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"Could Supreme Court Leaker Be Criminally Prosecuted? Maybe"
From Zack Smith & John Malcolm (Heritage Foundation's Daily Signal); Malcolm had been a federal prosecutor for 10 years:
First, there are no laws that would explicitly cover the unauthorized release of a draft opinion; they're not classified or national security materials. Maybe Congress could pass a law allowing them to be designated as such, but nothing like that currently exists.
As [Orin] Kerr points out, obviously, if someone obtained the copy through a hack—a remote but not impossible proposition since Politico's national security correspondent placed his name on the story's byline—or stole a physical copy of the draft opinion, those are clearly crimes.
But what if someone who worked for the Supreme Court and had access to it (like a law clerk) released it without permission?
There are a few possibilities for prosecution but nothing that guarantees success.
One remote possibility is prosecution for so-called honest services fraud. As the Congressional Research Service has said, Congress amended 18 U.S.C. §1346, "which defines the crimes of mail and wire fraud," to make clear that this statute extends "to conduct that deprives a person or group of the right to have another act in accordance with some externally imposed duty or obligation, regardless of whether the victim so deprived has suffered or would suffer a pecuniary harm."
Moreover, Supreme Court law clerks clearly take an oath pledging to maintain confidential information that they learn about as a result of their jobs in their justice's chambers. But the Supreme Court has pared back that statute's reach to cover "only those who, in violation of a fiduciary duty, participate in bribery or kickback schemes" and that seems an unlikely outcome here.
Another remote possibility is prosecution under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986, which is codified at 18 U.S.C. §1030. The act makes it a crime "to access a computer with authorization and to use such access to obtain or alter information in the computer that the accesser is not entitled so to obtain or alter."
But the court, just last term in Van Buren v. United States, held that this "provision covers those who obtain information from particular areas in the computer—such as files, folders, or databases—to which their computer access does not extend. It does not cover those who … have improper motives for obtaining information that is otherwise available to them."
A final potentially promising possibility is prosecution under 18 U.S.C. §641, which broadly deals with theft, embezzlement, or conversion of government property or governmental "things of value." The federal government has successfully prosecuted some leakers under this statute, but the federal circuit courts of appeal disagree about whether, and what, information can be a "thing of value."
But the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit is one of the circuits that has held an intangible item, like information, can be a "thing of value" under this statute, and since the Supreme Court is located within the District of Columbia Circuit, that increases the odds that this would be a chargeable offense. Still, prosecution under this statute is no slam dunk.
There are other measures that Chief Justice John Roberts could implement which might increase the odds of discovering who the leaker is and of a successful prosecution. 18 U.S.C. §1001 makes it a federal offense to knowingly and willfully make a materially false statement "in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative or judicial branch of the Government of the United States … "
The chief justice could ask all the law clerks, and anyone else who had access to Alito's draft opinion, to sign a statement saying that they were not the source of the leak. Assuming that they all sign the statement denying being the source of the leak, the chief justice could then ask law enforcement agents to interview each of those individuals. If the interview exposes the leaker, that individual could be prosecuted for having made a false statement in the declaration….
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Why focus (again) on clerks?
If we are playing Clue (Supreme Court edition):
Ginni Thomas.
In the clingerverse.
With a desire to disincline defections from the position God commanded her -- directly, with a drawl -- to preserve.
(Good luck getting the majority on this Court to cooperate with respect to any genuine effort toward accountability in the event of such a leak. They didn't go after the Obamacare leaker, either (so far as they public is aware).)
Puzzling. An inveterate opponent of anonymity in litigation is parsing ways to prosecute a clerk who made the Supreme Court more transparent. I saw nothing wrong with or to hide in the Alito opinion. He merely repeated what is self evident to the ordinary person.
Can one of the scumbags explain in plain English why this release was a bad thing?
Because it makes it more difficult for justices to change their minds, which has often happened in past. It is a deliberative process and people should be able to test ideas (that may be wrong) and change their minds.
Don't these resulting intense protests make it easier to change their minds?
No. The Supreme Court would not long endure if the public gets it into their heads that they can affect the outcome of a case by being loud.
It seems to me that there are fair warning due process problems with application of each of the referenced statutes.
If a conviction were obtained, and the defendant sought review by SCOTUS, would the justices recuse themselves?
Not Justice Thomas. Not even -- especially not -- if it is Ginni.
The fact of being prosecuted for any of the excuses that EV mentions would generally be pretty ruinous to the leaker's legal career.
Are you kidding? If the leaker is a conservative, and Trump encourages right-wingers to support the leaker, the leaker will have the opportunity to choose among federal clerkships, Jones Day offices, Koch legal department positions, backwater Senate seats, etc.
