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"Should We Regulate Foreign Speech?"
Some thoughts for me responding to Rick Hasen's, in a Balkinization symposium on Rick's new book, "Cheap Speech: How Disinformation Poisons Our Politics—and How to Cure It"
The book is available here, and the symposium posts (from many people) are here. Here's my post, which is also available here:
Rick Hasen's book identifies a tremendously serious problem; and it offers only modest solutions. And rightly so, I think: As the book correctly points out, more aggressive restrictions (such as bans on supposedly "misleading" advocacy) will likely be cures that are worse than the disease, however serious the disease might be.
I therefore have little quarrel with many of Rick's suggestions. But I do want to talk briefly about the problem of foreign speech that may influence election campaigns, which Rick suggests should be even more restricted than it is now (see pp. 102-09).
Protecting American self-government from undue foreign influence is of course quite appealing, especially for people (like me) who have a mindset that's more nationalist than universalist. I don't view myself as a citizen of the world; I'm a citizen of a particular nation. If I'm stranded in Elbonia, I'm not going to call the UN for help; I'll call the American Embassy. It is my nation, not the world, that I expect to defend me against peril. In turn, I'd like to see my fellow citizens make political decisions without excessive interference by foreign countries, even friendly ones but especially adversarial ones (such as Russia). "God gave all men all Earth to love / But, since our hearts are small / Ordained for each one spot should prove / Beloved above all." Our spot, for us to govern; and I'm sure many citizens of other countries think the same of theirs.
At the same time, much important information relevant to American political debates comes from foreign citizens. Some are people living in the U.S. on temporary work or student visas. Many are in foreign countries; they could be ordinary citizens, political activists, scholars, or politicians. They may be able to convey important facts and ideas about the effects of American foreign policy; or about American actions bearing on world problems (such as climate change or telecommunications technology or artificial intelligence or food production); or about foreign problems that might call for American help.
They might offer some information about the foreign activities of American politicians or business leaders. They might be foreign religious figures who want to exhort their American followers to act consistently with their shared religions. They might be journalists for foreign newspapers who are writing about American politics for a world audience, including an American audience. And they might even be foreign government employees (such as academics, much as Rick and I are employees of an American government) or others who are actually or allegedly linked in some way to a foreign government.
The Court has of course recognized the right of American listeners to receive information from foreign sources; the very first case striking down an Act of Congress on First Amendment grounds, Lamont v. Postmaster General (1965), involved a law that barred the delivery of "communist propaganda" from foreign sources (which were understood as generally linked to foreign governments) unless the recipient affirmatively authorized its delivery. Such a law, the Court held, "is unconstitutional because it … [is] a limitation on the unfettered exercise of the addressee's First Amendment rights."
Of course, Rick is right (p. 106) that this isn't the end of the story; perhaps the analysis should be different for laws focused on election-related speech. And of course in Bluman v. FEC (2012), the Court summarily affirmed, without opinion, Judge Kavanaugh's decision for a three-judge court upholding a ban on foreign citizens (other than permanent residents) "contribut[ing] to national political parties and outside political groups" or "expressly advocating for and against the election of candidates in U.S. elections." (One might also note Meese v. Keene (1987), which upheld a requirement that expressive materials funded by foreign governments be labeled "political propaganda.")
But once one gets beyond the narrow zone of contributions or express advocacy with regard to candidates, to "tightening the foreign campaign spending ban" (p. 102), the matter becomes much more complicated, I think. (The Bluman court expressly noted that it did not decide on any broader restrictions, such as on "issue advocacy and speaking out on issues of public policy.")
And of course if one really wants to deal with foreign attempts to influence elections, one would indeed have go to much beyond "expressly advocating for and against the election of candidates." Sharp criticisms of a President or Senator who is running for reelection, after all, may well affect the election, even if they are "susceptible of [a] reasonable interpretation other than as an appeal to vote for or against a specific candidate." Indeed, extensive commentary on issues that are central to an election can affect the election as well, even if it doesn't mention a particular person, for instance because it "foment[s] American political unrest" (p. 49). And that's true even when the coverage doesn't involve advertising, but rather the free distribution of speech that will often have cost money (if only in the form of writers' salaries) to write or design or videorecord.
