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Court Removes No-Weapons Probation Condition for Woman Convicted of Jan. 6 Capitol Trespass
From yesterday's decision by Judge Trevor McFadden (D.D.C.) in U.S. v. Cudd:
Jenny Cudd moves to alter the Court's judgment against her denying her the right to possess a firearm while on supervision. A restriction on the right to possess a firearm is a discretionary condition of probation, not a mandatory one. See 18 U.S.C. § 3563(b). A discretionary condition can only be imposed by the Court "to the extent that such conditions are reasonably related to the factors set forth in section 3553(a)(1) and (a)(2) and to the extent that such conditions involve only such deprivations of liberty or property as are reasonably necessary for the purposes indicated in section 3553(a)(2)."
Cudd contends that because she has a nonviolent misdemeanor conviction, the firearms restriction is not reasonably related to her conviction. More, Cudd maintains she has been threatened for her role in the Capitol on January 6 and needs a weapon to defend herself.
The Government opposes the motion. It argues this condition of supervision is reasonably related to "the need for the sentence imposed to reflect the seriousness of the offense, to promote respect for the law, and to provide just punishment for the office, and the need for the sentence imposed to afford adequate deterrence to criminal conduct." The Government describes Cudd as courting violence. It highlights that she wore a bulletproof sweatshirt to the Capitol, knew law enforcement was pepper spraying rioters, and yet continued into the building.
The Government also points to several statements Cudd made, including: "[W]hen Pence betrayed us is when we decided to storm the Capitol"; "I'm proud of everything that I was part of today"; and "Yes, I would absolutely do it again." The Government argues these statements, together with Cudd's bulletproof sweatshirt, are indicative of violence. And it claims that if Cudd does possess a firearm, she could be a danger to probation officers overseeing her on supervision.
But the Government presented no evidence that Cudd incited anyone to violence. Nor did it present evidence that she participated in violence. She has no prior criminal history. And Cudd's bullet proof sweatshirt is consistent with her fear of being attacked at the rally preceding her entry into the Capitol. This says nothing about her danger to others.
Cudd credibly claims that she has been threatened and needs protection. At sentencing, the Court and the Government acknowledged the harassment she has faced. And "the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the Second Amendment right." D.C. v. Heller (2008). The Court will not limit that right for a nonviolent misdemeanant who credibly fears for her safety….
Cuddy had been convicted of 18 U.S. Code § 1752(a)(1), "knowingly enter[ing] or remain[ing] in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority to do so," and sentenced to a $5000 fine and two months' probation.
Congratulations to Marina Medvin, Cuddy's lawyer, on her victory on this point.
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Sure sounds like she shouldn't be allowed to have a gun.
why?
Because she is an INSURRECTIONIST, unlike the mostly peaceful Burn Loot Murder squaddies.
Or, for a more direct but similar answer, because captcrisis simply doesn't want anyone different to have any rights. It doesn't much matter which rights; he'd do away with all of them if he had his druthers.
Because Captcrisis doesn't think anyone should have guns.
But gun ownership is a civil right, and while we may decide that violent felons lose some of their civil rights, certainly a non-violent misdemeanor should not be sufficient for any infringement of our civil rights.
"certainly a non-violent misdemeanor should not be sufficient for any infringement of our civil rights."
So, in your formulation, jails are right out for misdemeanants?
She can serve her time, but that doesn't lose her her civil rights. Obviously you can still vote while in the county jail. No pp parole officer is going to check your house for guns when you get out
Because she stormed a building in military gear. She didn’t have a gun (herself) but knew she was in a battle zone. She wants war.
She walked into the building wearing a hoodie.
By her own admission she did a lot more than walk into a building. C’mon Brett.
None of the supposed "insurrectionists" even brought a gun. They brought cameras and fanny packs.
Funny way to violently overthrow a government.
They brought cameras and fanny packs . . . and sticks and tie wraps and pepper spray.
