of his new colleagues down with them. If they take the leap, this pressure does not vanish. It will simply increase in the next case. Home picketing will seem quaint.
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Leak? This is not a secret tribunal. We are owed the livestreaming of every utterance in that building, and Justice business meetings elsewhere. This is another lawyer denial game being played.
So all of the video from J6 should be released?
Why not? It was a pro-democracy protest against a failed elite. They executed an innocent protester. Imagine the litigation if the victim was a diverse Democrat. No one else was touched. The Swamp scum on both sides got hysterical, because someone said, boo.
The members of Congress have immunity for their official acts. So, retaliatory violence has full justification in formal logic. Formal logic is supreme over all laws, and over all ratified treaties. It has more certainty than the laws of physics.
We should also disclose all J6 informants and agents who were involved? I mean you're Mr. Transparency right?
Whitmer was a Fed-napping, J6 was a Fed-surrection and this is a fed operation also.
Paranoid, delusional, anti-government cranks are among my favorite conservative culture war casualties.
Until better Americans replace them, anyway.
That was just as stupid as I expected.
Occam’s razor suggests this is all coming from Ginny Thomas.
Ha seems like the opposite but please explain. My bet is it's collusion between the regime (Biden, Democratic party) and one or more of the lib justices. My bet is on not so wise latino woman.
Which explains why the regime is completely OK with the leaking. No ethical concerns because ends justify the means. They are part of it.
“ There is a price to be paid for what he did. Everybody remembers it," said an attorney close to several conservative justices, who was granted anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the court's arguments.”
That’s not a quote from an liberal justice or clerk. It’s obviously Ginni because 1) it’s coming from
someone with intimate knowledge of what the justices talk about in private 2) she’s extremely politically active 3) she has no qualms about communicating her thoughts with anyone outside the court or taking publicly active stances about litigation before the Court 4) she doesn’t care about norms or legality considering her efforts to overturn the 2020 election or to get meeting with Trump to identify which staffers to fire 5) she’s just batshit crazy and believes some deep QAnon level lore and is the kind of person to leave an angry voicemail to Anita Hill years later demanding that she apologize! 6) she has nothing to lose. She’s not a clerk who has a vested career interest in not being a leaker, she’s not a justice who can even theoretically face any political accountability.
You have proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with... geometric logic that you are right.
No. I’ve demonstrated that she’s the exact type of her person who would be leaking in order to obtain a result: shaming the conservative into sticking together. No other explanation makes as much sense.
"sense"
How would you know anything about that concept?
Uh the same way anyone does? By education and experience? That was an easy question.
Why and how would she have a draft to leak? Are you really just accusing Thomas of being careless with confidential papers or worse?
We've been through BDS and TDS. Now we have GDS. It may be the most deranged of all.
Poor Occam, people have abused his theory for 600 hundred years.
She's been married to Thomas his whole tenure, no leaks of opinions. Now she does it.
Sure, sure.
This isn’t just about the draft. This about everything coming out since the WSJ opinion piece. This current piece clearly identifies the source as an attorney close to the conservative justices and their deliberations. And we know from her texts with meadows or meetings with trump
that she’s not shy about norm-busting communicating about hot-button topics. And again: she has the least to lose. No career prospects.
She's never leaked before.
"she has the least to lose"
Her marriage. Her husband's relationships on the court.
You are being ridiculous.
She's never leaked before.
We don’t know that.
Her marriage. Her husband's relationships on the court.
Her marriage is fine, because it didn’t fall apart after her election interference or other activities. Her husband only needs relationships with four people to succeed in his goals. Why would he care about Also: this is the ULTIMATE goal. Nothing of this importance has been before the court in 30 years.
As for whether I’m being ridiculous:
https://twitter.com/jtlevy/status/1524388386248839168?s=21&t=tBVwNRe3vYhswp1GqaH5dQ
Jacob Levy is a serious thinker and is definitely familiar with Ockham.
I’d say your’re being ridiculously credulous. I mean you’re putting your faith in the integrity and discretion of a person who was texting Mark Meadows about the “Biden Crime Family” being on barges outside Guantanamo.
*missing a this
Jacob Levy is in Canada and has no personal knowledge of Ginni Thomas or the S/C or DC in general.
He’s also a really smart political scientist who is much smarter than the both of us. The question is whether it’s ridiculous to think it’s Ginni, not whether he has inside knowledge. And if someone that serious thinks it’s not ridiculous based on what is known about her past behavior…then it’s not a ridiculous theory.