It would be a resume enhancement for the chief legal correspondent at CNN
Waaaaaaank.
No need to post the current chief legal analyst's resume, we can look it up.
Seems pretty clear that the culprit printed out a physical copy, which he then stole. That should be easy enough to prosecute.
As corrosive as this leak is to the institutions of our democracy and our political environment at the moment, let's not compound the damage and undermine the rule of law by creating an ex post facto crime if none exists under the law.
And let's not get carried away about the leak! It's not something that we want to repeat, obviously, and if the leaker gets found out (and it's not a Justice) there will probably be some career consequences, but at the same time what happened is that the basic reasoning of an opinion and the result of a case was released a little early. This is hardly the end of the world and there has to be something better for federal prosecutors to do.
what happened is that the basic reasoning of an opinion and the result of a case was released a little early. This is hardly the end of the world and there has to be something better for federal prosecutors to do.
Exactly.
I think the reaction to the leak we are seeing in some quarters is hugely overwrought.
And why just the speculation that it is a leftist that leaked?? What if CJ Roberts is trying to get Kavanaugh and ACB to switch and the leaker wants to force those two to remain committed to overturning Roe?? That would make the leaker a right winger. Please speculate responsibly people. 😉
One last thought—had Republicans in the Senate not put the kibosh on Miers then Roe/Casey would most likely remain the law of the land.
Ayep. I'm not for it, but it's not top of my concerns either.
If the leak was done by a lawyer, was it an ethics breach? Also, is there an ethics code for federal judicial clerks or federal employees?
As a arch-conservative, I don't think they should stretch interpretations of criminal statutes in order to get a prosecution. I think the penalties for the ethical violations will be sufficient. No doubt the offending person will become a hero to their side.
But this person is not a hero. If they were an attorney, they should be disbarred. If they are not an attorney, they should never be allowed to handle confidential information again.
If this leaker is determined to be a conservative -- the reporter came to Politico from the New York Sun, indicating a stable of Republican sources -- Darth Buckeye and other right-wingers are likely to switch positions on this one even quicker than Prof. Volokh switches from 'free speech champion' to 'hypocritical, viewpoint-driven, partisan censor.'
Getting a Supreme Court clerkship is like getting a Rhodes Scholarship…what person would be under 30 and risk their career after being told you are one of the chosen people who will have a red carpet rolled out for you for the rest of your life?!?
Someone who saw a repudiation of Roe within sight and perceived a higher calling -- a Mission from God, perhaps -- to disincline any defections. You know, a handmaiden type.
Have you ever observed the anti-abortion protesters outside a clinic?
I agree, speculation of who the leaker is should also include a right wing clerk that fears CJ Roberts twisting ACB’s and Kavanaugh’s arm to not overrule Roe/Casey.
Believing in procedures versus ends-justifies-the-means revenge does not make you an arch-conservative, it just makes you rational.
The requesting a statement be signed saying you did not leak the document, seems the most appropriate course of action.
Let's see, we could call it, hm, a "process crime," perhaps?
And if two or more clerks refused to sign, claiming it was a matter of principle and that such coercive methods of investigation were wrong, what then?
They're both accessories-after-the-fact, obviously 😉
If the legal industry had ethics this would be a violation and a clear sign the person in question places their own agenda over the integrity of the system they have no respect for. So it should be a bar on employment in the field. And they should be thankful they got off easier than Rittenhouse or one of the Jan 6th picnickers who did far less damage.
Realistically this sets them up for life and they can look forward to oodles of money, plumb do nothing jobs, the talking head circuit pulling faces with Trevor Noah, and a documentary film where their Holyweird doppleganger whirls around in a halo of light defending women's rights from hordes of scowling antichoicers in dark three piece suits or hillbilly wifebeaters. If they play their cards right.
You seem to assume this leaker is a liberal.
Do you similarly conclude the Obamacare leaker was a conservative?
It's not like the leaker was caught masturbating during a Zoom call discussing election disfunction.
Or paying for sex with a professional while his bimbo wife was home with their newborn.
Nah, I think you might be able to milk this for a few years, but not for a decades long career. A few years in you'd better actually be good at what you've been given to do, or have collected a lot of dirt, or it will be, "What have you done for us lately?"
I mean, Berger got off lightly for stealing from the national archives, and got some plumb jobs afterwards, but want to bet he hadn't photographed those documents before shredding them? He wasn't a dummy, he knew his CV needed "hoard of incriminating stuff" to be complete, he HAD been working for the Clintons, after all.