You're not keeping track. The "zip tie" guy picked them up off a desk in the Capitol where police had left them, he didn't bring them.
The Capitol riot's 'zip-tie guy' appeared to take the plastic handcuffs from Capitol police, prosecutors say
I wonder how much else you think happened that day is from claims that were publicly leveled then quietly dropped?
Wait a minute. You mean the guy who brought a taser???
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20527922-munchelcadcopn032621
OK, I didn't bring a gun, but I picked one up where I found it and attacked!!
Umm... Did he attack with the "zip ties"? Did he actually use them on anyone?
Let's ask you a different question captcrisis, since you're so focused on firearms.
Let's say you enter a school. You see a loaded handgun just lying on a desk, in plain view, for anyone to grab it. No one is nearby except for a bunch of elementary school students. Do you pick up the handgun? Or do you just leave it there for a kid to pick up?
Who did she attck?
"None of the supposed "insurrectionists" even brought a gun."
Ah, the old "he's not with us" argument. So there were unarmed insurrecionists there, and a bunch of armed non-insurrectionists, the way you imagine it.
Can you point to a single case where someone was charged with bringing a gun to the capitol on Jan 6th?
I haven't seen any.
Into the actual building or onto the grounds? Onto the grounds there was at least one… Mr. Guy Refitt, found guilty in early March.
She wore "protective" military gear, while unarmed herself. So again, why should she not be allowed to own a gun?
Cap. She needs a weapon to defend herself from Democrats, the party of the criminal and of the lawyer.
She was a pro-democracy protester. She is being witch hunted by partisan, Democrat hacks.
"She was a pro-democracy protester."
pro-democracy protesters don't protest elections where the guy who got the most votes is then declared the winner.
So, just that we're clear - in your mind the following people are not "pro-democracy"?
Jim McGovern (D-Mass.) objected to Alabama's votes.
Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) objected to Florida's votes.
Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) objected to Georgia's votes.
Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) objected to North Carolina's votes.
Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) objected to the votes from North Carolina in addition to votes from South Carolina and Wisconsin. She also stood up and objected citing "massive voter suppression" after Mississippi's votes were announced.
Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) brought up allegations of Russian interference in the election and malfunctioning voting machines when she objected following the announcement of Michigan's votes.
Maxine Waters (D-Calif)
Sounds reasonable IAW the law.
This shows the mandatory and discretionary conditions of probation.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3563
It should be noted that the court is exercising discretion here and a number of Republicans have spoken out about court discretion recently. I think they would say that the courts should impose maximum plenty's and let the accused rot in jail.
Good gotcha. Along the lines of "You support the death penalty, I guess we should execute speeders"
Child porn felony and misdemeanor trespass are not the same. As you well know. But good gotcha.
Yesterday or the day before a poster here who is of the right - arguing with me about wanting to avoid executing the innocent - basically said that the innocent on death row were bad people anyway so it’s fine to execute them.
And he ended up saying we should execute anyone with an iq below 85 from a single mother home.
The wide scale conservative media and several prominent politicians have sunk to calling people like Mitt Romney a pedo or a groomer.
He’s not really that far off.
So, yeah, he’s not that far off.
"poster here who is of the right"
Who?
I can’t find it. Too many comments to dig through and my search ability sucks. It happened, I don’t care enough about this shit to make stuff up.
So you agree with MTG that Romney is pro-pedophile?
That sounds like Niiskinen.
To be fair to Bob, that guy is overtly white supremacist, which is of the right, but representative of the right itself.
OTOH, Bob himself regularly calls judges exercising discretion 'another example of the Democrats being soft on crime' so he doesn't have a leg to stand on here.
*Not* representative of the right?
Yes.
Wait, you have declared that white supremacy is "of the right"? Always? No Leftists can be white supremacists?
Wow! No wonder you always feel so proud of yourself - you simply define everything you don't like as belonging to "them"!
