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Court Dismisses Lawsuit Against Trump for His Use of the Terms "Chinese Virus" and "Kung Flu"
"No matter how deplorable the plaintiff finds the defendant's remarks, the First Amendment precludes civil liability for the remarks in order to protect the right to free and robust debate on matters of public concern, which the origin of the SARS-CoV-2 virus plainly is."
From the opinion by Judge John Koeltl (S.D.N.Y.) in Chinese Americans Civil Rights Coalition, Inc. v. Trump, just docketed today:
The complaint alleges that, in a number of statements, the defendant dubbed the SARS-CoV-2 virus the "Chinese virus" and "kung flu," among other names. The complaint does not allege that any statement was made in New York, although it alleges that many statements were made in tweets or press conferences. The complaint alleges that these statements were factual and defamatory, and that they "exposed Chinese/Asian Americans, to public discrimination, hate, contempt, ridicule, verbal abuse and physical violence as reported in many incidents across the country." The complaint alleges that there has been an "increase in anti-Asian incidents," including in New York, and identifies certain such incidents.
The court concluded that it lacked personal jurisdiction over Trump, given the relatively narrow New York "long-arm" statute (which might be called "short-fingered" rather than "long-arm"). But it also rejected the claims (for defamation and infliction of emotional distress) on the merits:
To state a claim for defamation under New York law, a plaintiff must allege, among other elements, a statement that is "of and concerning" the plaintiff. However, "[u]nder the group libel doctrine, when a reference is made to a large group of people, no individual within that group can fairly say that the statement is about him, nor can the 'group' as a whole state a claim for defamation." The group libel doctrine thus defeats the "of and concerning" element of a defamation claim. The group libel doctrine can be overcome only by a showing that the "the circumstances of the publication reasonably give rise to the conclusion that there is a particular reference to the member."
In this case, the plaintiff alleges that the defendant described the SARS-CoV-2 virus as the "Chinese virus," among other names. On the plaintiff's own allegations, the phrase refers to at least 22.9 million individuals. It is thus "a reference … to a large group of people," and the plaintiff has made no showing that "the circumstances of the publication reasonably give rise to the conclusion that there is a particular reference" to any particular member. The plaintiff's allegations therefore cannot support a claim for defamation [on behalf of its members] under the group libel doctrine.
The plaintiff organization also plainly does not allege a defamation claim on its own behalf, given that the complaint contains no allegations that the defendant made any statements about the plaintiff organization, and indeed the plaintiff organization was founded after all of the statements in the complaint were allegedly made. Accordingly, the complaint fails to state a claim for defamation of the plaintiff or of the plaintiff's members….
[T]he plaintiff has [also] failed to state a claim for either intentional or negligent infliction of emotional distress. The elements of intentional infliction of emotional distress are "(l) extreme and outrageous conduct; (2) the intentional or reckless nature of such conduct; (3) a causal relationship between the conduct and the resulting injury; and (4) severe emotional distress." The same test of extreme and outrageous conduct has also been applied to causes of action for negligent infliction of emotional distress. Negligent infliction of emotional distress also may be alleged on a "bystander" theory when a person is "threatened with physical harm as a result of defendant's negligence[,] and consequently … suffers emotional injury from witnessing the death or serious bodily injury of a member of her immediate family"; or on a "direct duty" theory when a plaintiff "suffers an emotional injury from defendant's breach of a duty which unreasonably endangered her own physical safety." …
As an initial matter, the plaintiff's claims for intentional and negligent infliction of emotional distress fail because they are based on the same alleged statements that give rise to the claim for defamation. They are therefore duplicative of the claim for defamation, and should be dismissed on that basis….
The claim for intentional infliction of emotional distress fails for the additional reason that the conduct alleged by the plaintiff is not so extreme or outrageous as to be covered by the tort of intentional infliction of emotional distress. The remarks at issue referred to the geographical origin of the virus rather than the responsibility of the millions of Asian Americans who had nothing to do with the virus. To fall within the ambit of the tort, the conduct must be "so outrageous in character, and so extreme in degree, as to go beyond all possible bounds of decency, and to be regarded as atrocious, and utterly intolerable in a civilized community." The comments in this case fall well short even of the language that courts have found insufficiently extreme or offensive to support an infliction of emotional distress claim….
The claim for negligent infliction of emotional distress fails because the conduct alleged does not rise to the level of extreme and outrageous conduct that has been found sufficient to justify liability, and the plaintiff has failed to assert sufficient allegations to assert a claim under the "bystander' theory or the "direct duty" theory….
