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Federal Statute Bans Picketing Judges' Residences "With The Intent of Influencing [the] Judge"
There's been talk of protests outside Supreme Court Justices' homes; but it appears likely that such protests are illegal, under 18 U.S.C. § 1507 (subsection numbers added),
- Whoever, with the intent of interfering with, obstructing, or impeding the administration of justice, or
- with the intent of influencing any judge, juror, witness, or court officer, in the discharge of his duty,
- pickets or parades in or near a building housing a court of the United States, or
- in or near a building or residence occupied or used by such judge, juror, witness, or court officer, or
- with such intent uses any sound-truck or similar device or resorts to any other demonstration in or near any such building or residence,
- shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
A similar provision focused just on picketing outside courts (equivalent to subsection 3 above) was upheld in Cox v. Louisiana (1965); and the logic of that decision would apply equally to residential picketing (subsection 4 above). [UPDATE: Note that U.S. v. Grace (1983), struck down a total ban on demonstrations near the Supreme Court; but the law there was "not limited to expressive activities that are intended to interfere with, obstruct, or impede the administration of justice," as Justice Marshall's separate opinion noted.] Here is Cox's logic, which was set forth in a protest of an impending trial, but which I think would apply to protests of an impending appellate decision as well:
There can be no question that a State has a legitimate interest in protecting its judicial system from the pressures which picketing near a courthouse might create. Since we are committed to a government of laws and not of men, it is of the utmost importance that the administration of justice be absolutely fair and orderly. This Court has recognized that the unhindered and untrammeled functioning of our courts is part of the very foundation of our constitutional democracy. The constitutional safeguards relating to the integrity of the criminal process attend every stage of a criminal proceeding, starting with arrest and culminating with a trial "in a courtroom presided over by a judge." There can be no doubt that they embrace the fundamental conception of a fair trial, and that they exclude influence or domination by either a hostile or friendly mob.
There is no room at any stage of judicial proceedings for such intervention; mob law is the very antithesis of due process. A State may adopt safeguards necessary and appropriate to assure that the administration of justice at all stages is free from outside control and influence. A narrowly drawn statute such as the one under review is obviously a safeguard both necessary and appropriate to vindicate the State's interest in assuring justice under law.
Nor does such a statute infringe upon the constitutionally protected rights of free speech and free assembly. The conduct which is the subject of this statute—picketing and parading—is subject to regulation even though intertwined with expression and association…..
Bridges v. California (1941) and Pennekamp v. Florida (1946) do not hold to the contrary. Both these cases dealt with the power of a judge to sentence for contempt persons who published or caused to be published writings commenting on judicial proceedings. They involved newspaper editorials, an editorial cartoon, and a telegram sent by a labor leader to the Secretary of Labor. Here we deal not with the contempt power—a power which is "based on a common law concept of the most general and undefined nature."
Rather, we are reviewing a statute narrowly drawn to punish specific conduct that infringes a substantial state interest in protecting the judicial process. We are not concerned here with such a pure form of expression as newspaper comment or a telegram by a citizen to a public official. We deal in this case not with free speech alone, but with expression mixed with particular conduct….
We hold that this statute on its face is a valid law dealing with conduct subject to regulation so as to vindicate important interests of society and that the fact that free speech is intermingled with such conduct does not bring with it constitutional protection….
Appellant additionally argues that his conviction violated due process as there was no evidence of intent to obstruct justice or influence any judicial official as required by the statute…. We have already noted that various witnesses and Cox himself stated that a major purpose of the demonstration was to protest what was considered to be an illegal arrest of 23 students. Thus, the very subject matter of the demonstration was an arrest which is normally the first step in a series of legal proceedings.
The demonstration was held in the vicinity of the courthouse where the students' trials would take place. The courthouse contained the judges who in normal course would be called upon to try the students' cases just as they tried appellant. Ronnie Moore, the student leader of the demonstration, a defense witness, stated, as we understand his testimony, that the demonstration was in part to protest injustice; he felt it was a form of "moral persuasion" and hoped it would have its effects. The fact that the students were not then on trial and had not been arraigned is not controlling in the face of this affirmative evidence manifesting the plain intent of the demonstrators to condemn the arrest and ensuing judicial proceedings against the prisoners as unfair and unwarranted.