Well, the left ARE more into white subordination than supremacy. At least on the surface, anyway.
I think it's pretty clear from my comment that I left out the 'not.' It doesn't parse otherwise.
Jmaie picked up on that.
Ok. Ok I'm glad you made that clear.
Because the left certainly has had it's share of white supremacists, for example Orval Faunus was not only a democrat, but way on the pink side of New Dealers. Think the Henry Wallace camp, not the Harry Truman type.
Who cares about the 1950s?
Pining for the 1950s is all right-wingers care about.
Except when they are wishing for a return to the 1850s.
Carry on, clingers. But only so far as your betters permit. Getting stomped in a culture war has consequences. Glorious consequences.
I didn't misunderstand. You left out a "not" where? Did you mean to say
? I don't think you did, and it would have been stupid of you to say that anyway.
You were very clearly trying to claim that white supremacy was a right-wing trait, even your were 'kind' enough to grant that not all right-wingers were white supremacists.
"To be fair to Bob, that guy is overtly white supremacist, which is of the right, but *not* representative of the right itself."
White supremacy is a right-wing trait, you bigoted, worthless, obsolete loser.
So, yes, you aare saying that white supremacism is something that makes exists only in right-wingers. "Of the right", as you put it. Just like I said in my original response.
So you are lying your bigoted and prejudiced ass off again.
"So you agree with MTG that Romney is pro-pedophile?"
Well, he did oppose KBJ when up for a lower court and supports her for SCOTUS after learning of her leniency towards pedos.
Seems like a fair assumption, given that nothing else has really changed since he voted no to her.
"Child porn felony and misdemeanor trespass are not the same. As you well know. But good gotcha."
I see no reason to assume he knows the difference. I believe in providing the identical benefit of the doubt provided to others by him.
bullet proof sweatshirt?
Also seems she could have waited 2 months for the supervision to be over.
A right delayed is a right denied.
"bullet proof sweatshirt?"
There are sweatshirts/hoodies lightly lined with kevlar that are described as "bullet proof".
Of course they aren't, just a little bullet resistant.
They're a bit more knife resistant than bullet resistant, I believe. Better than nothing, I suppose.
Not if you really think its bullet proof and act accordingly. Then its worse than nothing.
Better than nothing, I suppose when you're storming the Capital.
FTFY.
Capitol
FTFY.
You're right.
Said she was getting threats. Were they going to wait two months?
"Also seems she could have waited 2 months for the supervision to be over."
It's only a Constitutional right. She can wait to use it for a while.
Seems like a reasonable ruling.
She is a big Star Wars fan, and she named her son after her favorite character. His name is Chewbacca Cudd.
And what did the Kavanaugh tresspassers get?
Didn't the guy who took an axe to Sen. Hoeven's door get it returned to him?
I keep forgetting the (D)ifference.
Protestors who entered legally and then are removed for being disruptive are not treated as trespassers.
As to your other example, participating in Jan 06 is not the same as $1,000 vandalism when no one was around.
The congressional offices are not open to the public. They initially entered legally and then did illegal things. If you're trying to draw some it was OK then but exact same thing now stop.
The J6 protestors are being treated way different , then Burn Loot, Murder, Kavanaugh and pink hats.
They initially entered legally and then did illegal things
You need to generalize that much to make these things comparable. i.e. to the point of meaninglessness.
Jan 06 was not civil disobedience; you make a fool of yourself trying to pretend these are the same thing.
Yet we just had a capitol protester who was aquitted because he believed he entered legally.
So now we know we have at least N% of the capital protesters that broke no law, and mere presence in the Capitol that day is no evidence of criminality.
Do you believe Ms. Cudd thought she entered legally?
Even when they break down doors and injure Capitol Police while being 'disruptive'? Or when the escalating violence and threats got so bad that the entire Capitol was closed off (and the constitutionally required political process of the Senate prevented)? The same people that broke into the Hart building?