No wonder that Rick is at least suggesting (though perhaps not fully endorsing) Congress "proceed[ing] even more broadly and outlaw[ing] all the social media and Internet activity Russians engaged in to influence the 2016 and 2020 elections" (p. 104)—which would presumably extend equally to speech by Swedes or Britons or Israelis or Palestinians that may affect American elections. And while Rick warns that the Supreme Court "could well strike down a law barring foreign entities from running paid ads that stir up unrest on contentious issues such as racial justice, immigration, or gay rights" (p. 105), it seems that he views this as a defect in the Court's jurisprudence, perhaps one that a more enlightened (because less "libertarian") Court would correct.
Likewise, Rick has taken the view that it would be a crime for an American campaign to receive "opposition research" on a candidate from a foreign national, on the theory that it is a forbidden contribution of "anything of value" to a campaign. (Again, notice how this doesn't involve independent expenditures in the sense of buying advertisements for cash.)
So say that, in Summer 2024, when Donald Trump is running again for President, a top Kamala Harris staffer gets a message from a Slovene student at the Wharton School: "I've done extensive research on President Trump's involvement in his Miss Universe organization, and found that Miss Slovenia says that Donald Trump had sexually harassed her. Would you like to get this story?" The staffer says, "I'd love to," and indeed gets the information, which he then uses in the campaign (and which many American voters presumably find useful).
Under Rick's theory, it would be a crime for Harris to receive this, on the theory that this is valuable "opposition research." (It might be possible under this theory that it wouldn't be a crime if Harris paid for it, since then it wouldn't be a donation to the campaign, but that would be a very odd rule: We usually frown on paying for incriminating evidence, rather than thinking that paying for such evidence is what makes otherwise criminal conduct legal, plus what would the fair market value of such one-off incriminating evidence even be?) Moreover, if that's an illegal contribution to a campaign, then presumably the Slovene's publishing that information online might be treatable as an independent expenditure by a foreign citizen, and thus also constitutionally unprotected.
Rick doesn't elaborate in detail what he thinks the proper constitutional framework should be for such speech by foreign citizens or organizations (or governments) on matters that might bear, directly or indirectly, on American election campaigns. But I think it would be helpful for us to think about that question, if "the foreign campaign spending ban" is indeed to be tightened, and if a changed Supreme Court were to face a ban on foreign "issue advocacy and speaking out on issues of [American] public policy." And, again, that's important not just to define the rights of foreign citizens (including ones who live in America), but also to define the rights of Americans to hear a broad range of views, from all sources, about American political matters.
Now one possible answer that Rick seems to offer (p. 107) is that such speech should be protected if it's published by foreign "news media" but not by other foreign speakers. ("[D]ifficult as any dispute over an expanded general foreign campaign spending ban might be, any law specifically aimed at shutting down fake news sites run by foreign entities such as Russia's Peace Data site (described in the last chapter) promises to stir up a hornet's nest among the Court's conservatives because of the definition of who counts as the news media.") As I've noted, the Supreme Court has generally held that the Free Press Clause protects "press" in the sense of a technology (the printing press and its technological heirs, which is to say mass media communications) and not "press" in the sense of an industry. And while of course that doctrine might change, any such change would require difficult line-drawing about who is entitled to "free press" rights and who isn't.
Rick seems to endorse (p. 109) Sonja West's proposed framework, under which courts would identify the "press" by looking to "four factors": "(1) recognition by others as the press; (2) holding oneself out as the press; (3) training, education, or experience in journalism; and (4) regularity of publication and established audience." Presumably an editorial or an article in the Times of London sharply condemning an American political leader who is seeking reelection would thus be "press" and presumably not subject to "shutting down," whether on "fake news" grounds or campaign spending grounds; but some other online material wouldn't be "press."
Yet this seems like a poor basis for a definition that has constitutional significance. Element 1 would involve delegating decisions about who has constitutional rights to unspecified "others," who will often be self-interested or ideologically motivated. Element 2 would of course just lead advocacy groups to self-label as "news" or "media" or something along those lines. Element 3, if taken at face value, would strip protection from material in opinion magazines, such as The New Republic, National Review, and the like, since much of that speech comes from academics, think tank researchers, policy advocates, and others, who aren't trained as journalists (and who sometimes write only occasionally, thus lacking much "experience in journalism"). Element 4 would favor established media entities (however biased, deceptive, or foreign-government-influenced) over new upstarts.
Finally, Americans of course routinely comment on foreign politics, including on foreign elections. The U.S. government has long funded speech aimed at influencing citizens of foreign countries. American nongovernmental organizations often engage in such speech as well, on democracy, gay and transgender rights, religious freedom, civil liberties, and much more.