The false statements gambit is the way to go. The leaker will either lie and ultimately get caught, refuse to sign and thereby signal it's them, or quit and signal, too.
Setting aside their potential criminal exposure, if it's a lawyer, their legal career is over. Not only will they be shamed and ostracized in the legal profession, but they also will likely be hauled up on ethics charges for breaching confidentiality. While it's not attorney-client privileged material, they nonetheless have impeded the administration of justice. That's the old catchall and they've surely made a hash out of the court's operation. And, if they don't turn themselves in, they've committed another violation.
My money is on some clerical employee who ran another copy of the document and sent it out. This is a copy of a hard copy. If you look closely at the actual document on Politico's website, you can see where the staple was removed (neatly) and where the fold on the top page from someone reading it was. My bet is that, internally at the Court, they keep things in hard copy to avoid someone hitting reply-all and broadcasting to the world. Some low-level clerical employee got their knickers in a twist and sent it out.
Don't laugh. There's a guy from Maine doing 17 years or so and owing the US over $400 million in restitution. A couple years ago, he was a shipyard worker at Portsmouth Naval Shipyard and wanted to get off work early. So, he set a fire inside a nuclear submarine being overhauled there. It took days to put out and resulted in the Navy having to scrap the sub. (No radiation leaked). Some low-level laborer can still do a lot of damage. As I think was the case here.
I think you may be right. I can't imagine a lawyer or senior non-attorney staff person doing this. But Bari Weiss quoted a law professor friend of hers say that the lawyers graduating from Yale and the other elite schools have no problem in violating their oaths.
Bari Weiss quotes an anonymous friend making a blanket statement about YLS graduates.
Yeah. That's convincing.
Bari Weiss? Thank goodness she is firmly in the clinger camp now. She has been a cancerous, whiny misfit in everything she has touched since high school (or was it junior high school).
At least she is not rude and insulting like you are.
Yeah, her former coworkers and colleagues can't stop talking about what a congenial, reliable, well-adjusted person she is.
Actually, Bari's article makes some good points.
Maybe, but not the anonymous hearsay bit you just quoted.
Here is what Bari wrote:
I called up one of the smartest professors I know at one of the top law schools in the country, and he echoed that: “To my knowledge, it’s never happened before in the modern history of the court. It is the most serious possible breach.”
Serious, severe, shocking, he said. But in the end, not surprising. Why not? Here’s how he put it: “To me, the leak is not surprising because many of the people we’ve been graduating from schools like Yale are the kind of people who would do such a thing.”
What did he mean by that? “They think that everything is violence. And so everything is permitted.”
Her source sounds like a dope.
The Roe decision was leaked in the 70s.
The Obamacare deliberations were leaked more recently.
So this guy is smart, and a professor at a top law school, but is this severely uninformed and stupid -- as well as transparently partisan, a culture war casualty?
Nasty, rude and insulting. 😉
I have never seen a more clearly fabricated quote.
You believe that is a thing a Yale Prof would say???
Absolutely. Just not on the record. What’s your evidence that it’s fabricated?
Really? Just out of the blue reengage to say you're graduating unprincipled pieces of shit? Conveniently invoking the exact same bullshit tropes that right-wingers who have not been on campus in decades do?
This is not how profs think about their students, and this is not the terms a prof uses, and this is also not what's happening on campus.
Of course you will gobble this up, because you love to be misinformed about what's actually happening on campus.
I could believe, with a bit of more evidence, that Prof. Chua at Yale would be dumb and disaffected enough to say something like that. Getting caught and exposed seems to have embittered her.
So no evidence, it just doesn't comport with your narrative. Typical left-wing analysis.
Any evidence that goes against your views is clearly fabricated. Got it.
Yes, we all know you want to be lied to these days and have completely turned off your critical thinking skills.
Shame.
Lol. And you want to believe that we're being lied to.
But when asked to support your claim with evidence, you respond with, muh narrative!
That's supposed to be a right-wing parody of leftists, not an actual left-wing argument.
Maybe someone won't believe this exchange is real because it supports right-wing tropes so cleanly.
Yale profs that drop private reveals that sound like Gateway Pundit are totally expected in your worldview, which...OK.
But the fact that you discard how this aligns *exactly* with both the tone and substance of the narrative Weiss is pushing should give you a bit of pause.
Like, this is 'Everyone stood and clapped' level.
It doesn't sound like the gateway pundit to me, and the quote sounds plausible.
I don't think it aligns with the tone and substance of Weiss's narrative enough to give anybody pause.
Still no evidence to support the fabrication claim, eh?
Sarcastr0 — Note, no link to Yale is stated or implied. Which just makes the quote more preposterous.