The same people that tried to break down the Supreme Court's doors to prevent the actual transfer of power?
No, it is quite clear that they were not "treated as trespassers" because the would-be prosecutors decided to treat them softly. Not because the law is actually different.
You have describe crimes. Crimes that are different from what the OP was talking about.
Are you saying no one got in trouble for injuring a Capitol Police officer?
Oh, there were arrests. Hundreds of arrests. And then releases, without charges, even for people that injured officers or vandalized property.
Not even attempts to charge someone with misdemeanor trespassing, much less "seditious conspiracy" even though they met the definition of that just as well as the J6 rioters.
without charges
How do you know this?
Thanks to reporting by places like Real Clear Politics, you can read summary of their research. Or you can go to the court case tracking system. Or year can read press releases from the activist groups like Women's March or DC Action Lab, bragging about how hundreds of their people were released without charges.
Of course, you need to first go looking for evidence, something you seem chronically incapable of - how many blacks are in the Army, Sarcastr0?
To help you in the future: You can use these things called "internet search engines", like Bing or Google, to find information on the internet. I suggest you try it sometime!
Hundreds of the Kavanaugh protesters were arrested. I'm not sure what the charges were.
Calling clothing of that style "bulletproof" is really stretching the truth. If you really want to test it by putting on that hoodie and taking a pistol round in the chest because you are thinking it will offer any kind of meaningful protection, please don't do that....
I doubt the manufacturer calls it bullet proof. By the time you've got enough Kevlar between you and a bullet to even get near that, you're not talking anything like normal clothing, it's clearly body armor.
But you can get reasonably normal clothing that will turn a stab wound into a bad bruise, and that's probably what she was wearing.
It goes to state of mind. Obviously she anticipated violence that day
Well, yeah. That's why I wasn't there: I really expected Antifa to show up and get violent, and these days I don't heal as fast as I used to. Never occurred to me that anyone on the right was going to riot, that came as a surprise to a lot of people.
Just because you anticipate violence doesn't mean you anticipate being the aggressor.
Oh really?? Let’s turn the mic back over to Ms. Cudd:
“ Now I don’t know what y’all think about a revolution, but I’m all for it . . . . Nobody actually wants war, nobody wants bloodshed, but the government works for us and, unfortunately, it appears that they have forgotten that, quite a lot. So if a revolution is what it takes then so be it. I don’t know if that is going to kick off tomorrow or not. We shall see what the powers that be choose to do with their power, and we shall see what it is that happens in Congress tomorrow at our United States Capitol. So either way I think that either our side or the other side is going to start a revolution.”
I knew Brett was gonna walk right into this one as soon as I saw this post TBH. You’re so knee jerk my man! Try questioning your priors a little!
I wasn't even aware such clothing existed, but now that I do, it strikes me as a prudent fashion choice for anyone planning to be somewhere there are crowds.
So true. I always throw on my Kevlar before taking the kids out to a ballgame.
Oh, so you have *those* sorts of parents in attendance.
Seriously though, a cursory glance at the local morning news tells me the fact I haven't been downtown or to any large city, for that matter in over 3 years is a sensible one.
Stuck to the can’t-keep-up backwaters — the parts that might as well be in Tennessee, Alabama, Wyoming, West Virginia, or Mississippi — and leave the modern, educated, successful, advanced communities to your betters.
Enjoy spending the rest of your life hoping the Dollar General doesn’t close.
Why would I go to any store when I can have anything I want delivered right to my door? My time is important, I'm not going to waste it stuck in traffic.
Besides, Wyoming is exactly where we plan to retire to. If I can see a neighbor, they're too close. My wife and I both are pretty solitary people, guess it comes from us both growing up only children.
Indeed, I've been thinking of picking some up; Like I said, I don't heal so fast these days.