American newspapers, including ones with substantial overseas circulation, comment on foreign countries' policies, politics, and politicians. And of course American-based search engine companies and social media companies impose their content policies on political speech (as well as other speech) in foreign countries. Perhaps these don't involve much spending on express advocacy in support of or opposing a particular candidate (I'm not sure), but again it appears that Rick's suggestion would go beyond that narrow zone.
Now perhaps we should take the view that America and American individuals and organizations should get away with whatever we can along these lines in foreign countries, and at the same time restrict whatever speech we can from foreign countries that would try to influence American political debates. "The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must," like it or not, might be eternal truth; and even if we've tried to restrain that principle when it comes to military force, perhaps it makes sense for speech about politics. At the same time, it would be helpful to know if there is some generalizable principle available here, which we would be able to live with when it comes to others restricting Americans' rights to speak about foreign elections (including about the issues critical to foreign elections) as well to our restricting foreigners' rights.
In any event, these are just some thoughts on what might be worth considering when it comes to "tightening" existing constraints on foreigners' speech about American elections.
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I don't have a problem with foreign speech and would give it 1A protection provided it is above board and transparent. In particular is the speakers talking for themselves or for their government. Both are acceptable as long as it is made clear who is speaking.
That said 1A is sometimes considered broader than speech, such as money, and I would not give such a broad consideration for foreign speech.
Why does it matter that we identify the source? Anonymous speech is protected.
Isn't this effectively the same as requiring people working for foreign governments to register as foreign agents?
As a consumer of information, I'd like to know if a potential foreign adversary is attempting to influence me. Listening to their opinions while understanding the nature of the source places them in a useful context. When I read material from RT, I know it's the "Russian Times" and that it's funded by the Kremlin. When Russians read news from the Voice of America, they understand the source as well. Knowing the source of the information limits the value of using it as psychological warfare.
As an aside, I ditched Facebook the moment the Cambridge Analytica scandal broke. Remember that? Facebook customer data falling into the hands of Russian agents?
I hear you. But assessing the motivations of any source, foreign or domestic, could be a consideration. Maybe the "anonymous source" in the New York Times is just a political rival.
I think that your argument that we should know the source of information, taken to its logical limit, means that we should demand peoples real names and shun anonymous sources.
Typically we SHOULD shun anonymous sources. They've got a terrible track record.
idk. retaliation is a thing. maybe 1 in 100 anon sources are tainted (idk the real number) but that one is very important.
Hmmm. Philadelphiensis, Philo-Publius, Phocion and, of course, Publius (just to mention some of the P's) may beg to differ.
Arguments from anonymous sources should be seriously evaluated, but I really don't think anonymous accounts of events can be given much evidentiary value. Too easy for media outlets to just pick and chose among the available ones, and defend fabrications on the basis that they accurately related what they were told by somebody they won't identify.
To the extent "foreign" speech breaks through the MSM, D.C., and progressive tech bubble, I think its useful.
Consider the extreme alternative position (present day Russia). Alternate perspectives from foreigners on the Ukraine war might change minds.
The fundamental principal of first amendment jurisprudence (in my opinion) is free competition in the marketplace of ideas. If I see an oped in the paper authored by Russia, North Korea, I consider the source of the opinion in order to assign credibility, same as when I see one authored by a political candidate.
I think that the idea that we should suppress foreign speech rests on a false assumption that the mere presentation of a position makes it "undue influence." The counter example I like to use in Bloomberg: he spent billions promoting himself, his candidates, and he was wildly unsuccessful. A persuasive argument gains traction regardless of the source. An unpersuasive argument fails to gain traction no matter how much a candidate spends. If Russia wants an hour on Fox News* let em have it if they can pay for the time same as anyone else.
* A lot of people think Tucker Carlson is a shill for Russia already.
Indeed, I often find that foreign reporting on domestic issues is, while not quite from an American perspective, perhaps less biased, on account of "not having a dog in that fight".
At least it's differently biased, and that's valuable, especially when American media are disproportionately on one side of the political spectrum; Often important stories will only be covered as straight news in foreign outlets.
Well said. And particularly given how America wants to be in charge of the entire world, the least we can do is let everybody else have their say in how they feel about it.
My folks subscribed to Soviet Life for a year or two around that time, maybe a little before. I laugh at people who thought it was dangerous; everything in it reeked of set piece propaganda. The pictures, the language, all seemed so very artificial and phony. I was too young to know what the purpose was, if it was indeed propaganda, but I was old enough to recognize fake sincerity and grownups lying about something, whatever it was. Maybe it reminded me of grownups answering childish question with platitudes. A lot of my history textbooks had the same reek, which mostly convinced me to find books at the library on my own.