Finally, the plaintiff's claims for intentional or negligent infliction of emotional distress fail for the additional reason that imposing liability for the alleged statements would violate the First Amendment. In Snyder v. Phelps (2011), the Supreme Court held that even where extreme and outrageous speech on a matter of public concern causes emotional distress to another, the First Amendment bars recovery in a civil damages action for the intentional infliction of emotional distress. "In public debate [we] must tolerate insulting, and even outrageous, speech in order to provide adequate 'breathing space' to the freedoms protected by the First Amendment." No matter how deplorable the plaintiff finds the defendant's remarks, the First Amendment precludes civil liability for the remarks in order to protect the right to free and robust debate on matters of public concern, which the origin of the SARS-CoV-2 virus plainly is….
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The Democrat harassers engaging in endless lawfare should be made to pay all costs from their personal assets. To deter.
Idiot incel stans Trump!
I don't stan Trump but am opposed to censorship in general, and the creeping censorship using harrassment as the motive for it, in an evil attempt to escape contained domains like business and college and escape into the wild.
Don't you?
What a ludicrous lawsuit. Has any individual in history been subject to such a pernicious, incessant campaign of harassing lawfare as Donald Trump? The judiciary did itself little credit in nakedly abetting it.
The "Chinese American Civil Rights Coalition" sounds a lot like the German American Bund of the 1930s.
Similarly, has any litigant-litigator combo in history been as pathetic and objectionable as Trump Election Litigation: Elite Strike Force?
Still rooting for a series of disbarments -- 12 to 15 sounds about right -- along that front.
The Disciplinary Counsel is just another Democrat attack dog and part of the Democrat Thought Police. The Democrat Party is the Party of the lawyer, the most toxic and failed occupation in the nation. Rev, why you still talkin', hypocrite?
You're smarter than this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_eligibility_litigation
So a New Yorker can defame someone in New York and then move out of state to escape jurisdiction?
If someone is a Florida resident, and while in Florida says something bad about someone in New York, then jurisdiction is going to be in...
"someone"
Perhaps you can point to, and give us the name of the individual someone who was defamed?
Weren't you just posting about the defamation exception from the long arm statute the other day?
Actually Trump "officially" moved to Florida in 2019, so I was wrong.
Deplorable, dishonest, boorish bigots have rights, too.
That is because they are STILL equal. The way people overcome incorrect beliefs is through experiences and exposure to better ideas. You want to take a short cut. There is nothing wring with short cuts, as long as they take you where you want to go. But in this case, it won’t get you there.
Why did openly bigoted opinions drop so when Civil Rights Laws were passed?
They didn't. Openly bigoted statements were declining well before the passage of civil rights laws. It was the change in societal opinion that made passage of the civil rights law possible, not the other way around.
In which case? Then one regarding which I stated without qualification that the lying boor has the same rights as people who are not lying boors? That shortcut?
Say what you will, he makes damn good puns. Maybe you can get him to give you some pointers, Arthur.
You figure any of those "puns" are the child of Trump's wit?
In this case, the plaintiff alleges that the defendant described the SARS-CoV-2 virus as the "Chinese virus," among other names. On the plaintiff's own allegations, the phrase refers to at least 22.9 million individuals.
No, it referred to the country of China, where the virus originated. It was a factual, and true, statement.
The petitioners should have been sanctioned for filing such a frivolous lawsuit
Who is the Plaintiff? Google has no search results for this organization. Made up Plaintiffs have standing?
Well, they do when you have a dishonest left wing "judge", and a left wing cause to advance
"Chinese Americans Civil Rights Coalition"
President Trump was not saying anything about Chinese Americans!
But even if he had -- how would that impinge on Chinese Americans' civil rights?! The idea that, as part of your "civil rights," you can prevent others from saying mean things about you is un-American.
I haven't read the complaint, but I bet it cites the (awful!) Supreme Court decision in Beauharnais v. Illinois. Thank God the judge did not see fit to reviver that "group libel" doctrine!
Why can you defame a group but not an individual?
If a court declares it has no jurisdiction, then any decision on the merits is dicta and not binding, neither on the parties nor on any other court.
District court decisions are never binding on any other court.
Yes they are, as to the same parties if another suit is brought in a different court. Collateral estoppel.
I've been before Koeltl. Not as bad as some, but still a federal judge, who thinks every word from his mouth is Law. (capital L!)
Nothing is lower than a Federal judge, maybe a serial rapist and murderer of children, or a journalist. Among federal judges, nothing is lower than a Supreme Court Justice. They are know nothing, Ivy indoctrinated, bookworms who cannot read the plain English of the constitution. For example, Article I Section 1 gives "all" legislative power to the Congress. "All" is a kindergarten word covered on Sesame Street, yet they feel free to repeal laws. If they feel the constitution is wrong, they need to get an Amendment enacted.