Unless all but one of the clerks thinks the leak was bad, you could have an "I am Spartacus" moment if you try to make them sign a denial.
You would need a large fraction of them to have that sentiment. While only one person is Spartacus, several people could leak a draft opinion, and all of them would be worthy of punishment.
If it's a lawyer he/she should be disbarred for life. Kenesaw Mountain Landis did this in the blacksox scandal. Set an example loud and clear.
Why would the law clerks sign a statement of non-guilt? There is no way that Roberts could compel them to make such a statement, and if he does ... could they not legitimately claim coercion and make whatever statement is required?
I don't see how you could make criminal charges stick ... however, if there is conclusive evidence of guilt, just making that public should keep the culprit out of the legal profession for a long time. No one wants to hire someone who stole from their former employer, regardless of their ideology.
Is signing a statement really necessary? Roberts could have the Marshall or FBI interview every clerk individually as part of the investigation. Lying in that context would presumably be a crime just as much as lying to law enforcement is in any other investigation. Of course, a lying to LE is only a crime if it's relevant to a crime. If there's no underlying crime (i.e. releasing the draft was not illegal) then lying about it isn't a crime either.
Relevance to a crime is not the statuory requirement. Materiality to the subject of the inquiry is.
I'm sure SC law clerks are enough aware of the Fifth Amendment to remain silent.
OTOH, they are probably also eager for a letter of recommendation upon exit.
That is something that is very much not true.
Just ask Martha Stewart.
Also, a husband and wife can't be prosecuted for the same crime.
"Also, a husband and wife can't be prosecuted for the same crime."
What do you mean by this? The same instance of a crime, or each for an instance of the same crime?
So a husband and wife conspire to commit murder, and only one can be convicted?
Meh. If it's that ambiguous people shouldn't be going to jail.
Fire the person (one assumes that's allowed...) and let the Internet take care of their future job prospects.
If it's that ambiguous people shouldn't be going to jail.
I'd argue that a criminal prosecution would make the court look worse than the leak does. It would be real stretch, and be seen as pure vindictiveness.
And why should this be a criminal matter anyway? I suppose if the leaker sold the draft, or took a bribe or something that might be an issue. Otherwise I don't see it.
If I told you that such a prosecution would predictably precipitate an investigation into the Volokh Conspirators' involvement in the Obamacare deliberations leak, would that change your mind?
Setting aside everything else, the court doesn’t decide whether to prosecute; the DOJ does.
True, but wouldn't the DOJ be influenced by the court's wishes?
I agree, they should not be going to jail. But there needs to be a thorough investigation and all employees should be required to sign sworn affidavits. If they are later found to have lied, they should not be prosecuted; the lying should just result in greater professional sanctions.
"could they not legitimately claim coercion"
What coercion?
in that hypothetical they are employees who have violated their terms of employment.
We were talking about law clerks being coerced, under threat of *law*, to sign a document attesting to their non-involvement in the leak. This would not just be an employment dispute.
I don't understand what you're saying here. They're being threatened with termination if they don't attest that they weren't the leaker. Obviously that gives them four choices:
1) Quit.
2) Refuse to sign, and be terminated.
3) Sign truthfully.
4) Sign falsely, and be prosecuted.
Perhaps I misunderstood the threat ... I thought criminal charges were in play for a refusal to sign.
Just fire the person and move on. As serious as this is.
Clean it all out Cant' have this sort of stuff happening.
What if it is Ginni Thomas? Which punishment would be appropriate, in your judgment, for her?
What if it is Amit Jain, a clerk for the wide latina? Politically opposed to Kavanaugh, was quoted by Politico's Gershin, who released the story...
There is of course not the slightest evidence that it is Amit Jain. This is the Ed Whelan doppleganger reveal or the Boston Marathon bomber reddit debacle: randos with no evidence or common sense coming up with stupid arguments.
This is irresponsible. Don't do this.
I agree, we don't know who did it and it may not have even been a law clerk. Don't help harm a potentially innocent person's reputation by repeating unsourced rumors.
So, likely no punishment of consequence for the leaker.
Say however that a person was convicted of some criminal complaint....how could they be, since the normal process of appeals (up to the USSC) would be unavailable to them? The Court could not sit in judgement against a person who committed a crime against the court....
What if someone refuses to sign, but maintains their innocence?
Let's say someone thinks the leaker shouldn't be punished, and doesn't want to help the cops. Or has another reason.
Then they get fired for refusing to cooperate with the investigation.
Offer the leaker the job of hosting a popular late night 'comedy' show where they can lecture millions of other progs to their hearts content to draw them out.