Always impressed how fast people throw out "Congress shall make no law" when talking about the 1st amendment. There's no "Congress shall make no law about US Citizens" or "Congress shall make no law except for some".
1st amendment is a prohibition to congress - any law limiting speech - just because they are limiting the speech of "ferreners" - should be thrown out as an unlawful act of Congress.
You mean like how fast the actual founders threw out "Congress shall make no law"?
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/alien-and-sedition-acts
Yes, an excellent example of what happens when government interprets the constitution in its favor and defines its own limits.
It's important to remember that the reason Congress was barred from doing various things was NOT because nobody thought they'd be tempted to.
Merits aside, the idea is manifestly impractical for purely technical reasons -- attribution. Today, there is not much masking of the IP address of posters, but if we had restrictions on foreign speech, we should expect IP masking and spoofing to surge.
Even in cases of sabotage and ransomware, we almost always fail to prove attribution, except by saying that classified intelligence methods say ...
I also spent a decade living abroad as and expat. I would bristle at any attempt to silence my opinions about American elections. But once again attribution. How could I post and opinion and have US law enforcement attribute it to an American citizen expat?
"Now perhaps we should take the view that America and American individuals and organizations should get away with whatever we can along these lines in foreign countries, and at the same time restrict whatever speech we can from foreign countries that would try to influence American political debates. 'The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must,' like it or not, might be eternal truth; and even if we’ve tried to restrain that principle when it comes to military force, perhaps it makes sense for speech about politics."
Just another bullet in Prof. Volokh's stance that he's pro free-speech.
Free speech for me but not for thee.
FFS....
Surely you could have narrowed down your cherry picking even further. Mighty sloppy of you.
But that’s simply the state of the law. It would be like saying abortion law is nothing more than “life for me but not for thee.” Not even the most conservative member of the Supreme Court is willing to take the view that fetuses have a constitutional right to life. So post-Roe discussion of abortion will be based on policy considerations, just like discussion of restrictions on speech by foreigners today, since after all foreigners don’t have a constitutional right to speech, or for that matter to life, either.
The discussion skirts an obvious issue: Foreigners don’t have 1A rights, as the Supreme Court re-affirmed not long ago. Any rights involved, and any standing to assert them, arise only from American listeners.
I don't think we should try and regulate foreign speech.
We tend to focus on the speaker as having 1A rights, but I'm not sure that's right. I think the benefit accrues to the listener, not the speaker - otherwise I could just make speeches to myself in my basement.
And I want to hear what furriners think, without any mediation by my government (or facebook, ...). I'm supposed to control my government, not the converse, and I can't do that properly when the government I'm supposed to control gets to decide what I do and do not hear.
Reminder that numerous foreign governments, foreign intelligence agencies, and foreign media outlets were cooperating with, contributing to, and disseminating the Trump-Russia hoax.
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia
"Britain’s spy agencies played a crucial role in alerting their counterparts in Washington to contacts between members of Donald Trump’s campaign team and Russian intelligence operatives, the Guardian has been told....Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.
The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.
Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors...
The issue of GCHQ’s role in the FBI’s ongoing investigation into possible cooperation between the Trump campaign and Moscow is highly sensitive. In March Trump tweeted that Barack Obama had illegally “wiretapped” him in Trump Tower...
..both US and UK intelligence sources acknowledge that GCHQ played an early, prominent role in kickstarting the FBI’s Trump-Russia investigation, which began in late July 2016.
One source called the British eavesdropping agency the “principal whistleblower”."
"It is understood that GCHQ was at no point carrying out a targeted operation against Trump or his team or proactively seeking information. The alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of Russian intelligence assets."
That's hilarious. Doesn't everybody know the 'Five Eyes" intelligence agencies have this reciprocal cooperation agreement going, to each do for the others the domestic spying their own laws prohibit them from doing? Of course, they don't officially admit it.
And, of course we know British Intelligence was up to their ears in it; Remember, Christopher Steele was a British spook.
FBI is independent of larger Justice Department and remember Trump’s appointee at Justice also signed the FISA warrant. Furthermore Comey and McCabe are fairly typical Bush Republicans and Obama nominated Comey as an olive branch to McConnell.