Besides, with the kevlar socks it's not so urgent to trim your toe nails. 😉
It might be expected that Judge Trevor McFadden (Trump-nominated, Wheaton grad, Federalist Societeer) would be sympathetic toward a delusional, belligerent insurrectionist . . . but Judge McFadden who has been remarkably lenient with respect to this particular defendant at least thrice.
It appears this clinger judge is grooming Jenny Cudd.
Can anyone establish where Judge McFadden was while Jenny Cudd was in Mexico? Or Ted Cruz? Maybe they were tag-teaming her.
Clingers excoriate one criminal defense lawyer (Ketanji Brown Jackson) while lauding another (Marina Medvin).
I shall assume one is Black and the other is not.
I shall expect to be correct.
Carry on, clingers.
You’re so fucking broken. Because I’m sure that if all of the particulars of the Jackson situation were the same except that she was white, she’d have sailed through, right?
It’s not her race, it’s her politics and our broken political system. Hateful people like you are the reason it’s broken. So if you want to blame someone partially responsible for the Jackson confirmation mess, you can find them with a mirror.
This white, male blog is precisely the right forum for a conservative trying to dodge right-wing racism.
Please try to explain why this blog is so odds-defyingly male and so remarkably white.
If you have the courage, that is.
Courage? WTF?
My God the bravery you show posting the same hateful bullshit on here day after day, year after year.
I’ve got no responsibility for this blog and don’t (can’t) explain anything, except to point out that the political balance on here is pretty decent, and a helluva lot better than the main reason board. If you want to threaten conservative assholes with replacement, the main board is a target rich environment.
But no, you stay here because you’ve got a personal grievance against Professor V.
"the political balance on here is pretty decent"
As conservative -- make that movement conservative, Ted Cruz- and John Eastman-style -- as the roster of Conspirators is white and as it is male. Just the type of balance you prefer, I gather.
In general, I respond in kind here. I was led to understand that conservatives respect and like counterpunchers. No free swings, clingers.
He's just upset in advance about the coming November elections.
I welcome America’s future.
Of course, that’s easy to say when you are on the wrong side of history and the losing side of the American culture war.
Carry on, clingers. We’ll let you know how far, though.
Are we talking about contributors, followers, both?
I would ask that you define the what odds define the blog is 'defyingly' male and what makes it remarkably white?
In a general sense, men outnumber women 2 to 1 in the law profession. (ABA Profile of the Legal Profession https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/news/2021/0721/polp.pdf) If the numbers are even that close here, I would not blame anyone that identifies as female for not wanting to wander anywhere near a potentially male saturated zone. I view this as along the line of an old saying: "I have to be near you #$%^& all day at work, why would I want to spend my free time with you?
In addition 85% of all lawyers in the US are male. (see link above). I am uncertain as to any racial makeup or numbers of folks around here that are or are not white. I assume the same is true amongst the majority of users of the Conspiracy. I can recall no survey of membership that has occurred in the past few places the blog has called home. Nor can I recall any rule that states users must include data regarding their racial makeup. If you are privy to this information from a source outside of the court of pubic opinion (or your opinion) I'd gladly like you to share it. Perhaps then we could make more qualified guesses at people's personal preferences for how they spend their free time?
Heck, we might even be able to nail down how many folks from which political persuasions are here to comment and discuss as opposed to those who only appear to comment in disgust.
(Long post from me with no comedic comment. I apologize. I am currently stuck for many hours at a hospital with nothing to do. I refuse to watch any television and the only reading material is a folder of hospital information, or a periodical published by the hospital containing lots of images of shiny happy people doing things while they discuss different health maladies.)
Error should read:
"In addition 85% of all lawyers in the US are..." white.
Sorry bout that.
Artie, Artie, Artie. Stop your woke talk. Start acting woke. You are taking the spot of a diverse. You may think you earned it. However, you only got your education and your job because you were a lap ahead in the race from your white privilege. You need to resign, and to interview your diverse replacement. Until you do, you need to STFU.
"Clingers"
Drink.