Being smart doesn't mean he has any special knowledge on which to draw valid conclusions.
The question is whether the theory is ridiculous. Given everything we know about her personally and the content of the current leaks….it’s not ridiculous at all to think she’s involved.
The opinion needs to be aborted.
"Given everything we know about her personally and the content of the current leaks…."
There is zero evidence (that she is married to a justice does constitute evidence on this point) that she had access to the leaked information, particularly the draft opinion.
"We don’t know that."
No, we don't know that. Maybe she's leaked every draft since Thomas started with the Supreme court, and every last person she leaked to just declined to do anything with it.
Or maybe you should just admit that you've not no evidence that she has EVER leaked?
We need to distinguish between the leaked drafts and leaks in general about conversations and thought process. The court has a long history of the latter getting out into the world. So we can’t say with certainty that she’s never done that in another case before. Again, given her extreme aversion to discretion generally, you can’t claim she’s never “leaked” before.
You can't say with certainty that she's never done what you have no evidence that she's ever done.
Why are you even bothering with this silly exercise?
Do you know why character evidence and evidence of prior acts to prove conformity with the traits those acts suggest is excluded at trial? It’s not because it’s not relevant or probative, it’s because it’s too probative and will cause juries using their common sense to make some generally reasonable conclusions about the defendant. But in doing so they won’t be focusing on whether the state actually proved the elements of the crime charged. And of course, it’s not full proof, which is why you can’t use it when someone’s life or liberty is at stake. (As a general proposition of course 404(B) creates some pretty large loopholes)
But this isn’t a criminal trial. This is thinking about a likely candidate for the leaks, that are self-admittedly coming from associates of the conservative justices now. And who is it likely to be? A clerk who has a whole career to lose? Or a person with a long and documented track record of open discussion about major political issues with other connected people? A person for whom norms and discretion clearly do not matter.
But. You. Don't. Have. That. Evidence. Of. Prior. Acts.
All you have is that you don't like her politics.
Based on the corpus I've seen (this tweet), I would disagree.
https://matthewbutterick.com/chron/what-we-can-deduce-from-a-leaked-pdf.html
Oh and the apolitical typography nerd thinks it’s a family member too. And which spouse or family member is talking to people in DC the most?
Topography says zero about who leaked it. He's just wildly speculating.
Like you.
Man if I didn’t know that you think everyone who is arrested is guilty of a crime, you’d be an amazing juror for the defense from your ability to reduce all circumstantial evidence and public knowledge about a person’s activities to “wild speculation.”
1. His main reasoning (which has nothing to do with typography) relies on premises that, according to this latest article, are false.
2. His remaining arguments (which also have nothing to do with typography) seem pretty speculative to me.
3. If you think Butterick is a political, you must be pretty unfamiliar with his work.
I only know him from typography. Which is the only work that would cause one to be familiar with him.
I was for years a professional typographer, working on demanding tasks like logo designs for Fortune 500 corporations, corporate annual reports (back when they were expensively printed documents), corporate identity programs, and product labeling development.
I read the typography analysis hoping for more than was delivered. I have nothing to add. As far as it went, it was sound. I doubt anyone can mine much more out of the online-available typographic evidence.
If you had the original leaked document in hand, plus previously released documents from the Court for comparison, possibly more could be deduced. For instance, it might be possible to show the leak went through a printer different than those used at the Court. You might be able to make deductions about the production history of an available document's image—like what role scanning may have played, and in what sequence.
Sometimes exacting font comparisons turn up evidence which non-typographers would almost certainly miss. To do that work, you usually need printed paper copies. It is difficult to compare subtle type distinctions based on what you can see on a computer screen.
But even some unsubtle type distinctions typically escape notice. Not infrequently, for instance, different versions of a font will be all but indistinguishable, except for slight variations among the numerals. If you see variations in stuff like that, it can tell you a lot about the authenticity of a document.
https://practicaltypography.com/typography-2020.html#elizabeth-warren
(To be clear, Typography for Lawyers should be required reading in every 1L curriculum, and anyone who plans on writing anything more formal than a tweet should read Practical Typography. Nor is there anything either wrong or surprising about a lawyer from Los Angeles being a liberal. But the guy definitely has political opinions, like anyone else.)
My money is on Captain Picard coming back to this century in a time warp.