The fact that by their lights appellant and the 2,000 students were seeking justice and not its obstruction is … irrelevant …. Louisiana, as we have pointed out supra, has the right to construe its statute to prevent parading and picketing from unduly influencing the administration of justice at any point or time in its process, regardless of whether the motives of the demonstrators are good or bad…. [And a]t the very least, a group of demonstrators parading and picketing before a courthouse where a criminal charge is pending, in protest against the arrest of those charged, may be presumed to intend to influence judges, jurors, witnesses or court officials.
Many thanks to commenter TwelveInchPianist for alerting me to the federal statute, as a response to my post about the likely inapplicable Virginia statute. (I had been aware of limits on protests outside courthouses, but I hadn't realized that they also applied to protests outside the homes of judges and others involved in the judicial process.)
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There is no way on God's green earth that the Democrat FBI/DOJ will do anything to these protestors. In fact, they're probably the ones paying them.
Another self dealt immunity by the lawyer dipshits. We are sick of you. No law should exempt the lawyer dipshit.
Prof. Volokh and these fans of his white, male blog deserve each other.
You can be sure that the Revisionist Arthur L. Kirkland will play the race card when he loses on the law or the facts.
Loses on what? The observation that this white, male blog has deteriorated into a hypocritical, partisan, flaming shitstorm? Or that it attracts a collection of grievance-consumed, fever-dreaming white nationalists?
Rev, you still talkin"?
"...white, male blog..."
Get a load of the Biologist over here.
A high school graduate should be more familiar with capitalization than that.
I’m using the term as a proper noun, genius.
You are capitalizing that term improperly. Get an education, you bigoted, worthless half-wit. Start with standard English.
I sense the only solution to your problems with be replacement.
Lol. Whatever, Biologist.
Priceless self-own, Rev. You must be swapping neurons with DiFi.
A typing error vs. obstinate illiteracy.
Chuckle away, chucklehead. That lack of judgment likely precipitates your bigotry and gullibility.
lol. Did you forget to proofreed your comment, Illiterate Biologist?
How about the Marshal of the Court who works for the CJ or the US Marshals, who though an executive branch agency have the mission:
" The USMS is a bureau within the U.S. Department of Justice, operating under the direction of the Attorney General,[3] but serves as the enforcement arm of the United States federal courts to ensure the effective operation of the judiciary and integrity of the Constitution."
then there are the VA and MD State police, as well as sheriffs
It seems to me governor Youngkin could enforce Virginia law with the state police, and the county sheriff could also enforce it. Although I realize EV was speculating in the earlier thread that the Virginia law is unconstitutional, the fact that the demonstration is also illegal under federal law would certainly strengthen state and local law enforcement's hand.
So, if anyone in the Biden Administration can be tied to providing support for such protests, it could constitute an actionable conspiracy? Well, I suspect we will see an investigation if the Republicans take either House.
If the past is any guide, Republicans will require much less pretense than that.
Interesting. And somewhat concerning. That law seems like it should be unconstitutional, at least in some circumstances.
If you are picketing with the intent of intimidating a judge into deciding a particular case one way or the other, I agree that's a bad thing and not necessarily protected as free speech. Make your arguments in court like everyone else has to do.
But what if you're protesting for the impeachment of a corrupt judge? I can easily see the wording above being applied to what should be protected speech about a government official. Why do judges deserve that protection from accountability when, as far as I know, members of the Legislative and Executive branches are denied it?
You can protest the corrupt judge in front of his workplace (the courthouse), or other public places associated with government.
(2) I strongly favor bans on residential picketing, but *only* if they apply to everybody, not just self-dealing judges. Let the justices confer with Congressional leaders and the Administration on a draft residential picketing ban that is deemed Constitutional to protect everybody.
Not sure I follow the "self-dealing". The judges aren't the ones who passed the statute.
If they uphold it after declaring statutes that protect other people's homes unConstitutional, than they would be self-dealing.