What should readers do each time this white, male blog publishes a vile racial slur (with or without plausible deniability)?
Read the decision? 🙂
That would be Justice Amy Coney Barrett's suggestion, I gather.
She can't stand claims that Justices is political, and speaks frequently and foolishly about that point, but I doubt we will hear much complaint from her about the use of vile racial slurs. Christians are the only persecuted minority she seems to care about.
I mean, the fact that she didn’t actually do anything violent or even carry a weapon is indicative of no violence.
Of course, the government couldn’t prove that she was likely to be violent or they would have charged her with more than trespass.
The political left would be howling if a court prohibited a homosexual male from ejaculating into another man's colon.
If the ejaculation contained nerve gas, and the other male was the Vice President, then yes.
I’m sure you can write some interesting Turner Diaries porn about that.
Did anybody there HAVE nerve gas? And has Pence actually physically threatened?
"Bulletproof Sweatshirt"???? Dammit, and all these years I've been wearing uncomfortable heavy body armor that's only "Bullet Resistant"...
Seriously, what's next an Insurrectionist charged for possession of a "Transmogrifier"???? Marvin the Martian's "Illudium Q-36 explosive space modulator"???
I saw lots of "Bulletproof" equipment used on 1-6, mostly by the Rent-a-Cops "guarding" the Capitol, unfortunately Ashli Babbitt didn't have hers.
Ashli Babbitt?
The criminal? Shot while part of a violent gang, engaging in crime and defying lawful commands of law enforcement?
Boy, these right-wingers aren't the law-and-order stalwarts they once were.
They're still as bigoted as ever, though.
It's Friday, so here's a double shot of Sugar Miami Little Steven.
Hey "Reverend", quit buying that "Made in Mumbai" Namenda, I think your last functioning Synapse went all "Brave Ukranian Resistance" (AKA running off to Poland)
Because Ashli Babbitt was only armed with her "Wits" (I know, you're unarmed) it's like if that Cop in Minn-a-Soda (I know, full of Clingers) had just shot Floyd George, He'd still be a free man (the Cop, not poor Woman-Beater Floyd)
jeez, even John Lewis didn't get it as bad as Ashli.
The shirt has reactive armor and it does prevent the bullet from entering the wearer's body. However be sure to check the "side effects" section of the label before donning.
I think it’s real classy how the Conspirators “walk the walk” by exercising their First Amendment rights to not offer a single, even grudging, congratulations to Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson. You’re an inspiration to us all, VC.
They're just falling in line with the Republican senators who turned their backs on Justice-confirmed Jackson and walked away rather than witness (let alone offer) congratulations.
It appears losing the culture war to their betters has made our vestigial, bigoted clingers cranky and discourteous.
You need to pay closer attention. I congratulated Justice Jackson's Vagina yesterday.
How are those civility standards -- the ones you claim to be enforcing when censoring liberals and libertarians at your blog -- working out for you, Prof. Volokh?
Asking for Justice Jackson's Vagina.
Carry on, obsolete, bitter clingers.
You are a vile racist and misogynist. Unfortunately this blog attracts many such. And you are now muted.
We have passed the point at which the concentration of racists, misogynists, xenophobes, and gay-bashers among Conspiracy fans reflects directly on the Conspirators. Their collection of bigoted conservative commenters has been carefully and calculatedly cultivated. As has the concentration of Volokh posts authored by white males.
"You need to pay closer attention. I congratulated Justice Jackson's Vagina yesterday."
I'm sure it'll thank you for that, someday. But the rest of her might remember the rest of your presentation.
Biden nominated her due to her sexual organs and skin color. He already denigrated her far more than anybody else could.