Its more likely than LTG's "theory".
Yes. Time travel is more likely than the most openly politically active spouse of a justice who texts conspiracy theories with the WH chief of staff about overturning elections leaking to the press.
Just absurdly credulous. Nigerian Prince levels of charity here.
LTG, I'd be careful about making accusations like you are. I am thinking of your writings about Judge Pryor (last year) that were completely wrong. Maybe wait a little bit?
Actually I was right that he was forced to respond to an ethics investigation because he had an obligation to do so. People doubted that at the time. I also don’t think the investigation was very good and find the “it was an elaborate set-up” explanation not totally plausible.
LTG, there was an investigation, and Judge Pryor was completely exonerated. That is the truth of the matter. You know it, and I know it. And I paid attention to what you had to say; I took it seriously because it was pretty serious stuff. It is not like I blew you off...no! I came back to you for updates. It mattered, LTG. And it did not matter that we are on different ideological planes.
That whole episode was very unfortunate. I would hate to see a repeat. There does not have to be. Maybe wait a little while and wait for the leaker to be 'outed'? Then tear them apart.
Forget it, he's a living version of the "Ackchyually Guy" meme.
you’re thinking of Brett.
I think the investigation sucked so I don’t care if it exonerated Pryor.
Don't bother. LawTalkingGuy found a way to convince themselves within about a day that the smear was correct and justified all along. Don't expect to see a speck of humility, recrimination, or decency on this.
It wasn’t a “smear,” it was published and no one knew about this supposed set up until the investigation!
The “investigation” didn’t interview many of the principles.
I was absolutely correct that Pryor would be forced to respond to this because he failed in his moral and ethical obligations to the bar and the public to assuage concerns about his chambers countenancing racism. People doubted that at the time. But I was right he had to respond (and then he played arrogant victim and was appalled that anyone could question his integrity).
So no. I don’t think I need to be humble on this. Holding judges to account is an extremely decent thing to do.
Nothing further.
BlueAnons gonna BlueAnon.
As I recall (I am not going to go back and check), LTG's complaint was that Pryor had refused to talk about it when the issue became public. The fact that Pryor had done the (bare minimum) due diligence means that he didn't commit malfeasance, but LTG's point had been that Pryor owed us that explanation.
Not while the investigation was actively underway, David. Judge Pryor could say nothing.
That's not true, although we need to be clearer: which investigation? There are two here:
1) Did Crystal whatshername send racist text messages?
2) Did Pryor do anything wrong in hiring Crystal whatshername?
The first investigation would've been over before Crystal whatshername was hired, and thus before her hiring was announced.
There was no legal or ethical prohibition on Pryor saying, in response to the original outcry, "Yes, in fact we checked this out before she was hired, and we're convinced that she's innocent." If he had done that, there would've been no second investigation.
That one didn't start until after her hiring was announced, and started because Pryor wouldn't say anything.
And I still don't think there's any legal or ethical prohibition on Pryor saying that same thing: "Yes, we checked this out before she was hired, and we're convinced that she's innocent." (But maybe there are rules that say that the subject of an ethics complaint is not supposed to talk about it. We don't normally gag the subject of an investigation, but maybe.)
David, I am thinking of #2 = 2) Did Pryor do anything wrong in hiring Crystal whatshername?
I just don't see how a judge being investigated could possibly make any comment at all regarding the investigation, ethically. It sucks for them because they cannot defend themselves (by saying "Yes, in fact we checked this out before she was hired, and we're convinced that she's innocent.")
I'm puzzled. It would certainly have been bad PR, but would there have been any legal issue if Pryor had said, "We didn't bother investigating allegations of racist text messages, because, even if true, racist text messages aren't illegal, they're an exercise of 1st amendment rights. So, why should we have cared?"
And you have what evidence that her husband shares anything about the inner workings of court deliberations with her? It's not enough to show that she is the type to leak, you have to also show she has access to leakable/leaked information.
Problem with that theory is Ginny Thomas would leak it to somewhere like the Federalist or JustTheNews, not Politico or the Washington post.
I'm going to guess if it is a conservative source then it's a clerk, clerks come and go and it's hard to vet them completely, they're young and would be easier for a reporter to seduce.
If it's a conservative justice, then it'll be Barrett or Kavenaugh, I say that just because they haven't been on the court long and these leaks haven't been going on for 20 years.