The prohibition includes "in or near a building housing a court of the United States."
Interesting. I did not notice that, and might sympathize with challenges to it.
But I believe this debate is mostly about residential picketing.
If you're protesting for the impeachment of a corrupt judge, the proper place to protest would be in from of the legislators who could remove the corrupt judge. Because the legislators are the ones who could impeach the judge.
Protesting in front of the corrupt judge is much less effective.
And yet the protests against a corrupt CEO are in front of his house, not the Board members who can fire him. Protests against a corrupt merchant are held in front of the store, not in front of the customer's houses. Protests against a corrupt president occur in front of the White House, not in front of the House who can impeach him.
Protests are regularly held in front of the person whose behavior you dislike. That's how you draw attention to them in order to motivate others to dislike them too.
Usually for a corrupt CEO, it's in front of the business. The board doesn't pay attention to the house of the CEO. It pays attention to the business.
Protests against a corrupt merchant are held in front of the store, because that's where the customers would be going. Protests about a corrupt merchant in front of his house wouldn't be very effective.
Or indeed, as is the case here, the protest is over the Court's apparent decision that our system is now the rule of men, not of law.
The argument proves too much, really. If a state may regulate public protests in order to protect their judicial systems from impermissible efforts at "moral persuasion," then certainly I see no limiting principle for why the same rationale shouldn't apply to any other utterance or publication. An op-ed in the WaPo or NYTimes ought to be just as proscribable (even if not proscribed by this statute), by this rationale.
In 1965 this may have been upheld but now a days it should not. The distinction between violating this and not is what you are saying. If you were there "protesting" that you love the way the courthouse looks, then you are good, but if do the same actions but are protesting a judicial opinion you are in violation. It is pure content based. Now of course it would be upheld because Calvinball.
Why 1965?
Haven't there been many protests around the Supreme Court building?
Yes. This blog apparently didn't want to mention that point.
No sane person questions the right of peaceable assembly at the workplace of the government official in question (eg judges at a courthouse). The issue is whether they can be picketed (and intimidated) at home, when they (and their neighbors) are off-duty.
So you are good with the friends of a guy on trial for murder, yelling at jurors, judges and witnesses as they enter the courthouse?
what constitutes intimidation to you?
Not an angry protest.
If it's an illegal protest, it can be dispersed.
But 'ooohhh, friends with a murderer' guilt by association is nothing. It's not enough for any kind of exception to the usual rules.
AMENDMENT I
Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;
or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and
to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
To me "peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances" means peaceable assembly in a public place like the Tea Party protest held in the park where I live. And I do not consider the hateful picketing of someone's home, or riotous acts like Portland or Jan 6th, to be peaceable assemblies to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
The First Amendment holds up remarkably well after 230 years, protecting what deserves protection. Those who cite it as protection for thuggery and intimidation have not read it, or hope to deceive others who have not read it.
That's nice ... who executes the law again?
" Many thanks to commenter TwelveInchPianist "
Prof. Volokh has switched from vanishing and banishing risque puns to repeating them.
What could have precipitated this 180-degree turn with respect to imposing censorship?
"risque puns" = anti-gay rhetoric directed at other commenters years ago.
He also banned "sl_ck-j_wed."
It was all about bristling at criticism of conservatives. That "civility standards" excuse was bullshit from the start and to the end.
I don't think rabid ableism is going to help your case.
My case needs no help. I'm on the right side of history and the winning side of the culture war, remember?
Next: Celebrating your replacement.
It's also a pretty weak pun. Succor? What a stretch.
His mind is like that, sadly. Weak, homophobic puns come naturally to him for some reason.
Volokh gets respect for how this was handled. Named the commentator who brought up what might be a form of contradiction to prior blog, and takes the issue head on.
That's the path to better understanding, if not always some ideal Truth.
Contrast to Twitter.
Good point. If this was Twitter, the smartass commenter would've been banned, and all his past comments would've been vanished.
You're patting Prof. Volokh on the back for acknowledging a comment from a fellow intolerant, disaffected clinger?
I guess you guys need to celebrate a win whenever you get half a chance.