What are you bitter about now?
It will be interesting to observe the clingers' tunes when the Volokh Conspirators are lined up and asked to sign declarations about the leak associated with Obamacare deliberations.
My advice to the investigators would be alphabetical order. Barnett, Blackman . . .
I would pay $10,000 -- which could be used to defray expenses of the investigation -- for a seat at those interrogations.
Do law clerks even sign an NDA?
In business, this would be taken care of by that, and associated civil claims.
They may not have signed an NDA but they may have signed an employment agreement when they were hired and usually those will have some sort of confidentiality provisions.
Would this be applicable? I don't know, but some expert person should enlighten us.
18 U.S. Code § 401 - Power of court
A court of the United States shall have power to punish by fine or imprisonment, or both, at its discretion, such contempt of its authority, and none other, as—
(1)Misbehavior of any person in its presence or so near thereto as to obstruct the administration of justice;
(2)Misbehavior of any of its officers in their official transactions;
(3)Disobedience or resistance to its lawful writ, process, order, rule, decree, or command.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/401
Yes, possibly. Still, I prefer civil and professional sanctions.
I would think the leaker could certainly be held in contempt of court. And if I recall correctly there is a precedent, albeit from 100 years ago, in which the Supreme Court held a trial, found the defendant guilty of contempt of court, and gave him two years.
Is this the case:
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/35732/contempt-of-court-by-mark-curriden-and-leroy-phillips-jr/
That is the case.
Might be a good test case to see if there's a source privilege.
If Roberts doesn't use the court's inherent power to compel Politico to divulge the leaker, it's Roberts. .
In Branzburg v. Hayes (1972) SCOTUS rejected a news reporter's claim of First Amendment privilege when called before a state grand jury to testify about a matter within the reporter's personal knowledge.
Should be easy to find the leaker then.
1) That requires a grand jury, not an investigation by the marshal of the court.
2) Why do you think the reporters would talk?
Where does Roberts get the power to force Politico to do anything?
Here's a clue: nowhere.
The same place Congress gets the power to force Trump officials to testify. The court's inherent power.
The Court has unlimited inherent power over everyone? There are genuinely religious God-fearing folks who would not grant even God has so much.
IDK. I'd start with whatever statute/precedent was used to justify the Ashley Biden raid.
A bigger question is when we're going to mention the utter hypocrisy of the GOP.
Being told to wear a mask during a pandemic resulted in cries about "my body, my choice" and "my freedom is under assault for having to wear a mask." Vaccines? Same complaint.
Abortion though? Suddenly 'my body, my choice' doesn't apply, and it's revealed that the GOP attitude is really just "bitch, get back in the kitchen and do what *I* tell you."
"Freedom for me, but not for thee."
Seems like there is plenty of that type of hypocrisy on both sides.
Of course, the pro-life position is that it's not her body.
But the whole "my body" thing might be a solution to some of the more intrusive forms of FGM. Simply perform the procedure in utero, when it's still the mom's choice.
I'm not particularly interested in the Republican wing of the duopoly, except in those rare cases where they can be dragged kicking and screaming into temporarily supporting something resembling the right thing. Of course, this rarely happens, but sometimes they can be induced to be a little bit less bad than the Democratic wing of the duopoly. Then the useful idiots for the wings of the duopoly denounce each other as if their positions were oceans apart, rather than puddle-length.
I don’t think it’s puddle length when one side wants a woman to control her reproductive choices and the other side thinks the state should.
One side subjects the lives of unborn children to the whims of judicial majorities, the other side subjects the lives of unborn children to the whims of legislative majorities - any one of whom can declare their state an abortion haven for pregnant women from other states.
No, you’re drawing the wrong distinction. The correct distinction is woman’s individual choice versus choice made by some arm of the state. It doesn’t matter if the arm is legislative or judicial.
Just because you think that's the correct distinction doesn't mean it is. The main problem in the abortion debate is that the two sides are having completely separate debates.
Seems that you have the hypocrisy backwards ... the same people shouting "my body my choice" for abortion had no problems forcing vaccines on every human on the face of the earth based on their own untested belief that this would stop a pandemic.
I can understand why you'd make such a comment. I can't understand how you think anyone's not going to notice your deliberate lie that vaccines were forced 'on every human on the face of the earth...'
Imagine if you had any credibility left to lose.
Please read my comment carefully. These people did not have any philosophical or moral problems with forcing the vaccines ... they simply have not (yet) been successful due to external factors beyond their control.
Since nobody actually attempted to do such a thing, your statement is in fact still a lie.