They don't have to catch the leaker because he works for them, that is the regime, that is "the party". They do have to protect them but he doesn't need caught. Just like the J6 pipe bomber.
Brilliant deductions, stemming from anonymous sources at Politico and the Washington Post.
Who could doubt a thing here?
"This leak should disabuse anyone that a Justice authorized this leak." Rest assured that it does _not_ do so.
Professor Blackman acknowledges that his post is “highly speculative” and “mostly facetious.”
As philosophers from well before Socrates have noted, wisdom begins with self-awareness. Temet nosce.
You can't fault him on that score: "I am not close to any Justice. They are wise to keep as far away from me as possible."
Finally a statement by JB that I can wholeheartedly agree with.
Exactly this. This smartest thing I have ever seen him write.
Professor Blackman acknowledges that his post is “highly speculative”
Nowhere in the post or anywhere else in this thread is that phrase...or even the word "speculative" used by the Professor. Why are you pretending that he said any such thing? Here's what he did say:
"I will return later in this post to (wildly) speculate why no other opinions have been circulated"
So he's not saying the post as a whole is speculative. He's saying that a point to be made later in it would be a (wild) speculation.
and “mostly facetious.”
He described a single analogy used for a single point as "mostly facetious", not the post as a whole, nor even the assertion being made.
As philosophers from well before Socrates have noted, wisdom begins with self-awareness.
Indeed. You should give that a try.
You caught me! I said “highly speculative” when he actually said “wildly speculative”! My super duper big baddie! Big super whoopdee doo! You really caught me telling a really big whopper about him, didn’t you?
Good lord what pedantry.
Again with the assuming that anonymous leaks are accurate. Sheesh.
I'd personally guess that the original leaker is a fan of Tom Clancy, and will not leak another version in order to avoid being caught in a Canary trap.
More like Grishman, no?
It's a spycraft technique, and I'm more familiar with Clancy. Does the legal profession encounter enough leaks to have evolved a similar technique?
More like Grishman, no?
Who?
Typo Grisham, John.
You knew who, come one.
Also, I continue to think that Robert’s opinion in NFIB was not merely a rational decision but correct. The Court had previously devise a test to determine when a payment was a “tax” and when a “penalty” in its Drexel Furniture decision, which addressed early 20th century attempts to use the taxing power to indirectly regulate matters the Court had held lay outside the Commerce Clause power. The Drexel test set a standard for when it is constitutional to ise the taxing power for this purpose and when it isn’t.
This makes Drexel Furniture and its test highly relevant to NFIB, because in NFIB the question was the same - can Congress use the taxing power to indirectly regulate a matter outside its commerce power?
And think Roberts was correct that Drexel Furnitue was the applicable precedent. And he applied tbe Drexel Furniture test correctly. Under Drexel Furniture, the “penalty” provided for in the AHCA was indisputably a tax for purposes of determining whether it lies within the Congressional taxing power. It does.
Professor Blackman may disagree with Drexel Furniture. He may think it should have been overruled. But a correct application of an on-point precedent - one addressing exactly the issue in question in the case at hand - simply cannot be characterized as a lawless opinion.
At least it cannot be fairly or justly characterized as a lawless opinion. At any rate not by someone who sufficiently retains what might have once been described as the characteristics of a gentleman to not let the enthusiasms of partisan fervor overcome basic principles of fairness, honesty, dignity, and repect for others.
As I understand it, the test in Drexel Furniture was whether the 'tax' was due if you departed from "a detailed and specified course of conduct". If it was, it was no tax, but a penalty.
I don't think Drexel helps you here, the ACA penalty was also levied if you departed from a detailed and specified course of conduct, to wit, securing health insurance of a highly specific nature.
Maybe SONZINSKY v. UNITED STATES would be more on point? Here, the NFA, which imposed a rather enormous tax on the sale of certain articles (Exceeding several thousand percent of their value, in some cases!) was held by the Court to be a tax, in large part because the Court declined to call an enactment a penalty if Congress called it a tax, and it yielded any revenue at all.
Of course, the ACA referred to it as a "penalty", so I don't think that helps you, either.
Predictably, you understand it wrong. That was the first of several characteristics the court pointed to in concluding it was a penalty: it did not represent the "test".
Yes, they had other measures, in addition to that.
Look, you can make excuses for ruling that a law Congress enacts to penalize not doing there will isn't a "penalty" if they SAY it's a tax.