So it seems the goal needs to be to make clear there's no intent to influence, and make sure you're not "obstruct"ing these supposed humans.
"I hope you die in a fire, shitbag" doesn't attempt to influence.
As I understand it, the Court has said a line is crossed from legitimate protest to proscribable speech integral to criminal conduct when the speech occurs in specific locations even though in all cases the speech is intended to influence a judge.
I can buy into this doctrine if the location morphs the speech into a threat, blackmail, bribery or otherwise unprotected speech. But in this case, I'm not persuaded the location does anything more than increase the intensity of the protest, which ought not render the speech unprotected.
"even though in all cases the speech is intended to influence a judge."
1) Is that necessarily true though? Is the speech intended to influence a judge, or is it intended to influence the legislators or general public?
2) As a practical matter, should a crowd of people protesting be allowed to help determine how a judge interprets a law?
I.E....should the judge potentially take the protestors wishes into effect when he or she interprets the law? Or should the wishes of the protestors play no role in how laws are interpreted?
1) As I read Cox, we can assume the speech is intended to influence a judge and the location is the only salient difference. But if I am wrong and the key distinction is the intent, then it implies that even a written editorial intended to influence a judge can be outlawed. And, that's an even worse outcome.
2) The judge can do as he wishes. Either way, it has no effect on the legal analysis.
Let's keep going with the analysis....
During a trial for a member of the mob, the jury addresses are released.
The Mob gets a bunch of paid protesters to protest outside the houses of the jury members, for weeks, demanding an innocent verdict.
And that is completely legitimate, because it's just a protest meant to persuade people.
Seems like that judge screwed up and didn't sequester the jury in this nationally important trial.
Consider how far and conspiratorial your hypothetical has wandered from the OP, and the facts in the case you're addressing.
As I said above, "I can buy into this doctrine if the location morphs the speech into a threat, blackmail, bribery or otherwise unprotected speech." In your hypothetical, the evidence suggests a threat. I don't see the same in this case, but I agree that is something for a jury to decide (beyond a reasonable doubt) so the law maybe facially constitutional if it is interpreted very narrowly.
A jury that a number of paid protestors are involved in...loudly protesting outside the jury member's house, family, place of employment....
Sure, no problem there....
That too would be subject to a jury trial if the law is very narrowly interpreted.
The purpose of speech is to change behavior in others, be it a decision or a tweak to your bread recipe.
Influence is not the same as threats. "You are a dirty shitbag for doing this" is not a threat, but an expression of contempt to try to...get someone to change behavior.
No such law when for two years mask-hating patriots descended on the homes of Doctors and School officials. As I recall the deplorables here applauded their free speech exercises at the time...now...not so much. Be careful, deplorables, what you say from one time to another? It tends to be remembered
1. I haven't heard about the incidents you're referring to. I suspect you're lying.
2. I certainly would not have applauded such behavior. I doubt many (any!) conservatives would.
He or she probably thinks white supremacists are on a crime spree too.
Protests are meant to sway the opinion of those whom are being protested in front of.
But we've got to ask a question here. Do we really want crowds of angry people swaying the opinion of judges who are supposed to be impartial arbiters of the law. Sitting outside the Judge's house, angrily chanting, and they won't leave unless they get what? It would be nice if judges were immune to such action, but they're human.
Sure, it may make sense in this case to you. But what about a contentious murder trial? Should a crowd be able to "persuade" a judge on how to rule by protesting outside his house? What about a case involving minority rights, with a minority that isn't well supported. A nice big crowd, full of the angry majority, who makes their wishes known to the judge... Day in, day out...
The law is there for a reason. There is a place for protests. Involving those people who make the laws, including congressmen. But if you want the laws to protect the rights of people, it makes sense not to allow protests....the power of crowds...to affect judges and decisions of law.
And there may be some black bloc types hiding in the crowd waiting for an opportune moment to throw a fire bomb (or worse) through a window before darting back into the safe anonymity of the crowd.
Remind me, who gets to nominate new Justices should any of the current Justices become unable to continue serving? And who confirms the replacement?
This is all pretty bad first amendment analysis.