There are even healthcare workers who lost their jobs because they wouldn't get vaccinated, to say nothing of the vaccination requirement placed on the entire federal workforce. Stop spreading disinformation.
Dave,
Sometimes it helps to have a reading comprehension above elementary school.
"...forcing vaccines on every human on the face of the earth"
Do healthcare workers, and the federal workforce, encompass 'every human on the face of the earth?'
Reading comprehension at levels beyond grade school implies an ability to discern deliberate hyperbole to make a point from pure literalism. It's clear it was an exaggeration to make a point that he didn't believe anyone would take literally. It's a manner of speaking.
When I see a non-hyperbolic argument from AtR, then I'll consider giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Hyperbole is only a defense when it isn't 100% of your arguments.
The other thing stupid about the claim that the right to abortion is based on a woman's right to control her body is that neither a woman nor a man is permitted to inject illegal drugs into their bodies. Just a dumb argument.
You have bigger issues if you think that's actually a winning argument.
Alito actually raised that in his draft: if there's a right to bodily autonomy, then the state couldn't outlaw drugs or prostitution.
It's a weak argument, and as far as Alito is concerned, a results-based one. He clearly worked backwards from his desired outcome and invented his rationale.
Prohibiting illegal drug use (which I do not 100% agree with what is considered 'illegal') is hardly the same thing as allowing people the right to seek medical care they desire.
I'm not sure what the argument for banning prostitution is, or under what authority the various laws have done so. I happen to think that it is a mistake, and that as long as coercion is not involved, it should be legal between consenting adults. I'd say there's a far stronger argument for legalizing prostitution than prohibiting the termination of a pregnancy.
"the right to seek medical care they desire."
The well worn leftist trope that abortion is health care.
It quite literally is.
Your failure to recognize this basic fact suggests the overall topic is much too complicated for your input to be of any use.
"hardly the same thing as allowing people the right to seek medical care they desire."
Such as for instance, preventing people from using ivermectin if they wish. Or, any number of medicines found to be ineffective or dangerous.
You're really bad at this.
Controlled substances and medical licensing are still things.
I actually agree with Alito on that point and agree that the state can't outlaw drugs or prostitution.
Leaving aside all the quibbles over Covid, what is wrong in principle with forcing vaccines to stop deadly contagion? Whatever basis for constraint you imagine, it can't apply to state control of reproductive decisions. Pregnancy is not contagious.
Of course you are still free to go back to protecting unborn life. Stick with that.
"what is wrong in principle with forcing vaccines to stop deadly contagion" - the underlying premise is wrong. For your principle to be reasonable,
(i) we must have overwhelmingly convincing evidence that the vaccine will stop deadly contagion,
(ii) we must have overwhelming confidence in the state to make the right determination in applying force.
I probably don't need to remind you that purported disease has long been used as a cudgel against minorities (most notably, Jewish communities were blamed for the Black Death, witchcraft for neurological disorders, and Jews (again) for typhus during WWII.
Josh Blackman is a terrible writer, his analysis is shit, why do you continue to let him ruin your legacy? He’s a fucking hack. Professor, I beg you, disassociate. He cannot replace Barnett and Bernstein. This is a disgrace. Does he have the goods on you? What’s the fucking deal man?
Well, there's a convincing argument if I ever heard one.
I'm going to try this line of argument in my next business meeting. What's the f** deal, man? Does someone have the goods on you?
I'll let you know how it goes...
If you've followed the blog long enough, you realize that there have always been great VCers, good VCers, and, well, bad ones.
The saving grace is that the best posters tended to write the most, and the worst posters weren't that common. It was a blog that attracted law students, law professors, practitioners, and others from both the right and the left because it had knowledgeable people talking about interesting topics.
Now? Well, two of the best of them (Kerr and Baude) barely qualify as blogging here anymore. Adler is sporadic at best. It's pretty much the Josh Blackman show. And .... he's not good. Quantity is not a suitable replacement for quality, and it's worse when the quantity is often so bad.
Put more simply- the VC built a brand that really did mean something in terms of quality; to the extent that most days it's the Blackman talking about himself blog, it's not exactly the same.
But NTOJ (who has also been here a long time) put it more succinctly.
I believe Prof. Volokh knew precisely what he was getting when he brought Prof. Blackman aboard.
And that it is precisely what he wanted.
Full clinger with a juvenile twist.
Why is it a woman's right to choose if men can now also give birth? Also, since none of the justices are biologists, how can they even figure out if the person seeking an abortion is a woman?
Are *you* a biologist? How can you figure out whether "men" can give birth if you're guilty of the same lack of expertise you pretend everyone else has?
Let's run an experiment and find out if you're more or less clever after being muted.