But if they come right out and say in the law that it's a penalty? Confess right there in the text of the law?
Roberts is a hack who didn't care if he looked stupid.
You do realize Roberts initially thought the penalty/tax was unconstitutional BUT severable?? And now it has been repealed?? And yet I get attacked for bringing up Bush when we just extricated ourselves from Assghanistan last year!?! Move on with your life and maybe you will find inner peace.
SC,
" from Assghanistan"
There is no need for the childish turn or phrase.
Better to use that ploy for the present proxy war and Biden's desire to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian
Well I guess that's the difference between Ukraine and Afghanistan, the side we backed in Afghanistan (which we created) didn't want to fight nearly as much as the opposition did.
In Ukraine the Ukrainians clearly have an appetite for maintaining their independence. And given the fact we gave them assurances of assistance when they voluntarily gave up their nuclear weapons I can't see any problem providing the level of assistance we are giving them, as long as they are willing to keep fighting.
Yes, I'm aware that it's been repealed, or rather, set to zero. I hardly think that it's the only problem with the ACA, in fact the mandate was an effort to compensate for some of the bad incentives it set up.
None the less, the fact that, on deciding that it couldn't be severed, Roberts switched to calling it constitutional, and on such an obnoxious basis that literally nobody on the Court agreed with him, says a lot about him, and nothing good.
It's certainly not dispositive if they call it a fee for a license rather than a tax. The License Tax Cases, 72 U.S. 462, 474 (1866) ("[T]he requirement of payment for such licenses is only a mode of imposing taxes on the licensed business, and that the prohibition, under penalties, against carrying on the business without license is only a mode of enforcing the payment of such taxes.") So I'm not sure why calling it a penalty rather than a tax would be dispositive.
Because you're entitled to a "trial" before you pay a "penalty".
Let me suggest an analogy.
Congress has the power to draft people into the military.
Congress is forbidden from enacting bills of attainder, which is to say, they can't, legislatively, impose criminal penalties.
Can they enact a conscription law that conscripts specified people and directing that they serve their term of enlistment in a prison cell? And thus effect a bill of attainder, only it's OK because they didn't call it a "crime"?
You can imagine variations on this: Perhaps the conscripts can end their enlistment early by agreeing to comply with some command or other that Congress would not otherwise have the authority to demand.
You do realize that in Drexel Furniture Congress had come right out and ‘fessed up and said it was a tax, right there in the statute. Right in the ststute!
And the Supreme Court said in Drexel Furniture that courts should listen to the the label in the statute when determining whether a statutory payment requirement is a tax or a penality for purposes of determining whether it is within the scope of the Taxing Clause power. Instead, courts should apply an independent functional test, the Drexel Furniture test.
That’s exactly the test Roberts applied in NFIB to conclude that under the Drexel Furniture functional test, the “penalty” in the ACA was functionally a tax and hence within the Taxing Clause power. Like Drexel Furniture said to do, he ignored the label in the statute and applied the functional test.
If you think that’s crazy, your problem is with Drexel Furniture, not with Roberts.
Look, if the courts can recognize when Congress enacts a penalty, even if they call it a "tax", how hard is it to recognize when Congress enacts a penalty, and calls it a penalty???
Your argument is like saying that if the courts can find somebody guilty who says they're innocent, aren't they obligated to find somebody innocent after they've confessed to the crime?
Excellent analogy. They are, actually, if other evidence shows the confession was coerced or not reliable and the defendant didn’t actually commit the crime. They really are obligated to find him not guilty. Courts can’t even accept a guilty plea unless there is evidence of each element of the charge. Guilt is based on a kind of functional test, which does not rely solely on labels. Excellent analogy.
Sure, courts can find you innocent even if you plead guilty. It's damned rare, as you well know, because a guilty plea typically includes a plea agreement in which the defendant testifies to all the elements, and then the court declines to investigate on its own to see if that plea agreement is accurate. But it's possible.
It's never obligatory. The courts are not, as a matter of consistency, obligated to find people who plead guilty innocent, just because they frequently find people who plead innocent guilty. It doesn't work that way.
Congress is not legally entitled to levy a penalty. That's bill of attainder behavior. In this case, Congress SAID that they were levying a penalty. Whether you want to call that an admission against interest, or a guilty plea, it certainly strongly establishes that the penalty WAS a penalty.