"Nothing is lower than a Federal judge"
Well, there's you.
The virus originated in an NIH, Fauci funded Chinese lab, likely let out on purpose. It could not be found in 80000 samples of wild animal blood. Kung Flu is just a pun and a joke. The Democrat is seeking to deny the truth, and to clamp down on jokes.
Whatever, Raymond.
Another thread discussed the decline in writing due to the rise of word processors. Would the dicta be in the order if the judge had to write it out by hand?
Even using something innocuous like Wuhan Influenza brings out the China shills.
It's a dumb lawsuit, but let's take a minute to think about the dumb President who said such things. "Chinese" can refer to the Chinese government or Chinese people on it's face. When a President says these kind of things he has an obligation to clarify or he's inviting harassment by his more dim and ugly followers. Presidents are literal figureheads, but I get that official carelessness in speech is a feature, not a bug to many of his fans.
How is filing this crap not sanctionable? Yeah, “Kung Flu” is sorta racist, but it doesn’t defame anybody. And “Chinese Virus” is clearly a reference to the country of China and implies that the virus started in that country, which is, you know, true.
The lawyers who clogged up a court with this garbage should suffer a consequence.
"“Chinese Virus” is clearly a reference to the country of China "
How is that 'clearly?' It literally on its face applies to Chinese people as much as China the country.
Normal, intelligent people use context to understand potentially ambiguous statements. Then there's you.
There is a right to petition, which includes reasonable attempts to extend the law.
It's a high burden to overcome that right.
This is a silly case but I prefer a light touch where some silly stuff gets through than being overinclusive on that front.
And it's hard not to notice how many of those defending Chinese Virus have issues with Chinese people and students etc. The blurry line between country/government/people seems something of a feature to no shortage of nationalist race-baiters.
"And it's hard not to notice how many of those defending Chinese Virus have issues with Chinese people and students etc. "
Really? Do you have any examples?
What do you think 'Chinese Communist Virus' is trying to say?
At whom do you think 'Kung-flu' is addressed?
A bit of Googling for 'ChiCom students volokh' found:
https://reason.com/volokh/2020/08/27/syracuse-u-professor-put-on-administrative-leave-for-referring-to-wuhan-flu-and-chinese-communist-party-virus/?comments=true#comment-8429140
""Chancellor Kent Syverud and members of Syracuse University’s leadership team recently traveled to China as part of the University’s efforts to build strong partnerships with China’s top universities in the areas of faculty and graduate collaboration and research.
Those efforts are also aimed at attracting top students and enhancing Syracuse University’s profile in China as part of the internationalization efforts identified in the Academic Strategic Plan."
Syracuse U is indeed in bed with the Chicoms."
But I know you've also seen red-baiting racism against the Chinese people on this blog very blog (especially during early Covid), and were just playing dumb because you'll defend anything if it might own the libs.
Pretty sure 99% of those you reference have a problem with the CCP. That many mistake the CCP for the Chinese people is on them.
Pretty sure plenty of those who use the word ChiComs aren’t being very careful about this distinction.
Yeah, Syracuse is sucking up to a government that engages in slave labor and genocide, but let’s be pissed because Trump said Kung Fu Virus.
This has nothing to do Chinese people here and the fact that you can’t make the distinction above is disappointing. To use your lingo, maybe you’re trying too hard to own the cons?
There is nothing wrong with accepting Chinese students. You are making my point by confusing the PRC with the Chinese People. Just because the PRC likes it doesn’t mean it’s a bad idea.
No; this was a frivolous lawsuit from top to bottom. Substantively and procedurally.
But what it doesn't appear to be is some politically motivated attack on Trump; it's some Chinese-American lawyer who got mad.
Really? You think sanctionable?
When we did frivolous lawsuits in Civ Pro, I recall we read some pretty windmill-tilty ones that were adjudicated legit.
Or are you using a more colloquial version of frivolous. Because I agree with that.
I would be much quicker with the sanctions pen than courts currently are. Yes, I absolutely think it's sanctionable. There's no remotely good faith basis for these claims.
A handful of people might be have issues with Chinese people - a few noisy idiots. The overwhelming majority of people who think the virus originated in China (which is virtually everyone because it obviously did) have no issues with Chinese people in America, citizen or otherwise.
You’re making the mistake of observing culture war media bullshit and trying to apply it to the society at large. The vast majority of people give zero shits about that stuff.
That might be. But politicians, especially Trump, play in those racial/nationalist waters as well. It’s not just Twitter aholes.
If Trump had been cinema-literate, or a reader, he would have said something about "Flu-Manchu".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X97hu__6cLI