SKofNJ isn't saying one needs to be a biologist, he or she is making fun of those who do.
The left did pivot from "I don't know what a woman is" to "this is attacking women and only women" awfully quickly.
They're missing 18 U.S.C. 1832 -- theft of trade secrets.
The questions would be whether the conversion is intended to provide an economic benefit to anyone (likely that it was intended to provide an economic benefit to *someone*, whether it was lobbies that support or oppose abortion or related political parties to capitalize on fundraising efforts therefrom)
The real question, though is whether the draft opinion had independent economic value from its secrecy (see the definition of a trade secret in 1839(3)(B)).
The 15 or so Mueller prosecutors who wiped their govt phones clean should be prosecuted under the "conversion of govt property" statute. The contents of their phones were govt property and they intentionally exercised improper authority over that property and deleted it. (I will add that I know that they all lied and said it was accidental. Interesting that about 15 of them have the same problem at the same time and that Weismann claims to have screwed up his password twice and to have accidentally deleted the contents of 2 phones)
Yes, but they won't be.
I think Mark Graber's historical recount of "Judicial Leaking Nineteenth-Century Style" (https://theconstitutionalist.org/2022/05/03/judicial-leaking-nineteenth-century-style/ ) puts the current leak in a slightly sobering perspective. Ginny Thomas wouldn't have even been a blip, then — other maybe than a "lesser meddling" in serious male business. Unfortunately, Graber doesn't elaborate on "contemporary Supreme Court leaks are more common than publicly acknowledged."
Don't get me wrong, I think the tightening of ethical rules in the Court IS progress, and certainly, Clarence should have recused himself when Ginny might have been a target of investigation. But leaking Court documents isn't either such an earth shattering event as some would have it.
that is ... "a 'lesser being' meddling ..."
Based on these comments, and the similar talking points deployed in the wider media, there is now a clear consensus about the political allegiance of the leaker.
Based on the Internet speculating, and also talking heads speculating, we have a clear consensus!
LOL.
Ya think it may be someone who works for one of the communist judges? Captain Obvious. What is more interesting is was said clerk directed by the communist judge? I'm guessing not so wise Latino woman.
Did not so wise Latino woman cover her tracks? Doesn't matter because no one will be prosecuted. It will be treated like a Michael Byrd homicide not a Derek Chauvin homicide
I'm not so interested in who the leaker(s) is or are as I am in what they seek to gain by leaking. Here are the benefits as I see them thus far, and what they imply about the leaker's ultimate motives:
1. Leaking will discourage the sharing of written drafts, and that in turn will discourage making compromises on the details of rulings, which by necessity must be written down in order to discuss them. The leaker(s) want the Court to become more polarized.
2. Leaking will make the justices and their staff distrust one another, and that in turn will discourage any personal connections. The leaker(s) do not want the Court to be a collegial body.
3. Leaking will inflame public passions. The leaker(s) want the country to become more polarized, even to the point of civic disorder.
4. Leaking will force abortion to the top of the news and social media for several cycles. The leaked document is several months old, so presumably it has been possible to leak it for some time. The timing of the leak is significant. The leaker(s) want to sweep away the news we are hearing at this particular point in time.
So, the ultimate motives of the leaker(s) are:
- Force the Court into political corners
- Force the country into civil unrest
- Capture the news cycle
I really think people are missing a lot by assuming there is some strategy behind this. People do stuff for short-sighted, badly thought out, and emotional reasons all the time.
That is a possibility, sure. But I think the timing of this weighs against that interpretation.
Well, there's a motive behind it, if not a full-fledged strategy.
I second that.
The only question nowadays is: how will something help or hurt my personal brand. Nobody really has any loyalty to "institutions" nowadays, much less something as abstract as "democratic norms."
The questions we should be asking are things like: 1) will the leaker get $$$ for a Netflix movie deal; 2) can the leaker leverage this into a sweet position in academia or Wall Street; 3) will the notrietary help the leaker run for political office; etc....
I did think about that angle, but if the leaker(s) are insiders, as we're all assuming, then it's hard to imagine people being willing to throw their entire career away for mere money or personal fame. I presume one doesn't get to be a Supreme Court clerk unless you're pretty dedicated to the practice of law!
Who says their career is thrown away? They won't be prosecuted and I predict won't even if they lose their license it will be reinstated.
See the lawyer who issued fraudulent FISA warrants to spy on a sitting precedent who ONLY lost his license originally but now has it back.
Here is an idea with recent precedent. Is the ability for SCOTUS to deliberate and argue in private crucial to our democracy? The deliberation is in effect a government proceeding.