Nobody else on the Court, IIRC, agreed with Roberts that the penalty was a "tax". The liberals didn't care if it was a penalty, the conservatives weren't going to dispute with Congress that they'd enacted a penalty. Roberts was alone in his excuse for upholding the ACA.
You're mixing up consistency in factfinding with consistency in findings of law. Which...you want to end SDP to satisfy your need to consistency at law! This is a helluva reversal.
And no, that's not 'bill of attainder behavior.' Not by any definition of bill of attainder I've ever seen actually in a legal case. You are free to make up new doctrines; you're not free to assume everyone will go along with you if you deploy them.
Finally, Justices having other arguments they prefer does not mean they disagree with all other reasoning.
Not that which justices agree changes the merits of legal analysis, as you of all people should know - you disagree with lots and lots of Justices all the time!
Really, a lot of changes from your usual jurisprudence here, Brett. Wonder why?
The Drexel test had multiple elements. One was the detailed and specific course of conduct, but another was an amount disproportionate to the value of the thing taxed. The statute the Supreme Court found to lie outside the taxing power in Drexel had BOTH a detailed course of conduct AND an amount disproportionate to the value of the thing taxed.
Sozinsky involved an amount disproportionate to the thing taxed without a requirement of any specific course of conduct unrelated to revenue raising. NFIB involved a requirement of a specific course if conduct, but the amount was not disproportionate to the value of the thing.
While the statutes in Sozinsky and NFIB each failed different prongs of the Drexel Furniture test, nonetheless both failed to satisfy all prongs. Accordingly, both cases are compatible with Drexel Furniture.
This is hilarious:
"This is the most serious assault on the court, perhaps from within, that the Supreme Court's ever experienced," said one person close to the court's conservatives, who spoke anonymously because of the sensitive nature of the court deliberations. "It's an understatement to say they are heavily, heavily burdened by this."
This leak of internal deliberations is a disgrace, says person leaking internal deliberations!
It's also possible that Politico created the "sources" out of thin air in order to promote a narrative that it is conservative justices or law clerks that are leaking. What self-respecting conservative would speak to a Politico reporter?
Yes, that's definitely something that a political journalist would do if they were interested in career suicide.
Can your spouse insure you against career suicide?
A real exercise of Occam’s razor.
Most verbal "leaks" are made up, either by the reporter or the "source", both being self serving.
Best defense juror ever.
In other words, the simplest explanation is the one uncomplicated by messy evidence, the one that cleanly reflects what I want to believe. It’s the explanation resulting in the least cognitive dissidence.
I have cultivated confidential sources and written a number of published reports deriving from information from those sources. I also have received unsolicited information as a journalist and (after investigation) used that information to prepare published reports. (This occurred decades ago.)
I have been a confidential source whose information has been published by professional journalists. (This has occurred more recently.)
Most of the comments at this blog, perhaps understandably (except perhaps with respect to comments advanced by a law professor), reflect scant familiarity with how any of this works.
Until we have an actual name on the leaker I am a bit loathe to believe it was someone associated with the "Conservative" justices.
It just seems to perfect; designed to allow the left to on a moral rampage with the press not holding back either and putting their full bias on show
For all we know nobody at the Supreme court leaked. Maybe somebody hacked their database, and pretended to have been on the inside.
That might be possible for the draft decision. It's not possible for the various comments by "people familiar with" the court/justices/deliberations/etc.
Yeah, but the draft opinion was not plausibly a fake, too much work would have been involved in generating it.
The various comments, OTOH? They could be fake. Or from people who, if we knew who they were, we'd immediately discount.
Bottom line, though, the comments don't have to have originated the same way the draft did, even if its release prompted them. It could even have been tacitly authorized "damage control" by the conservative members.
" Until we have an actual name on the leaker I am a bit loathe to believe it was someone associated with the "Conservative" justices. "
Strong evidence you are an uninformed, reflexively partisan observer with little experience concerning the relevant issues and evidence.
If the Justices, or some of them, are afraid to write their honest opinions for fear of violence against their hope, then it is 1787 again and we need to call another convention of the states. Or maybe two, with the country to be split up between them, hopefully without a war.
Instead of splitting the country, better Americans will just continue to defeat the lesser ideas and people at the American marketplace of ideas, continue to win the settled-but-not-quite-over culture war, and continue to the shape modern America's national progress against the preferences and efforts of conservatives.
homes, not hope. Damn spell checkers!