There may be good 1A exceptions that explain why protesting outside a residence could be banned - time place and manner spring to mind (though note the asymmetry others above have) - but with no demonstration of coercion or 'black bloc types' y'all can't speculate your way around it.
Usually the 1A hasn't been held to speech designed to wrongly influence a judicial proceeding. Jury tampering, ex-parte communication with the judge, etc. can be prohibited.
None of which are protest, which is pretty center-mass 1A.
So, in Sarcastro's world, a bunch of paid protesters can "protest" loudly outside a Jury member's house on a trial, for weeks at a time.
Perfectly reasonable.
No, in my world you don't make policies based on extreme and conspiratorial hypotheticals that have not happened.
And there is such thing as an illegal protest already. We don't need a whole new exception to the 1A to deal with the fictional scenarios you're spinning out.
What's extreme or conspiratorial?
Makes perfect sense, if all protests are legal.
Do you think all protests are legal? Because I don't - just because protesting is at the core of 1A and subject to more 1A protection than most activities, doesn't mean it's time for anarchy.
Maybe? If its the right kind of protestors. Anything related to BLM or now abortion is OK. Anything goes no charges or dropped charges if they bother.
Wrong kind of protest, election protest, Covid restriction protest full force of the law and then some.
Consistency is not their thing. Equal protection under the law is over rated.
You do have an issue with saying stuff you're super sure of but without any evidence at wll.
But if you actually believe what you say, a new law or policy won't do anything since your declaration is that enforcement is corrupted.
So which is it? Do you just say shit you don't believe, or are you arguing for a law that you think is useless?
Are legally blind? Deaf? Dumb? I think the options got better at the end.
I don't have to dig up a bunch of links to prove that the J6 protestors are being treated differently than the BLM protestors. That liberal blue city DA's dropped a bunch of charges. It was literally a joke that the Portland protestors would get arrested ,not charged and then back out to protest the next night
Many of the non-violent J6 protestors were jailed not charged and held without bail for a year. That's for certain.
Today is Saturday. Also for certain.
What wreckinball is upset with is that white suspects are being treated the same as black ones.
This is an ignorant, and biased assessment. Unless you can read wreckinball's mind, you have no way of knowing the specific reason other than what he has stated. Additionally, many, perhaps most of the Portland protesters who were arrested, then released w/o being charged, were not black. Ditto the vast majority of black lives matter supporters. If you want to suggest or state that wreckinball is racist, you will need better evidence than this.
"None of which are protest, which is pretty center-mass 1A."
No more so than speech. As others have pointed out, you don't have any more right to protest outside a juror's house than you do to call up the juror and try to persuade him to vote a certain way.
So I don't know why you'd have any more right to protest outside a judge's house than you would to contact him outside of court and try to persuade him to decide a case a certain way.
Yes, and I'm not arguing about the existing laws, as I made pretty clear when I talked about time place and manner restrictions and illegal protests being a thing.
People are calling for new laws, or to enforce this law that protects only one class of person.
Are you defending that push?
Who exactly is calling for new laws here?. Laws barring protest outside the justices homes already exist.
Tell that to AL.
"Yes, and I'm not arguing about the existing laws, as I made pretty clear when I talked about time place and manner restrictions and illegal protests being a thing."
Laws against jury tampering aren't time place and manner restrictions, nor are rules against ex-parte contacting the judge. These are rules against trying to influence the judicial process through means that would be protected in any other context.
Laws against violent or intimidating protests are. Which is what AL is talking about as though they are unaddressed problems that require a complete ban on protesting like in the OP. His hypotheticals are dumb, but not hard to follow.
But this takes for granted that our judicial branch is staffed with angels. The First Amendment does not exist because we want a robust exchange of ideas, within a political system that functions normally and is appropriately responsive to the will of the people. It exists precisely because governments go astray, politicians insulate themselves from accountability, and so on, and we need to be able to draw attention to that and address it. That was the immediate political environment the Framers were responding to.