Wait a minute! I’ve been assured J6 was all just tourists snapping pictures! But Here’s her own description of what happened that day:
“ So we get to the Capitol and some of the patriots had already broken down all of the barricades, and they had literally ripped out the fence . . . Pushing and pushing and pushing. And we got the police to back off. So we get up there and the scaffolding that they had put up for the inauguration, there were people that were starting to climb it. We had to scale a wall to get there. There were people that were starting to climb the scaffolding. And we just pushed and pushed and pushed and pushed and yelled ‘go’ and yelled ‘charge’ and on and on and on. We just pushed and pushed and pushed, okay? And we got in. We got up the top of the Capitol. There was a door that was open. We went through the door. And we were inside“
Source:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.227066/gov.uscourts.dcd.227066.90.0.pdf
OMG, that's practically Nazi Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Frank "The People are Revolting??? have you seen who they're revolting against? (Jerry "The Nad" Nadler's my favorite, Fat Eff-word, he'd have to lose a hundred pounds to get to Chris Christy territory.) Even more Revolting!"
"OMG, that's practically Nazi Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!! "
No, they burned down their legislative building, they didn't just vandalize it.
Brett Bellmore: “She just put on a hoodie and walked into a building”
About the same level of mania and violence seen at a Superbowl celebration in any US city.
Minimize if you must, it doesn’t sound like tourists snapping pictures to me.
Still more peaceful than "police brutality" riots throughout 2020.
Would you get the same outcome if she'd busted her way into a courtroom instead of into the legislative building?
Do we frequently restrict Conmstitutional rights based on pure hypotheticals?
I have mentioned this before. The nation needs a peaceable assembly law. The nation cannot afford to let its politics—the very activity the Constitution posits to govern the public life of the nation—become a series of contests decided by armed intimidation.
Make it a felony to bring a firearm to a political event. First offense, loss of gun possession rights for 2 years. Second offense, lifetime loss of gun possession rights.
Most Americans, including gun owners, do not want to see politics turn violent. A peaceable assembly law would all-but-completely deter those.
To control the small minority who not only want violent politics, but intend to provoke it, a peaceable assembly law is a safer and more humane way to proceed against them than armed confrontation would be.
There should be no question of the constitutionality of such a law. Peaceable assembly is as constitutionally protected as are gun rights. There is no meaningful infringement of gun rights if gun bearers are barred from doing something the Constitution already denies in principle. Bringing a gun to a political assembly is not peaceable.
"Most Americans, including gun owners, do not want to see politics turn violent. A peaceable assembly law would all-but-completely deter those. "
You don't remember "Dr." Ed very clearly, do you?
Carrying a weapon does not turn a peaceable assembly into a violent one. Using a weapon does. We don't prophylactically take constitutional rights away from people because they MIGHT misuse them.
And I'm curious why you think a law saying "Don't bring guns here!" would have any effect on somebody who wants to bring a gun here to shoot people?
tkamenick — Openly carrying weapons turns a peaceable political assembly into something else. If militia guys announce they plan to, "provide security," and arrive in tactical gear, carrying rifles, then lots of folks who would have attended will not do it. That is armed intimidation.
The 1A protects a right to peaceable assembly. It makes sense to protect that right with appropriate laws. A law to withdraw 2A rights for violating others' 1A right is appropriately tailored, and minimally burdensome. No armed conduct that ought to be allowed will be burdened, except as punishment for breaking the law.
And if the person committing violence wears a mask? So they cannot be identified? What then?
Because those laws work so well in gun free zones like schools, right? And no I'm not advocating for guns in schools. Only pointing out that you live in some kind of imaginary world that a law fixes all the problems.
A law like this would work, until the ones who don't care (ends justify the means and all) decide they're going to do it anyway and kill as many people as they can. Just like in schools.
You are however right that politics shouldn't result in violence. Sadly history shows us the exact opposite is what happens.
"Make it a felony to bring a firearm to a political event. First offense, loss of gun possession rights for 2 years. Second offense, lifetime loss of gun possession rights."
...or just ban masks, given that those alone basically moot all of the other laws you could propose.
EV for some reason you’ve added a y to the end of this lady’s name at the end of your post