Isn't this interference in a government proceeding? Now I've been told that such an offense is the greatest threat to our democracy and those who do these kind of things are terrorists and insurrectionists deserving of being held without bail for over a year.
What's your thoughts on that angle professor? Or does the cat still got your tongue on anything J6?
The thoughts are that you're a treasonous loon.
Oh the hypocrisy. Explain how this "protest" doesn't disrupt a government proceeding?
Ah but you can't. You like unequal justice
Your analogy between a leak and a violent insurrection is a bad one, and you're employing it to defend a violent insurrection. There is no double standard, just you willing to condone violence to make our republic work like you want it to. Which is, indeed, treason.
Of course, you above said that all the Dem appointed Justices are communists, so you're coming from a place of madness already.
Your insurrection claim is made up.
Nobody is being charged with insurrection. Nobody is being charged with treason. They are being charged with the obstruction of a government function. Glorified trespassing with the obstruction add on to make jail time possible. Even if the police waived them in. Is it trespassing if they wave you in?
Regarding violence some are being charged with assault and vandalism and I'm all for that although they also have a right to a speedy trial which is being violated across the board.
Of course your consistently wrong as you are here. You know what communists do? They like to use the justice department unequally as a political weapon. Like you are doing.
Read it or just stay with short snarky takes that are always wrong.
https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2022/01/13/how-a-post-enron-corporate-reform-law-became-a-central-focus-of-jan-6-investigations/?slreturn=20220404082939
The convictions for seditious conspiracy are starting to pile up, clingers.
Every time I read comments at this blog I sense that my side's victory in the culture war was inevitable all along . . . it just hasn't been that much of a contest.
Still a lot of fun, though, stomping clingers' political and cultural aspirations into irrelevance for more than a half-century.
"Is the ability for SCOTUS to deliberate and argue in private crucial to our democracy? The deliberation is in effect a government proceeding"
You have to work hard to be this stupid. Should Biden's deliberations with his staff over the effectiveness of Kamala Harris be public? Should Biden administration's private discussions regarding Manchin be public? Should Biden administration's internal discussions about so called Build Back Better be public? Much fewer people would be willing to voice their out of the box thinking, if it would be made public close to the time it was made. Also, if Supreme Court deliberations were public, the justices would inevitably pander to the public.
You have to work hard to be so stupid to refute your own argument. Ha ha when you open up a debate ad hominem you always lose.
"Also, if Supreme Court deliberations were public, the justices would inevitably pander to the public."
So SCOTUS is being interfered with by being subject to intimidation due to the leak.
Thanks for making my point please play again.
Here is a summary of the "obstruction" law:
The obstruction of an official proceeding charge lodged against scores of rioters accused of breaching the Capitol was enacted as part of a corporate reform statute in the early 2000s.
The statute has traditionally been used to target white-collar crime and safeguard evidence used in federal agency investigations.
But after the attack on Jan. 6, federal prosecutors have used the statute to criminalize the mob's attempt to derail the election certification.
What say you Professor? Surprised you didn't mention this angle since its so recent and discussed quite a bit outside of Reason though. Could it be used to criminalize derailment of the SCOTUS decision?
Worse, they've cited an overbroad statute, put people in jain, and then mostly sat on their hands...letting the merely-accused rot in jail.
The communists on here don't like folks making their own decisions. Rescinding Roe v Wade doesn't make abortion illegal. It just returns that decision to the states. Read 10A. Abortion is not mentioned anywhere is the constitution.
It was a right invented out of thin air by the 1973 court. They could have just as easily declared that the baby has the right to life at conception. A stronger argument.
BUT communists you can amend the constitution to add it.
I hear abortion is so uber popular based on the "polls". An amendment should be easy right?
" The communists on here don't like folks making their own decisions. "
Says the bigoted, obsolete advocate for statist womb management.
Try to keep your gloves up, clingers, or this rout of a culture war is going to get even worse for you.
I don't really understand why liberals get so upset with school shootings. The shooters are just exercising their choices. If you don't want to spray a classroom full of bullets, don't, but don't try to impose YOUR morality on someone else.
The Supreme Court's decision in United States v. Kelly effectively decided that there's no such thing as a misappropriation of government resources, and DOJ has interpreted that as applying to section 641 "thing of value." So if the leaker can't be prosecuted, the Supreme Court can find the reason why in the nearest mirror.
And the Collins decision mentioned in the OP long predated Kelly.
It's Kelly v. U.S., and that's not remotely what SCOTUS said. SCOTUS said that the financial/property loss to the government, or gain to the perpetrator, must be the object of the fraudulent scheme rather than a mere incidental result. Second,