So the notion Obama wiretapped Trump is absurd…but Bush loyalists that Trump foolishly surrounded himself with were willing to give Comey the benefit of the doubt while believing the worst about Trump. Once again, I lost all hope for Trump when he appointed the Bush loyalist/worst CEO in America as SoS on Condi Rice’s recommendation…but Trump did learn from his mistakes and became a better president. And I will always be thankful for Trump surrendering to the Taliban and getting us out of that god forsaken hellhole.
It's absurd aside from the fact that it actually happened. My take is that it was probably happening to all the opposition candidates, and only came out about Trump on account of his unexpectedly winning.
Yeah, I'd say Trump took way too long to wake up to t he fact that the GOP establishment were not in any sense his allies, and were only dubiously the enemies of his enemy.
I've sometimes wondered if he'd been privately told that either he sucked it up and accepted their choices for staff, or they'd just bite the bullet and help the Democrats impeach him. He went on with establishment cabinet choices long after anybody would have been clued in.
The OP is needless blather. No satisfactory method will be found to let government censor foreign speech which affects elections. But foreign speech intended to affect elections will be a steadily-increasing problem. It will not be a trivial problem.
The answer, of course, is to turn the job of editing published foreign speech over to private parties, to judge by their own lights which would-be foreign contributions are meritorious, and which deleterious. Diversity and profusion among private publishers will prove a sufficient condition to weed out the worst offenders, and to publish the best would-be contributors. That will prove sufficient protection for the public life of the nation. We know that, because private editing prior to publication was for many decades the rule of publishing practice, prior to the internet, and we saw that it worked sufficiently well.
Alas, conditions needed to accomplish diversity and profusion among private publishers have been grievously undermined by Section 230, with its suspension of practical necessity for any pre-publication editing at all. Repeal Section 230, and solution of the foreign speech election problem will join a long list of other benefits—while keeping government censorship at bay.
"But foreign speech intended to affect elections will be a steadily-increasing problem."
Foreign speech intended to affect elections will be a steadily increasing phenomenon. It's only a problem for people who see speech they disagree with as a problem to be solved, rather than just an inevitable part of not having comprehensive censorship.
Brett, you are talking about putting the full resources of foreign nations at the disposal of American presidential contestants, via corrupt deals to deliver fake dirt on a contestant's opponent. It is astounding that after complaining endlessly about the, "Russia Hoax," you look right past that.
Even worse, you wave anti-censorship at me, in reply to a comment of mine which comprehensively opposed censorship. And that after repeatedly advocating actual government censorship yourself, to force online media to publish right-wing views.
Anyone looking for principle in your commentary can find it only by looking at grievance. That is the only theme you express consistently. Everything else mutates continuously, to serve maximal expression of grievance according to requirements of changing contexts.
"the full resources of foreign nations"
Dude, get a grip. Take 2016, and for the sake of argument pretend that they weren't playing both sides just to 'raise the temperature' and make sure whoever got elected would have trouble governing.
Russia has an economy the size of Italy. Their spending in our election was a drop in a monsoon compared to the spending by domestic sources, and it couldn't be otherwise because they didn't have the resources to dominate things.
And the stuff they were doing was laughable. Have you SEEN some of the FB content they paid for?
Nothing they could do short of sending an assassination team to the US to kill one of the candidates could have remotely as much significance as what domestic forces were doing. It's crazy obsessing over it. You'd be better off worrying about the NSA, or the fact that almost every media outlet is aligned with one of our parties.
Now, if the US were some pipsqueak country with a population of 20M, there might be a basis for concern.
"Even worse, you wave anti-censorship at me, in reply to a comment of mine which comprehensively opposed censorship."
No, you opposed government censorship, and advocated private censorship, which is categorically the opposite of "comprehensively".
Now, you did say, "Diversity and profusion among private publishers will prove a sufficient condition to weed out the worst offenders."
And, it WOULD prove a sufficient condition, if we had it. But needing it won't recreate what has been lost, and is fairly ruthlessly being suppressed. (See what happened to Gab and Parler, and what's going on with Trump's attempted platform right now.)
Media oligopoly is hard to get out of, when it's vertical, too, and any competitors find themselves abruptly cut off from IT services or financial services should the depart from the oligopoly's polices.
Those tried for disseminating "misinformation" will follow in the footsteps of defendants like Socrates and Galileo.
What would we do without the government to protect us from this scourge?
So the jewish controlled 'murikan media does not have to compete with critical opinions of other countries who find the chosen attitudes of US politics to be frightening? Sounds like a jewish attack on the First Amendment to protect Israel....so obvious.