So - certainly, we don't want a "mob" trying to pressure a competent, conscientious judge handling a murder trial to let a favored defendant off. Similarly, we wouldn't want a mob of Trump supporters, acting at his apparent behest, trying to pressure judges and prosecutors considering whether he had engaged in criminal conduct relating to the 2020 election. But we can't just take for granted that our judges are competent, conscientious, and free of corruption. If they prove not to be - as, arguably, certain members of the Court have proven not to be - we ought to be able to protest that. The First Amendment exists precisely to provide a last-resort means of addressing that dysfunction.
The idea is that judges are supposed behave impartially, unlike legislators.
" Protests are meant to sway the opinion of those whom are being protested in front of. "
Not always. Some protests aim to persuade others 'don't associate with or respect these assholes' or merely to display disagreement and disgust.
When did that ever stop a leftist?
Well, it certainly prevented two months of molotovs and other assorted attempts to burn the courthouse in Portland.
Oh, wait - never mind.
Two months? I thought they started in June 2020 and kept going at least through October of that year.
Wow, those leftists real bad at burning down courthouses! 2 months of attempts, and complete failure!
Well, they did a much better job than the righties did of damaging the Capitol.
You don't think the Capitol was damaged?!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/capitol-riot-defendants-pay-damages-restitution/2021/06/03/74691812-c3ec-11eb-93f5-ee9558eecf4b_story.html
I thought that under the First Amendment speech that did not threaten harm and was not obscene could not be criminalized based on the speaker's motivation. I thought that Professor Volokh wrote law review article saying that.
Well, the article does discuss Cox v. Louisiana as an example of where the Court did uphold a speech restriction based on its purpose, see PDF pp. 19-20. (Note that the obscenity exception doesn't generally turn on the speaker's motivation.)
Ha ha you should study up on the J6 protestor court proceedings. The judges come right and say they are punishing the defendants for their viewpoints. So its OK precedent has been set.
BUT it's only applied one way. If it's the wrong viewpoint full force of the law and then some.
This is the right kind of protest so all laws are ignored. BLM style.
The Professor can't speak about J6 though so you won't find that comparison here. Is it personal or is it verboten on Reason overall?
The insurrections seem to be being convicted based on conduct.
"Viewpoints" -- lack of remorse, for example -- seem a reasonable consideration with respect to sentencing.
The professors could speak about the insurrection. They choose not to, likely because (1) they don't want to lose credibility with their core of delusional, un-American right-wing followers and/or (2) they recognize that expressing public support for the "stolen election" kooks would wreck their credibility among mainstream audiences.
Either way, cowardice is involved.
FRAUD! is actually the answer to SKONJ's query.
How about doctors? Plenty of doctors could have used this kind of protection in the 1990s. And how about scientists?
One thing we should do is add another classification to the "hate-crime" laws (actually forbidden victim-selection-criteria): besides enhancing punishments for criminals who select victims by race, religion, national origin, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, gender preference, or disability, also enhance punishments for criminals who select victims by profession, occupation, or livelihood. That would protect cops, and abortion providers, and scientists, and any other profession which the for-profit terror-cheerleaders decide to victimize.
And, again, some farm residents are more equal than others. What if it were unions? They seem to get a pass on a lot of intimidation tactics.
We deal in this case not with free speech alone, but with expression mixed with particular conduct….
Haven't seen that one before. Looks like a concept worth remembering. Picketers at abortion clinics come to mind.
Note also, the statute presumes legitimacy for the court, which I suppose it must do. What are the implications if it is a tyrannical court? Didn't the Star Chamber work that way? Just more opportunities for tyranny under color of law. All good?
A State may adopt safeguards necessary and appropriate to assure that the administration of justice at all stages is free from outside control and influence.
Bad news for the Federalist Society.
Don't agree with the law. But no worries these are the right kind of protestors so it won't be enforced.
These folks will get the BLM treatment.
One huge benefit to society from getting rid of Roe will be that all this energy will be redirected to where it is legitimate: trying to influence the legislative process in a representative democracy.
The court's actions to usurp the people were very unwise.
We will have a lot healthier society if states move toward European-style abortion limitations that try to respect differing perspectives.
Did you already forget this? https://reason.com/volokh/2022/05/03/the-final-epicycle-a-reply-to-blackman/?comments=true#comments
You commented on it, so I know you read it.
I have no clue what you’re trying to say.
Try using words that literally mean what you intend to communicate.
Your comment assumes legal struggles against Roe will be largely over, allowing energy to be redirected. Prof Kerr thinks that's not a correct assumption.
I'm seeing this a lot on the right (here and elsewhere) - that the culture war is all about the left as first mover and the right as just defending themselves. And that now the right has a victory, they assume the left is going to quit the field, having their constant attack be repulsed. Which is quite a false narrative.
One should note that *Cox* was not without critics., such as Harry Kalven. "Cox v. Louisiana is not one of the Court's more impressive performances. The Court has among its precedents a fine tradition about the public forum on which it did not sufficiently rely. Rather it displayed irritation and anxiety in confronting one of the most
difficult practical issues of the moment. Among the many hallmarks of an open society, surely one must be that not every group of people on the streets is "a mob," and another that "its streets time out of mind have been used for purposes of assembly, communicating thoughts between citizens, and discussing public questions.' https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=13342&context=journal_articles
That may all be true but what this mob is doing is committing a crime that anyone could call the police and have removed.
When a person's words or conduct jeopardizes another person's right to peace and tranquility, he or she may be charged with disturbing the peace.
Civil disobedience is always an option. Those who practice it, though, should be prepared to accept the consequences. I suspect there are some who will.
Regulation, yes. Prohibition, no. So I'd definitely say that this law should be ruled unconstitutional.
Gathering in the streets of a neighborhood for the purpose of harassing a Justice and his family should be as illegal as if it happened to you. Disturbing the peace is a criminal offense that involves disruptive behavior such as making excessively loud noise. When a person's words or conduct jeopardizes another person's right to peace and tranquility, he or she may be charged with disturbing the peace.
The Justices could call the local police and have the crowd removed because they are committing criminal behavior. Just as you could.
This question is for Mr. Volokh:
The law you describe prohibits protests intended to influence a Judge's work at the courthouse as well as their home. No distinction is made. This makes sense with most judges and litigation as there are distinct parties with a dispute and we don't want a mob to influence them. But protests outside the Supreme Court have been going on for decades without prosecution. Why?
I sense that the law would be unconsitutional if applied to the Supreme Court. Their decisions affect society and non-litigants in a way greater than Congress or the President in some cases. To interpret the law as you say would make them immune to protest.
A better way to address this is to pass laws prohibitting ALL residential protesting. Constitutional on their face.
Let me know if you agree.
Thanks
Jim Swiderski
The law that's cited references "judges". However, federal law draws distinctions between "judges" and "justices of the Supreme Court". See, 28 U.S. Code § 451. Also, note that the code of judicial conduct does not apply to justices (hence Thomas' nonrecusal over the Ginni Thomas tweet).
Therefore, federal law banning protests at the homes of judges does not protect the Alito homestead. But, I'm sure he could find a 15th century English treatise giving the local sheriff the duty of safeguarding the Justice's curtelage, mutton & medicinal leeches.
so much for impartiality.
Let's deconstruct the law.
picket. I guess Thornhill decision is meaningless. The Madsen case, the Hague case in Hague Justice Owen Roberts, writing for the Court, invoked the privileges and immunities clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to argue against... abridgement of the rights of assembly and petition. He reasoned that streets, parks, and public places belong to citizens and must be protected as public forums. But I guess since Judges are self-serving prima donnas (like Trump) the Constitution doesn't apply to them So much for a country of laws. Just make new laws when you feel put upon. The Judiciary should get a dose of their own medicine. Plus the federal law is not long standing, as Alito, quotes on Abortion. It was not a law in the 1780s and not contemplated by the founders. In Perry, Justice Byron R. White explained that there were three categories of government property for purposes of access for expressive activities.
Traditional, or quintessential, public forums;
limited, or designated, public forums;
and nonpublic forums.
In the first, “quintessential public forums, the government may not prohibit all communicative activity,” White wrote, explaining that content-based restrictions on speech were highly suspect.